Questionable Exotic Armor Buffs, Nerfs, And Reworks Coming In Final Shape
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I go over the upcoming changes to some exotic armor pieces in Final Shape. The core of the changes has to do with Prismatic, but I'm not sure if they are enough to get excited about.
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I used the top 3 ugliest ones in my Thumbnail. What do you guys think about these changes?
Feel kind of like that thumbnail
I'm glad your back and healthy brother.
I'm fine with changes.. it forces us to switch up how we play👏🏽. forcing me to get better.
Overall positive with some questionable changes. The only change that made me just go "But...why?" was the Severance Enclosure nerf. The justification made no sense and it's such an unused, albeit decent exotic.
All the other changes I could at least wrap my head around even if I disagreed.
How is eternal warrior ugly
They kind of didn’t touch on any exotics I hope they would like the helm of Saint 14, icefall mantle and controverts holds
Yeah these changes were remarkably underwhelming, Mask of the Quiet one crying in the corner
Crying quietly, again with other crzppy exotics
Crying with most of the titan exotics.
Mask of the Quiet One looks absolutely dope, and I would love to run it if it was actually viable whatsoever. It's a shame that it will never get any love.
@@GryphinHuskylooks cool at 1st but unfortunately been power creep since one eye mask came out.
@@epicwuexcaliburumbra1736Mask of the quiet one wasnt even good when it came out. It has the same reputation as eye of another world in year 1. Which wasn't great at the time. People wouldn't look at you weird if you used it tho. But the second forsaken came out it was left in the dust. And I'm not entirely sure it wasn't already power crept before that.
These changes did absolutely nothing. Underpowered exotics that haven’t been used in years will remain as such. And the meta load outs will remain meta, but just less fun. What’s the point of this?
Updates for prismatic obviously. Use your brain
@@lemontonk except the abilities that are getting buffs for prismatic are still gonna be absolute crap because the changes were inconsequential
If you notice at the beginning of the article they say it's only some of the changes. And if you've noticed they only outline a few things in the preview articles and then in the official patch notes you'll get a bit more.
Like when celestial nighthawk got updated, in the preview article they never mentioned the damage buff it was getting. But in the official patch notes it noted celestial getting a 25% buff.
@@ThePackman627Interesting take. Didn’t really think of that.
The majority of changes were done to allow exotics to function with prismatic. I’m curious to see if any other changes are being kept until release.
It deems like it’s almost purely just updates for compatibility with prismatic, there might always be more they dont tell us about, like the other person’s example mentioned wasnt the first time they buffed stuff but didnt tell us everything
9:00 The nerf to Sunbracers affects the buff to duration it gives to solar grenades. If you didn't know, before, Sunbracers increased the duration of solar grenades from 4 seconds to 8 seconds, which is pretty crazy. Now, after the nerf, it will go to 6 seconds. Not as harsh a nerf as you think.
100% agree. Sunbracers were bugged in the past when they didn’t increase the duration of a solar grenade at all. It was still good, this is a slap on the wrist
Only being able to throw 4 on a snap is a pretty serious setback. The plasma 'nades need lots of help to be good. It's not quite the Starfire sentence, but it's pretty bad.
@@dougcarey2233 it’s not serious. If you run the right mods and fragments, you will have to make a major mistake to not have your melee back after throwing your grenades.
@@dougcarey2233 Starfire is actually not bad. It just doesn't melt bosses anymore
You're going from a cumulative 40 seconds of grenade damage to 24 seconds. It's pretty harsh, though I think it's probably still the dominant exotic.
I was really bummed by severance enclosure. I’ve always loved the idea of it and finally made a solar bonk titan build with it. I’ve been having a blast in onslaught. But these two knocks (line of sight and only spent melee charge) completely take the wind out from underneath this exotic. It didn’t have much to start with and I felt like it was just fine. Seems like I was just beginning to understand it, now I have no use for it. Thanks, Bungie…
Lucky pants sees a 10% damage nerf for bosses with kinetic hand cannons.
Along with the loss of spec mods for Warden's builds
That's only for special kinetics , also they compensated with the loss of mods
@@zackreph939it‘s just 2% less
@@pooPbutwhole Hand cannons are getting a 5% buff vs red bars only, no buff vs all combatants, so 8% less vs bosses w/o spec
@@zackreph939 oh, bruh
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That solar grenade duration change for Sunbracers is a change to the INCREASE.
