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  • Dave tears down a monster of a mixing console!
    A Professional 40 channel Yamaha M3000 mixer designed for sound reinforcement and concerts.
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  • @SouthPlanObservation
    @SouthPlanObservation Před 8 lety +58

    For those who wondered what this beast cost back in the days. The MSRP for the M3000A reached from $11k to $17k, for 24-56 channels with VCAs.

    • @ppdan
      @ppdan Před 3 lety +7

      That is a decent price for such a mixer. Expected it to cost more

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff Před 8 lety +71

    Mag shielding on relays probably to avoid magnetically coupling clicks into nearby low-level audio signals rather than adjacent relays.

    • @scottp131
      @scottp131 Před rokem

      Haha 7 years later and 69 likes. Niiiice

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff Před 8 lety +114

    Insert is to allow effects to be placed in-line with individual inputs - things like compressors/limiters, reverb etc.

    • @DirtyRobot
      @DirtyRobot Před 8 lety +6

      +mikeselectricstuff
      I believe it is classed as a channel insert that allows you to pass the signal path to an external device and then back before the signal is passed onto the rest of the channel.

    • @obiwanjacobi
      @obiwanjacobi Před 8 lety +2

      +mikeselectricstuff Yeah, although reverbs and delays are usually put on an effect bus (the middle 'matrix' part of the channel section).

    • @xyanide1986
      @xyanide1986 Před 8 lety +1

      +mikeselectricstuff You mean all those except the reverb, hah!

    • @xyanide1986
      @xyanide1986 Před 8 lety +2

      +Marc Jacobi Nah just give the whole effect its own return channel! Look at all those suckers on the far right. More mixing more better.

    • @asdf155
      @asdf155 Před 8 lety +3

      +Marc Jacobi It depends on whether you want to use an effect on just one channel or on a subgroup or on several channels across subgroups. It's not that uncommon to have something like reverb as an insert.

  • @squelchedotter
    @squelchedotter Před 8 lety +177

    your cordless screwdriver makes really weird whistling noises

  • @DIYTAO
    @DIYTAO Před 8 lety +20

    With all pots, filters, VCA:s and opamps, wire looms it migh contain a nice set of parts for making an analog synth.

    • @josiahlee1982
      @josiahlee1982 Před 4 lety +3

      Or the worlds most complex fuzz pedal ever created.

  • @Thesignalpath
    @Thesignalpath Před 8 lety +115

    KNOBS! KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS!
    Cracked me up. :)

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  Před 8 lety +7

      +The Signal Path Blog Knobs are exciting!

    • @Subparanon
      @Subparanon Před 8 lety +1

      +The Signal Path Blog He layed down on a bed of knobs and none poked him hard enough to break. ^_^

    • @MrChief101
      @MrChief101 Před 8 lety +1

      +The Signal Path Blog Me, as well! Pretty much my internal moaning when I'm around big switch panels. Dave's a very funny fellow-- in a serious way!

    • @Nighthawke70
      @Nighthawke70 Před 8 lety +1

      +EEVblog Don't you DARE let your wife see this! She may start questioning your sanity, or worse! XDD

    • @artcarsnguitarsAdamS
      @artcarsnguitarsAdamS Před 8 lety

      +Sean Buckwell I was going to say, no wonder he's tearing it down, there's a strange noise coming from that one master knob. wah wah wahhhhh..

  • @jordangunit3078
    @jordangunit3078 Před 4 lety +8

    I'd love to see/hear you tear down/analyze a studio quality ultra discreet recording console. Something like API/NEVE/ SSL. The electronic engineering that goes into making them extremely efficient and quiet audio path's would be such a cool concept to see you explain. I am an audio engineer and merely a hobbyist at electronics. Love your vids. Thanks! -Jordan

  • @trustthewater
    @trustthewater Před 8 lety +35

    Having been the technical friend of a number of musicians years ago I can say they aren't very complex to use. It's intimidating, but it's just a lot of repetition. The real challenge is having an ear for what you are doing.
    There are plenty of people that will say they want to help be a roady so they can meet the band, hang out, have fun, learn how to use the equipment... After running a couple dozen cables they tend to suddenly disappear. Those that do stick around to help set everything up are not there when it's time to take it all down.
    Another fun thing about doing live audio at a concert is that when everything runs well the tech gets no attention. If a guitarist is standing to close to his amp and it feedbacks (not something the board operator can control), the audience turns and give the tech The Eye.

    • @MrBanzoid
      @MrBanzoid Před 8 lety

      So true.....

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys Před 6 lety +5

      The only way you know you are doing a good job is if nobody notices XD And i dont get the pikers, there is no feeling like seeing a gig through from plan to bumpout, the feeling when you get off and chill is incomparable

    • @Ma_X64
      @Ma_X64 Před 4 lety

      Absolutely agree!

