From my exposure to remaining native/tribal people on 2 continents I've lived on I've always believed what you said here..... Oh, and your careless hair defined by a wrist scrunchy is delightful **nods**
It seems to me that what actually is going on is our culture tends to not let people exist outside the societal expectations as much as other cultures do. I’m a dude and I don’t dig hunting and apparently in most other cultures people were freer to blur the lines. 🌊🏄♂️
A friend of mine when I was in the Navy, dated a big girl who carried a hammer in her purse (a F'n hammer). She use it once to run off some thugs, he was too inebriated walk. He loved her for it. AI version A friend of mine, when I was in the Navy, dated a plus-sized woman who kept a hammer in her purse (a freaking hammer). She used it once to scare away some troublemakers when he was too drunk to defend himself. He admired her for her courage and protective nature.
In the 1980s, an elderly woman started carrying a golf club with her when she went on her daily walks for her health. It drew the attention of the local TV news, who did a story on her, which was picked up by the national news. Why was she carrying around a golf club everywhere she went? To beat off muggers. Plus, she looked crazy doing that, and that scared off any potential muggers, who didn't want to mess with a crazy old lady. Because the story went national, other old people, both men and women, started carrying things like that.
The opportunistic women hunters you described, who would take down any prey animals that crossed their paths, sound like my dad. He loved deer hunting. Getting up at 4 AM, driving out to the middle of the woods in his old, blue 1951 Ford pickup truck ("Old Blue"), setting up in a prime location by 5:30 AM, and waiting for the deer to stroll into the sights of his rifle. I was given my own post and a shotgun when I joined him on his hunting trips. The opportunistic part came about from a warning he gave me as we drove to our hunting site. He said that I'd better be ready to duck, because if a deer jumped out of the woods and onto the dirt road in front of his truck, he was going to floor it to hit the deer. Then the deer would sail over the truck's hood, smash through the windshield, and into my lap. He added that he was determined to get a deer, either by shooting it or hitting one with his truck, whatever worked. Your continued thinking aloud about gender roles among the sedentary agricultural societies brought to my mind how mid-20th century American thought placed the woman in the kitchen while the men worked the fields. However, with the men in the fields, that left the women to milk the cows, feed the chickens and pigs, etc. They were doing more than just housework. Furthermore, art prints from before that time showed women working in the fields. Also, in Eastern societies (China, Japan, etc.), the women did most of the field work.
@@buttercxpdraws8101 My father was NOT a psycho. Hunting was part of the culture he grew up in, and he shared it with me. Consider this as well: Because of humans messing up the environment and over-eliminating predators because it was feared that those predators would kill our domesticated animals (like cows and sheep), prey animals (like deer) had nothing to curb their overpopulating an area. This meant that there wouldn't be enough food to go around for those deer, especially in winter. So the deer die horribly from starvation. Hunting deer is a kindness to them. BTW the DNR limits how many deer that hunters are allowed to take every year (more if there are too many animals, less if there are fewer deer), sets the deer hunting season (hunting is not allowed all year long), and restricts the taking of does. Furthermore, it's better that experienced hunters cull the deer herds instead of gardeners taking potshots at them or setting out poisoned food, both of which result in painfull deaths. Plus, my dad was not a trophy hunter. We ate what he hunted and brought home. That whole Circle of Life thing. So don't spout off any more BS about things you don't really understand.
@@buttercxpdraws8101ignore that person ,I've got one to ,they seem to be the ruling culture of the world today,that person is just a bored individual who can't see past its own lifestyle to understand diversity,I to learned to hunt and use every scrap of the hunted,and I assure you,people's like you and I have a higher respect for life then you goody goody,conflictmaker
Context matters...a lot! it all depends upon the particular circumstances of their situation as to what the best way to organize society was. If the situation changes, the structure has to adapt for those changes.
I've been thinking a lot about the pain that was caused to entire populations for not fitting in a box once humans became momentarily obsessed by standardization. It to the point where I think anyone with a law enforcement or enforcement type mindset should not be allowed to make decision or enforce anyone as it is a conflict of interest.
Creating another box are we? Food for thought. Stopping boxing is a great idea. .especially within oneself and projected at others. Humans we all are... as similar as we are also different. Do as one wills, as long as it harms no other. Boxless. Peace.
The best law enforcement I've ever met were ones who didn't enforce laws, but who put the motto "protect and serve" first. Being an officer of the law means to keep people safe, give the people resources to uplift themselves, and to help those who need help. Anybody "enforcing the law" by locking up people for drug addiction and homelessness, and many other things that shouldn't be crimes, is a fucking loser. There's a lot of bad police, but there's many who do it to keep their local towns safe.
