I DON'T LIKE CLASSIC SYNTHS - Can Jorb change my mind? // SUMMER OF SYNTHS
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- Bo doesn't like classic synthesizers - can his friend @JorbLovesGear change his mind?! Sponsored by DistroKid. Want to upload music to Spotify/iTunes use this link distrokid.com/vip/bobeats and sign up + get a discount! You support Summer of Synths & the channel.
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THE BEST GEAR IS DUSTY GEAR.
Really loved working on this video, thanks again for the invite. Give me a call when its time to learn about repairing stuff!
True story: I am currently on vacation and I have set up an alert for whenever someone puts up a used synth for sale. I feel I got played here Jorb!!! 😆
If I had your talent for fixing them I'd say heck yes! 🙃
Does that include the Dust Collector? 😂
@@roryjineffect 😂yes
@@ModePhaser 😅🙏🙏
The worst part about vintage gear is the panic you get once something sounds weird, thinking it finally died on you.
The key to all things is feeling inspired. If a vintage synth makes you want to make music because it just excites you to use it…then get one. Just go in eyes open (which this video does a great job of explaining).
Bingo. And aren’t we lucky to have so many awesome instruments of all eras to choose from!
Guys, this was really awesome. Interesting to hear different viewpoints in single video, but in a completely friendly way. This kind of collaboration is really good for the community! Thanks for doing this, and I hope to see more!
Collab of the century
Never really wanted any old gear but that Polysix starting up sounded fantastic!
👀👀👀
I sold the majority of my vintage gear because of maintenance and things like that but I did keep some of them simply because they sound amazing and quite different from my modern stuff. The quirks and instability make them unique studio tools that I really appreciate. I wouldn't want to exclusively rely on vintage synths but they can be the perfect flavor to make a track come alive sometimes.
The quirks and instability are what attracts me to mine too - all comes down to character of an instrument. While you can take modern instruments and software to emulate oscillator drift etc, it's hard to nail the nuances of the original instruments. A sawtooth may be a sawtooth etc, but when you are playing a chord and the discrete oscillators and filters are all interacting together in the VCA circuitry etc and slightly modulating each other etc,.... that's the charm of the instrument. Combine all this with the fantastic modern gear, and it's all very exciting!
True, my juno's dying oscillators sounded unique but every sixth note not sounding meant it was never gonna be the solo lead
Yay jorb has become my favorite gear channel lately so it’s sick to see you platform him
Fun video concept!
Full disclosure, I'm a vintage gear collector, but I really enjoyed this.
In defense of vintage gear, the limitations, quirks, and technical challenges is all part of the charm of interacting with and playing them.
Honestly, I do feel it helped to warm me up a bit about vintage… or maybe I am just trying to rationalize getting into another expensive part of the synth hobby 😆
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@@BoBeats I actually discovered your channel while trying to warm up to new gear and techniques. The truth is, if someone is making music, and it brings a little joy into the world, the tools become irrelevant.
@@BoBeats It's not the expense of buying vintage gear, but the upkeep if needed.
Just like a vintage car, you need to keep the old girl going, and that requires dedication and $.
@@dankeplace It all depends how you drive. Most of my synths have required zero maintenance over the last 20 years beyond a regular dusting and a bit of contact cleaner every once in a while.
Glad to see this collab!
The sound of the Telecaster, Stratocaster, and Les Paul are classic. The sound of a Minimoog, Odyssey, Prophet 5 or Ob-x is just as classic as old guitars.
I don't think so
An electric guitar sound like an electric guitar
A classic synth always tried to mimic a classic instrument like strings, piano, brass, bass in a limited way
A modern polysynth can go further with many type of osc, classic, wavetable, granular, FM, sample etc... and many mod matrix.
Yes. But you don't need an real vintage MiniMoog, Odyssey or Prophet 5 to make these sounds now. A VST or iPad app will do it convincingly. So you really need a reason to spend the money and put up with the other issues of buying a real vintage one instead.
@@jno8039 "A modern polysynth can go further with many type of osc, classic, wavetable, granular, FM, sample etc... and many mod matrix."