  • @JanBabiuchHall
    @JanBabiuchHall Před 8 lety +1

    I spent my best years working at a radio station and doing live sound on this puppy's younger cousin. As soon as I saw the thumbnail my hands were shaking. This video was a treat. Brought back memories of diagnosing in the field and bodging on-the-spot repairs. Beautiful old school engineering. These devices really have a soul. Just superb.
    Thanks a bunch, Dave!

  • @TheCubus95
    @TheCubus95 Před 8 lety +1

    Hi Dave! It seems you can read in my mind! Im sound engineer on live events and about 4 days ago i was looking on your channel for "mixing console teardown" -presumably Tuesday :P. And now you're publishing exactly what i was trying to find. Thanks for your videos i've learned tons of knolwedge. Thank you again!

  • @PiddeBas
    @PiddeBas Před 8 lety

    Awesome video Dave, your efforts are appreciated! :)

  • @makestufflearnstuff2386

    Worked on pro audio/video in a previous life. These units were well built and a joy to work on. Great vid as always.

  • @phillipbartlett1819
    @phillipbartlett1819 Před 4 lety

    I never get tired of watching you tear things apart explaining how it works.

  • @tubical71
    @tubical71 Před 8 lety +1

    What a great thing for a teardown.....Thanx Dave!!!
    I used to work with a little brother with 32ch into 16ch sub into 2ch main out with lots of subOutd for stage monitoring and effects...
    YM-consoles always done a good job, when I worked on and with them, especially in live situations where a clear routing is essential..
    What a nice thing to see one if them here! :)

  • @Geoxor
    @Geoxor Před 8 lety +107

    I feel special because i know what everything does xD

    • @lolzlarkin3059
      @lolzlarkin3059 Před 8 lety +38

      +Geoxor Well, once you know how to use everything on channel 1, you basically know how 90% of it works.

    • @abcefg3813
      @abcefg3813 Před 8 lety

      +Geoxor me to mate

    • @Geoxor
      @Geoxor Před 8 lety

      lolz larkin yup :P
      i know how they work cus i produce music and the terms that the mixer has writen on it is oftenly used in DAWs (Digital audio workspace) (aka music making program :P)

    • @xyanide1986
      @xyanide1986 Před 8 lety +4

      +Geoxor Good boy. I was trained to use recording studios and couldn't find a job so I got an electrical engineering degree instead.

    • @slowgold20
      @slowgold20 Před 8 lety +1

      +Geoxor Yea :P Finally not everything on Dave's channel goes over my head XD

  • @kurtstabel9674
    @kurtstabel9674 Před 8 lety +2

    Great teardown, moooore.
    Who needs TV, when we have Dave and Dave? :)

  • @erikdravn
    @erikdravn Před 8 lety +145

    I'm a live sound audio engineer. This was better than porn to me!!! :)

    • @tubical71
      @tubical71 Před 8 lety +2

      +erikdravn me too in the past, reminds me of the days where i used to do FOH....I used these consoles...:)

    • @Txmj122
      @Txmj122 Před 8 lety +8

      12 hours + per week combined at my church for
      The past 4 or 5 years. It's a thankless job isn't it? Good to see another member of the “club”

    • @IanScottJohnston
      @IanScottJohnston Před 8 lety +4

      Loved this also, takes me back, I gave up FOH mixing 5 or 6 years ago (Nexo, Crown, Allen & Heath).

    • @jtn191
      @jtn191 Před 8 lety

      +UNENSLAVER haha, same here. nice to hear Dave figure out my domain

    • @Subparanon
      @Subparanon Před 8 lety +4

      +erikdravn I thought I was watching snuff porn though. He said they put it back together when they were done so it's cool.

  • @RODALCO2007
    @RODALCO2007 Před 8 lety +4

    Interesting video, very nicely built device. Thanks for showing.

  • @c.m.bigbee6115
    @c.m.bigbee6115 Před 8 lety +1

    I have the baby brother to this console (mc2403) and was incredibly interested in this video. It is so neat to have someone who really understands electronics dissecting the various functions even when he has no clue how to use, or even the purpose of some of the parts. Amazing, now I want to experiment with my own board more.

  • @upstageshowsystems
    @upstageshowsystems Před 8 lety +7

    These consoles though they look quite impressive were built as a low cost alternative to there PM series (PM4000) which were one of the industry standard touring desks.

  • @Entarra
    @Entarra Před 8 lety

    Such a gorgeous piece of tech, if bloody massive

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff Před 8 lety +43

    I'd thin that big-ass ground strapping is more about signal integrity than current

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  Před 8 lety +9

      +mikeselectricstuff Well, yes, not actual current handling ability, as we are only talking a few amps which a connector pin or two could handle. But getting extremely low drop over big distances at those currents requires those big strappings for low impedance.