@@paulkaz2127 no I actually wasn’t. I was talking about a very specific and dangerous thought process that has and shapes the lives of others without consent. Sorry I used the word law.
@@mmmmemems4068 I think I can now see what could be 'seen' as your possible intent. Correct me if I am incorrect , so I believe you may be saying, something similar to.. imposed dognatic enforcement of a conformity, is not a method that may be desired for optimal results. I agree of course. A peaceful non condesending approach may be best in most any case, of guiding/informing humans. Most law enforcement will use a mixed approach. Some are the predominantly the 'bad' types that you had seemed to alluded to, but most, if you treat them as a human regardless of the force of inquiry,.. and consider/understand why they are on such guard, are good helpful humans. Be honest and most will show a human side and they may/do have much to offer and perhaps guide. That is, if each may be willing to percieve the other, and present as a fellow human. I do have much more experience with law encounters than most. I'm not a cop so.. well I am/have been, the perpetually harassed 'victim'. I've looked down the wrong end of a gun several times. It's all about being opened to understanding each other, and doing what one can to faciltate a mutual understanding. The power they have can be very scary, so it is very important to demonstrat that you are not in the 'evil' box, they feel that is necessary to control. This aplies to most any situation. Power corrupts in any field. Many resist power corruption well, and the ones that don't do as well, have less direct love from thier blue brothers/fellow humans. May our 'boxes' be as encompassing and understanding of all boxes, as may be possible, throughout our journeys. Boxes of many kinds are unlikely to ever 'disappear' but all we can do is to understand the boxes, and disassemble/open a side of them carefully, kindly and justfully, as we encouter them in others and ourselves. While always learning and enriching the other and ourselves. Peace.
The strict social role idea is something that seems to come up in cultures of modern humans, which is why I think we project that onto past humans. We know the part of the reasons we are the last remaining remaining hominid species was due to the division of labor and the economic benefits that brings, but that doesn't mean it was some ubiquitous ironclad rule. When we're talking about an evolutionary trend that's something happening on a hugh timescale as a broad truth.
IMO cultures where people were allowed to do what is good for the group in any given situation would have an advantage. Being overly rigid could be catastrophic in some situations.
Who could have possibly predicted that different human beings do different things?!?!??! Jokes aside, it's nice that we're learning more about hunter-gatherers. Though anyone who relies on these gendered misconceptions for their worldview won't accept any new findings, but then again they never do.
just the same as back then, the future is not set in stone and is what we make of it, culture is (partly) just an accumulation of all those different processes and is always in a state of flux and exists on a spectrum. That goes for rigid societies just as must as fluid ones, it's all just people doing their thing
We've been omnivores for millions of years, supposedly (according to almost too many) carnivory being evolutionarily important to our development as a species, and yet, somehow, animals don't look delicious to me in the slightest. Nothing about their appearance makes me hungry or predacious (not even humans). What's that about, Astrid?
it means you have no idea what the fuck hunger even feels like. if you are so health-conscious, have you ever even done a 3 day water fast and allowed your cells to enforce autophagy?
@@DerHammerSpricht Ouch ... um. Yea, I should have included this but yea I've been starving to death multiple times for days on end at different times in my life, our parents forgot to feed us. Only on the verge of death managing to get something to eat. Sorry to ruin your assumption but hopefully you've never been more wrong than this, you ironically just happened to direct that at the wrong person.
The women that brought their children with them did so for a few reasons: --- to teach them how to hunt. --- to teach them how to butcher the animals. --- there was no one suitable to watch over the children back at the camp/farm/village. When the children were infants/toddlers, the women carried them slung over their backs in order to leave their hands and arms free for the bows & arrows, spears, etc . Some people might wonder about the wisdom of bringing children on a hunt, that they'd play and make too much noise, scaring the prey away. However, the children would very quickly learn that when they scared the prey away, there would be not much or even no food to eat. In this case, an empty stomach makes a great teacher.
My grandpa taught me to shoot when I was like 6 years old. I've seen 3 year olds who can dance better than me. I've seen 3 year olds play drums... I can't play an instrument if someone held a gun to my head and told me to play Bah Bah Black Sheep. Children are not as weak or stupid as we like to act. They lack maturity and a fully developed brain, but they can be crammed full of information.
