I don't know, but I've been looking for opinions from people who are in the RTS esports scene about this game. I appreciate your honest opinion (too bad too many people hate those who disagree and your video got a lot of downvotes).
I requested a refund. I didn't mind most of the issues you mentioned but the game overall just feels soooo cheap except the sound design. I especially hate the big bright arrows and the animations come with them.
They tried reinventing aoe2. Terrain decorations and walkable walls can't beat nicer graphics and clear, unobstructed view. 3d dimension doesn't add much but takes away a lot..
Maybe it's just me, but I remember my dad buying me AOE, AOE2 and AOM when it came it. Back then, I didn't have much of a care in the world, but I learned about history and mythology so much more than any teacher in school could have motivated me to. I played the stress test this weekend and my money will not be wasted. There was a flood of nostalgia and to me, as a parent now, would love for my daughter to pick this up eventually. I have a feeling she would love it. Waiting for the campaigns for final judgement.
My one constructive critisism for the video is, trying to stretch it out to 60 reasons was a bad idea, as a sc2 player you had some really good points in there about what makes micro near impossible, inability to select units from a group etc, but they were overshadowed by the silly ones, like "their last game failed"
The weird thing is, CoH2 have replay system and they kinda made players micro their stuff (even implemented rng projectile system). I can't believe that people who made CoH2 cannot code rng of projectiles?
@@steelprophecy5951 lack of time probably, they have to develop coh3 as well, so they might get back to projectiles back yet, especially after feedback
@@m00tes info about AoE4 if I'm not mistaken, it was even before AoE2 DE. In 2017. Games in 2000' were released into public news cycle after something was already done. Currently it is just pitching a idea with almost zero proof of concept - and it kinda shows, because AoE4 DOES NOT look like game that had 4 year development cycle. CoH3 in current development is almost barebones and I'm kinda suspecting it was just 1, maybe 2 years at best.
Exactly. Write off a studio just because it didn’t work on your favourite game before is just so narrow minded. Guess what? Before Blizzard make the WC, Blizzard never make a RTS game prior than that. The video really just start out from a really weak ground
A lot of these points are just statements without any reference to gameplay. Telling me "mechanics got dumbed down" without any descriptions of which mechanics is pretty useless information to me.
@Thorn video proceeds to give a good description as to why archers are buffed too hard right at feudal and how the micro is now boring because of it, plus no skirms making archers even more OP... all while showing clips of it.... one of many great examples from this vid. Get you and your lazy ass hive mind friends out of here. geez
There you go people, he was completely right, what we got today is an unfinished game with all those mentioned problems in this video, Did not get even 1 fixed
@@sprEEEzy getting game pass and downloading it or buying and play less than 2 hours in case you want refund. Its released already and I had it already and tested everything and nothing changed. Not even the basic things like colors, zoom or global quee, it is a complete shame, would appreciate if you make a video about that because it is really dissapointing. Which is more dissapointing is the blinded part of the community defending the game even at this point of an unfinished game....
No in game purchases, full features, almost no bugs at all. I'm ok paying full price for this. This guy is literally Complaining about having to press esc to get to the menu. Get a life.
I played the stress test, and it's convinced me to buy it because as a casual player I found it really fun, and also it's only $24 in my country which is more than worth it to me lmao
@@nothankkyou3176 its not worse than aoe 2. its worse than the 2nd remaster and all the updates that went into aoe 2 over 20 years. and only worse in some aspects and the game is not even released yet.
Fifa isn't 60 though, I mean it's not worth 60 and anyone with some experience knows that this title and the 2KBasketball one are just microtransaction money-printing machines without any soul at this point.
@@ActionableFreedom yet COD,BF, and AC and all the yearly releases of these games sells tons while no-one complain. yet if AOE 4 went with more casual art style people scream in pain xD
I remember AoE Online, I played the beta! One thing I appreciated was one of it's tutorial - produce 20 spearmen as fast as you can, and it kept your best time and challenged you to do it under 20, 15, 10 minutes and less. That could have easily grown into an interactive build order guide, would have been incredible for onboarding new players.
@@salesenadriade2818 Plandemic. See bitchute videos about the bad stuff in vaccines. Governments can't be trusted. Anhyone who knows history knows this, especially recent history.
i spend 60 dollars every year on dogshit call of duty. after playing aoe for my entire life and finally getting a decent new one after continuing to enjoy aoe2 for almost two decades ill give them 60
The fact that the town bell sound exists makes me wonder how much they played the game themselves. It's not even a small thing. It's almost impossible to miss.
@@d00by14 well, for people with fast clicks per minute, intense players, it ends up playing a lot I think. I’m pretty casual but I kinda noticed a bit too. But yeah gamers kinda make mountains out of molehills it seems a lot of the time.
I play for 10 minutes and deleted it. This game its the worst Age of empires of all. It is confusing and I am a Aoe player for 10 years now. 👎 in short words just garbage.
Not sure if I was playing the same game as you - been playing AOE for 20 years and I really liked it, there are things that need to be ironed out but the stress test alone kept me entertained for a good 20 hours, let's wait for the release.
Theres more, theres more: no higher ground attack bonus, match in custom game ends if host leaves, Relic/MS not interacting with feedbakers AT ALL on the official forums where you are supposed o put feedback. I am just so disappointed...
Hey man, casual old player here, and your countryman :). Havent played anything for a long long time, but sometimes watch gaming videos...I agree with most of your points. You should NOT buy AOE4 without reviews and demo(do they make demos anymore?). I still have hopes for aoe4, at least the expansion should address some of the things in mp. Walls are good in aoe4 :). I wish they make this game like starcraft 2 level of e-sports quality! One big thing i would like to see is random generated maps in RTS! Are there any random generated maps in rts pro games? Hate that thing "memorizing and naming maps", learning them in memory like sc2. Keep up the good work, and I hope more AOE4 themed videos!
u are looking for apple on the lemon tree, those random generated maps make the game unbalanced so u cant exepect that on any somewhat try of a baby e-sports game.
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@@vilgefortz3131 i nvr bet those,but lost 50% of my acc money at may while crypto collapse,after that i lost at natural gas,gold,gas those futures contract
@@longjohn526 lol that was epic ,yea thats true :( i nvr hold for long time,i hv no patience,stock not suitable for me,i really admire your patience and mentality
My samsung fridge could run it, minimum graphics requirement o0n steam is saying intel CPU integraded graphics. I have ahighest tier machine and I also had some stuttering. But then again: its a beta!
@@JohnJohn-pm9wq it was a beta test of course it wasn’t optimized. That is very normal for betas. He makes a video saying not to buy it because he can’t run it for a game in a beta is strange. You can also buy the game for literally 1$ to try it and decide if it is worth ur 60$ but did he mention that?
Check the CPU loads. This game has a 1 thread max load issue. Meaning the intel CPU's will give higher fps than AMD. Also anyone with an AMD GPU will suffer on performance as well at higher resolutions. Look at "before you buy" video near the end where he does benchmarks on CPU's.
Your reason number 4, I agree. Companies should identify their audience better so they can create a good game that way. If it’s too broad, it will get messy. You can also tell that they’re focusing on Esports a lot. Another thing is that when you train military units, It takes forever. So, you construct more buildings, but they’re so big that you take up the whole map. Also, I hope it’s fixed, but for my friends and I, we were all random colors. I was blue, they were red, etc. For them, they were blue, I was yellow and so on. With this, we can’t call out which player is attacking us. Relic could’ve easily learned from World’s Edge UI for their DE Age games
he was right but the sad thing is that alot of player alredy throw awya their money which it will perpetue the cycle of endorsing incomplete games in the future.
1. not a reason 2. not a reason, its ensemble not ensamble (how is not being the same studio a reason not to buy aoe4) 3. not a reason, every company makes mistakes 4. not a reason, that only shows their commitment to the franchise and its fans 5. not a reason, what do bad marketing decisions have to do with the actual game? 6. not a reason, same as above 7. at least try to explain 8. give examples? 9. i understand what you mean but I do like most changes (just like in sc2) 10. it's as esports ready as any game! having a bit less micro doesnt stop a game from being competitive 11. not a reason 12. ok its your opinion 13. not a reason, its like saying a car is too expensive because its too expensive 15. thats the description of every AAA game 17. matter of personal preference 20. he is just lying at this point 21. since when does pause matter in tournaments? also there probably is pause in single player, more misinformation 22. not a reason (you literally contradict yourself by saying it will be in launch) 23. not a reason (not showing is different than not existing) 24. attack move does the trick 27. gaming mice have software for that 29. thats a bug 30 & 31.they will most likely improve that 32. less rng is good 34. skirmishers didn't actually exist and you have horsemen as hard counters 36. your opinion 37. they are experimenting with a ludicrous zoom level in aoe3 39. not a reason 40. not a reason, just more streamlined 41. ???? 43. you wanna compare that to aoe 2 attack upgrades? if you're blind I guess you can't see a difference 44. explain???? 45. it was very unclear in aoe2 so its better to have the tooltip; shift clicking should trade more, clearly not intended 47. its minimalistic, fair though 49. not a reason, design choice 52. not a reason (just a balance issue), also it finally makes turtling a viable strategy 53. except it has more importance than ever with the influence system. Before you could just spam houses as walls 54. there are so many reasons why this game is an improvement and you don't even try to explain yourself 55. not a reason, this is just dumb 56. examples? never happened to me 57. are you really going to talk about bugs on a game that hasn't even been released and has approximately ZERO bugs? 60. how can you say aoe4 is a downgrade from aoe2 when aoe2 suffers from this WAY more than any game I've ever played? You make some good points and I respect your opinion, but it's very hard to take this video seriously. Most criticism just feels forced. Almost like someone paid you to do this. If you truly want to advise people about buying a game or not, then you should make an actual review. This video is just misinformation and clickbait. It should be called "CZcamsr uses galaxy brain logic to try to convince his audience that aoe4 is a bad game".