    • @WouterWeggelaar
      @WouterWeggelaar Před 8 lety +4

      +EEVblog They are indeed there for signal integrity. My Allen&Heath mixer has one big strip going along the whole board (only 24 channels).

    •  Před 8 lety +1

      +mikeselectricstuff You are alright Mike, and to avoid ground loops too.

    • @Si1983h
      @Si1983h Před 8 lety +2

      +Wouter Weggelaar And I'd much rather have the Allen & Heath too. Much better sounding and better built desks than Yamaha. At this level the boards should all be fibreglass and all sliders and pots should me mounted on discreet channel strips for serviceability.

    • @cnvogel
      @cnvogel Před 8 lety +2

      +mikeselectricstuff If you look into the service manual the big copper strapping is labeled "SUM-GND". It's not only the power-return but also the reference voltage for the busses (the summing junction).
      Some boards do the sensible thing and have separate ground-reference pins on their bus connectors, thereby decoupling power distribution from the signal-reference. But probably copper was much cheaper when this board was built ;-).

  • @1a3b5c7d8e
    @1a3b5c7d8e Před 8 lety +14

    ST = Stereo
    Insert = Place an external bit of equipment in line with whats in already.
    Dave if you've got any questions just ask, my job is to operate them.

    • @hingeslevers
      @hingeslevers Před 8 lety +13

      +Cameron Marks I have a suspicion that you're not the only sound engineer in this crowd ;)

    • @Foxwolf9Tails
      @Foxwolf9Tails Před 8 lety

      +hingeslevers Oh, he's not, I am as well.

    • @lightaces
      @lightaces Před 8 lety

      +hingeslevers
      Well, I'm a former, but yeah, definitely not.

    • @getrolli469
      @getrolli469 Před 8 lety +6

      +hingeslevers
      I played with Winamp equalizer plugin in the 90s, does that count ?!

    • @getrolli469
      @getrolli469 Před 8 lety

      +Ge Trolli sure

  • @hydrolisk1792
    @hydrolisk1792 Před 8 lety +1

    Always wanted to take one of those apart and see how it worked :) Cheers mate for the video!!! I could build so much stuff with that thing.

  • @memriloc
    @memriloc Před 7 lety

    this is right up my ally, thanks for sharing man.

  • @johnparker7299
    @johnparker7299 Před 7 lety

    Thanks, I've picked one up and doing some service work on it now.

  • @mrpnzl
    @mrpnzl Před 8 lety +2

    Hi Dave, the SSM2018 is made by Analog Devices and is a Trimless Voltage Controlled Amplifier. I had a friend that was into designing custom audio equipment so I recognized the part number.
    Really enjoyed the teardown, don't often get to see gear bigger than yourself!

  • @SonicOrbStudios
    @SonicOrbStudios Před 8 lety

    That is one sexy mixing console, gotta love Yamaha mixers!

  • @welsh_viewer5913
    @welsh_viewer5913 Před 8 lety

    Excellent. Thanks Dave.

  • @macarena3184
    @macarena3184 Před 8 lety

    I love how for the first time, I know more about a product on the EEV-Blog than Dave. At least about how you use it ;)

  • @stonail665
    @stonail665 Před 8 lety

    That's what I needed:
    Top tier teardown.

  • @qwertyFUBAR
    @qwertyFUBAR Před 4 lety

    Having worked a PM1000 16x4 I can attest these are sweet machines in every possible way. Smooth sliders with rubber rollers on the back, contoured knobs you can tweak in the dark with full confidence, not many machines out there you can operate completely by touch like these.

  • @tiltedstudio
    @tiltedstudio Před 8 lety +1

    VCA = Voltage Controlled Amplifier. In this mixer, this facilitates mixing multiple channels using a single fader. Helpful for grouping drums, etc.

  • @saberpeep
    @saberpeep Před 8 lety

    I love these big teardowns

  • @DragonworksProductions

    when the video first started, I thought, that's small then Dave pops up then mind blown, that's huge!

  • @pepe6666
    @pepe6666 Před 8 lety

    thanks dave - killer content once again. got a lot out of this video.

  • @Elfnetdesigns
    @Elfnetdesigns Před 8 lety +1

    The arrays above the channel gain sliders are for individual monitor levels. The talk-back is so the board operator can talk through the PA system to the crew or to the performers during rehearsals . Talk-back is not widely used anymore except in garage / bar bands where the musicians are all sound engineers lol, and has been replaces by portable two-way radios. Performers no longer call the shots on how a system is mixed and EQ'ed either like they use to, it is all on the ears of the tech, like it should be..
    That sports venue got the hard metal shaft from the sound company who sold them that thing, EPIC OVERKILL

  • @PoliticalDestruction
    @PoliticalDestruction Před 8 lety +1

    I've been waiting for you to dissect some audio gear!