It can't, if it can, it will be very expensive.
@@geoffk777 First you need good audio interface to make use of quality VST, and quality audio is already implemented in HW synthesizer, also, you need MIDI controller, no matter what, using mouse and twiddling with MIDI controller is nothing compared to HW synth with good interface. Let's say drum machine, it's different to screw around with mouse, while I can use two hands with real drum machine. Faster workflow and I don't need computer and depend on stability of multipurpose OS.
@@303machine Like I said a modern polysynth, not a classic polysynth
Access Virus, electribe er1, microkorg, waldorf wave hybrid and yamaha sy22 are maybe now a classic synths
And i am totally into it
It's nice to see your polite discourse 🙂
Well counter argumented and argumented!
I've really been looking forward to this video and I wasn't disappointed. :-) You made some great and valid points here. I think we are slowly moving to a time when the general public recognizes synthesisers as "modern day musical instruments" and efforts are made to preserve them, just like we'd do with old Stratocasters or Stradivaris (most people know by these names the type of instrument, and soon most people will now what an Oberheim or a D50 is).
Jorb went full Dungeon Synth at 08:30 🧙♂
I also agree about the Poly-800. They are plentiful and cheap, and information for performing many simple (and cheap) modifications is available for free on the Internet. I actually have a video on my channel where I took one apart, fixed it and modified it, showing how I worked on it. And they sound great!
A Poly-800 Mk1 was my first (sort-of) poly synth, as it was all that I could afford. And I definitely woudn't buy one today. They are very thin sounding (except in 4-voice mode) and don't articulate notes properly. The user interface is terrible, an d the overall experience is way behind any modern VST. If you want to try one, than there's a free VST called Fury-800 that's worth downloading. But I can't recommend the originals.
Wasn’t that 256 note pattern sequencer fun?! My first synth. Saved forever and drove miles in a snowstorm to get it. Before I saw it in the store I was silly enough to think that the graphics were real LEDs! From the magazine adds. Used it a ton and it layered nice with other keyboards. Then I played a DW8000 live and was blown away. I still love that one too.
@@trebleboost7 Sure, I absolutely had fun with the Poly-800. It was the best I could do at the time, and there were some useful things that you could do with it. I had fun with 80's computers too. But I wouldn't buy one now and I wouldn't buy a Poly-800 either. Both are sadly obsolete and far outclassed by modern equivalents.
I love the “chase-play” feature on old Roland synths, the SuperJX on particular. Allow you to play two sounds where one is delayed or pitched shifted from the other. Lovely effect that sadly has been lost in time.
Like driving a 1959 Cadillac vs driving a Toyota Supra.
Depends what melts your butter.
but lets all agree that the 303 is the boring as Ford that everyone has seen, heard and used way too much
@@BoBeats The 303 is an 80s Ford Capri.
And driving Miss Daisy is a VST.
😆
Another advantage to vintage synths is they give you a window into the evolution of synthesizers. Many of these devices have primitive or alternative versions of features that we now consider common place. There were a lot of different ways that sequencers could work, for example. And drum machines have some very quirky ways of working in the past before the 808 style became dominant. Particularly early digital synthesizers get kind of crazy with this kind of thing.
Good point!
And they can be fixed!
Mostly
Jorb's one of my favorite dudes in the music scene on youtube. Great video and good points on each side. Missed this one last month.
I think you should use whatever gear will inspire you to just make stuff, corny as thst sounds. If you get creative when you're learning how to play old gear, so be it. If you get put off by learning old gear and prefer to get creative with a simple, quick, and modern worflow, so be it. Or do a bit of both.
Great video,some good points made.
Your a good man Bo ✊🙏
Good stuff. Been following Jorb a while now. Been following you ages. It's u that's caused me to have a midlife crisis. Buying synths after 25 years not touching one. I just need to get them out the Boxes and have a blast ✊
Jorb and the Jorbivores will convince Bo... just you wait!!