Thanks for taking the time to write this out. Obviously, to fit 60 reasons and explain them in a digestible timeframe, I had to cut down on explanations. Some are vague, some are probably not proper reasons as you said, but the point was to get the symbolic 60 out. The video, however, is not clickbait, nor is it misinformation.
@@sprEEEzy thanks for the honesty and for reading my huge comment. I really do agree age of empires 4 has issues but I believe it is quite ready for release. I don't mean to dismiss valid criticism but I think most issues are either minor or can be fixed until its launch. That being said, the game needs proper support to become even better, and that's why telling people not to buy the game without proper explanation will just make things worse for the game in the long run. Because yes, I do want the game to be successful
@@spectrallogic "Can be fixed" is the problem. I've dealt with enough devs lately that I know that only a minor portion will get fixed by the end of the year (and that is 2 months after release).
@@JackIsNotInTheBox I'm not a expert on foreign policies. But doesn't both most EU members and Canada have a working healthcare system? And in addition, US citizen also have to pay taxes, no matter if they have it or not.
@@Elbomberdelvernal You do realize, that there are many us americans that have to do multiple jobs to survive. The average wage is the same as for example in germany, but without the social support for low earners.. If you only earn 1.5k in europe, your future would look much worse in the US. In addition you would give up all the things that look normal for you. Like vacations, payment when ill, basic healthcare, Protection against dismissal etc.
I played aoe online eventhough it was not available in my country. I still play aoe online celeste sometimes. There were people who hated aoe3 on release too. All games need only 1 thing, a devoted dev team. Games become good as they get patch over patch with player criticism. A block of stone is a block of stone until an artist shapes it into a sculpture. Give it some time
There are still people who hate AoE3 now. There's a reason why the AoE2 servers, streams, and VoDs have much higher interaction numbers than than AoE3. AoE2 was considered by the playerbase to have more staying power.
@@digitalplayground8202 I think it partly people are playing what they like and some mechanics in AoE3 that turn people off. I can see the flaws in AoE3 but after playing it I couldn't go back to AoE2 its just so slow and the civs are essentially the same thing to a causal player who picks based of the building designs and their favorite unique unit. I think a lot of the complaining from the AoE2 and 3 players is because they tried to play AoE4 like their main game. The UI needs to improve I hope those tabs get better artwork if not their will be a mod that the community overwhelmingly adopts to fix it.
@@digitalplayground8202 its true, aoe3 tried some completely out of box ideas for rts. but there are many stuff they did better in aoe3 than 2 --- like realistic cannons, ranged/melee attack depending on range, flexible deck system, age up advisor choice up to situation, trade routes, snare mechanic for melee troops, mercenaries, siege attack for units instead of hitting a 10m tall tower with a sword etc.. just because you dont like the game doesnt mean that its bad. if you get used to lazy early game in aoe2, you might get problem in aoe3 rushes. because aoe3 rushes can happen much earlier than aoe2 - with age up resource crates + homecity shipment to any tower and training multiple units in regular train time. not everyone can play under stress. i have seen a video of t90 about a guy who plays only vikings on blackforest. ofcourse you cant expect him to play aoe3 or 4 5.. you know you might not like starcraft but it doesnt mean sc2 is unbalanced or not a good rts game.
AOE4 is dead to me , sure the problems are with multiplayer , but graphics , gameplay and some of the immersive aspects completely ruin the campaign for me. Hard pass for me.
Fans don't understand the difference between complexity and depth. It's beautiful when a game manages to streamline things without making it shallow. Needless complexity is not good game design.
I legitimately question how much AoE2 this guy has actually played tbh. AoE4 feels like a much tighter experience, not dumbed down at all with exception to homing arrows but that’s whatever.
I played AOE since the 90s with the first game. I am curious about this new chapter, but to be honest I feel it is a bit unnecessary. I am playing AOE2 DE and I can say it is top notch: excellent ri-edition of a classic, completely polished, alive multiplayer community, new civilizations and contents coming out, all at an affordable and honest price. Being said so, I am not going to buy for 60 euros AOE4. I will probably wait when it is on sale but I dont want to pay more than 30 euros for the game. I really recommend to give AOE2 DE a try, cause that one is a masterpiece.
Well said. Aoe 4 can probably damage the franchise taking people from aoe 2 community rather than build its own one. Also, it’s kind of disrespectful that they are sharing aoe 4 content in aoe 2 communities channels.
I don't recommend buying AoE4 for even 20€. I bought it for 24€ and regret it after playing 10 hours... It's just a bad RTS game. AoE2 DE is great (just like StarCraft 2). I recommend also giving AoE3 DE a shot. I bought it and fell in love within 90 minutes. Really unappreciated.
Agree with most points. I think the biggest issues are the hotkeys, archers mechanics, poor gpu performance. Too many people are letting nostalgia get in the way of all of the problems with the game, especially in the comments section here. It's no doubt a good game, just won't ever compete with SC2, AOE2 for the title of the best RTS games and I think it comes down to poor design decisions which are pretty clear in the Beta.
I feel like its a little ironic to say people who like the game are letting nostalgia get in the way, and then going and saying it will never compete with your favorite old games from 15-20 years ago. Maybe people just have different preferences on what their ideal RTS game looks like?
@@yc5117 First of all they aren't old games. They are constantly updated and have thriving communities, so as far as anyone who likes RTS games is concerned they are the competition. Yes, people have nostalgia because like Call Of Duty people buy the title name rather than the quality. Will this game be fun? Sure. But is it clear already the gameplay mechanics do not stack up to a successful RTS title like AOE2 or SC2 which have lasted the test of time.
@@TheR0yalBeast I'm not really sure where you're going with that, you're the one that brought up nostalgia. Yes, they're updated, yes they're still old games with nostalgia for many people. I've played AoE 2 since my dad showed me the AoC expansion in 2000, when he downloaded the demo before launch. I also still play AoE 2 today competitively. Nostalgia, or "Brand Familiarity" which is what you seem to be describing, is what got me interested in AoE 4, just like you and many others. However, I was incredibly skeptical and went into the betas expecting it to be a terrible game. However, like most people who played it, I actually really enjoyed it, it was a good game. But is it clear already the gameplay mechanics do not stack up to a successful RTS title like AOE2 or SC2 which have lasted the test of time? No! That's not clear at all, we've played two old beta builds which were incredibly fun but had a few issues. AoE 2 and AoE 3 fans tend to let nostalgia get in the way of their judgement, and think that because this game isn't AoE 2: DE 2, that this game won't last. That's what you're doing. I expected a bad game, but I had a lot of fun playing it, preordered it, and am counting down the days until I can play it again.
The zoom level alone is fatal. You don't have a proper overview of what is happening. You developers would have had to play AOE2 yourself to understand what is important
Its going to fail because its lazy and lifeless. It has nothing of the age of empire vibe, should be called a different name. Units dont even have a portrait, they are faceless
@@MrFree-vj8qj my only big issue with the game is high price even though im gonna pay it cause i knew im gonna have a lot of fun when i played the technical stress test over 20 hours on the weekend. There are other multiple annoying problems which may or may not be fixed, but the core gameplay is fun made me sold
@@MrFree-vj8qj I disagree, it feels very "Age of Empires-ey" to play. Once they fix the hotkeys, camera, and the command delay bug, this game will be great.
I'm incredibly disappointed with everything I've seen from AOE4 and I've been playing since AOE1. I honestly don't think I will be buying it unless I see some massive graphical upgrades after it goes live and I highly doubt it. Then its missing features that should be 110% standard for a new RTS. AOE4 is looking to be the biggest flop in RTS history. All they had to do was give us a better AOE3 with nextgen graphics and they nail it and somehow they are fucking that up.