@@Conantas my 7yo is learning to use a bow, doesn't have the strength for hunting yet, but is getting the hang of aiming. my 4yo wants to be involved, carries arrows and helps out, not strong enough to pull the string yet
how wouldn't it work? no one with any education whatsoever thinks gender-based division of labor was mainstream before the Neolithic if not possibly a bit later. hunter-gather societies were a lot more like feral cat colonies than wolf packs. Honestly, I thinnk domesticating dogs went to our heads and we tried to treat each other the same way from then on, because Patriarchy resembles dog pack heirarchy and feels unnatural and frustrating to everyone except those who have never conceived of anything else.
When an intruder breaks into the family home - who is there to "protect" the family? When a job exists that is acutely dangerous - who is there to "volunteer" themselves to society? I think the idea that things aren't so stratified historically is interesting, and I think there is truth to it, but like ~98% of workplace deaths are male. So... I think it's kind of ridiculous to say that gender roles are purely a modern construct
The idea that men are the only line of defense against roving gangs of home invaders is fantasy land nonsense. And if everyone is behaving in stereotypically gendered ways in this scenario, shouldn't women be staying in the home, caring for the children while the men are out? Who's defending against home invaders then? Kind of undercuts the theory that men are defending the home when they're not even there most of the time. Also, women aren't electing to stay out of dangerous, male dominated jobs. They're being kept out, by men. Any job you can think of as a man's job has had women trying to get into to it for at least decades. And when they finally get in, men do everything they can to push them right back out again. Finally, if men are dying so often in the workplace (which I don't doubt they are), they should maybe do something about it rather than daydreaming about all the hypothetical home invaders they'd like to kill.
@@jussts Thanks for the spirited defense - but I must disagree. Even your first statement on tribal dynamics is just silly, men are out *to* provide resources - thereby fortifying their position in society, enabling them to protect their family. If women aren't electing to stay out of these jobs then why are like 100% of sanitation workers male, factory workers, and other miserable vocations still male? Are you trying to suggest to me that there are tons of women lined up at the local sanitation plant desperate to get a higher paying -- but unpleasant -- job? Anywho, if you don't believe me on the workplace statistics do some damn research - respectfully. Cause saying "lol no they aren't" is hardly a good argument when ya mate they totally are. You though men die earlier because they are genetically predisposed to, ya? Nope. Men and women have the same exact biological timeline - men are just in hazardous positions that endanger their lives.. for whatever reason also, men are not inclined to socialize the same way as women. which is think is actually a problem. you think a bunch of men should form an organization and wear blue ribbons or something but that is like, well, if you've ever seen behind the curtain of how men behave and act, not at all who men behave or act collectively. i do not represent anyone except myself and i am not whining, i am just tired of this stupid posturing. Why not spend your time contributing something to the world instead of blaming men for all your problems? Like Bill Burr said to a lady complaining about supposed oppression in the comedy scene "shut up and go do it then", if you want to build a video game no one's stopping you, actually, there are massive grants and affirmative active and all this other hoo haa but nah you still complain about oppression. you are only oppressing yourself with this mentality, and furthermore poisoning the well with this stuff without actually pushing boundaries and building something. i implore you to do that which you consider impossible and you will soon find it rather possible
@@9thAvalon Why not offer a meaningful riposte then - "9thAvalon"? Contribute something, instead of just making a hollow remark? enlighten the audience of CZcams land with your wisdom
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I'd never really thought about it before, but yeah, doesn't really make sense that we'd ever be that straightforward
Astrid I could listen to you talk all day. These are the conversations I want at the pub :P
My wife hunts as much as I do. I gather more berries , mushrooms and nuts than her too.
who carries the beasts home? through the rough terrain?
@@flowinsounds she does when I’m not around.. if I’m around I help , just like she helps me when she’s around.
I love to see the debunking of people that try to put humans in neat little boxes! Thanks for this awesome information :)
This doesn't align with my alpha wolf mentality that I also ignore the truth about >:(
/s
From my exposure to remaining native/tribal people on 2 continents I've lived on I've always believed what you said here.....
Oh, and your careless hair defined by a wrist scrunchy is delightful **nods**
It seems to me that what actually is going on is our culture tends to not let people exist outside the societal expectations as much as other cultures do. I’m a dude and I don’t dig hunting and apparently in most other cultures people were freer to blur the lines. 🌊🏄♂️
I like the idea the Lions have. lmao
A friend of mine when I was in the Navy, dated a big girl who carried a hammer in her purse (a F'n hammer). She use it once to run off some thugs, he was too inebriated walk. He loved her for it.