With the Touch of Flame increase on top of the base duration, they’ll still be sticking around for a while.
With the well changes you should still be able to kill guardians in a well with a solar grenade.
Yep, now solar nades will go from 10 to 8 seconds, wow how impactful /s
Pulse grenades with the jolt aspect will wipe out a well even faster now
Yet again no mention of Icefall Mantle with Frost Armor
They reworked renewals because the benefits are at least somewhat close to each other and you can argue it's a sidegrade by now being able to leave the duskfield and keep the buff. You would outright gut icefall by shoehorning in frost armor though
It's an 18% dr buff at x5 vs the current 100hp overshield with 62.5% dr. You'd kill the exotic by replacing either benefit with FA
@@Piekace I'd give up that DR it currently gives if they removed the slow, and added max Frost armor stacks on activation so it would synergize with a build rather than just being there. Rather than the flat DR and overshield, Frost Armor with fragments and with other players you could keep that DR going for a long time if not indefinitely. Lost all your stacks while moving from a damage phase? Reactivate and get max stacks rolling again. Although now that I've typed that out, that's probably the reason they didn't touch it.
Icefall Mantle in it's current form is niche at best, PVP and maybe the odd lost sector. I don't know of any time anyone has or would ever use it in a raid environment or GM's. Ah, another exotic relegated to obscurity like No back up plans and MK.44.
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Im shocked they didnt even mention Icefall Mantle. Since they gave Renewal grasps frost armor...Icefall Mantle no?
Honestly, I'm thoroughly *whelmed* by the Exotic armour changes they previewed. Sure, some okay buffs, some small nerfs, and some adjustments to make stuff work with Prismatic, whatever. The ability to get an Artifice slot on Exotics is neat, I guess.
The suite of Stasis changes they previewed, I'm actually kinda excited about, to be honest (for PvE). I still don't know if I like that they buffed and slightly nerfed Bubble at base just because Well was grossly overtuned and has been since Forsaken, tbh - on the one hand, HoS-14 might finally get some use, but on the other hand.. what Datto said is true: we just don't really *need* that kind of a defensively-focused Super. The rest of the ability changes are mostly just okay, but I do like the Knockout change. The line that is effectively a warning about Titans being able to generate way more orbs off of Heavy Handed than they have melee charges (smol hammer aside) is sad, but relatively understandable.
[Edit:] The raid mods change is actually huge for making them usable, though you do still have to sacrifice all of your Legendary armour Artifice slots just to use them, because they're on that raid's armour only.
These changes just don't move the needle enough for me imo. Sure, some of the best things are nerfed a bit, but the same best subclasses and exotics are still going to be the best, and the same worst subclasses and exotics are, you guessed it, going to be the worst. It all almost feels pointless to me.
Re: Sunbracers - bonus duration reduced to 2s for Solar Grenades, not total duration reduced to 2s
Yup, I noticed a lot of people are misunderstanding that.
The grenade itself will last 2 seconds less. You still have 5 seconds to throw 4 (down from 5) grenades.
I don’t know why that’s so hard to grasp
100% agree on frost armor vs woven mail. Why should the buff that you have to stack overtime still be worse than the buff that instantly gets its max benefits. Imo frost armor should have a higher dr% after 5 stacks
Uptime is going to be the key difference. Woven mail uptime is going to be much lower now that thread of warding only gives 5 seconds of woven mail instead of 10 seconds.
Stasis shards are very easy to make, and are made for everyone, and there are even new ways to make them altogether.
Yeah, the difference is potency versus duration. Woven Mail is larger for a short time, while Frost Armor is smaller for a long time.
@@joshtenney4143 Orbs of Power and Tangles are still easier to make than Crystals imo. Titans have no reason to use Frost Armor unless they are stacking it on top of Woven Mail.
Because frost armor has much more ways to actually gain it and has more uptime. Woven mail after the nerf will only be 5 seconds of dr excluding cytarchnes and into the fray.
Frost armor has potentially permanent uptime with things like renewals and fragments, and renewals gives it to your entire team. And they said nothing about removing the damage reduction, they specifically said the damage resist was replaced.
You'll have it nonstop, and it Grant's health/melee energy.
I really think its some really inconsequential uninspired changes.
frankly already feel like the armor team has stagnated a lot with their patches lately. For every good one like pyrogale we get 3 barely usable exotics. we need a full on exotic repass that isnt just surge pants.