  • @MsHUGSaLOT
    @MsHUGSaLOT Před 8 lety +7

    another reason to shield those relays is to not cause noise inducting into the audio channels. clicks, pops, and interruptions.

  • @AriannaEuryaleMusic
    @AriannaEuryaleMusic Před 8 lety

    Dissection of the Mixing console of my dreams..
    Yep The knobs are hypnotizing.

  • @Nicos_archive
    @Nicos_archive Před 8 lety +3

    I had a 48 channel analog mixing console once. I used it for Skype. :/

  • @RoyHess666
    @RoyHess666 Před 8 lety

    Clicked the like button within 8 seconds from video start because of nice introduction :)

  • @djrobwilliam1673
    @djrobwilliam1673 Před 6 lety +1

    love this one.. please do some more on musical equipment.

  • @stonehartfloydfan
    @stonehartfloydfan Před 8 lety

    I know that desk very well.. I trained on a PM3000 back in the 90's and used the M3000 often enough over the years ... seeing this makes me feel kind of old lol

  • @Subparanon
    @Subparanon Před 8 lety

    The insert jack on each channel is a TRS (tip, ring, sleeve) connection that allows a single cable to be both input and output. You use them to send a channel to an effects chain and then loop it back into the mixer. It's like a stereo headphone connector with one channel being an output, and one being an input.

  • @7head7metal7
    @7head7metal7 Před 8 lety +1

    You can't imagine, how excited I am to watch this video! I'm sort of a selfmade Audio Engineer, and love to tear down my equipment, repair it or develop my own stuff. This is so inspiring!
    My Yamaha 01V Digital Mixer was really nice to tear down, Yamaha clearly knows how to make their stuff servicable. really nice system engineering! This bad boy on the other hand looks a lot more challenging :D At that size it's really hard to make it servicable.
    The phantom power caps where the only part that died so far in my 01V, they were only rated for about 50V, sadly that seems to be "okay" to save cost.
    The SILs from JRC are often used in Yamaha mixers I saw so far, they seem to prever SIL-packages, e.g. for their DM2000 digital console. 5532 are not that often used there, I guess, maybe for saving space.
    For me personally, this was one of your most interesting videos, even without you knowing everything about it while filming. Thank you, I really liked it!

  • @Y0urpants
    @Y0urpants Před 8 lety

    What a nice console! I've been working doing monitors on an Crest HP-EIGHT 32, but moving up to something like this would be fantastic. Except lugging it around of course!

  • @Willam_J
    @Willam_J Před 7 lety

    I just picked up a 16 channel Tascam recording board today for some small home recording projects. The guy I bought it from purchased it brand new in 2011, opened the box to make sure that everything was there and then never got around to using it. When I say this thing is in brand new condition, I'm not kidding. The plastic bag covering it was still taped closed and the power supply cables still had those twisty things on them to keep them bundled. The best part..... I got it for $65 US. (Deal of the century!) I was feeling pretty good about my new board until I clicked on this video. Now I want to go kick it. LOL I'll just go play with some faders on my 32 chan live board to make myself feel better. :-)

  • @cdw4255
    @cdw4255 Před 8 lety

    That's an entry level, very entry level, touring desk. The upper end consoles have individual modules that you can remove on a singular basis for repair, replacement, or even reconfiguration.

  • @lightaces
    @lightaces Před 8 lety +3

    I learned live mixing on this thing's big brother, the PM3000 (and later, the next generation PM4000). The PM's are even more modular, in that each individual channel can come out and be replaced on it's own, and you can get mono or stereo modules.
    The Matrix sends are used for a lot of things; sends to time based effects (reverb, delay, etc.), monitor mixers so the players on stage can hear each other, delay clusters (speaker clusters placed further back in the room, and delayed to match the mains - this is to fill dead spots in the room, and is pretty uncommon these days, as everyone else seems to love line arrays), and sub-mixing things like drum sets (though on a console like this, you are more likely to use the VCA's).
    VCA's are control groups. You assign the individual channels to the central VCA faders, and you can control the channels in groups. They have VCA group mutes as well. On this generation, the scene memories usually just dealt with the VCA groups. So, you mix the drums, and assign them all to (say) VCA 1, and you can control the overall drum level with one fader. You can also use one of the matrix busses for this, but the extra summing will usually add more noise than you really want.
    The stereo channels are mostly used for effects returns.
    Inserts are for amplitude effects (compression, mostly, and noise gates).
    The mic input in the mains section (the center section) is for a talk back mic, so you can communicate with the stage during sound check.
    40 channels of noise (and 20 mix busses) adds up quickly - the shielding on the relays is not optional! Keeping the noise floor below 90dB is tough! That's a big part of the external power supply too - internal power supplies just don't work on boards this big!!!
    Yamaha boards have a mixed reputation - some people love them, because they are very clean, and basically do exactly what you tell them to, with out coloring the sound. The EQ's are considered by many sound engineers to be rather sterile. I tend to think it is just a matter of preference. I think they sound great for jazz, classical, or corporate talk talk gigs. Not great for rock and roll, though! What they really do, though, is expose the mixer's skill level - you get out what you put in, and if you know what you are doing it will do exactly what you tell it to do. A lot less forgiving than some boards if you aren't so skilled!
    It's not a baby, but it is a mid-level professional console, and a 20-30 year old design at that. These days, everything is digital, and EVERY promoter is constantly arguing for smaller and smaller footprints at front of house. Still, back in the day, those boards probably did more events than any of the higher end consoles, and while they are not quite as versatile as a 4k or Midas XL4, it probably cost about a quarter of the cash, and they sound pretty decent.

