I was doing 385 for 3x3. Really clean too. I got injured on 295. I was just haphazardly going about my warm up sets. I learned from that and now I even take 45lbs seriously.
I just did this to myself 2 days ago. Not because I don’t know better but because, like you said, I got sloppy on my warm up deadlifts. Now I’m dealing with horrible back pain that’s setting me back. So not worth trying to rush! Great advice, as always!
How about touch and go deadlifts? Seems like a really good way to injure yourself considering most people lose tightness and lose form doing touch and go as opposed to putting the weight back down and resetting yourself.
2:15: lowering the hips causes the bar to move forward from the midfoot. easiest way to get hurt. 5:21: pulls the quads out of the movement/eliminating the quads from the movement, causing less muscle recruitment (only hamstrings and lowerback)
Hey @StartlingStrength i know this is a common mistakes video, but it would have helped immensely to show the correct way right after showing the mistake Kind Regards and Thanks a lot for your efforts & knowledge!
Very informative, though a demonstration of proper form at the end would be helpful (and yes, I do have the blue SS book). You can see the upward part done correctly at 7:55.
Thanks so much for this! I’ve been thinking about how to avoid injuries cause I’ve been getting close to 400 club and here this vid is like magic! Love this stuff!
3 and 4 are definitely my issues. Deadlifts are taxing for me, and so I get distracted on how tired I am, which then distracts from doing the correct technique/set-up.
You can watch hundreds of videos on how to deadlift and how to avoid mistakes. You still won't know how to deadlift. The way to learn is to learn to engage your glutes and your hamstrings. Without that every single rep is a hit or miss. I've watched literally hundreds of deadlift videos. Only after I focused on doing the movement with my hamstrings and glutes it all came together. Most people need to learn to raise their torso using hamstrings/butt only. Some people already do that naturally so deadlifting is easier to learn. Videos focus on all kinds of details but barely mention the importance of glute/ham firing. Bracing, sit back, head up/down/neutral, stance, grip, butt trajectory, "keep it tight", push instead of pull - all kinds of shit that come naturally IF you learn to engage the hams/glutes. Best advice - start with an extremely low weight and think one thing: "Hamstrings!". You can do that without any weight too. Bend over, raise your butt so you feel the hamstrings stretched. Then explode up WITHOUT letting the hamstrings get loose. Done. That is called "Romanian Deadlift" and it will teach you more than 100 videos. But you need to do that over and over so your body learns to fire the hamstrings. Good luck.
There is no way to deadly WITHOUT engaging the gluten or hams, there is no such thing, and if you can think of all the bullshit you describe WHILE pulling on the bar, the bar is NOT heavy enough, you can perhaps think and do all these silly things with the warm up sets or lighter sets, but once you are over 90-95-100 percent of your weight you cannot do but pull and keep your form as much as you can, and I promise you EVERYTHING is "engaged" with those sets. Do you know anyone who can DL 500-600 pounds with loose glutes, or hamstrings?? If you can lift those weights EVERYTHING is engaged. Period.
@@vepz13 You are still missing the point, the point is NOT those people who can already delight 500, I am talking about the fact that WHATEVER the weight is your 90% ; then you will have to engage all muscles. No matter if you are novice intermediate or "advanced" One major issue here is that a lot of novices just don't LIKE to add weight because phgchologically they are not ready for it, even if they can do it, the effort needed lacks willingness. Let's say, I can squat 405 and have done sets twice last week, that doesn't matter, even though I know I can do it, my brain still wants to pussy out of it EVERY TIME I see the bar loaded right before I FORCE myself to get under it, take it off the hooks and walk a step back, the whole time my body and brain are AGAINST it, it is huge efforts and mentally challenging, every single time. Novices don't yet knowTHAT. So "trainers" can distract them with "you need to engage your gluten and hams" instead of telling them, "if you lifted 395 last week for sets of three, you should be able to lift 405 this week, so get it done, the technique is the same, get under that bar, it's gonna be hard just like 395 were hard last week" And I bet you there will be no talk of ANY muscle being asleep or slacked, the whole concentration is on getting enough COURAGE to do what you as a trainer KNOW he can do. Anything before that in weight, is better to concentrate on technique, and adding a bit of weight every time. Telling them it is not the same, to warm up than to stretch; basic shit like that they don't yet know, if you're dealing with novices.
