Sedevacantism Debate: Are John XXIII Through Francis True Popes? Jeff Cassman Vs Br. Peter Dimond
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- Jeff Cassman will take the affirmative, Bro. Peter Dimond, the negative. Debate format and bio's below.
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DEBATE FORMAT
Opening Statements 10 Min each
5 min Response each
Cross Examination 10 Min Each
Cross Examination 10 Min Each
2 Min break
5 Min Response Each
Cross Examination 10 Min Each
Cross Examination 7 Min Each
Closing Statement 5 Min each
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Jeff Cassman is a former Air Force Intelligence Analyst and a predictive behavioral modeling expert for an ad agency in Nashville, TN. He’s a cradle Catholic and first attended a traditionalLatin Mass in 2000. He later studied theology at Holy Apostles College in Connecticut.
Jeff is a co-founder of Catholic Men of America, our country’s only national professional business fraternity for Catholic men. He is a gentleman farmer, raising pigs, rabbits, chicken and quail and has designed and built aquaponic greenhouse growing environments for tilapia and organic produce. Jeff has been married to his high school sweetheart, Sarah for 28 years and they have homeschooled their 14 children (11 boys and three girls), now ages 3 to 26. In his spare time,Jeff enjoys eating and sleeping.
Bro. Dimond: Bro. Peter Dimond is a traditional Catholic religious and apologist who has been a member of Most Holy Family Monastery (a traditional Catholic monastery) in Fillmore, NY, for over 20 years. He has made final Benedictine vows. He has produced many videos and documentaries on theology and the Church. He has written many articles and engaged in many debates on Catholic and theological matters. He is the author of various books, including The Bible Proves The Teachings Of The Catholic Church and the co-author of The Truth About What Really Happened To The Catholic Church After Vatican II. His material can be viewed at vaticancatholic.com
00:00 Start
1:52 Intro
2:40 Jeff Cassman opening statement
12:50 Br. Peter Dimond opening statement
22:30 Jeff Cassman response
27:25 Br. Peter Dimond response
32:37 Cassman’s Cross-Examination of Dimond
43:29 Dimond’s Cross-Examination of Cassman
53:39 Cassman’s 2nd Cross-Examination of Dimond
1:03:48 Dimond’s 2nd Cross-Examination of Cassman
1:21:12 Jeff Cassman 2nd response
1:26:10 Br. Peter Dimond 2nd response
1:31:12 Cassman’s 3rd Cross-Examination of Dimond
1:41:30 Dimond’s 3rd Cross-Examination of Cassman
1:51:34 Cassman’s 4th Cross-Examination of Dimond
1:58:52 Dimond’s 4th Cross-Examination of Cassman
2:06:03 Jeff Cassman closing statement
2:10:40 Br. Peter Dimond closing statement
2:15:20 Wrap-up - Zábava
Bro. Dimond wiped the floor with him. It was a total rout.
His concerns are all our concerns. The fact that there are bishops or cardinals at vatican 2 were freemasons. Baggio, Bugnini, etc. Maybe even Bergolio
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq Don't forget Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli (john 23rd) who was definitely a freemason
Imagine, as a Catholic, being asked if the pope professes the true faith. And you can't answer.
@@brianluis4248 eastern “orthodoxy” is an absurd polytheistic religion which worships uncreated energies as God even though those energies are infinitely lesser than and distinct from the Divine Essence.
@@brianluis4248 amen
@@brianluis4248 I’ve no idea how on earth you came to that conclusion
That was one of the best highlights of the debate. It totally got him off guard.
It's just reality.
Cassman was DESTROYED. The idea that you can't "know" if there is a heresy being said unless there is a formal authority stating it, this is absolutely nuts and absurd.
If he had been asked what a woman is, he’d say he couldn’t answer because he wasn’t a doctor.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This would follow from believing in a teaching magisterium.
not even what he was saying
@@Emanresuadeen ..... precisely.
Peter diamond won so thoroughly that people are begging for the video to be deleted.
Only cowards and schismatics want this video deleted.