I completly agree with you, and I'm a casual player and only playing against computer. The first criticism I'll have and that you made too, is that the game is more age of empire III than age of empire II, it seems cartoonish and the graphics are horrible, less good in my view than age of empire II.
Huns didn't have atheism. They worshipped Tengri. That's atheist propaganda from Microsoft run by devil-worshipping masons like Billy Gates-to-Hell who cares so mucha bout poor Africans he wants to put poison in their bodies instead of giving them good food.
I feel like this comment section is missing the point. AoE4 is fun, good, whatever. But can you say that it's better than AoE2 and AoE3 DE? Okay it's different but is it better? Do you actually believe it's better and would replace the old games with this new game? AoE4 should be good enough that people move on from the old game to this game. When SC2 came out, MOST SC1 players moved to SC2. Same with War3, same with other similar titles like TW:Warhammer 2. Was it fun? Yes. Will I probably get it even if to just play with friends? Probably. Is it underwhelming? Yes. 14 years to make the next AoE game and this is it.
I think you missed the point. I believe aoe4 goal isn’t to take people away from aoe 2&3. This is true because they’re still making updates for both those games, I think aoe4 purpose is to allow players to have a new game to play when players get tired of playing the older series. And I think the game ended up being a much needed breath of fresh air
Like most people watching this I've played endless hours of the AOE series for 20+ years. Originally I couldn't wait for this to come out based on the trailer, but as I've seen more and more gameplay AOE IV looks to be a huge dud. There is no way I would pay $60 for this game. At this point and based on what I've seen, I wouldn't pay anything for it. This is an incomplete, lazy production and nothing more than a money grab that's reliant on people's nostalgia. The graphics, the battles between soldiers, all of it looks like a complete afterthought. Don't waste your money and reward these clowns for making such a piss poor installment of such a great franchise.
I feel like gamers nowaday has been spoiled by low quality games for the last decade that they no longer have expectation and know what a quality game should be anymore. AoE4 is so mediocre of a game there's nothing to look forward to. The fun you have playing this game is equal the fun of playing a zombie horde shooting game. Low quality, dumb fun! The devs can't even get some basic design right. Like if you gonna make unit able to move through buildings then create building models with a road outline so at least there's space between them and you can see units move between buildings naturally instead of just ghosting through them. Villagers harvesting carcass get all clumped up you can't tell if they're doing their job or not and it's annoying to pull on worker out to do other task because they're all clumped up to the carcass. In old AoE games and AoM every animals has a circle around them so when villagers harvest their carcass they'll spread out evenly around the carcass. Such basic detail and this game couldn't even get right.
Replay feature seems to exist as they released a replay video on the xbox channel. Also, most of your arguments are really subjective/personal preference or reading into things. Bashing Relic for release 1 truly bad game, without mentioning why that game flopped (GW influence to reach the LOL market) and ignoring all the other great games they've made seems like a fairly biased point of view. I can give a well grounded argument for almost every single one of your points, a few are fair, but most of the time still fairly subjective. All in all, great bait mate!
from my experience of bad games since 2013. I have so far not bumped into a single game so far that has received a major re-design overhaul to literally listen to all the interested party's complaints and wants of features. You say these things can be fixed? yea right. Often it's not just technically impossible because people don't know yet how deep the problems are with it's hard coding yet, but also over the years I realised that most company's especially the larger ones never dare to admit they made a rather bad game or admit to delay release dates, with the result of not fixing issues in order to save face. In other words it's an ego thing, often for such people starting to make major overhauls and major fixes is like they are admittedly confessing to the mediocrity of their game, especially one they are about to release.
Translation: 1.) the Previous games were good, therefore you shouldn't buy the next game? 2-3.) DOWIII wasn't great, never mind all the other great games that relic helped with. 4.)WWHHHAAA game different from game I like WTF were these points. maybe a tenth of them were valid points and the rest were just repeats and stretches 5:17 "lets be real, this is not a 2021 game, this is more like a 2010 game when it comes to graphics" did you see the minimum and recommended specs? it looks like they designed this game to run on a low end laptop from 6 years ago. 6:15 " because it make the game look cartoony" OH MY GOD! WHO CARES?!?! 10:29 "You'll notice that you'll be clicking escape a lot during gameplay even though you didn't want to because reasons" umm??? No??? between the last 2 betas I noticed none of this.
mate, dude made a video about his opinion on the game. Why do you become so defensive about his opinion and try to make it seem like his opinion is stupid. Grow up and accept that not everyone likes what you like.
That's an accurate representation of what he said if you ignore most of his points. I've been seeing a lot of ridiculous and exaggerated criticisms of the game, which is annoying. When you add all the fanboying and white knighting to the mix... well, I'm starting to think the odious community is enough of a reason to pass on this one.
@@UberMenschNowFilms honestly most of them u never even gonna meet on multiplayer since they only play the campaign lol. I will try it because I have game pass tho, wouldn't commit 60$ unless i knew the game was in a healthy stage.
@@MadaoAU I mean he's welcome to his opinions, but when you post shit online it's open to criticism, and honestly, I don't think he had nearly enough valid points to make it to 60. Realistically if he combined all of his repeats and reasons so close to eachother they could realistically be the same point, he's got maybe 20. Overall I felt the list was Contrived and he didn't have nearly enough reasons to make 60, so he had to stretch out his points and make 2-3 slightly different copies of each point to get there.
While I agree he was a bit nitpicky, most of his points are valid. I liked the game when I played but don't think it's ready and certainly don't think it's worth $60. A company's other work is important. If their last game was really bad that could implicate their new game will be bad. I don't think AoE4 is bad but it's a valid concern. The graphics do look like they are from 10 years ago on a 6 year old laptop and a lot of people care, just check out the forums. I have no idea why you would need to press Escape though, Idk why he mentioned that.
I completely agree. They could've made it better. Its just too basic with nothing new. It doesn't give me that excitement and goosebumps I had when I saw AOE 3 and AOM for the first time. I am certain people will forget this within a month and go back to prev titles.
You got goosebumps when you saw AOE 3 and look at it now a complete flop, a failure. I'd rather have a game for longevity than one for experimenting with new things.
@@ChaosRevealsOrder AOE 3 is far from a failure my friend. It has a huge community and there are many people and youtubers who still play it. We can feel a lot of work was put in the game. It captured colonial era perfectly and was ahead of its time with its graphics and gameplay design. The music is also one of the best soundtracks ever. AOE 4 should have brought some new innovative ideas. Why the same basic stuff even after 20 years? We must admit that it doesn't look like triple A next gen 2021 game and won't be considered as one of the greats.
I think only around half of these points are real issues (namely things like input latency and homing arrows) and the rest are just your personal preferences or expectations not being met
Completely agree with this. The graphics look like a cartoon, looks like a mobile game. There's no gore, no blood, no skeletons, it's made for the Chinese censored gaming community in mind. The UI is a joke and the icons are laughable. So many problems with this game and it is not deserving of having the aoe name. All your dislikes are blind soyboys who will buy anything no matter how bad it is because they lack critical thinking. Good video a lot of people out here agree with you.
This is literally one of the most nonsensical videos ever. This guy's first ten reasons have nothing to do with the game itself. They have to do with "high expectations", the developer, the previous game the developer made, and poor marketing. For those who care, the game is excellent. Its NOT AOE2 but an interesting variant to it, where mechanics have been slightly edited. But it is definitely a GOOD GAME.
As for me this is just nagging. I played AOE 2 and 3 a lot and I think that AOE 4 is a really good game. Since AOE is RTS (not FPS) graphics is ok (actually I really like this new style). UI a bit boring, but its very simple and straightforward, which is good for a tense game. Team colours are good too ( you will always see from which team which unit, even if you have vision problems). Gameplay is awesome too. It kept traditions from AOE 2 and dynamism from AOE 3 and AOE 4 also reminds me good old Stronghold Crusaders.
I'm glad the game's good for you, but you've commented on it on a very superficial level. The points raised in the video are related to the longevity of the game, especially as a competitive one.
Maybe they should have added 8 more civilizations? That 60 US dollar price point would have been worth 60 price tag. I also have another problem too? Like with the Chinese they should have added more gunpowder units like the Crouching Tiger Cannon, Rocket Cart or Fire Cart, Flying Crow Rocket, 7 or 8 mast Junk Treasure ship, and a Musket unit called the Shenjiying 神机营 which is armed with the RAPID THUNDER BOLT GUN (迅雷銃) that was able too fire 5 rounds. They also had a weapon called Huolongchushui 火龙出水 the world's earliest multistage rockets and ballistic cruise missiles, fired at enemy ships in naval battles. It was used to strike fear into enemy troops and enemy ships.
yeah, I'm a huge age fan, pre-ordered it, and honestly it feels like shit. complete disappoinment. Water battles are the worst. Just compare AoE3 ships with AoE4 and you will think it's a joke. not worth the money ladies and gents
As someone who plays games with RTS elements, but usually not full on RTS games (and when I do, usually very casually) this game seems awesome (after playing the stress test for a while). Plus, as a history nerd it'll just be my simulator of Englands tradition to invade France.