RE: Problem 3. Are there any cues/advice to help a lifter having trouble with letting the hamstrings tilt the pelvis off of the floor causing a rounded lumbar? I get the active hip concept, but I either tend to lose extension when the hammies win the war over the pelvis or lose some of the quads and end up doing a SLDL. Thanks, Nic
Nic the weight is too heavy. If you still do it even with low weight then it's not necessarily a problem. Kirill sarichev and konstantin konstantinovs, World class lifters lift like that:first they straighten the legs then the back due to their body shape. But you mentioned rounding of the lower back AND a sldl similar scenario, so it all points out to weak lower back therefore at the moment you picked a weight too heavy.
It happens intermittently during both light and heavy pulls. I have previously grooved tucking my ass (proximal ham contraction) during the pull off the floor and am having trouble getting out that habit. I am now trying to "push the anus (sorry) away from the knees and mid-foot". Also, I am incorporating SGDL for the low back either way, but my heaviest pull a week ago was done with a flat back and now I'm having trouble again. thanks
Drop some weight and do a linear progression just for the deadlift focusing on being consistent with correct technique and film your sets to evaluate later. Check out Starting Strenght 5-step deadlift setup. Also, Rippetoe has another interesting que for setting the lowback: "Drop your balls down in between your legs."
Can you explain why say deadlifts are done multiple times a week surely ur lower back couldn't recover in time? Sore and weak how does this help anything?
deepsquat600 that's only because of his weight and he uses a suit. Notice when eddie pulls, the bar doesn't move up until his hips shoot up to "proper position"
Watch Austin Baraki's deadlift video. He shows Hall, Shaw, Hafthor squatting all the way down before pulling the bar off the floor, with the exception that the moment the barbell raises, their hips are already up in proper form. A sufficiently heavy weight will demand correct form.
While arguably safer, it is also a somewhat different movement than the classic deadlifts. It's closer to the squat in that the weight is centered with the body instead of slightly to the front.
Cupping your hands like this is good basic presentation form. I present a lot at work and learning good hand gestures is important. You don't want your arms just hanging down and you damn sure don't cross your arms. Putting your hands in your pockets can work sometimes but it's temporary in that if you do it for more than a minute you look weird. I believe it's called pocket pool.
I saw the title of the video, and thought it was going to be Andy Bolton...so I immediately got pumped...then I saw it was another Andy, and then lost my aforementioned pump.
I was doing 385 for 3x3. Really clean too. I got injured on 295. I was just haphazardly going about my warm up sets. I learned from that and now I even take 45lbs seriously.
1:51 #1 Hips Dropping Too Low
4:24 #2 Shooting Hips Up Too Early
5:50 #3 Failure To Set The Back Into Extension
7:51 #4 Lowering The Bar Incorrectly
I just did this to myself 2 days ago. Not because I don’t know better but because, like you said, I got sloppy on my warm up deadlifts. Now I’m dealing with horrible back pain that’s setting me back. So not worth trying to rush! Great advice, as always!
I've done all these mistakes. Happily I have fixed them over the years.
Good video Thank You.
How about touch and go deadlifts? Seems like a really good way to injure yourself considering most people lose tightness and lose form doing touch and go as opposed to putting the weight back down and resetting yourself.
2:15: lowering the hips causes the bar to move forward from the midfoot. easiest way to get hurt.
5:21: pulls the quads out of the movement/eliminating the quads from the movement, causing less muscle recruitment (only hamstrings and lowerback)
Hey @StartlingStrength i know this is a common mistakes video, but it would have helped immensely to show the correct way right after showing the mistake
Kind Regards and Thanks a lot for your efforts & knowledge!
More of this please!