I just wanna say thank you SO MUCH for condensing this down to sub 15 min. Both Cross and fallout’s vids were over an hour each. Ain’t nobody got time for that
Honestly the whole Powered Melee thing is already kept quite in line thanks to mods like Heavy Handed, in which you need 3 of them (costing 9 energy btw) to let you effectively make an orb every second. Secondly Titans are the only ones outside of Arc Hunter that have an on demand powered melee that behaves that way so not just Knockout but Offensive Bulwark and Roaring Flames powered melee punches will be affected by this. Thirdly there are a number of grenades that can multikill and benefit from orb mods like Firepower x3 often because they linger (And don't forget "Touch of..." aspects that modify grenade duration in cases) and is further exacerbated with a player that knows where to put them but most melees don't do that, at all. Name me a powered melee that lingers long enough to proc Heavy Handed multiple times because I do not know of one on any class.
Void overshield melees
The three titan melees you mentione can do this...? I'm not sure what you mean there at the end
The severance enclosure nerf was specifically for prismatic. Severance has been ass for years. They buffed it to do two explosions and increased the damage and it finally had a place. But basically what this means is the only way you can use severance now is on prismatic and even still it won't be as useful because they removed its functionality with knockout, offensive bulwark, and roaring flames.
Exotics getting extra stat slot yaaaayyy
It’s gonna be a lot easier to get T34 stat builds now
for the power melee change with assassins cowl.... i hope that doesnt mess it up using it on strand with grapple punch, it was fun zooming around punching then going invisible
While yes, the Renewal Grasp change in the Armor tuning is unclear about how the rework is happening, the Ability Tuning Page clarifies "Replaced generic damage resistance with Frost Armor". This implies that the enemy damage reduction is still unchanged. Also with the header stating "we’ve updated Renewal Grasps and Ballidorse Wrathweavers to directly grant Frost Armor, rather than their own custom damage resistance or Stasis Shard Overshield."
Arachne is also going to be better for singular DR, but Renewal is now going to grant a lasting DR to all teammates and lower enemy damage output even more. I think it will more be a matter of situation and which is better at the time. Personally I think it Renewal is going to be very nice for being in a Well as both buffs will linger when you leave their radius.
Still waiting on secant filaments to be class neutral like they should've been from the get go.
Secants are going to be so much better on prismatic since you have a fragment that gives back class ability while you have a buff active.
Bungie could have been more creative with frost armor. There are alot of damage reduction sources in the game already.
Don't forget the healing.
We lose 70% PvE damage resist and get 36% instead 😞
@@Manstrual where are you getting 70% from?
@@Michael-ee4uzthat’s the guy who did legend onslaught with behemoth Titan, he knows what he’s saying
@@Michael-ee4uz 50% from stasis overshield and 40% from chains, .5 * .6 = .3 = 70% resist
Killing abilities and exotics to make you use the new stuff to make things feel good
It is a pay to win game after all
@@Kratos176 lie but ok
Things that got killed:
Grapple melee DPS strat
6 stack Golden gun chaining
…
Oh wait, literally everything else got buffed or had a nerf that is either unnoticeable or doesn’t change its place in the meta at all..
This guy gets it, old stuff gets nerfed so the new stuff is on demand only to get nerfed when the next new thing comes out
Thank you for this quick and concise summary.
The 2 seconds for solar grenade isn’t the full duration it’s how much EXTRA duration you get from the fragment .
They hit the survivability builds. To me that says they want us havin to use the new stuff like prismatic AND I hope I'm wrong but grind and play their little slot machine(for the new loot) more that previously forcasted. Taking a step back this has very little to do with the game but how much players will be playing it. So one hand we all want new stuff and new is good, on the other is feels a bit underhanded but we will see.
Glad to see you back (after what you shared in your health update); how're you feeling today?
Man, Bungie really cannot abide the existence of an effective melee build.
Also, if you aren't going to rework trash exotics like Mask of the Quiet One or Mk.44 Stand Asides, then just remove them from the game. No one uses them and no one wants to see them drop from an engram.
Also, you don't speak for everyone
@@rebcommando587
He's right, though :/
Severance enclosure did not deserve that change…
@@Cryptic211 100% agree. It was basically a triple nerf: less CC knockback, can be negated by geometry, greatly reduced proc triggers. That's the sort of treatment you give an exotic that is hilariously overpowered--which SE wasn't.