@@Methodius7 you say "pretty much" Which implies there is more variety but not much. You have clearly never played the old aoe games were there was alot of special and unique troops
@@fekashifekashi3937 AoE2:DE has more variety with all the DLC but AoE4 for sure has more variety than AoE2/AoC. Idk why the dude said "older aoe games" when he meant AoE2:DE
Graphics and ui is a disaster... Will wait and see how they patch it.. What I don't understand is why they went for aoe3 graphics when aoe2 was immensely more popular...
Because AoE2 was a 2D engine. I also think a 2D engine would have been better and generally more snappy feeling, I think most people would be upset it was 2D today. In fact, the last time I mentioned it on another video I was told "this is 2021, were not making a game to please boomers."
Pros wont stick with it, its new and fresh thats why they love it. This game has no micro ant its hella unbalanced. Really fun to play but gets boring really quick especially if u want to esport this lmao. It just wont work. Esport will boil down who has more units and thats it
@@Vlix223 if you say so, reminds me quite a bit of SC2 and a few AoE2 and SC2 pros put out videos saying much the same. I’m sure though that you know better.
@@sprEEEzy yes i dont want to miss out on this game. The single player should be hours of fun on it's own. But i'm patient enough to wait up to a whole year. Hopefully the player base will be healthy for a few years to come. AoE4 reeks of "rise of nations" vibes which was made easy for people who are too slow to micro. It was still a timeless classic game but it's no AoE2.
is it too late? before the aoe4 publish, microsoft found there are so many sleepy developer who are hiding sth... aoe4 is not too bad, but for 3 years team work, such a waste, aoe4 has no new idea, it just a newer copy of old aoe, this is a shame.
I was going to dislike this but you gave good valid points. I think some points are mute as some things will be changed. But yeah I would definitely not get involved with competitive play with this game when age 2 is still close to 1005% better.
AOE 4 was most likely made with the casual players in mind. I personally had fun with AOE 4 on the stress test. I do not think that AOE 4 will be better than AOE 2 DE to the point where people will stop playing it. We'll see a shift of the player base move over to AOE 4 for a few weeks, and then all the hardcore players will 100% move over back to AOE 2 DE. I'm pretty sure AOE 4 intentions are not to completely try to kill off AOE 2 DE. It won't happen.
lots of dislikes I see, but you are completely right. The is poorly coded and the devs did not play their own game, and they clearly did not understand what ensebmle studio did with AoE
if one complaint is graphics just because "some people" well you already lost that argument there... how is that old gaming saying goes??? grading a game for graphics is like watching porn for the story
Very good points. I just watched some gameplay from the game today and I think most of these things you complained about are still there. I agree a lot of them are truly bad design choices. Overall I don't like the art style and UI design in this game.
While you have some good points. A good amount of these are very subjective, or are just changes from the previous versions that you paint as a strictly bad thing. This takes away from legitimacy of your other points.
I getting it because it's part of my Game Pass subscription so I basically have nothing to lose ...... I play mostly, almost entirely single player because most people online these days are toxic jerkovs .....
Why isn't anyone talking about the shitty scale of the buildings? The infantry units are twice the size of the doors to the buildings. The camel riders are taller than the archery ranges.
Yes, it says that there is plenty of fools who will pay 60$ for a mediocre game. I've already done that for Reforged, I`m not getting fooled again. Blind trust in the brand is never good.
@@marcellaxis Being a simp is also not a personality, however it uses the same type of mentality. I don`t have a problem with people preordering games without having played a single second of the unreleased game, the same as I don`t have a problem with people paying random women/men over the internet. But this doesn`t mean that I can`t have an opinion about them.
Now that the game has been released - what are the differences between the Stress Test and the Release version?
I don't know, but I've been looking for opinions from people who are in the RTS esports scene about this game. I appreciate your honest opinion (too bad too many people hate those who disagree and your video got a lot of downvotes).
It doesn't cost me 60 dollars 🤣
So for a free game from Microsoft it's actually pretty good 🤣
I requested a refund. I didn't mind most of the issues you mentioned but the game overall just feels soooo cheap except the sound design. I especially hate the big bright arrows and the animations come with them.
They tried reinventing aoe2. Terrain decorations and walkable walls can't beat nicer graphics and clear, unobstructed view. 3d dimension doesn't add much but takes away a lot..
@@Samacora How stupid are you ? Have fun being a slave that works for survival ^^ Nothing is free son ;)
"Reason 13 that AOE4 is not worth $60: it costs $60"
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Maybe it's just me, but I remember my dad buying me AOE, AOE2 and AOM when it came it. Back then, I didn't have much of a care in the world, but I learned about history and mythology so much more than any teacher in school could have motivated me to. I played the stress test this weekend and my money will not be wasted. There was a flood of nostalgia and to me, as a parent now, would love for my daughter to pick this up eventually. I have a feeling she would love it. Waiting for the campaigns for final judgement.
Sounds reasonable.
Except this is not an aoe game, it has nothing in common with those game and their vibe.
@@MrFree-vj8qj i disagree. feels a lot like aoe2
Pretty much exactly some 2 but brought into the modern age
I'm a dad of 2 and I too feel the same I can't wait for my kids to game with me I have a few years to wait as my oldest is only 2 hahahaha
My one constructive critisism for the video is, trying to stretch it out to 60 reasons was a bad idea, as a sc2 player you had some really good points in there about what makes micro near impossible, inability to select units from a group etc, but they were overshadowed by the silly ones, like "their last game failed"
but their last game failed.
Have to agree, but seemed good at the time!
The weird thing is, CoH2 have replay system and they kinda made players micro their stuff (even implemented rng projectile system).
I can't believe that people who made CoH2 cannot code rng of projectiles?
@@steelprophecy5951 lack of time probably, they have to develop coh3 as well, so they might get back to projectiles back yet, especially after feedback
@@m00tes
info about AoE4 if I'm not mistaken, it was even before AoE2 DE. In 2017. Games in 2000' were released into public news cycle after something was already done. Currently it is just pitching a idea with almost zero proof of concept - and it kinda shows, because AoE4 DOES NOT look like game that had 4 year development cycle.
CoH3 in current development is almost barebones and I'm kinda suspecting it was just 1, maybe 2 years at best.
You should not have tried to put 60 points... A lot of them are partial/weak/straight wrong...
Exactly.
Write off a studio just because it didn’t work on your favourite game before is just so narrow minded.
Guess what?
Before Blizzard make the WC, Blizzard never make a RTS game prior than that.
The video really just start out from a really weak ground
This is what happens if one sacrifices quality for style .
A lot of these points are just statements without any reference to gameplay. Telling me "mechanics got dumbed down" without any descriptions of which mechanics is pretty useless information to me.
@Thorn video proceeds to give a good description as to why archers are buffed too hard right at feudal and how the micro is now boring because of it, plus no skirms making archers even more OP... all while showing clips of it.... one of many great examples from this vid. Get you and your lazy ass hive mind friends out of here. geez
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There you go people, he was completely right, what we got today is an unfinished game with all those mentioned problems in this video, Did not get even 1 fixed
Where can I get info on what exactly changed / didn't change?
@@sprEEEzy getting game pass and downloading it or buying and play less than 2 hours in case you want refund. Its released already and I had it already and tested everything and nothing changed. Not even the basic things like colors, zoom or global quee, it is a complete shame, would appreciate if you make a video about that because it is really dissapointing. Which is more dissapointing is the blinded part of the community defending the game even at this point of an unfinished game....
I really like the orthographic look of age of empires 2 - it makes everything so clear, and you dont have any issues with perspective
That clear look is even possible in 3D, best example is cossacks 3. It would be nice if AOE4 had realistic and simplified graphics like Cossacks 3.
10 - "Mechanics are dumbed down" You really have to explain that and show examples.
and plz talk slowly and use small words cuz dumb
@@InnerFury666 When he says "Mechanics are dumbed down" no he doesn't explain further.
Yeah i played every aoe game i don't know what he means with that.
Ya he does not explain how it’s dumbed down
No in game purchases, full features, almost no bugs at all. I'm ok paying full price for this.
This guy is literally Complaining about having to press esc to get to the menu. Get a life.
😂
I played the stress test, and it's convinced me to buy it because as a casual player I found it really fun, and also it's only $24 in my country which is more than worth it to me lmao
argentino? xd
24 bucks would be a reasonable price
Did you have a Windows 8.1 system? I am worried that the game might not run on my PC because of it.