    • @BenFranske
      @BenFranske Před 8 lety

      The good old days with the PM4000 when you had to tear out the channel strips between songs and hose them down with contact cleaner...

    • @lightaces
      @lightaces Před 8 lety

      Regular scheduled maintenance, my friend, regular scheduled maintenance. We used to clean our patch bays every six months. Sure, it's a pain, but it sure helps avoid problems.

  • @theLuigiFan0007Productions

    That 7805 5V rail made me smile. Simplicity at it's finest.
    But really, I gotta say, this thing has some seriously complex analog mixing circuitry put into it.
    Very well engineered. Seems fairly straightforward to service as well.
    +1 to Yamaha. Yamaha FTW!

  • @stevenallen512
    @stevenallen512 Před 8 lety +67

    Loved this video. Many of your videos go right over my head, but with this one I found myself yelling at the screen trying to tell you what stuff was and why it was like that.
    I do live sound (not to mention lighting, etc), I'd really like to see your reaction to the insides of some other consoles.
    There is a BIG reason having things modular is key, if something dies before a show or during a show and you NEED it, it is not unheard of to open up the console and start having at it, swapping parts, making spot repairs at the component level even.
    I remember killing a section of a console mid-show (at a music festival) during a small act to repair a section of the console live. Had consoles open mid show far too many times.

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  Před 8 lety +25

      +Steven Allen Live on-site repair during a show, awesome!

    • @stevenallen512
      @stevenallen512 Před 8 lety +14

      EEVblog yes indeed. Gotta do our best to make sure the show goes on! Thank god the better consoles are very modular.
      A soldering iron inside a console on site is a bit of a nerve racking thing I'd say.

    • @PrinceWesterburg
      @PrinceWesterburg Před 8 lety +12

      +Steven Allen You should get a fake pair of legs (i.e. jeans bottoms and boots), lift a section and stuff that in. Any one complains just say "The guys in there now working on it!"

    • @MetalDEmpire
      @MetalDEmpire Před 8 lety +2

      +Steven Allen As an Audio Engineer myself, its really interesting to see the internals of a board, although I cringed at the idea of tearing a board apart. Regardless, cool to know the things buried within!

    • @stevenallen512
      @stevenallen512 Před 8 lety

      45redrooster
      Completely agree... I have an old Soundcraft Spirit Studio that I've had to tear apart to get working fully again. Too bad the thing was way too much of a pain in the butt to transport most of the time for me lol

  • @jellybean7253
    @jellybean7253 Před 5 lety

    Three years late here, but...
    It was fun to see this blast from the past. In my career I kind of skipped right over the 3000 series and went from the 2K to the 4K and then the 5K. Now, of course, everything is digital and these old workhorses are rarely seen.
    Anyhow, it was really fun to read all the comments about what this and that does. We used to take the opener's console into the sub-in's so that we could use the same monitors while keeping the opening band engineers from messing up our mix on the headliners console.
    Inserts on the outputs were, 99% of the time, used for EQ's to keep the feedback to a minimum.
    As far as inserts on the inputs, I saw a lot of people here that had "absolute" ideas about how dynamics, eq, and effects should be handled. I'm guessing they are pretty linear thinkers. I would suggest that they open their minds to the endless ways of making sound great (again!) Sorry! Couldn't help myself...
    I will tell you that I have seen every variation on a theme that you could think of with inserts and how to use them. There is no wrong way to do things if it works for you and your artist. Thanks Dave. Great stuff.

  • @yabgu79
    @yabgu79 Před 8 lety +15

    This would be the best answer to "why digital" questions

    • @mrjazzycharon2
      @mrjazzycharon2 Před 8 lety

      I agree!

    • @asdf155
      @asdf155 Před 8 lety +2

      +Abdurrahim Cakar Also analog EQ creates phase shifts between different frequencies leading to quite a bit of distortion if not compensated properly. You don't have that effect in a digital mixer. Width 24 bit resolution and 96 kHz sample rate being standard you don't have any noticeable signal degradation due to the digitization itself.