This is so good. Great addition to the basics on how to do it right. :) Thanks for sharing, Andy!
Very informative, though a demonstration of proper form at the end would be helpful (and yes, I do have the blue SS book).
You can see the upward part done correctly at 7:55.
Great Post and thanks for your service Andy
This is outstanding. Thank you!
Thanks so much for this! I’ve been thinking about how to avoid injuries cause I’ve been getting close to 400 club and here this vid is like magic! Love this stuff!
These visuals are helpful. Thanks
Make a video with how people do it wrong and then how to do it right so it's easier to learn proper technique.
Carlos Alberto Torres lazy video imo
Read starting strength
No
Great advice !!!!
6:35 you showed so many improper ways to lift that someone called the form police.
You win
@ 6:35 he wasn’t even lifting lol. 🤡🤡🤡
I am guilty of some of these mistakes. I am working on them though, that's why I'm here.
I was just expecting that !!!! Awesome
currently my favorite cue for back extension is a SUPERMAN CHEST
3 and 4 are definitely my issues. Deadlifts are taxing for me, and so I get distracted on how tired I am, which then distracts from doing the correct technique/set-up.
What would be the fix for #2?
Thank you
Good guy! 💯
So how do you fix issue #2???
You can watch hundreds of videos on how to deadlift and how to avoid mistakes. You still won't know how to deadlift.
The way to learn is to learn to engage your glutes and your hamstrings. Without that every single rep is a hit or miss.
I've watched literally hundreds of deadlift videos. Only after I focused on doing the movement with my hamstrings and glutes it all came together. Most people need to learn to raise their torso using hamstrings/butt only. Some people already do that naturally so deadlifting is easier to learn. Videos focus on all kinds of details but barely mention the importance of glute/ham firing. Bracing, sit back, head up/down/neutral, stance, grip, butt trajectory, "keep it tight", push instead of pull - all kinds of shit that come naturally IF you learn to engage the hams/glutes.
Best advice - start with an extremely low weight and think one thing: "Hamstrings!". You can do that without any weight too.
Bend over, raise your butt so you feel the hamstrings stretched. Then explode up WITHOUT letting the hamstrings get loose. Done. That is called "Romanian Deadlift" and it will teach you more than 100 videos. But you need to do that over and over so your body learns to fire the hamstrings.
Good luck.
Thanks for the video.
GreatWhiteNiko so true
There is no way to deadly WITHOUT engaging the gluten or hams, there is no such thing, and if you can think of all the bullshit you describe WHILE pulling on the bar, the bar is NOT heavy enough, you can perhaps think and do all these silly things with the warm up sets or lighter sets, but once you are over 90-95-100 percent of your weight you cannot do but pull and keep your form as much as you can, and I promise you EVERYTHING is "engaged" with those sets. Do you know anyone who can DL 500-600 pounds with loose glutes, or hamstrings?? If you can lift those weights EVERYTHING is engaged. Period.
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 true but the guy is talking about people with problems with their deadlift i.e not the people already deadlifting 500 pounds
@@vepz13
You are still missing the point, the point is NOT those people who can already delight 500, I am talking about the fact that WHATEVER the weight is your 90% ; then you will have to engage all muscles. No matter if you are novice intermediate or "advanced"
One major issue here is that a lot of novices just don't LIKE to add weight because phgchologically they are not ready for it, even if they can do it, the effort needed lacks willingness. Let's say, I can squat 405 and have done sets twice last week, that doesn't matter, even though I know I can do it, my brain still wants to pussy out of it EVERY TIME I see the bar loaded right before I FORCE myself to get under it, take it off the hooks and walk a step back, the whole time my body and brain are AGAINST it, it is huge efforts and mentally challenging, every single time.
Novices don't yet knowTHAT. So "trainers" can distract them with "you need to engage your gluten and hams" instead of telling them,
"if you lifted 395 last week for sets of three, you should be able to lift 405 this week, so get it done, the technique is the same, get under that bar, it's gonna be hard just like 395 were hard last week"
And I bet you there will be no talk of ANY muscle being asleep or slacked, the whole concentration is on getting enough COURAGE to do what you as a trainer KNOW he can do.