I agree I'm casual too and this game seems really casual friendly and I'm super happy it is 😁
@@simounobrien9096 i Saw that the specs needed are not that high. A low end PC can run It, from what i saw
this guy hits every nail on the head except for the fact that he just didnt say the game was dogshit because its borderline
The main reason I am not buying this game for 60 dollars is because it's on gamepass.
That's it. Hyped AF
If fifa, need for speed and AC milk releases are 60$ the aoe 4 is 60$ for sure.
Diff is those games look good. And are at least mostly finished. This game is worse than aoe2 which is over 20 years old and they want 60 for it
@@nothankkyou3176 its not worse than aoe 2. its worse than the 2nd remaster and all the updates that went into aoe 2 over 20 years. and only worse in some aspects and the game is not even released yet.
Fifa isn't 60 though, I mean it's not worth 60 and anyone with some experience knows that this title and the 2KBasketball one are just microtransaction money-printing machines without any soul at this point.
@@ActionableFreedom yet COD,BF, and AC and all the yearly releases of these games sells tons while no-one complain. yet if AOE 4 went with more casual art style people scream in pain xD
I remember AoE Online, I played the beta! One thing I appreciated was one of it's tutorial - produce 20 spearmen as fast as you can, and it kept your best time and challenged you to do it under 20, 15, 10 minutes and less. That could have easily grown into an interactive build order guide, would have been incredible for onboarding new players.
you can still play AoEO, it's back and better then ever, called project celeste
They got that in aoe4.
@@zimmo0112 Yeah, saw that, those are nice, I wish they would keep growing them, or better yet, crowdsource them
wow . put some gameplay or images in the meantime you talk , its weird to stare someone like 15 minutes .
@@salesenadriade2818 Plandemic. See bitchute videos about the bad stuff in vaccines. Governments can't be trusted. Anhyone who knows history knows this, especially recent history.
After 3 months, I approve this guy said the truth and saw the real issues of the game!
i spend 60 dollars every year on dogshit call of duty. after playing aoe for my entire life and finally getting a decent new one after continuing to enjoy aoe2 for almost two decades ill give them 60
Fair enough. Unfortunately, not everyone has that amount of money to spend on video games.
@@sprEEEzy wait? what? That comment is really dumb.
If people like you could buy the game for 10 other persons no one would complain 😂
@@aadibryn4405 if cant buy a regular 60$ games, them gaming is not for ya. Stick with the free to play games.
@@vmox7453 no one asks your opinion . None of your business to reply to me.
The fact that the town bell sound exists makes me wonder how much they played the game themselves. It's not even a small thing. It's almost impossible to miss.
I had exactly the same thought about the game.
Bro, maybe it's not. I mean there was a closed beta before, and seems like it wasn't brought up then... 🤔
They already said they’re changing it
I played it, didn't even know the town bell was a "problem" until I looked online. Idk, bunch of pussies or something
@@d00by14 well, for people with fast clicks per minute, intense players, it ends up playing a lot I think. I’m pretty casual but I kinda noticed a bit too. But yeah gamers kinda make mountains out of molehills it seems a lot of the time.
I play for 10 minutes and deleted it. This game its the worst Age of empires of all. It is confusing and I am a Aoe player for 10 years now. 👎 in short words just garbage.
Not sure if I was playing the same game as you - been playing AOE for 20 years and I really liked it, there are things that need to be ironed out but the stress test alone kept me entertained for a good 20 hours, let's wait for the release.
Coming up next: 60 reasons why this review sucks ass.
Theres more, theres more: no higher ground attack bonus, match in custom game ends if host leaves, Relic/MS not interacting with feedbakers AT ALL on the official forums where you are supposed o put feedback. I am just so disappointed...
Even if Microsoft would release it as a free download, it would not be worth the bandwidth. This game crumbles faster than a DauT-castle.
Ha this is the first video I have seen in a long time with more dislikes than likes. Guess more people are excited for it than not.
Most people are superficial caring only about graphics and what's popular. They have a herd mentality.
I had a blast this last weekend! The pleasure was real.
Pooping can also make you feel good.
Giggity
@@scintillam_dei And people do it everyday
Hey man, casual old player here, and your countryman :). Havent played anything for a long long time, but sometimes watch gaming videos...I agree with most of your points. You should NOT buy AOE4 without reviews and demo(do they make demos anymore?). I still have hopes for aoe4, at least the expansion should address some of the things in mp. Walls are good in aoe4 :). I wish they make this game like starcraft 2 level of e-sports quality! One big thing i would like to see is random generated maps in RTS! Are there any random generated maps in rts pro games? Hate that thing "memorizing and naming maps", learning them in memory like sc2. Keep up the good work, and I hope more AOE4 themed videos!
u are looking for apple on the lemon tree, those random generated maps make the game unbalanced so u cant exepect that on any somewhat try of a baby e-sports game.
They make it $60 because they want people to buy the xbox gamepass instead. But I'm not installing that on my computer.
Yep, I want it to track on steam, and I want to 100% the achievements.
i feel every game isnt worth 60usd until i lost 6k at stocks :(
GME? AMC?
I just sold all my AMD stock I bought back in 2009 for $2750 .... Made about $110,000 ..... Not as good as the $1250 I invested in MS stock back when I was in college in the early 90's, that made be about $470,000 when I sold it off in late 2006 ..... If you aren't planning on holding stock in the long term and are only hoping to make a fast easy buck sooner or later you are going to get burned big time. I'm still holding all the Google (now Alphabet) stock I bought during their IPO in 2004 and will hold that until I retire
@@vilgefortz3131 i nvr bet those,but lost 50% of my acc money at may while crypto collapse,after that i lost at natural gas,gold,gas those futures contract
@@longjohn526 lol that was epic ,yea thats true :( i nvr hold for long time,i hv no patience,stock not suitable for me,i really admire your patience and mentality
I really enjoyed playing this game on the stress test. multiplayer was super fun.
game is trash th0
Everyone enjoys the multiplayer, the point is, AOE4 didn't revolutionize AOE2, so it doesn't have purpose.
Some points are kinda weird like blaming low frames on the game when its clearly ur pc that cant run it lol
My samsung fridge could run it, minimum graphics requirement o0n steam is saying intel CPU integraded graphics. I have ahighest tier machine and I also had some stuttering. But then again: its a beta!
@@vilgefortz3131 weird, i was below minimum specs and had no performance issues at all, probably an optimization issue for your hardware
He has a 1080ti, does the game even look like it needs that? It's clearly an optimization issue
@@JohnJohn-pm9wq it was a beta test of course it wasn’t optimized. That is very normal for betas. He makes a video saying not to buy it because he can’t run it for a game in a beta is strange. You can also buy the game for literally 1$ to try it and decide if it is worth ur 60$ but did he mention that?
Check the CPU loads. This game has a 1 thread max load issue. Meaning the intel CPU's will give higher fps than AMD. Also anyone with an AMD GPU will suffer on performance as well at higher resolutions.
Look at "before you buy" video near the end where he does benchmarks on CPU's.
The game looked bad to me ever since the first glimpse months ago. I hope I'm very wrong. Otherwise, I'll continue to dream of Age of Mythology 2.
Your reason number 4, I agree. Companies should identify their audience better so they can create a good game that way. If it’s too broad, it will get messy. You can also tell that they’re focusing on Esports a lot. Another thing is that when you train military units, It takes forever. So, you construct more buildings, but they’re so big that you take up the whole map. Also, I hope it’s fixed, but for my friends and I, we were all random colors. I was blue, they were red, etc. For them, they were blue, I was yellow and so on. With this, we can’t call out which player is attacking us. Relic could’ve easily learned from World’s Edge UI for their DE Age games
Age of empires 3 is the best
This video is a joke. Video and title created for views.
Got plenty of down votes lol
he was right but the sad thing is that alot of player alredy throw awya their money which it will perpetue the cycle of endorsing incomplete games in the future.
i made a fake thailand steam account and bought it for less than $20 when it came out. I'd be pissed if I paid the full $60 for that pile of sht
1. not a reason
2. not a reason, its ensemble not ensamble (how is not being the same studio a reason not to buy aoe4)
3. not a reason, every company makes mistakes
4. not a reason, that only shows their commitment to the franchise and its fans
5. not a reason, what do bad marketing decisions have to do with the actual game?
6. not a reason, same as above
7. at least try to explain
8. give examples?
9. i understand what you mean but I do like most changes (just like in sc2)
10. it's as esports ready as any game! having a bit less micro doesnt stop a game from being competitive
11. not a reason
12. ok its your opinion
13. not a reason, its like saying a car is too expensive because its too expensive
15. thats the description of every AAA game
17. matter of personal preference
20. he is just lying at this point
21. since when does pause matter in tournaments? also there probably is pause in single player, more misinformation
22. not a reason (you literally contradict yourself by saying it will be in launch)
23. not a reason (not showing is different than not existing)
24. attack move does the trick
27. gaming mice have software for that
29. thats a bug
30 & 31.they will most likely improve that
32. less rng is good
34. skirmishers didn't actually exist and you have horsemen as hard counters
36. your opinion
37. they are experimenting with a ludicrous zoom level in aoe3
39. not a reason
40. not a reason, just more streamlined
41. ????