AI version
A friend of mine, when I was in the Navy, dated a plus-sized woman who kept a hammer in her purse (a freaking hammer). She used it once to scare away some troublemakers when he was too drunk to defend himself. He admired her for her courage and protective nature.
In the 1980s, an elderly woman started carrying a golf club with her when she went on her daily walks for her health. It drew the attention of the local TV news, who did a story on her, which was picked up by the national news.
Why was she carrying around a golf club everywhere she went? To beat off muggers. Plus, she looked crazy doing that, and that scared off any potential muggers, who didn't want to mess with a crazy old lady.
Because the story went national, other old people, both men and women, started carrying things like that.
great hair! wild & unbound, no barbie, real hunter! 😅
The opportunistic women hunters you described, who would take down any prey animals that crossed their paths, sound like my dad.
He loved deer hunting. Getting up at 4 AM, driving out to the middle of the woods in his old, blue 1951 Ford pickup truck ("Old Blue"), setting up in a prime location by 5:30 AM, and waiting for the deer to stroll into the sights of his rifle. I was given my own post and a shotgun when I joined him on his hunting trips.
The opportunistic part came about from a warning he gave me as we drove to our hunting site. He said that I'd better be ready to duck, because if a deer jumped out of the woods and onto the dirt road in front of his truck, he was going to floor it to hit the deer. Then the deer would sail over the truck's hood, smash through the windshield, and into my lap. He added that he was determined to get a deer, either by shooting it or hitting one with his truck, whatever worked.
Your continued thinking aloud about gender roles among the sedentary agricultural societies brought to my mind how mid-20th century American thought placed the woman in the kitchen while the men worked the fields. However, with the men in the fields, that left the women to milk the cows, feed the chickens and pigs, etc. They were doing more than just housework.
Furthermore, art prints from before that time showed women working in the fields. Also, in Eastern societies (China, Japan, etc.), the women did most of the field work.
What a psycho. Taking pleasure in shooting harmless animals, and indoctrinating a child into that. It’s sick in this day and age.
@@buttercxpdraws8101
My father was NOT a psycho. Hunting was part of the culture he grew up in, and he shared it with me.
Consider this as well:
Because of humans messing up the environment and over-eliminating predators because it was feared that those predators would kill our domesticated animals (like cows and sheep), prey animals (like deer) had nothing to curb their overpopulating an area. This meant that there wouldn't be enough food to go around for those deer, especially in winter. So the deer die horribly from starvation. Hunting deer is a kindness to them.
BTW the DNR limits how many deer that hunters are allowed to take every year (more if there are too many animals, less if there are fewer deer), sets the deer hunting season (hunting is not allowed all year long), and restricts the taking of does.
Furthermore, it's better that experienced hunters cull the deer herds instead of gardeners taking potshots at them or setting out poisoned food, both of which result in painfull deaths.
Plus, my dad was not a trophy hunter. We ate what he hunted and brought home. That whole Circle of Life thing.
So don't spout off any more BS about things you don't really understand.
@@buttercxpdraws8101ignore that person ,I've got one to ,they seem to be the ruling culture of the world today,that person is just a bored individual who can't see past its own lifestyle to understand diversity,I to learned to hunt and use every scrap of the hunted,and I assure you,people's like you and I have a higher respect for life then you goody goody,conflictmaker
Context matters...a lot! it all depends upon the particular circumstances of their situation as to what the best way to organize society was. If the situation changes, the structure has to adapt for those changes.
I've been thinking a lot about the pain that was caused to entire populations for not fitting in a box once humans became momentarily obsessed by standardization. It to the point where I think anyone with a law enforcement or enforcement type mindset should not be allowed to make decision or enforce anyone as it is a conflict of interest.
Creating another box are we? Food for thought. Stopping boxing is a great idea. .especially within oneself and projected at others. Humans we all are... as similar as we are also different. Do as one wills, as long as it harms no other. Boxless. Peace.
The best law enforcement I've ever met were ones who didn't enforce laws, but who put the motto "protect and serve" first.
Being an officer of the law means to keep people safe, give the people resources to uplift themselves, and to help those who need help. Anybody "enforcing the law" by locking up people for drug addiction and homelessness, and many other things that shouldn't be crimes, is a fucking loser.
There's a lot of bad police, but there's many who do it to keep their local towns safe.