I feel like I'm really close to committing to Jorbivores lmao
I'm old enough to remember struggling with the limitations of old gear. I rejoice in the scope and reliability of contemporary musical instruments and am amazed by the fascination for so called vintage gear. The existence of modular in its revival form astonishes me with a morbid curiosity but no way would I ever go there. Modal and Waldorf are two brands who have inexpensive instruments that I admire, built for exploration, far surpassing the likes of DX7, Jupiter 8 and all comers from the 80s.
Sure, there is still a lot of scope for exploring these older technologies because, in my direct experience, nobody was interested back then in the kind of deep diving and experimentation we now see in online video, users just rocked up at the studio with the same cliché factory presets and multi-tracked what they wanted adding what effects they could muster.
I'm glad people like Jorb are doing what they love. Personally I'm way happier with my Arturia emulation of a Yamaha CS80 than I would be trying to keep one running and moving that colossus from one room to another even.
I also grew up in the 70's and 80's with overpriced and unreliable vintage gear, and totally agree.
@@geoffk777 we are all inclined to forget how the microprocessor industry, the advent of mass production , general purpose chips and memory systems encourage development in instrument design. I look at the CS80 as a perfect example, costing the same as my little house had done at the time, affordable only by the very rich and topmost professionals and having only the most limited storage of preset, massively expensive components but for a brief period it was way ahead of the field. Along comes digital sound generation, DX7 and blammo! Portability, stability of tuning, onboard preset memory banks, at only one tenth the cost of a CS80 and crucially mass production, it was a revolution! I could not afford one but I had no notion that it was overpriced, just that it was a most desirable bit of kit. Today we can buy massively powerful tech way cheaper. My MODX8 is phenomenal and roughly the price of a DX7(pound for pound dollar for dollar) in1982 when I craved one so much and I had to hire one for a session. Taking into account 40 years of inflation the MODX is absurdly cheap compared to the DX. We tend to overlook all that. I now have loads of gear I never use because of its dazzling capabilities just because I coveted them, so I won't say that affordable gear is unequivocally a good thing but the power of interconnection, so difficult back then and oh so easy now is easily taken for granted. Also, just look at the democratisation that mass production has bought. So many releases, so much music being shared. Amazing
@@andycordy5190 Absolutely! A PolyMoog (which had serious tehnical issues) was over $25,000 in modern money. But Cherry Audio's PolyMode VST is $30. My first synth (a Moog Sonic Six) has serious tuning and scaling issues, so playing it in tune was a major chore--even monophonically. And my first "poly" synth, a Korg Poly-800 was a toy compared to modern gear of the same price. The Fury-800 VST for this one is free., as is the Dexed VST for the DX7. If you could have afforded a CS-80, than you still couldn't have kept it in tune, as it went out of tune whenever moved, and was very difficult to tune back.
My iPad has Moog Modular, VCS3, MiniMoog, Arp Odyssey, M1 and WaveStation apps on it, all of which are very authentic. The cost to buy the originals would pay for a house, but the apps were all less than $100 combined. We really live in a Golden age of synths now. Anyone nostalgic for the 70's and 80's probably never lived through it.
In VST world two free Novation this summer is bonkers!. Great video as always!
I agree the Six Trak is a limited but great synth and I've had mine for many decades.
Another synth I owned since it first came out is my Casio FZ-1 Sampler.
It's only 8 voices and you have to jump through menus to edit everything but there's no way it's sonic range has even been scratched. There's just too many editing tools within. There were two aftermarket books put out shortly after this Sampler hit the market and I highly recommend them to unlock the magic inside.
My idea of a perfect synth would be a 32 voice version of my Casio FZ-1 with a ton an of knobs and sliders for editing along with an internal fast booting computer to replace the slow floppy disk drives and limited memory. And give it a big screen to see in the dark too. I used to have a Velcro mounted florescent light just to load up patches on a dark stage when using it live decades ago.
Vintage synths are great. I love the history, and a lot of the sounds and ideas, and I love seeing what people do with them... I just don't like dealing with them when I want to make music! I guess I'm a little spoiled by modern conveniences.
That PolySix warming up sounded awesome!!!
Thank you Bo and Jorb for a great video! I just sold my old Poly 800 that I have had since the late 80-ies. And it feels great! 😀 I understand why Jorb loves old gear but I agree with Bo.