43. you wanna compare that to aoe 2 attack upgrades? if you're blind I guess you can't see a difference
44. explain????
45. it was very unclear in aoe2 so its better to have the tooltip; shift clicking should trade more, clearly not intended
47. its minimalistic, fair though
49. not a reason, design choice
52. not a reason (just a balance issue), also it finally makes turtling a viable strategy
53. except it has more importance than ever with the influence system. Before you could just spam houses as walls
54. there are so many reasons why this game is an improvement and you don't even try to explain yourself
55. not a reason, this is just dumb
56. examples? never happened to me
57. are you really going to talk about bugs on a game that hasn't even been released and has approximately ZERO bugs?
60. how can you say aoe4 is a downgrade from aoe2 when aoe2 suffers from this WAY more than any game I've ever played?
You make some good points and I respect your opinion, but it's very hard to take this video seriously. Most criticism just feels forced. Almost like someone paid you to do this. If you truly want to advise people about buying a game or not, then you should make an actual review. This video is just misinformation and clickbait. It should be called "CZcamsr uses galaxy brain logic to try to convince his audience that aoe4 is a bad game".
Thanks for taking the time to write this out. Obviously, to fit 60 reasons and explain them in a digestible timeframe, I had to cut down on explanations. Some are vague, some are probably not proper reasons as you said, but the point was to get the symbolic 60 out.
The video, however, is not clickbait, nor is it misinformation.
@@sprEEEzy thanks for the honesty and for reading my huge comment. I really do agree age of empires 4 has issues but I believe it is quite ready for release. I don't mean to dismiss valid criticism but I think most issues are either minor or can be fixed until its launch. That being said, the game needs proper support to become even better, and that's why telling people not to buy the game without proper explanation will just make things worse for the game in the long run. Because yes, I do want the game to be successful
@@spectrallogic "Can be fixed" is the problem. I've dealt with enough devs lately that I know that only a minor portion will get fixed by the end of the year (and that is 2 months after release).
The high contrast colors are the same as in aoe2 de? But hotkeys+zoom are a big issue for me.
EU: Tax included.
US: Tax extra except tax-free states.
Canada: tax extra.
Enjoy your "free" healthcare.
@@JackIsNotInTheBox I'm not a expert on foreign policies. But doesn't both most EU members and Canada have a working healthcare system?
And in addition, US citizen also have to pay taxes, no matter if they have it or not.
@@JackIsNotInTheBox I will.
I envy u guys living in n.america.. I live in Italy and I make 1.500 per month thats 20k per year.... shame on me
@@Elbomberdelvernal You do realize, that there are many us americans that have to do multiple jobs to survive. The average wage is the same as for example in germany, but without the social support for low earners..
If you only earn 1.5k in europe, your future would look much worse in the US.
In addition you would give up all the things that look normal for you. Like vacations, payment when ill, basic healthcare, Protection against dismissal etc.
Really good video ! I wonder what you think now about the shape of the game.
I played aoe online eventhough it was not available in my country. I still play aoe online celeste sometimes. There were people who hated aoe3 on release too. All games need only 1 thing, a devoted dev team.
Games become good as they get patch over patch with player criticism. A block of stone is a block of stone until an artist shapes it into a sculpture. Give it some time
There are still people who hate AoE3 now. There's a reason why the AoE2 servers, streams, and VoDs have much higher interaction numbers than than AoE3. AoE2 was considered by the playerbase to have more staying power.
@@digitalplayground8202 I think it partly people are playing what they like and some mechanics in AoE3 that turn people off. I can see the flaws in AoE3 but after playing it I couldn't go back to AoE2 its just so slow and the civs are essentially the same thing to a causal player who picks based of the building designs and their favorite unique unit.
I think a lot of the complaining from the AoE2 and 3 players is because they tried to play AoE4 like their main game. The UI needs to improve I hope those tabs get better artwork if not their will be a mod that the community overwhelmingly adopts to fix it.
@@digitalplayground8202 its true, aoe3 tried some completely out of box ideas for rts. but there are many stuff they did better in aoe3 than 2 --- like realistic cannons, ranged/melee attack depending on range, flexible deck system, age up advisor choice up to situation, trade routes, snare mechanic for melee troops, mercenaries, siege attack for units instead of hitting a 10m tall tower with a sword etc.. just because you dont like the game doesnt mean that its bad.
if you get used to lazy early game in aoe2, you might get problem in aoe3 rushes. because aoe3 rushes can happen much earlier than aoe2 - with age up resource crates + homecity shipment to any tower and training multiple units in regular train time. not everyone can play under stress. i have seen a video of t90 about a guy who plays only vikings on blackforest. ofcourse you cant expect him to play aoe3 or 4 5..
you know you might not like starcraft but it doesnt mean sc2 is unbalanced or not a good rts game.
Turned out you were right. Game is dead now lol
Thanks for this, everyone else is overdosing on the nostalgia too much to notice all of its failings.
AOE4 is dead to me , sure the problems are with multiplayer , but graphics , gameplay and some of the immersive aspects completely ruin the campaign for me. Hard pass for me.
It looks like a cartoon. With the original aoe2 you could make big and crowded cities
????
Fans don't understand the difference between complexity and depth. It's beautiful when a game manages to streamline things without making it shallow. Needless complexity is not good game design.
I legitimately question how much AoE2 this guy has actually played tbh. AoE4 feels like a much tighter experience, not dumbed down at all with exception to homing arrows but that’s whatever.
I played AOE since the 90s with the first game. I am curious about this new chapter, but to be honest I feel it is a bit unnecessary. I am playing AOE2 DE and I can say it is top notch: excellent ri-edition of a classic, completely polished, alive multiplayer community, new civilizations and contents coming out, all at an affordable and honest price. Being said so, I am not going to buy for 60 euros AOE4. I will probably wait when it is on sale but I dont want to pay more than 30 euros for the game.
I really recommend to give AOE2 DE a try, cause that one is a masterpiece.
Well said. Aoe 4 can probably damage the franchise taking people from aoe 2 community rather than build its own one. Also, it’s kind of disrespectful that they are sharing aoe 4 content in aoe 2 communities channels.
Dynasties is much better
I don't recommend buying AoE4 for even 20€. I bought it for 24€ and regret it after playing 10 hours... It's just a bad RTS game.
AoE2 DE is great (just like StarCraft 2). I recommend also giving AoE3 DE a shot. I bought it and fell in love within 90 minutes. Really unappreciated.
Agree with most points. I think the biggest issues are the hotkeys, archers mechanics, poor gpu performance. Too many people are letting nostalgia get in the way of all of the problems with the game, especially in the comments section here. It's no doubt a good game, just won't ever compete with SC2, AOE2 for the title of the best RTS games and I think it comes down to poor design decisions which are pretty clear in the Beta.
I feel like its a little ironic to say people who like the game are letting nostalgia get in the way, and then going and saying it will never compete with your favorite old games from 15-20 years ago.
Maybe people just have different preferences on what their ideal RTS game looks like?
@@yc5117 First of all they aren't old games. They are constantly updated and have thriving communities, so as far as anyone who likes RTS games is concerned they are the competition. Yes, people have nostalgia because like Call Of Duty people buy the title name rather than the quality. Will this game be fun? Sure. But is it clear already the gameplay mechanics do not stack up to a successful RTS title like AOE2 or SC2 which have lasted the test of time.
@@TheR0yalBeast I'm not really sure where you're going with that, you're the one that brought up nostalgia. Yes, they're updated, yes they're still old games with nostalgia for many people. I've played AoE 2 since my dad showed me the AoC expansion in 2000, when he downloaded the demo before launch. I also still play AoE 2 today competitively. Nostalgia, or "Brand Familiarity" which is what you seem to be describing, is what got me interested in AoE 4, just like you and many others. However, I was incredibly skeptical and went into the betas expecting it to be a terrible game. However, like most people who played it, I actually really enjoyed it, it was a good game.
But is it clear already the gameplay mechanics do not stack up to a successful RTS title like AOE2 or SC2 which have lasted the test of time?
No! That's not clear at all, we've played two old beta builds which were incredibly fun but had a few issues. AoE 2 and AoE 3 fans tend to let nostalgia get in the way of their judgement, and think that because this game isn't AoE 2: DE 2, that this game won't last. That's what you're doing. I expected a bad game, but I had a lot of fun playing it, preordered it, and am counting down the days until I can play it again.
@@yc5117 I'll bet that 1 year after launch the player base is less than aoe2. Come back here in a year and brag if I'm wrong.