@@christianglassel9950 yea and I was just starting to love it with void, having volatile and the severance explosions are so fun but now it’s just worse (especially for arc and solar because those are much easier to proc than void’s offensive bulwark imo)
What’s crazy is that they said wraithweavers and renewal grasps will be slightly reworked to be frost armor but icefall mantle was left out,
So presumably it’ll keep its generic overshield that makes you unable to run rather than a stacks of frost armor that would actually be more useful.
RIP Behemoth
Why? Because of over shield nerf? I’m just curious
@@KayronTho cryoclasm is sketch and PvE is ruined, pvp is going to be more annoying to micromanage it
Instant slide will always be better to me than charging it in up by sprinting in pvp. No overshield and having a cooldown on stasis shards with tectonic harvest sucks though. Love the melee buffs though. But yeah big rip
@@angusf745 cryoclasm is going to make primary gunplay a pain. Can't slide out of a corner and slide back because of the first long slide, gonna have to full send every gunfight with no choice 😪
@@Manstrual Ah, I understand the nuance
The main way ursa works is unchanged. They added the same trait to the new aspect is all, that mini shield ability that absorbs hits and then the titan throws it forward causing damage in front of them. You can see the ability that is tied to the new aspect in one of the first final shape videos. The exotic perk will now work on banner sheild and this aspect ability.
Yeah, Unbreakable is now just small Ursa. If Twilight Arsenal is any good we might see some Ursa usage for neutral game super gains, otherwise it's just a neat little change to keep all of the void titan blocking abilities covered by Ursa.
I really don't think that they took away the effects they didn't mention. I think the frost armor updates they mention for example where explicitly about deprecating stasis overshield and they didn't mention the other bits because they are the same.
Basically of these changes are just for prismatic.
just so they work with it and those that they chose to be cross class, like sythoceps and star eater, or ones that will work cross subclass with server nice and knockout. And certain under performing choices that will be on the exotic class items like kepris.
Frost armor should have a lower floor that stacks up to a higher ceiling. If woven mail is set to 45% DR, that’s a good baseline. 1 stack of frost armor should give let’s say 7% (we know bungie loves 7s) and stacks up to 5 without a fragment, 35% total. With a fragment should allow it to surpass woven mail let’s say up to 7 or 8 stacks with the DR equating to 49% or 56% respectively. Yes 56% is higher than Void OS or woven mail, but it’s achieved through gaining and maintaining stacks rather than woven’s timer and Void OS’s added health.
Despite frost armour being worse than woven mail it might have a fighting chance. It sounds pretty refresheable and consistent compared to woven mail as you just need to pick up shards. Could be alright with wicked implement
I think the cenotaph hiding the mark for the wearer is just to circumvent home the exotic is coded. Like if you see the marker and the enemy dies, you get heavy, so it’s just to make sure that other cenotaphs don’t get heavy if they also mark it
im confused how ICEFALL MANTLE of all things didn’t get updated with Frost Armor, that was my first thought when they introduced it. It should get Frost and Overshield. Or give it max Frost but take away the lack of movement which is a dumb mechanic anyway. Or while it’s active you get max Frost and no flinch for the duration.
Im glad lucky pants weren’t nerfed. Come the final shape, everyone’s outbreak will be doing similar damage without a cooldown anyway.
Triton vice has been buffed like 5 times and still won't be good. Can they please just either make it stupid strong or just forget about it and buff other more deserving exotics already?
the assassins Cowl destroys (my) Strand Hunter builds. Had huge survivability even in end game. Seems funny one to target while making very mid charges to the well or bubble classes. Play like they want or not at all
Weird, no mention of helm St 14 since it gets weapons of light now, too?
I only rally used Battle Harmony during the Crafening with my Ammit in the Battlegrounds Nightfall. Melting ads and popping Wells left and right. The good ole days...
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There's a list of exotics that I expected to see on a rework list for upcoming DLC, and none of them made it to this blogpost. Really strange overall choices, and I guess I can only hope that they're not the only changes that are coming, because there's so many exotics that are have sat unused for ages now that haven't even been mentioned
It should you may see like a driver install when u plug it in
I’m still hung up on the powered melee change, it really hurt severance enclosure but didn’t hurt assassin’s cowl that much. Roaring flames made it run to use becoming a walking nuclear meltdown.
I was hoping the new whisper of reversal was going to be able to be used as a powered melee on all classes since Warlock didn’t have one that could be used with its melee/finisher exotic Felwinters, and also give Stasis Titans a way to build into punches instead of just crystal creation or lances.