Thanks for watching!!
The poly 800 was entry level, tbh. Good for the price then. An ex800 would be handy tho
Awesome video - one of may favourite oldies is the KORG DW8000 - with 16 digital waveforms, analogue filters, nothing else sounds like it!
YES YES YES! I had an opportunity to pick one up cheap because the battery needed replacement. I was saving for ‘something’ else. Then my son got one for $200 and it was just as amazing as I remembered. He sold it before I could deal with him! It was just so easy within it’s limitations to come up with great sounds that mixed well with a band etc. I was hoping the Wavestate would carry over the analog filter.
@@trebleboost7 Fun! The WaveState has all the waveforms, but the filter doesn’t replicate the sound well.
Awesome juxtaposition of vintage vs. practicality. Nowadays VSTs can literally do everything. Affordable modern physical boxes are light-years away from the 80's (Hydra, PolyBrute) and if you want a fully vintage capable modern monster, fork over 5K and get the OB-X8. So, I think, nostalgia, the challenge and passion to revive these old boxes is what vintage is all about. Kinda like the vintage car enthusiasts do.
Spoken like someone who never had an original mini, or pro one, or cs-15 or …under the fingers
Every time I’ve sought out and nostalgically purchased a synth from my early music career (1970s MiniKorg, Kawai K1, Emu Ultraproteus, etc.) I’ve played them long enough to remember not only why I loved those old synths in the last century when they were the latest and greatest, but also why I now love and appreciate 21st Century instruments and innovations.
JORB! YAS
Im a collector of vintage synths. Brill insight , thank you
Love this! Being a techno guy, I had been lusting over an SH-101 for a long time, and I finally found exactly what I was looking for. I LOVE mine, and I use it all the time. Next up I'm looking for a classic MS-20 to replace my MS-20 Mini. Thanks Jorb and Bo for making this video!
🙏🙏 Happy to do it.
I ended up with a good deal on an SH101, didn't expect to keep it at all but I really fell in love with it. Simple, but truly excellent.
@@JorbLovesGear Someone once described the SH-101 as 'to the point'. I loved that. I agree that it gets very simply and quickly to very usable unique sounds.
Good idea, I know the original MS-20 has a lot more sonic character! The Mini is kind of tame compared to the original.
@@neuzethmusic131 Yeah the Mini is missing that 'vibe' the old ones have. It is bit less 'angry' hahaha. Still awesome for the price though!
I have an original (First Filter)and Mini ms20 and the original is better to play and subjectively I prefer the sound and it doesn’t have that filter thump problem but…the mini accepts midi before the portamento whereas with the original, the external analog sequence patch points are after so you can’t glide a sequence and that’s a bummer….so keep the mini if you add an OG
Jorb is the best.
I can vouch for it 👌
Jorge and Bo in the same video? Pretty bloody awesome!
Hahaha that pose in the image is golden!! 🤣🤣🤣
many years of training
BoBeats, seeing the MS10: Ooooh that's a really dirty synth
BoBeats, hearing the MS10: Ooooh that's a really dirty synth
I love the sound of the classics, but synths from the 90s on got me hooked on things like velocity sensitivity. The good news is, there are modern instruments that sound very close to the classics, yet have the more modern functions. I’m continually amazed at how close some of the emulations are getting too. If you are not into the cost and maintenance of vintage, there’s still a lot out there for you.
I love vintage gear, but I can't afford it. That's why I picked up a System 8, it does exactly the same thing as basically every Roland synth.
I need to revisit this one. It is getting some good press lately. Had been eying thr JD-XA too for a long time.
Best old gear story is from Norway, a technician was knocked out 100% doing service on a old one that was full of LSD.
Works good, tnx
I will do modern revisions but I have no plans to deal with equipment manufactured many years ago.
Nice guest choice. I like Jorb.