    • @AAAZ2A
      @AAAZ2A Před 8 lety +4

      +Abdurrahim Cakar I'd exchange my laptop for one of these any day :)

    • @janvomocil4534
      @janvomocil4534 Před 8 lety +5

      why digital ? "every idiot can count to one"!! :DD

    • @MrTridac
      @MrTridac Před 8 lety +1

      +Jan Vomočil
      Why Digital ? Because there's no room for noise between 0 and 1 !!

  • @wadehicks9270
    @wadehicks9270 Před 8 lety

    That's huge wow!! I serviced one that I don't recall how many ch it was I think either 28 or 38 it's been a long time ago. It was at a big Baptist church I went picked it up for service. Had broke connections on the sliders where they were putting their weight on the controls hooking stuff up in the back of it Lotta contact cleaner went into that thing.

  • @slowgold20
    @slowgold20 Před 8 lety +24

    I find its usually the mute buttons that go first... some guys just hammer down on those and they just die

    • @skuker
      @skuker Před 8 lety

      +Julian Amrine It's usually the pot's that go first on yamaha's they get nice and scratchy, a couple twists and they're usually fine

    • @lightaces
      @lightaces Před 8 lety +4

      +Scott Kuker
      Not if you keep on top of your scheduled maintenance. The PM3K I learned on was 20 years old, with about 200-250 shows a year, and had most of it's original faders, and none of them were scratchy. The ones which were replaced were because the whole channel had been replaced, usually because of a bad pot or VCA. Clean and lube your faders every year or so!

    • @bigredlevy
      @bigredlevy Před 8 lety

      +Scott Kuker spray deoxit (electrical contact cleaner) into your pots and switches. just dont use on faders, as they are open and attract dust.

    • @djscrizzle
      @djscrizzle Před 7 lety

      Even better, use the liquids CaigLube/DeOxit! F5 and DeOxIt! 100% that comes in the bottle with the brush/needle tip. That way, you're not putting chemical where it's not needed. Less waste = more useful product.

  • @theteenageengineer
    @theteenageengineer Před rokem +1

    These things are really impressive I've been working with analog audio consoles for most of my life but these things are being phased out for digital consoles which are smaller, can handle more channels and have some really cool features. But analog consoles are still the way to go if you want cheap. Yamaha's flagship digital console the CL5 retails for $26,000 US dollars and its little brother the QL5 retails for $16,000, you can get an analog console for so much cheaper. The other thing to keep in mind here is servicablity, this thing was designed to be serviced by roadies because they don't have time to have a piece of equipment down for weeks due to repair. This way they can quickly replace a module and do regular maintnce in 1 to 2 hours rather than 1 to 2 weeks. The parts are very likey made by JRC since that was Yamaha's go to supplier for things of this era. The CL5 and QL5 take inspiration from this console with the matrix system. Normally analog audio consoles indivual channel knobs go as follows: Gain, AUX send 1-4 and somtimes 5 and 6, High EQ, High Mid EQ, Low Mid EQ, Low EQ, Pan, and then mute, fader and fader send. AUX sends are just a way to send audio to another source becides the main output, and they can be either pre fader or post fader, pre fader meaning that the signal leaves the AUX send before it goes to the fader and post fader meaning it leaves the AUX send after it leaves the fader.

  • @RobiSydney
    @RobiSydney Před 8 lety

    I've worked on a M5000 with the motor driven sliders. BIG board!

  • @wdavem
    @wdavem Před 8 lety

    Glad to see you used your skin's 'snapshot learn/store' function to capture all the knob and fader settings before you took it apart.

  • @tomz9338
    @tomz9338 Před 8 lety

    You are a great teacher. Thanks!!!

  • @ym160
    @ym160 Před 8 lety

    When I was a senior in high school my buddy asked me to help do the mixing of the school play and I get there that night and none of the other sound guys could make it. I had to learn how to use that machine and mix everyone on stage and the pit band, which is a job meant for 3 people.

  • @dave1the1deer1hunter
    @dave1the1deer1hunter Před 8 lety

    That is a thing of beauty

  • @AndyMac
    @AndyMac Před 8 lety +4

    Best. Teardown. Ever! I actually understood most of it for once! :-)

  • @somethingelse2lookat502

    That was fascinating. Just as complex as one might think they are inside.

  • @notionSunday
    @notionSunday Před 8 lety

    Good video. A boat load of salvageable parts from that one.

  • @rosendigitalaudioinc.3953

    Hey Dave,
    Coming from a synth world, that SSM chip is a VCA chip.
    SSM made many DIP package solutions to common circuits in music electronics. Most notably, SSM made oscillators and filters that were used in many famous synthesizers such as the Korg Polysix and Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 Rev 2.
    Along with SSM, Curtis Electro Music (CEM) also made similar chips that often replaced the SSM chips in later model revisions.
    Would be cool to see a synthesizer teardown from you!