Tbf, i feel like Sunbreaker is the least affected by this change given the existance of the bonk hammer which you can recharge by picking up, every other subclass actually spends the charge and has to wait.
Anyone that actually used severance enclosure understands that nothing about it changes. You were using finishers or ranged melees for the explosions anyways, and reducing the knockback will only make the chain Explosions more consistent.
The only actual nerf is requiring line of sight and that's honestly how it should have been from the start like literally every other explosion.
@@Aj-py8en it’s the powered melee bit, roaring flames let you make orbs of power, stack roaring flames, large scale ad clear, all from hitting enemies. True hammer throw still works, but it has a cooldown now, so it’s not as fast as it used to be to be. Finishers require targets to be primed down, whereas roaring flames empowered melee was absolutely free and could now throw a group of ads. This playstyle always had you in Sunspots because the melee did apply scorch, so you could play close quarters and have sol invictus survivability.
And “anyone that actually used severance enclosure” makes you sound like an asshole.
@@Aj-py8en I ran Severance with Offensive Bulwark to abuse the overshield melee, so it's kind of a bummer.
@@Spike2276 even right now it's better to use a finisher. You get a larger more damaging explosion, you can activate it from further away, and you don't lose the ability to do it when you're paper thin armor breaks.
I wonder if Secant Filaments will just reset the timer of Devour or maybe do a complete refresh like back to full health if you enter your Rift. Would be busted
I don't think we're weaker in any way. Because even if the damage strap becomes using the banner shield for survival the new warlock super I think buffs solar weapon damage too and banner is a bigger damage as well.
The new super adds scorch to friendly solar weapons (wonder how that'll stack with Dragon's Breath), so realistically you can just keep the gjally + Apex Predator meta going but now applying scorch while behind a Titan shield. -1 player, +Ignitions.
i hope that is not everything... i really want a decent exotic for solar hunter that does not only work on my super
With the Assassin's Cowl/Combination Blow build, as long as you're getting your melee charge back via something like a dodge, your build isn't nerfed. This is mainly targeted at titans it seems, with their frontal assault ability.
That or run a shotgun with Enhanced Pugilist and One Two Punch. You’ll get your melee in around 4 kills (88% melee regen)
Or slap on Utility Finsher. Finisher mods escaped the mod nerf we got at the beginning of the season. I personally switched off kickstart mods for finisher mods since kickstart mods got straight up neutered
2:09 Duskfield nevwr gave overshield, thr shards from defeated frozen enemy's gave it if running the correct fragment. I agree with you that there is no other way to look at this other then being a nerf with the DR stacking instead of being instant, but i dont see this ruining thr exotic. If however, they did remove outgoing damage from enemies, there is no reasin to run these anymore.
They didn't do enough for Ursa they SHOULD HAVE added all void wepons get volatile rounds and 2 charges for scatter or axion bolt and x4 damage buff so they're not useless for 90% of the time
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I don t really understand why Assassin’s Cowl thing would be a nerf ? I mean, don t we all instantly dodge before and after a combination blow hit to proc Lethal Current/get the melee back ? Also Comb Blow grants the dodge back on kill so I don t really see how this is a nerf ? If someone can enlighten me ? Maybe I didn t understand it correctly
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All of the tuning to armor and abilities they’re doing is only the ones that are part of prismatic. Juggernaut and flechette storm are still gonna suck and I can’t help but ask ,”if they were prismatic aspects, wouldn’t they be getting buffed?” This applies to all of the underpowered abilities that aren’t getting touched at all but aren’t part of prismatic. Imo roaring flames needs a buff much more than consecration, but consecration is prismatic, so that’s getting buffed I guess
The change to powered melee requirements is tragic
I always felt like that behavior was normal. Like, it's the whole reason those aspects do that elemental melee effect for me, because i don't much care for the small bump in damage when compared to normal uncharged melees.
The stasis changes feel like a super mixed bag. RIP Renewal, because the loss of Chains AND the bespoke DR is going to hurt a lot.
Renewals fine. Whisper of chains is the only DR loss, the overshield did not matter anyway, and they never said anything about removing the damage reduction of enemies inside.
Now it’s permanent frost armor which you can have outside the bubble and give to your entire team
The charges r weak. I was really hoping for some good buffs that would make want to use exotic I have never used. As a hunter main none of these r going to make me change my load outs.