I agree
I adore my Roland D-50, with a midi programmer on tablet or pc, it can be a dream to program too. I love the SH-101, they have gotten real expensive over the past few years. A friend offered to sell his to me for $1000, good deal but out of my price range (and I don't need it). I do have my eye on the Nymphes as a 101 alternative. Also like old mixers, depending on the model, they can add so much color. Saturation can also be monstrous. Recently picked up a Boss BX-800 for under $100 and it sounds chunky (in the good way). The BX-800 is great for drum eq and the gain is nasty.
My first synth was a Sequential Six Trak that I got in ‘85 !!! Best bang for buck at the time!!!
I would add the Ensoniq ESQ-1 and SQ-80 to the mix. 3 DCO’s with wave samples, Analog Filters, flexible architecture and a very capable sequencer that can drive other synths/modules, and dynamic voice allocation. Add an enhanced to bring out a little more sparkle in the high end and they are pretty remarkable.
Not sure if you're just talking about analog gear, but I will say the E-mu Morpheus is a pretty solid contender for unique old gear. While Rossum did make the Morpheus eurorack module, which is cool, I can't think of a full synth that does those wild filters along with function generators and sample start/loop time adjustments. It's a synth that I would love to see a modern version of for sure.
The Polysix always did that "tuning up at power on" even when brand new. They have capacitors inside that help stabilize the VCOs, and it takes 15-20 seconds after power on before they are completely charged. That's why you hear all the pitches of all the voices changing like that as it powers up and those capacitors charge.
Wait u saying Jorb played me????
@@BoBeats haha he might not even know - I only know a) because I had an almost-new one in the 1980's, and b) because I'm currently restoring one myself.
The Mono Poly also have this circuit. I use mine live and I have never ever had to tune it. The stabalizer circuit holds the osc’s in an iron grip. So he’s dead wrong when he says that the PolySix is among the least stable synths. The ARP Odyssey on the other hand can be a nightmare and really drifts 😀
@@masterspace I agree, once you get the PolySix tuned (i.e. to match another synth) it stays there and doesn't drift.
If someone buys them for knobs and switches but turns up their nose at a very similar one without, does that make them a Knobhead? Just asking
I love classic synths, I have a Roland system-8 with three popular Roland classics and they are great emulated. That said I don´t own any analog vintage synths but I have own several back in the days. But I will always love analog gear :-)
Perhaps my old Ensoniq SQ-80 is unusual, but we're still finding out new things it can do. It seems like a basic 80s polysynth on the surface, but it has unexplored depths that I have come to believe will never be fully exploited. Nobody can say "been there, done that" about this axe. So I say use whatever YOU like. It's not really what you use that counts, it's what you do with it.
I keep eying these. A perfect case of the classic versus modern debate as I am exploring my polysynth purchase options. I got so much mileage out of my ESQ-1 it was incredible and when I listen to the tapes it just sounds great for what it does. I was lured away by the FM and more digital world and still nothing has been as flexible.
Behringer has fixed some of the issues with old synths, First is the cost, they added new features (Midi) and made them compact/Eurorack compatibale and they do sound slightly different as all analog gear sounds different even 2 identical OG 2600's. The Bass you get out of an Odyessy is just crazy and you don't have to really do anything to it other than play it and move some sliders.
What I'm trying to say Old gear is awesome. So is new Gear.
There's a lot of pain in da ass old gear too though. Choose wisely
The six-track was my first synth along with the alpha Juno 2. Back in ‘96 you could get synths for cheap af! I remember getting a Juno 6 for $20 usd and my first 808 was free. Second one was $80 and I felt I got ripped off…
Did you sell the 808? Guess you're quite wealthy 🧐 now
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GREAT video. The vintage synths are very cool, and I'd love to have some mint, working vintage synths. But I agonize over every dollar I spend, and I'd have to get a working classic synth for next to nothing to be interested. My bigger issue is that my software synth collection (along with my Yamaha MX88) serves all of my needs and I have no actual complaints.
Also, Jorb's channel is great.
Up till I think August 12th? Arturia has a 50% off sale for those of us that can’t spend the $$$ of dollars using the physical synths.
With the polybrute and the juno-x out, who needs old synths?