I mean neither of those are on Rome Total War multiplayer level rts
The zoom level alone is fatal. You don't have a proper overview of what is happening. You developers would have had to play AOE2 yourself to understand what is important
Man I’m just really here hoping this game doesn’t fail just due to the fan base fighting smh
Its going to fail because its lazy and lifeless. It has nothing of the age of empire vibe, should be called a different name. Units dont even have a portrait, they are faceless
Age of mythology on low graphics has more style than this game. Was really excited when the trailers released, now its just sad
@@quantumpupper5776 did you try it or just watched it?
@@MrFree-vj8qj my only big issue with the game is high price even though im gonna pay it cause i knew im gonna have a lot of fun when i played the technical stress test over 20 hours on the weekend. There are other multiple annoying problems which may or may not be fixed, but the core gameplay is fun made me sold
@@MrFree-vj8qj I disagree, it feels very "Age of Empires-ey" to play. Once they fix the hotkeys, camera, and the command delay bug, this game will be great.
I'm incredibly disappointed with everything I've seen from AOE4 and I've been playing since AOE1. I honestly don't think I will be buying it unless I see some massive graphical upgrades after it goes live and I highly doubt it. Then its missing features that should be 110% standard for a new RTS. AOE4 is looking to be the biggest flop in RTS history. All they had to do was give us a better AOE3 with nextgen graphics and they nail it and somehow they are fucking that up.
I completly agree with you, and I'm a casual player and only playing against computer. The first criticism I'll have and that you made too, is that the game is more age of empire III than age of empire II, it seems cartoonish and the graphics are horrible, less good in my view than age of empire II.
Available in written form as well: spreeezy.com/age-of-empires-4-60-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-buy/
also age 2 used to be huns wars for like forever.... it took them 20 years to make it up to DE standards.
Huns didn't have atheism. They worshipped Tengri. That's atheist propaganda from Microsoft run by devil-worshipping masons like Billy Gates-to-Hell who cares so mucha bout poor Africans he wants to put poison in their bodies instead of giving them good food.
@@scintillam_dei get some help bro
Aoe 2 still the best
Couldn't agree more
AoE 3 is the best.
This video hasn't aged well. Game is great.
Solid points, some points are repeated, but overall, this is the concern for most of us. The more I see AOE4, the more Iwant to comeback to AOE2.
As if the graphics weren't already a big turn off... Thanks for saving me £50.
@Lee Tabern Units are cartoonish as hell. I hate it.
I feel like this comment section is missing the point. AoE4 is fun, good, whatever. But can you say that it's better than AoE2 and AoE3 DE? Okay it's different but is it better? Do you actually believe it's better and would replace the old games with this new game? AoE4 should be good enough that people move on from the old game to this game. When SC2 came out, MOST SC1 players moved to SC2. Same with War3, same with other similar titles like TW:Warhammer 2. Was it fun? Yes. Will I probably get it even if to just play with friends? Probably. Is it underwhelming? Yes. 14 years to make the next AoE game and this is it.
I think you missed the point. I believe aoe4 goal isn’t to take people away from aoe 2&3. This is true because they’re still making updates for both those games, I think aoe4 purpose is to allow players to have a new game to play when players get tired of playing the older series. And I think the game ended up being a much needed breath of fresh air
Like most people watching this I've played endless hours of the AOE series for 20+ years. Originally I couldn't wait for this to come out based on the trailer, but as I've seen more and more gameplay AOE IV looks to be a huge dud. There is no way I would pay $60 for this game. At this point and based on what I've seen, I wouldn't pay anything for it. This is an incomplete, lazy production and nothing more than a money grab that's reliant on people's nostalgia. The graphics, the battles between soldiers, all of it looks like a complete afterthought. Don't waste your money and reward these clowns for making such a piss poor installment of such a great franchise.
In all honesty, the biggest turn down for me would be a population cap on 200 max. Like in custom non ranked games too.
I agree. such a turn off.
Indeed, graphics remind me all too much of two early-2000s games - C&C Generals and Art of Magic.
I feel like gamers nowaday has been spoiled by low quality games for the last decade that they no longer have expectation and know what a quality game should be anymore. AoE4 is so mediocre of a game there's nothing to look forward to. The fun you have playing this game is equal the fun of playing a zombie horde shooting game. Low quality, dumb fun! The devs can't even get some basic design right. Like if you gonna make unit able to move through buildings then create building models with a road outline so at least there's space between them and you can see units move between buildings naturally instead of just ghosting through them. Villagers harvesting carcass get all clumped up you can't tell if they're doing their job or not and it's annoying to pull on worker out to do other task because they're all clumped up to the carcass. In old AoE games and AoM every animals has a circle around them so when villagers harvest their carcass they'll spread out evenly around the carcass. Such basic detail and this game couldn't even get right.
Age of empires online was fun to play single player.
Replay feature seems to exist as they released a replay video on the xbox channel. Also, most of your arguments are really subjective/personal preference or reading into things. Bashing Relic for release 1 truly bad game, without mentioning why that game flopped (GW influence to reach the LOL market) and ignoring all the other great games they've made seems like a fairly biased point of view. I can give a well grounded argument for almost every single one of your points, a few are fair, but most of the time still fairly subjective. All in all, great bait mate!
Yep, bait indeed
Alot of truth in this video but I dont think these things cant be fixed or added later. At least I hope so. Im looking foward to this game.
from my experience of bad games since 2013. I have so far not bumped into a single game so far that has received a major re-design overhaul to literally listen to all the interested party's complaints and wants of features. You say these things can be fixed? yea right. Often it's not just technically impossible because people don't know yet how deep the problems are with it's hard coding yet, but also over the years I realised that most company's especially the larger ones never dare to admit they made a rather bad game or admit to delay release dates, with the result of not fixing issues in order to save face. In other words it's an ego thing, often for such people starting to make major overhauls and major fixes is like they are admittedly confessing to the mediocrity of their game, especially one they are about to release.
Games with constant updates aren't good 'cause they're never consistent. It's like playing on quicksand.
Will you put age of empires 4 video when it will launch?
I agree with you 100%. I wouldn't spend 15 euros on this train wreck
Translation:
1.) the Previous games were good, therefore you shouldn't buy the next game?
2-3.) DOWIII wasn't great, never mind all the other great games that relic helped with.
4.)WWHHHAAA game different from game I like
WTF were these points. maybe a tenth of them were valid points and the rest were just repeats and stretches
5:17 "lets be real, this is not a 2021 game, this is more like a 2010 game when it comes to graphics"
did you see the minimum and recommended specs? it looks like they designed this game to run on a low end laptop from 6 years ago.
6:15 " because it make the game look cartoony"
OH MY GOD! WHO CARES?!?!
10:29 "You'll notice that you'll be clicking escape a lot during gameplay even though you didn't want to because reasons"
umm??? No??? between the last 2 betas I noticed none of this.
mate, dude made a video about his opinion on the game.
Why do you become so defensive about his opinion and try to make it seem like his opinion is stupid.
Grow up and accept that not everyone likes what you like.
That's an accurate representation of what he said if you ignore most of his points.
I've been seeing a lot of ridiculous and exaggerated criticisms of the game, which is annoying. When you add all the fanboying and white knighting to the mix... well, I'm starting to think the odious community is enough of a reason to pass on this one.
@@UberMenschNowFilms honestly most of them u never even gonna meet on multiplayer since they only play the campaign lol. I will try it because I have game pass tho, wouldn't commit 60$ unless i knew the game was in a healthy stage.
@@MadaoAU I mean he's welcome to his opinions, but when you post shit online it's open to criticism, and honestly, I don't think he had nearly enough valid points to make it to 60. Realistically if he combined all of his repeats and reasons so close to eachother they could realistically be the same point, he's got maybe 20.
Overall I felt the list was Contrived and he didn't have nearly enough reasons to make 60, so he had to stretch out his points and make 2-3 slightly different copies of each point to get there.
While I agree he was a bit nitpicky, most of his points are valid. I liked the game when I played but don't think it's ready and certainly don't think it's worth $60. A company's other work is important. If their last game was really bad that could implicate their new game will be bad. I don't think AoE4 is bad but it's a valid concern. The graphics do look like they are from 10 years ago on a 6 year old laptop and a lot of people care, just check out the forums.
I have no idea why you would need to press Escape though, Idk why he mentioned that.
Should not buy AOE4 because 2 and 3 are very good games?? hmm.
yeah this was a very bias take
No the 3rd part failed as the 4th will too. Its not clean and never even come close to aoe2 cause of very poor multilayer/competitibe gameplay.
3 sucks. Waht do you mean?
@@Vladd0r aoe3 didnt meet expectations and havent come close to aoe2, aoe4 will be just slightly better
I completely agree. They could've made it better. Its just too basic with nothing new. It doesn't give me that excitement and goosebumps I had when I saw AOE 3 and AOM for the first time. I am certain people will forget this within a month and go back to prev titles.