@@paulkaz2127 no I actually wasn’t. I was talking about a very specific and dangerous thought process that has and shapes the lives of others without consent. Sorry I used the word law.
@@mmmmemems4068 I think I can now see what could be 'seen' as your possible intent. Correct me if I am incorrect , so I believe you may be saying, something similar to.. imposed dognatic enforcement of a conformity, is not a method that may be desired for optimal results.
I agree of course. A peaceful non condesending approach may be best in most any case, of guiding/informing humans.
Most law enforcement will use a mixed approach. Some are the predominantly the 'bad' types that you had seemed to alluded to, but most, if you treat them as a human regardless of the force of inquiry,.. and consider/understand why they are on such guard, are good helpful humans.
Be honest and most will show a human side and they may/do have much to offer and perhaps guide. That is, if each may be willing to percieve the other, and present as a fellow human.
I do have much more experience with law encounters than most. I'm not a cop so.. well I am/have been, the perpetually harassed 'victim'. I've looked down the wrong end of a gun several times.
It's all about being opened to understanding each other, and doing what one can to faciltate a mutual understanding.
The power they have can be very scary, so it is very important to demonstrat that you are not in the 'evil' box, they feel that is necessary to control.
This aplies to most any situation. Power corrupts in any field. Many resist power corruption well, and the ones that don't do as well, have less direct love from thier blue brothers/fellow humans.
May our 'boxes' be as encompassing and understanding of all boxes, as may be possible, throughout our journeys.
Boxes of many kinds are unlikely to ever 'disappear' but all we can do is to understand the boxes, and disassemble/open a side of them carefully, kindly and justfully, as we encouter them in others and ourselves. While always learning and enriching the other and ourselves. Peace.
oh my GOSH i love this so much! you're right, it IS almost like hunter/gatherers weren't a monolith. hmmmmm
The strict social role idea is something that seems to come up in cultures of modern humans, which is why I think we project that onto past humans.
We know the part of the reasons we are the last remaining remaining hominid species was due to the division of labor and the economic benefits that brings, but that doesn't mean it was some ubiquitous ironclad rule. When we're talking about an evolutionary trend that's something happening on a hugh timescale as a broad truth.
IMO cultures where people were allowed to do what is good for the group in any given situation would have an advantage. Being overly rigid could be catastrophic in some situations.
Who could have possibly predicted that different human beings do different things?!?!??!
Jokes aside, it's nice that we're learning more about hunter-gatherers. Though anyone who relies on these gendered misconceptions for their worldview won't accept any new findings, but then again they never do.
just the same as back then, the future is not set in stone and is what we make of it, culture is (partly) just an accumulation of all those different processes and is always in a state of flux and exists on a spectrum.
That goes for rigid societies just as must as fluid ones, it's all just people doing their thing
Only the flow stopped the hunt , according to my data at least
having tried to carry heavy things through the woods, men are an essential part of transporting hunted food. But killing the food? anyone can do
I wish I could say more.
good stuff
astrid
Would you pin the source please? It will help back this up when I share it. Thanks!
We've been omnivores for millions of years, supposedly (according to almost too many) carnivory being evolutionarily important to our development as a species, and yet, somehow, animals don't look delicious to me in the slightest. Nothing about their appearance makes me hungry or predacious (not even humans). What's that about, Astrid?
it means you have no idea what the fuck hunger even feels like. if you are so health-conscious, have you ever even done a 3 day water fast and allowed your cells to enforce autophagy?
@@DerHammerSpricht Ouch ... um. Yea, I should have included this but yea I've been starving to death multiple times for days on end at different times in my life, our parents forgot to feed us. Only on the verge of death managing to get something to eat. Sorry to ruin your assumption but hopefully you've never been more wrong than this, you ironically just happened to direct that at the wrong person.
@@heavensophia9382 likely story....
Hold up. You're saying that some of these women hunted WITH their young children? And their young children PARTICIPATED? How would that even work?
maybe making them scare the prey so it would go toward the adults, or making them keep lightweight tools. And there is the teaching aspect of it too.
The women that brought their children with them did so for a few reasons:
--- to teach them how to hunt.
--- to teach them how to butcher the animals.
--- there was no one suitable to watch over the children back at the camp/farm/village.
When the children were infants/toddlers, the women carried them slung over their backs in order to leave their hands and arms free for the bows & arrows, spears, etc .
Some people might wonder about the wisdom of bringing children on a hunt, that they'd play and make too much noise, scaring the prey away. However, the children would very quickly learn that when they scared the prey away, there would be not much or even no food to eat. In this case, an empty stomach makes a great teacher.