You have a Take 5 already - it has the vintage sound and modern features - also Moog is equally conservative and still have the same sound - old stuff is for tinkerers and collectors
I actually thought as you did Bo, I didnt give a F bout old synths.... until my first vintage synth, i mainly use vintage synths now and my beloved GR-1
I love using my "old" Novation KS-4 (built-in f/x, full size 4 oct kybd, midi in/out/thru, ...) -- a 4 track, multi-timbral synth! Why can't every modern synth have multi-timbrality & multi-tracks for less then $2000???
Good video Bo !
Lot's of synths guys like old gear, because it got the classic tone, the magic, the looks, the history... you can make juno sound on many synths, but playing juno sound on a juno... well... its just what god intended 😄
Nevertheless, in 2022 I won't buy a synth without midi, velocity sensitive, hands on control ( sorry jx8p lovers )... I'm not a masochist 😵💫
Great video Bo - and I ❤ Jorb ❤ gear 😊 but this has only convinced me even more not to get any vintage gear. Sorry, Jorb 😱 but I still love your channel😊
In a blind test no one can tell the difference, especially in a mix, between a good VST and hardware.
The discussion is more about nostalgia, hands on controls and better investment with hardware - and that's personal preference. It's all good
i just got my Yamaha CS30 yesterday... sorry no new synth compares...
Out of 30+ hardware synthesizers I own: only one is old (MS-404). Everything is temporal and will die in time (digital stuff aside perhaps) and the "recapped" stuff is just a different instrument.
Old digital synths are only boring because so many poeple only used standard patches and did not make sound design.
I agree. I actually love a lot of the low-end "consumer" keyboards from Yamaha and Casio. The CZ and FZ lines and the Yamaha PSS and a couple PSR keyboards have very interesting sound-shaping possibilities
A question for @Jorb: How do you feel about companies making enhanced copies of old analog synths? I'm thinking specifically Behringer....
I'm not jorb but I think it's good. I don't have a Behringer but I do have a Korg ARP Odyssey. I'm glad to have one without all the issues that the vintage ARPs do and all the three filters all available to use. A bit unrelated but the new Prophet 5s sound way better than the vintage ones IMO.
Bo, I think it is really funny that in 20 years you will still sing the praises of the Minilogue which will then be a classic.
I hope you be around then too so you can poke fun :-D
Coach Z loves this dude
This may be an exception rather than the rule, but my old Yamaha CS-10 is rock solid. The tuning doesn't drift, and it's never needed any maintenance. This thing is gonna outlive me.
I’ve always felt Yamaha had an edge on quality over many brands in general but like Roland my experience with their UI has been challenging with some exceptions.
Same here, i have a CS-15 and a MS-20 and they never went out of tune.
I remember abusing and treating old school gear like it was worthless and disposable ..and back in the early to middle 1990's when i was doing this, the gear actually WAS worthless and disposable. Smashing Juno-6's & PolySix's just because one voice stopped working and smashing a TR-909 because it didn't fit into the Industrial/Metal sound I was going for... I did this because the gear was dirt cheap & easily replacable never expecting any of it to be worth something some day.
Try buying a spare LCD screen for a modern synth a couple of years after it's discontinued. Or how about repairing lead free soldered smt boards that are simply not repairable because they are built to be swapped. Vintage synths are more repairable because they use more discrete components. Yes you will find the odd rare part but it is generally the exception.
Good point!
For lead free smt boards you need a hot air rework station. I solder everday at my job and you definitely need the right tools.
Classic synthesizers defined sounds of electronic music genres. Of course there is no problem in using FM, hardsync, PWM and recreate some of the sounds of classics.
I bought a JX-8P a week ago and I’m ready for my cult initiation, pass the cool aid please !!!
Im sure Jorb is here to welcome you with open arms!
@@BoBeats it’s going to be my first soldering adventure, Not my thing (kind of scared) but the sounds this synth makes has me motivated and excited to put on my sneakers move to a retreat with other like-minded people and do whatever the synth profits tell me!
i dont believe the premise of this video is genuine haha. still entertaining.
Always good to see you, Mr. Beats. 1990s synths were *barf* 🙂
The Moog Rogue has an amazing vintage tone that can't be emulated with VA synths.