  • @lucianoalberto4760
    @lucianoalberto4760 Před 8 lety

    Had two 24ch analog board before we went to pro tools and their consoles, the PSU was serious business! Rackmount like you said, a huge monster. A diode kept burning out every now and then and it needed to be repaired. That 40 channel one must be an even bigger monster :O

    • @PeterWalkerHP16c
      @PeterWalkerHP16c Před 8 lety

      +Luciano Alberto That Pro Tools S5 Fusion desk doesn't look a whole lot smaller !!
      :-)

  • @helldriver85
    @helldriver85 Před 8 lety +1

    With the "scene memory" you can program mute scenes, so you recall which channel is muted which unmuted. Same works with mute groups, you can mute/unmute multiply channels using one button

  • @TheBrightPixel
    @TheBrightPixel Před 8 lety +6

    For someone who has no idea how this works going in, you did pretty damn good job of figuring most of it out. Really enjoyed this vid!

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  Před 8 lety

      +The Bright Pixel Thanks.

  • @Shawn_White
    @Shawn_White Před 8 lety

    I thought that was on your bench until you jumped up behind it. Man that thing's huge.

  • @djhenjin3425
    @djhenjin3425 Před 8 lety +9

    Dave: in the master section where you mentioned that the board to board interconnects are not continued on the right edge of the board, had you looked up at the master section you would have seen that there is a board which hangs down into that space. and as such it was for clearance. if it was not for clearance I would think the copper bus bar would have been straight across rather than dipped way below the boards.

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  Před 8 lety +6

      +David Nelson Ah, ok, of course!

    • @tacojiminez7243
      @tacojiminez7243 Před 8 lety

      +David Nelson It's also likely that the board was designed for multiple form factors. Mixers tend to be pretty modular in construction, as this video demonstrates really well.

    • @ickipoo
      @ickipoo Před 8 lety

      Looks to me like the board that hangs down is the scene logic - potentially the bus board came from an older model without scene control.

  • @joshmaday1462
    @joshmaday1462 Před 8 lety

    I loved the series you did with Doug Ford on mic design. It would be awesome if you could get with someone from the audio world and talk filters, gain structures, etc from an electrical perspective

  • @PeterWalkerHP16c
    @PeterWalkerHP16c Před 8 lety

    In 1986 I built the (Jaycar?) 16 channel mixer kit. Boy, was that ever a job of work.
    Used with a couple of 300W MOSFET power amp kits also from Jaycar.
    Once debugged, it wasn't a bad piece of kit.

  • @InteliWasp
    @InteliWasp Před 8 lety

    The split in the bus board is the traditional right side end to a mixer, so the channels to the right are addons.

  • @whitcwa
    @whitcwa Před 8 lety

    You're right about fader maintenance. We had a 64 fader SSL console which needed fader service after ten years. Electrically, they were fine, but they started to stick slightly. Each week, I would remove a few of the Penny & Giles faders, disassemble, clean, lube, reassemble, test and reinstall them. It took about 2 hours for each.

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  Před 8 lety

      +Chris W Each week?!

    • @whitcwa
      @whitcwa Před 8 lety

      I only did a few faders each week. It took many months to complete.

  • @topfkopf666
    @topfkopf666 Před 8 lety

    KNOBS!!! As a sound engineer this teardown almost made me cry ;)

    • @ppdan
      @ppdan Před 3 lety

      Yeah, was also my first thought but when I saw how "crusty" those faders look (pots have probably also had it), this console should have been retired a while ago and wasn't worth it anymore (at least not in that price range)

  • @redd_cat
    @redd_cat Před 8 lety

    Never have I seen a man so excited about loads of knobs in front of him.

  • @deadbrad
    @deadbrad Před 8 lety

    Hi Dave, Thanks for the awesome videos, Really enjoyed most of them.
    Can I make a suggestion / request? When you overlay component specs etc, could you fade them out? It's be great to know if I have to hit pause to finish digesting the info.
    Cheers.

  • @deiancosas
    @deiancosas Před 8 lety

    Awesome intro!

  • @jj74qformerlyjailbreak3

    I’m making my own sound. My own music. My own creativity. Having something like this to use or completely harvest parts from would make my Thinker Tickle.

  • @emprsnm9903
    @emprsnm9903 Před 4 lety

    Neat teardown Dave! Thinking it over, a power supply for it wouldn't be too hard to cludge together. The power requirements aren't ridiculous. Hope it found a good home and not the scrap, as with that many channels, it was mostly still in woking order I'd wager. And only ~15yo. My Yamaha Clavinova is older, and going strong!

  • @ok_engineer
    @ok_engineer Před 8 lety

    The relays are for the "scene" feature. Scene allows you to create, well, scenes with certain channels muted or open. By switching to the next scene, specified channels are muted or unmuted.