Anything before that in weight, is better to concentrate on technique, and adding a bit of weight every time. Telling them it is not the same, to warm up than to stretch; basic shit like that they don't yet know, if you're dealing with novices.
RE: Problem 3. Are there any cues/advice to help a lifter having trouble with letting the hamstrings tilt the pelvis off of the floor causing a rounded lumbar? I get the active hip concept, but I either tend to lose extension when the hammies win the war over the pelvis or lose some of the quads and end up doing a SLDL.
Thanks,
Nic
Nic the weight is too heavy. If you still do it even with low weight then it's not necessarily a problem. Kirill sarichev and konstantin konstantinovs, World class lifters lift like that:first they straighten the legs then the back due to their body shape. But you mentioned rounding of the lower back AND a sldl similar scenario, so it all points out to weak lower back therefore at the moment you picked a weight too heavy.
It happens intermittently during both light and heavy pulls. I have previously grooved tucking my ass (proximal ham contraction) during the pull off the floor and am having trouble getting out that habit. I am now trying to "push the anus (sorry) away from the knees and mid-foot". Also, I am incorporating SGDL for the low back either way, but my heaviest pull a week ago was done with a flat back and now I'm having trouble again.
thanks
Nic why you over thinking this so much?
That's just what I do. Also, those lifters round the thoracic spine to varying degrees during the pulls, not the lumbar.
Drop some weight and do a linear progression just for the deadlift focusing on being consistent with correct technique and film your sets to evaluate later. Check out Starting Strenght 5-step deadlift setup. Also, Rippetoe has another interesting que for setting the lowback: "Drop your balls down in between your legs."
Spooky skeleton in the back
I have trouble setting my back because I'm lazy with it. I feel like just setting my back hard is wasting effort before the bar even leaves the floor.
Can you explain why say deadlifts are done multiple times a week surely ur lower back couldn't recover in time? Sore and weak how does this help anything?
6:34 Form police is coming
I drop my hips too low and I dont know how to stop
best deadlifter in the world Eddie Hall is a squat dead lifter.... but that doesnt work for most of us
deepsquat600 that's only because of his weight and he uses a suit. Notice when eddie pulls, the bar doesn't move up until his hips shoot up to "proper position"
Watch Austin Baraki's deadlift video.
He shows Hall, Shaw, Hafthor squatting all the way down before pulling the bar off the floor, with the exception that the moment the barbell raises, their hips are already up in proper form.
A sufficiently heavy weight will demand correct form.
@@withindarkness He doesnt use a suit lmao
@@danibaba7058 His heaviest lifts, including his 500kg was pulled in a suit. The 465kg was pulled with power briefs or a suit with the straps down .
LMAO I was #3 soooo much..and also not respecting the warmups1
Shooting Hips Up Too Early turns it into a Romanian Dead Lift, in my view.
Hex Bar is the Safer Option for the Deadlift..
While arguably safer, it is also a somewhat different movement than the classic deadlifts. It's closer to the squat in that the weight is centered with the body instead of slightly to the front.
i dont think people are so dumb to make those mistakes
Why do guys who lift always have to cup their hands for fux sake
haha! I have noticed this before actually now that I think about it. Maybe they want to show off their biceps?
What sgould do they do with their hands?
Uncup them, clearly!
u dont understand there so strong they can barely keep their powerful muscles from cupping there hands
Cupping your hands like this is good basic presentation form. I present a lot at work and learning good hand gestures is important. You don't want your arms just hanging down and you damn sure don't cross your arms. Putting your hands in your pockets can work sometimes but it's temporary in that if you do it for more than a minute you look weird. I believe it's called pocket pool.
Show the correct way after showing the wrong form. Useless video
I saw the title of the video, and thought it was going to be Andy Bolton...so I immediately got pumped...then I saw it was another Andy, and then lost my aforementioned pump.