Come on Bo, the Promars and Korg Sigma have some really unique features that never have shown up in the modern world. :-) that said I like new boutique synths too.
Boutiques are really just for the portability and part nostalgia too. Hate the four note poly tho, that's a dick move by Roland
Probably gonna get flak from both parties here, but I'm a big fan of modern recreations/inspirations of vintage synths. Recently picked up a JX-08 Roland Boutique (their System 8 also looks super interesting though not sure about having to buy licences for their different synth emulations) and love it. Best of both worlds for me. Sure it's probably lacking in character compared to a proper JX-8P, and it may not sound as accurate as better emulations like PG-8X. But it's got sounds I love with proper hands-on control (and also has enough controls to work as an excellent MIDI controller for many VSTs). And I don't really have to worry about it needing repairs or drifting out of tune. Nor finding a spot in my house for something the size of a JX-8P alongside my existing stuff!
It's a great time for all (well, maybe aside from vintage synth collectors/fans given the skyrocketing prices) and I'm happy enough here playing around with my little mobile faux-vintage studio comprised of V-Collection on a laptop paired with my JX-08 for hands-on control!
Great collab btw, love Jorbs content (as well as your own of course!)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I gotta have MIDI. Having the B2600 have usb midi and midi is sooo… 😎
Synthesizers are like people, no 2 are the same and everybody has something unique they can do. I've done factory patches in MANY different electronic instruments for many different companies (mostly Korg) - there are unique sounds in EVERY synth that no other synth can do. Some are because of the sample sets, fx or other sonic abilities (like Wavesequencing) but even straight up analog synths have unique characteristics, features and even the signal path that gives them unique voice. In 2022 the good news is there is far more than a few synths most anybody can get excited about...
Jorb is the fuckin best
I would be open to vintage synths, if they didn't come at a premium price. Especially since there's generally new synths that sound just as good and better, for the same price. Vintage synths can obviously compete when it comes to sound, but you're gambling when it comes to vintage gear. They've been around for decades, and if they break, there's a good chance that you won't find a part that's available, or it's going to be sold at a premium.
Vintage synths don't have to come at a premium price. As Jorb points out, most of his gear was bought cheap and required a bit or service or repair. I'm an amateur musician so I can't justify spending a lot of money on gear. I search local classified, junk shops, and forums and have been pretty successful. For instance I have an alpha Juno, Realistic MG-1, Novation Bass Station, Roland D-50, and Akai AX-73 all of which were found for $200 or less. My most expensive recent purchase was a Yamaha SK20 for $450 (a Christmas present from my wife).
As for parts, places like Synthrotec are great places for spares plus a lot of bits can be easily fabricated from contemporary components.
Many of the parts that DO break or wear out (i.e. keybed contacts, Juno 106 voice chips, etc) are readily available brand new from people who have manufactured new (and often better) versions of them. Simply because there is a market for it, they made parts to fill it! You aren't stuck trying to find used replacement parts for them.
@@lo-firobotboy7112 I'm a novice when it comes to soldering low voltage circuits. It would be anxiety inducing to put an iron on a vintage circuit board, especially on equipment that isn't easy to replace. It sounds like you found some great deals, but that's very much hit and miss. I looked up some of the synths that he showed, and the Akai was the cheapest at $400.00. If you don't mind fixing gear with limited supply, that's cool. I just feel more secure buying recently released gear. Maybe I'll try getting something vintage down the road, but they're not for me at the current moment. I would rather invest in some like the Syntakt or MPC 61.
@@ScottsSynthStuff I’m only going off of the prices I see on sites like reverb. I see people selling boxes, key beds, and manuals for quite a lot. It’s good that there’s companies who sell replacement parts. I just like the idea of having new gear, or mint condition used gear, that I don’t having to worry about fixing, as long as I treat it right. New gear sounds great to me. I haven’t heard any vintage gear that sounds better than the new analog and digital gear, so I’m happy with my opinion. I may change my opinion down the road, but for now, my investments are going to go towards newer gear. It’s just my preference.