You got goosebumps when you saw AOE 3 and look at it now a complete flop, a failure. I'd rather have a game for longevity than one for experimenting with new things.
@@ChaosRevealsOrder AOE 3 is far from a failure my friend. It has a huge community and there are many people and youtubers who still play it. We can feel a lot of work was put in the game. It captured colonial era perfectly and was ahead of its time with its graphics and gameplay design. The music is also one of the best soundtracks ever. AOE 4 should have brought some new innovative ideas. Why the same basic stuff even after 20 years? We must admit that it doesn't look like triple A next gen 2021 game and won't be considered as one of the greats.
I think only around half of these points are real issues (namely things like input latency and homing arrows) and the rest are just your personal preferences or expectations not being met
Fair enough. It's my video, on my channel after all, right?
@@sprEEEzy lol you sound like a 10 years old sprEEEzy
damn these aoe fans really trying to defend this joke of a game
@Green Mosaic what are you even basing that comment on lol????
@Green Mosaic and therefore I haven't played it????
Completely agree with this. The graphics look like a cartoon, looks like a mobile game. There's no gore, no blood, no skeletons, it's made for the Chinese censored gaming community in mind. The UI is a joke and the icons are laughable. So many problems with this game and it is not deserving of having the aoe name.
All your dislikes are blind soyboys who will buy anything no matter how bad it is because they lack critical thinking. Good video a lot of people out here agree with you.
Agree.
This is literally one of the most nonsensical videos ever. This guy's first ten reasons have nothing to do with the game itself. They have to do with "high expectations", the developer, the previous game the developer made, and poor marketing.
For those who care, the game is excellent. Its NOT AOE2 but an interesting variant to it, where mechanics have been slightly edited. But it is definitely a GOOD GAME.
you are right, i am at reason 10 and no good reason until now
Expectations should be high when you pay 60$ for a game
Aoeo did much better in core mechanic
As for me this is just nagging. I played AOE 2 and 3 a lot and I think that AOE 4 is a really good game. Since AOE is RTS (not FPS) graphics is ok (actually I really like this new style). UI a bit boring, but its very simple and straightforward, which is good for a tense game. Team colours are good too ( you will always see from which team which unit, even if you have vision problems). Gameplay is awesome too. It kept traditions from AOE 2 and dynamism from AOE 3 and AOE 4 also reminds me good old Stronghold Crusaders.
I'm glad the game's good for you, but you've commented on it on a very superficial level. The points raised in the video are related to the longevity of the game, especially as a competitive one.
Maybe they should have added 8 more civilizations? That 60 US dollar price point would have been worth 60 price tag. I also have another problem too? Like with the Chinese they should have added more gunpowder units like the Crouching Tiger Cannon, Rocket Cart or Fire Cart, Flying Crow Rocket, 7 or 8 mast Junk Treasure ship, and a Musket unit called the Shenjiying 神机营 which is armed with the RAPID THUNDER BOLT GUN (迅雷銃) that was able too fire 5 rounds. They also had a weapon called Huolongchushui 火龙出水 the world's earliest multistage rockets and ballistic cruise missiles, fired at enemy ships in naval battles. It was used to strike fear into enemy troops and enemy ships.
yeah, I'm a huge age fan, pre-ordered it, and honestly it feels like shit. complete disappoinment. Water battles are the worst. Just compare AoE3 ships with AoE4 and you will think it's a joke. not worth the money ladies and gents
As someone who plays games with RTS elements, but usually not full on RTS games (and when I do, usually very casually) this game seems awesome (after playing the stress test for a while). Plus, as a history nerd it'll just be my simulator of Englands tradition to invade France.
No one mentions the lack of troop variety
As opposed to what? It has same number of troops as AoE 2 pretty much.
@@Methodius7 you say "pretty much" Which implies there is more variety but not much. You have clearly never played the old aoe games were there was alot of special and unique troops
@@thefoodcan did aoe 2 have more or less troop when it came out ?
@@fekashifekashi3937 AoE2:DE has more variety with all the DLC but AoE4 for sure has more variety than AoE2/AoC. Idk why the dude said "older aoe games" when he meant AoE2:DE
@@fekashifekashi3937yes
Graphics and ui is a disaster... Will wait and see how they patch it.. What I don't understand is why they went for aoe3 graphics when aoe2 was immensely more popular...
Because AoE2 was a 2D engine. I also think a 2D engine would have been better and generally more snappy feeling, I think most people would be upset it was 2D today. In fact, the last time I mentioned it on another video I was told "this is 2021, were not making a game to please boomers."
have you played or seen AoE3 DE recently? It looks way better than AoE4 graphically.
This game has just launched. Anyone knows todays games come with patches to fix the requests by their customers. No complaints here.
This take aged like sour milk. AoE2/3 and AoM pros all love this game lmao
Pros wont stick with it, its new and fresh thats why they love it. This game has no micro ant its hella unbalanced. Really fun to play but gets boring really quick especially if u want to esport this lmao. It just wont work. Esport will boil down who has more units and thats it
@@Vlix223 if you say so, reminds me quite a bit of SC2 and a few AoE2 and SC2 pros put out videos saying much the same. I’m sure though that you know better.
Some points were weak but enough were convincing and i shall wait for a sale.
A healthy take.
@@sprEEEzy yes i dont want to miss out on this game. The single player should be hours of fun on it's own. But i'm patient enough to wait up to a whole year. Hopefully the player base will be healthy for a few years to come. AoE4 reeks of "rise of nations" vibes which was made easy for people who are too slow to micro. It was still a timeless classic game but it's no AoE2.
It's basically updated age of empires 2 what's not to like?
Not really
is it too late? before the aoe4 publish, microsoft found there are so many sleepy developer who are hiding sth...
aoe4 is not too bad, but for 3 years team work, such a waste, aoe4 has no new idea, it just a newer copy of old aoe, this is a shame.
I was going to dislike this but you gave good valid points. I think some points are mute as some things will be changed. But yeah I would definitely not get involved with competitive play with this game when age 2 is still close to 1005% better.
Same as you. I really enjoyed the testing and probably gonna buy the game, but I agree in a lot of points with him and we just want a better game.
Points are moot, not mute
AOE 4 was most likely made with the casual players in mind. I personally had fun with AOE 4 on the stress test. I do not think that AOE 4 will be better than AOE 2 DE to the point where people will stop playing it. We'll see a shift of the player base move over to AOE 4 for a few weeks, and then all the hardcore players will 100% move over back to AOE 2 DE. I'm pretty sure AOE 4 intentions are not to completely try to kill off AOE 2 DE. It won't happen.
lots of dislikes I see, but you are completely right. The is poorly coded and the devs did not play their own game, and they clearly did not understand what ensebmle studio did with AoE
if one complaint is graphics just because "some people" well you already lost that argument there... how is that old gaming saying goes??? grading a game for graphics is like watching porn for the story
Very good points. I just watched some gameplay from the game today and I think most of these things you complained about are still there. I agree a lot of them are truly bad design choices. Overall I don't like the art style and UI design in this game.
While you have some good points. A good amount of these are very subjective, or are just changes from the previous versions that you paint as a strictly bad thing. This takes away from legitimacy of your other points.
I getting it because it's part of my Game Pass subscription so I basically have nothing to lose ...... I play mostly, almost entirely single player because most people online these days are toxic jerkovs .....
End up being you are right.
Why this has so many downvotes? The points are really valid, sadly.
'Cause people WANT TO BELIEVE in AoE 4, and they dont like anyone raining on their wish parade.
This game needs at least a year of fine tuning.
Welcome to the 2021 development cycle.
Actually it was one of the cleanest betas I was in. Very few bugs no crashes etc.
@@Methodius7 agreed however the game
Is just lacking. Missing many simple things from previous AOEs
Why isn't anyone talking about the shitty scale of the buildings? The infantry units are twice the size of the doors to the buildings. The camel riders are taller than the archery ranges.
I don't know why they made the scaling so bad.
@@scotchwhisky6094 It's so cartoonish...
PUBG player reviewing AOE😂😂, backfired badly
AOE3 is better.... even graphyic
I guess the downvote ratio speaks for itself.
Yes, it says that there is plenty of fools who will pay 60$ for a mediocre game. I've already done that for Reforged, I`m not getting fooled again. Blind trust in the brand is never good.
@@InspiredName I don't think you have been told before, but not preordering games is not a personality.
@@marcellaxis Being a simp is also not a personality, however it uses the same type of mentality. I don`t have a problem with people preordering games without having played a single second of the unreleased game, the same as I don`t have a problem with people paying random women/men over the internet. But this doesn`t mean that I can`t have an opinion about them.
@@InspiredName Sorry, I got a stroke reading your comment so I'm going to leave you arguing with yourself, since that is what you are doing anyways.
Games Developers need a person like u🙏🏻