My grandpa taught me to shoot when I was like 6 years old. I've seen 3 year olds who can dance better than me. I've seen 3 year olds play drums... I can't play an instrument if someone held a gun to my head and told me to play Bah Bah Black Sheep. Children are not as weak or stupid as we like to act. They lack maturity and a fully developed brain, but they can be crammed full of information.
@@Conantas my 7yo is learning to use a bow, doesn't have the strength for hunting yet, but is getting the hang of aiming. my 4yo wants to be involved, carries arrows and helps out, not strong enough to pull the string yet
how wouldn't it work? no one with any education whatsoever thinks gender-based division of labor was mainstream before the Neolithic if not possibly a bit later. hunter-gather societies were a lot more like feral cat colonies than wolf packs. Honestly, I thinnk domesticating dogs went to our heads and we tried to treat each other the same way from then on, because Patriarchy resembles dog pack heirarchy and feels unnatural and frustrating to everyone except those who have never conceived of anything else.
I think about it in more scientific way. Women don't have much spatial reasoning so we can surmise they didn't do much of the hunting, ya know?
Tell that to an ancient Scythian woman, or Jean d'Arc, or Grace O'Malley, or Hypatia, or literally any cat.
When an intruder breaks into the family home - who is there to "protect" the family?
When a job exists that is acutely dangerous - who is there to "volunteer" themselves to society?
I think the idea that things aren't so stratified historically is interesting, and I think there is truth to it, but like ~98% of workplace deaths are male. So... I think it's kind of ridiculous to say that gender roles are purely a modern construct
The idea that men are the only line of defense against roving gangs of home invaders is fantasy land nonsense. And if everyone is behaving in stereotypically gendered ways in this scenario, shouldn't women be staying in the home, caring for the children while the men are out? Who's defending against home invaders then? Kind of undercuts the theory that men are defending the home when they're not even there most of the time.
Also, women aren't electing to stay out of dangerous, male dominated jobs. They're being kept out, by men. Any job you can think of as a man's job has had women trying to get into to it for at least decades. And when they finally get in, men do everything they can to push them right back out again.
Finally, if men are dying so often in the workplace (which I don't doubt they are), they should maybe do something about it rather than daydreaming about all the hypothetical home invaders they'd like to kill.
@@jussts Thanks for the spirited defense - but I must disagree. Even your first statement on tribal dynamics is just silly, men are out *to* provide resources - thereby fortifying their position in society, enabling them to protect their family.
If women aren't electing to stay out of these jobs then why are like 100% of sanitation workers male, factory workers, and other miserable vocations still male? Are you trying to suggest to me that there are tons of women lined up at the local sanitation plant desperate to get a higher paying -- but unpleasant -- job?
Anywho, if you don't believe me on the workplace statistics do some damn research - respectfully. Cause saying "lol no they aren't" is hardly a good argument when ya mate they totally are. You though men die earlier because they are genetically predisposed to, ya? Nope. Men and women have the same exact biological timeline - men are just in hazardous positions that endanger their lives.. for whatever reason
also, men are not inclined to socialize the same way as women. which is think is actually a problem. you think a bunch of men should form an organization and wear blue ribbons or something but that is like, well, if you've ever seen behind the curtain of how men behave and act, not at all who men behave or act collectively. i do not represent anyone except myself and i am not whining, i am just tired of this stupid posturing. Why not spend your time contributing something to the world instead of blaming men for all your problems?
Like Bill Burr said to a lady complaining about supposed oppression in the comedy scene "shut up and go do it then", if you want to build a video game no one's stopping you, actually, there are massive grants and affirmative active and all this other hoo haa but nah you still complain about oppression. you are only oppressing yourself with this mentality, and furthermore poisoning the well with this stuff without actually pushing boundaries and building something. i implore you to do that which you consider impossible and you will soon find it rather possible
@@Retrofire-47 Wow. Literally NOTHING you wrote here is factual, 'gamer'.
@@9thAvalon Why not offer a meaningful riposte then - "9thAvalon"? Contribute something, instead of just making a hollow remark? enlighten the audience of CZcams land with your wisdom
@@9thAvalon Are you implying that "gamer" is a bad/male thing to be? Lots of female gamers who would remove your hyoid bone for suggesting that.
Hi anybody who cares,i have made wrong allegations against Astrid ,i was wrong and didnt do her justice,please ignore these dumb comments against her character, i was mistaken by someone else.