The fact that blight ranger hasn’t been touched really has me scratching my head.
I completely understand the nerf to Severance, as we'll be doing the supercharged version of it w Prismatic. Such a shame though
Just played void hunter with 100 mob for the first time.I switching. I’ve never had such easy kills I can’t believe I didn’t just join y’all sooner.
Still really hoping for exotic armor transmog.
As with any of these changes, we will have to see. What I am curious is if using a pure subclass provides any sort of buff. Also, we will be playtesting a new system, possibly the one we will be using in D3. If it can be broken, Destiny players will break it.
I expected way more updates. There are so many more exotics that need help. This whole article was disappointing.
Tbf this is just a preview of the patch notes, there are definetly more changes coming, but this preview isn't the most exciting.
I don't think the Powered Melee change really affects anything at all? Combination Blow, for instance, turns your regular melees powered, but like, just use your gambler's dodge and get your actual melee ability back. Like you'd always do. You expend the ability, you get the benefit regardless. It impacts grapple melee, I guess? For all those severance grapple builds out there...
I don't think it changes grapple melee since it actually adds a new melee ability after your grapple.
It doesn't change anything really. And if it actually did, who tf is out here spamming their uncharged noodle arm melee for a melee oriented build to begin with? that's goofy. you'd be going for powered melee kills anyway.
It does affect Titans, specifically Severance, massively. It greatly hinders the amount of explosions the player can do, because of the change where explosions will only happen when the player spends a powered melee. Meaning, Aspects like Knockout, Roaring Flames, Offensive Bullwark, and yes even Grapple melees will not work with Severance anymore. Because while grapple melee is a melee, it's in the same vein as Aspect Powered melees in that, they don't spend a melee charge to proc them. Severance has officially been killed in my eyes, which is heartbreaking and pisses me off to no end. Especially because I had a build in mind for Knockout and Spirit of Severance/Spirit of Contact, and it is now dead in it's crib. I didn't even get the chance to build it in game, and they already killed it.
@@rightful4973 That is where we disagree then. It was the spam-ability that made Severance and Roaring Flames both really fun and effective in high end content. With this change, the only way to get a fraction of it back, would be to force oneself to use Monte.
@@rightful4973arcstrider hunters unpowered melee still counted when you had combination blow active, so you could walk around basically flat-footed and still get healing and invis with assassin's cowl. After the change you'll have to do what you mentioned with dodging again, which is admittedly what most hunters already did anyway. It'll beat a bad habit out by force now
Idk, I wouldn't sleep on the Stasis changes...shatter buffs, and it's gonna be super easy to keep/maintain frost armor on Stasis, and max FA is almost equal to pre nerf max Resilience so max Resil's 30% plus max FA's 36% assuming you're gonna constantly have it could definitely be pretty strong imo.
If you're Prismatic you can also probably find some way to stack Woven Mail on top.
@@Spike2276Prismatic class item let’s you have both renewal grasps and the woven mail on Grenade so yeah it definitely has that
Thr cumulative effect of all these nerfs will fell like crap at launch.
Yeah, not happy with these changes… nothing got hit super hard so I’m happy about that but at the same time it feels like nothing really got touched ether… like 5 pieces for each class where changes and like 4 out of 5 of them where general updates so they work with prismatic… I was really looking for like 10-12 armor pieces each class getting touched with like 5 of each getting a good size buff/rework like skull of dire ahamkara getting a good buff or lucky pants getting tweaked.
Not happy about this patch at all
I think bungie is just telling us to play hunter for final shape
Trust me 3 points extra from exotic armor is ALOT
Don't like the renewal changes even if it keeps the enemies doing reduced damage perk. It's a nerf since now you have to wait to get the benefit you used to get instantly.
Melee class getting its melee powers removed 👍🏻
Am I off the mark wondering why you'd be confused about hunters using tritons oflver synthoceps...? What does that mean?
Tritons gives the exact same dmg buffs as synthoceps . However syntho buffs every single melee you have and your super, whereas triton is glaive only. So synthoceps titan is objectively a better version of the triton build, even though triton specializes in glaives.
Bungie was cooking till this... Absolutely nothing exciting.
Psa with the updates to diamond lance: if you do not have the diamond Lance aspect equipped don't touch someone else's diamond Lance. Don't be that guy.
BABE WAKE UP THE COOLEST GUY DID A CZcams IN HERE
Me, as a hunter main, bathing myself in titan and warlock tears.