In defense of Vintage gear (electronics) I'd say these old beast are mostly built with very common components (OP Amps, resistors, capacitors, trim pots, rotary & linear potentiometers, 8-bit microprocessors, and memory). The really hard parts to find could be filter & oscillator chips but the rest is not very hard to source today.
There's nothing quite like a Prophet 5.
I respect the older gear, but it really is the new tech and new synthesis methods and new sounds that get me the most excited to make music.
Same!
Can we see some examples of this? Specifically what new methods or sounds that sound better? Thanks!
@@RonCavagnaro Look at Serum, OmniSphere or a Waldorf Quantum/Iridium. Technologies like wavetable synthesys, granular synthesis, plcked synthesis, physical modelling, waveshaping and tone sequencing (like on a Korg ModWave or WaveState) are all things that are impossible on old gear.
@@geoffk777 okay so all these synthesis modes you're mentioning, those aren't exactly new, right ? Do you have links to examples of how they are more exciting?
@@RonCavagnaro They're not brand new, but the software and HW that I mentioned have made them more powerful and accessible. And none of them (except wavetable) were available before 2000, so you won't find them on nearly any vintage gear. There are new sounds all the time. Just look up demos on the stuff that I mentioned. There are lots of iPad apps with these methods too.
Every time you said "okay, Jorb", my phone thought you were saying "okay Google" and would do some weird search for whatever you were saying next 😂😂
Hahaha!! 😆🤟 sorry!!
I only want a casio cz101
I used to be into it BUT now with all the reissues and new analog gear it just seems like a huge problem BUT if I was rich I would buy a cs 80 and that would be what 20k these days have not checked lately.
Only discovered that hardware has become affordable a couple of years ago. I was going to buy a 303 clone. Then read that there has been many easier to use synths made since. So went for more modern gear.
I have and have had old stuff. System 8 covers me going forward.
I have 6 synth keyboards and 15 rack modules and YES - from year to year maintenance becomes more and more demanding. If that equipment wasn't the result of my many years in music, I wouldn't be buying it second-hand now as a result of the current fashion.
Classic musical instruments are being reissued, as we speak, to very high effect.
At least with the crazy slightly manipulated Vintage synth market you can at buy one just to give it a go and if anything its price will remain the same or possibly go up so your not risking to much.. but yeah be prepared for maintenance!
Why is it called a pad, not just a preset? Or what is the difference? Serious question btw
What I say pad, thats a type of a sound, and lots of people might describe things differently, but i think where sounds swell in, and fade out smoothly. Fit for chords, and laying underneath other parts
@@JorbLovesGear Ah I see, cool and thanks for taking the time. I'm just starting to learn all of the terminology.
I've loved Roland's LA synth gear and their MT-32 FM synth for a long time now (got into this years ago for DOS games and old PC MIDI music). I disagree that the gear is sleeper (it is good) because the Retro-PC enthusiasts have kept prices really high because of it. I've had my eye on the MT-32 specifically for years now.
A couple of other things with old gear
(1) People keep thinking that they need the newest gear to do anything meaningful. Working with old gear (music or other things) convinces you that it really isn't the gear that makes the artist. In fact, often having fewer options (as with old gear) is a constraint that helps you stay focused on what you want to do.
(2) You can't deny that you learn so much more about something when you have to "fix it".
(3) You can't get around the feeling you get at old vintage gear. It is the same thing with sitting at a computer vs. actually sitting at a physical instrument. They can "do the same", but one gives you a better feeling of creating. And this feeling can be important for creativity.
For me vintage hybrid synthesizers (which not are in focus of todays cloning-industry) are the most interesting and still worth getting. Like the Kawai K3, Ensoniq ESQ-1, Korg DW-8000/6000. Some old digitals like the Casio CZ-3000, Roland D-50 and Yamaha TX81Z also sound unique compared to modern stuff in my ears. I personally would not buy a vintage analog synthesizer today, due to the high prices and all the modern alternatives (I traded my Six Trak for a Tetra and a Minitaur back in the day and never regretted it).
I don't care yhat much wether it's vintage or not. Its all about getting the sounds i want.