  • @nmbdk4955
    @nmbdk4955 Před 8 lety +1

    It's really interesting to see all this audio-gear! Especially for an upcoming electronics engineer who wants to work in the audio industry ;)

  • @krisztianszirtes5414
    @krisztianszirtes5414 Před 8 lety

    30:25 Well, I have seen one mounted on the writing head as a heatsink in a Sharp VHS once, so I am not surprised by 7805s popping up here and there since a long time...

  • @Georges3DPrinters
    @Georges3DPrinters Před 8 lety +3

    that little weird stop with the bottom board and the bends in ground strap and wires is only for clearance of the board that you swung up.

  • @Audio_Simon
    @Audio_Simon Před 7 lety

    That Analog Devices chip ssm2018 will be a balanced to singe-ended converter or vice vera with laser trimmed resistors for optimum common mode rejection / phase balance.
    The grounding is the amazing this in kit like this! Keeping every signal route clean with noise -100dB is not trivial even with far simpiler circuits.

  • @PeterCCamilleri
    @PeterCCamilleri Před 8 lety +4

    I think the relays are shielded to prevent the switching magnetic fields from inducing pulses of current into the signal path of nearby wires.

    • @ydonl
      @ydonl Před 5 lety

      I would think a small click in a signal being amplified by tens of thousands of watts and pumped through scores of speakers might be a life-changing experience.

  • @CSO3DOnline
    @CSO3DOnline Před 8 lety +25

    dat tripod fail
    priceless 😂

    • @MaxKoschuh
      @MaxKoschuh Před 8 lety +2

      +~☆ XzCraftP ☺♂ reminds me on scary movie: "One day I will build my own tripods,.... with four legs"

    • @jordanjohnson714
      @jordanjohnson714 Před 8 lety

      +Max Koschuh Then it wouldn't be a tripod, rather a quadpod

    • @aserta
      @aserta Před 8 lety +2

      +~☆ XzCraftP ☺♂ Someone send Dave one of these i.imgur.com/l73a4wu.jpg

    • @jope7137
      @jope7137 Před 8 lety +1

      +Jordan Johnson (Mighty Burger)
      That's the core of the joke.

  • @TheEPROM9
    @TheEPROM9 Před 8 lety

    My school upgraded theirs back in the day when I was in year 8, I just took one module as they were all the same. It was from the 1970s and used LED VU meters and Op amps to drive them, I think I still do have some of the boards, but several years ago I desolderered the components on the bulk of them. I was pretty good at shoving busted electronics in my bag, but this was far to big and heavy for mine.

  • @Bodragon
    @Bodragon Před 7 lety

    FANTASTIC VID. I really lament the fact that something like CZcams wasn't around when I was doing my electrical, - electrical mind you, - training. Gold plated. What else can I say?

  • @QR_Code
    @QR_Code Před 8 lety

    damn bro, mixing consoles is one of my loves..haha didnt know you did teardowns on stuff this size. not exactly a multimeter 😃

  • @matthewcreelman2736
    @matthewcreelman2736 Před rokem

    The SSM2018 is a VCA (Voltage controlled Amplifier). I work on Analog Synth Keyboards that use other SSM chips

  • @ilanmagen
    @ilanmagen Před 8 lety

    One of the best

  • @clementcarriol3912
    @clementcarriol3912 Před 6 lety

    Insert I/O = INSERT In & OUT. Use a TRS ---> TS/TS . TRS jack goes into the insert plug at the back of your consol and the 2 TS jacks go into INPUT & OUTPUT of your external device ( Noise gate, compressor, or whatever you want in your channel path)

  • @W4BIN
    @W4BIN Před 8 lety

    The huge copper straps and the shields on the relays are for the same reason to be able to meet the noise specifications. (relays pop on release)

  • @Doom2pro
    @Doom2pro Před 8 lety

    Dave is so badass he can knock his camera onto the ground if it gets in his way... It's what he does.

  • @minks007
    @minks007 Před 8 lety

    i have no idea what he is on about, but still,.. amazing :).
    great video

  • @QR_Code
    @QR_Code Před 8 lety

    dave the mix inserts are to "patch in" outboard gear..mainly dynamics processing like compressors, etc

  • @CameronHeard
    @CameronHeard Před 8 lety +1

    It's funny to see how these big guys have been replaced by things as small as the X32 by Behringer.
    But the x32 does loads of good on the ol' back! (Seasonal job is a Live Sound Engineer)

  • @Geeky907
    @Geeky907 Před 8 lety

    Dave, Many of thease boards are CTO, so there's alot of "Modularity" to them, I've seen that same board witthout the channels to the right of the master section. That yamaha is actually one of the "BMW's of its age" Although very clean sounding board, not very complex in comparison to others in its same vintage. even for a FOH board. There's even Field retrofit kits for some consoles to allow you to move your mains section around in the frame or to add aditional features. Great tear-down tho.... Love to see ya tear its powersupply apart.... those things were EPIC