5:10 😂😂😂
Most of this read as L’s to me, Battle Harmony seemed like it got the best buff
Mask of the quiet one is still sitting in a corner
I don't mind any of it, or any other change they're making, and I'm a Warlock. Except Pathfinder. Pathfinder sucks. I don't want to be forced to play Gambit to get the weekly rewards ever.
Gambit better to force yourself through than crucible is
@@rebcommando587 I'm not a fan of either, but Crucible is at least faster.
Senseless nerfs and mediocore changes. Stuff working with Prismatic is obviously nice, but simply nerfing good exotics without buffing bad exotics meaningfully isn't going to shift their usage.
No ones going to use Khepris in anything other than strikes
You can take the renewals buff outside of the duskfield now though. Get your stacks and you get to keep em even if you leave that small bubble. Might not be a buff in that you need to wait for the frost armor now but the extra mobility is good.
It specifically said the timer so unless it was a gross typo, I don't think tho. However, if it works exactly how it says, it's actually a net nerf. If your have the fragment that extends buff timers on void classes, your Devour timer would increase to 22 seconds. If secant works how I think it's gonna work, now even if you have 22 seconds of devour it'll reset it down to 11. It's great if you popped your rift and didn't get any kills because you're devour timer is 11 seconds and your rift timer is 12, but now it seems like it could nerf the overall usage of devour.
@@thatnobody915he’s not talking about secant??
@@wood5596 yep, my b. I was replying to another comment talking about secant, and accidentally replied here.
So TLDR of all of this abilities and armor changes is that me main Titan is useless in my day1 raid team and i can go with hunter, no buff to Titan so i guess i will now become main hunter on solar and switching star eater barrage, celestial goldie, lucky pants, etc. i think that all bungie devs play on hunter, lol what i see Titan is dead weight in raid team.
No changes for YAS is criminal at this point.
They kill it, leave it dead for month on end, finally have the chance to maybe revive it, and instead do nothing.
Am I the only one who feels like they split the previews and TWAB up into 3 just to make it seem like they're doing way more than they actually are? Each article feels kinda anemic imo. I thought they were going to be tweaking more of the weaker exotics rather than just a couple here and there.
I never say anything publicly when I listen to these but... Man.. This was a pretty mid exotic update. They have so many unused exotics that could have been worked on, I'm left thinking all the rest are functioning as intended (and by that I mean they want stuff to remain unused). There is a rant brewing but I'll save it for my pillow.
Bungo doesn’t need to nerf my pants. They aren’t OP they’re just really lucky
The changes were strictly done to account for how Prismatic might affect the strength of these exotics. This was not a full pass, and yes, it was pathetic.
This sounds like a hunters therapy group, you guys have lucky pants, be happy, us warlocks got screwed.
These changes are pretty mid, I expected a big, beefy list of changes to exotic armours and I'm pretty disappointing
Wow, solar warlock just keeps getting curb stomped. They kill well of radiance, without buffing daybreak and now they absolutely shit on sunbracers, dont get me wrong solarlock was used for a reason but I feel like no compensation for those heavy handed nerfs on some pf the weaker portions are uncalled for.
The subclass is getting new abilities too. I think Solar will remain a popular option with more variation and Warlocks won't all be using Well with Prismatic.
Sunbracers are just going from a +4sec to a +2, which takes the grenade's 4sec base duration (6 with Touch of Flame) to 6sec (8 with ToF) and getting one less grenade per proc, they're still going to be good.
Sunbracers will still be fantastic. Instead of your solar nades lasting 8 seconds (10 with touch of flame) it'll only last 6 (8 with tof) and you'll still be able to throw out 4 huge AOE nades. Plus, if you aren't running sunbracers with ToF *and* Heat Rises, then you don't know how to use solar warlock. Heat Rises gives you like 10-20% melee charge per aerial kill, it's really not that hard to re-proc sunbracers. It's just not as free anymore.
Am I the only warlock main who hates subracers
i mean just look at them playing the game in any dev. preview... its like watching bots on the lowest difficulty and these are the ones deciding "balance", every time they give new info my hype just keeps dying even more, first they say prismatic is a restricted thing, than the limited exotic class items and now the nerfs on top of nerfs with the stupidest changes imaginable... man good thing i didnt pre-order this shit
The final shape is all the stuff you like worse.
sometimes i wonder if bungie remembers how to cook
They should give the ugly exotics a good ordement