No, no, it's because it's 'scandalous.' You see, they're afraid the likes of Fra Dimond might lead people out of the 'religion' its hierarchs say you shouldn't try to convert anyone to, and that is no big deal anyway. Plus, it's only going to change until God smites it anyway. Thus, there is no singular, unified religion to join. V2 is the spiritual equivalent of 'da Rona.'
Also, everyone but smelly Sedes go to Heaven anyway, thilly! See? The unfailingly charitable Novus Ordites are really just trying to _save_ everyone! Don't you feel bad now?
#cope #copium
Really they want this to be deleted??? I’m totally convinced of Brother Peter and everything he said makes so much sense.
@@Maya-yp2ey I pray you keep attending Mass, for the sake of your soul.
@@Maya-yp2ey ,
At least they _did._ Please note that the OP is eleven months old.
Jeff Cassman is worried about his image, worried about maintaining his appearences, while Peter Dimon is clearly interested in the debate.
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
Just to be clear the Jews covenant has been absolutely revoked. Salvation ONLY comes through Jesus and His Church. Amazing this would be “controversial” in our time.
Well you’re dealing with a group of apostates and children of the Devil who at this moment have control of the world from the shadows, the first who became the last.
It explains why it’s controversial. They fooled the whole world into believing that an extermination happened to them 80 odd years ago after all.
In a time of looking like the end of days, if you were charged with getting out and ‘saving’ as many people as you could before the curtain closed, how would you go about it?
Would you stay at home and pound your desk repeating the (NT) ‘laws’ you have been taught expecting a proud world to either yield or perish, or would you seek to go and and talk to anyone and everyone who needs saving by engaging them on their own terms (without yielding your own doctrines) until they might see the tiny light filled tunnel that leads from the way they are thinking to a true understanding of Jesus, his sacrifice, his mission and Heaven ?
@@eddiej9733 the second option
Why does Romans 11 say that God hasn’t rejected His people (Israel) and that the call of God is irrevocable. That Israel will be saved, and that mercy will be given to them?
@@christsavesreadromans1096 The Church is the new Israel.
As an outside observer non-Catholic, Dimond was way more convincing. This surprised me given all the slander against him I've seen on CZcams.
same here. im an outsider as well, but Br. Dimond really seems to have a solid case.
It’s slander for a reason, because they can’t deal with his position.
Those who seek to live a righteous life in the Lord will be persecuted.
Matthew 10:25
If you think Bob Dimond was convincing, wait until you see Ryan Shenouda's documentary The DeSecration of (")CathOlIc(") Places [czcams.com/video/Uqr0oTDqy50/video.html] [czcams.com/video/O_bcsBJ3O-U/video.html] (2020)!
Agreed. He is one of the best from the roman church: highly intelligent, but he makes almost genius-level gymnastics to prove doctrines which cant be proved in his other videos. Always enjoyable to hear him.
God rest
Brother Peter getting it done! You are right there are thousands of us that see what you are saying!
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
"Why are you interrupting me? I gave you respect?"
Cassman ten minutes earlier: "Well if you had ACTUALLY read so and so author" (and be turned out to be incredibly wrong and Dimond right).
If you watch carefully, you'll also notice that Cassman filibusters quite a bit to eat up time and when Peter finally got tired of it and tried to break in, Cassman made that accusation of "interrupting".
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
@@willweigand5820exactly you got that right!
Dimond won and was leagues ahead and few Catholics want to agree
Perhaps because he's not actually teaching Catholic dogma...
Bro Peter Dimond did well; he expressed his position clearly, logically, and well documented.
Why would he address him by the title of Brother when this man clearly is not? He is not a member of the Catholic Church.
@@philfrank5601 Actually he is a member of the Catholic Church, but not of the false apostate Vatican II counter church.
You answer yourself. If Jeff Cassman calls the traditional Catholic Benedictine monk Peter Dimond his brother, it is because Jeff is simply telling you to your face that he is following the heresy of the Second Vatican Council, but what heresy? that of calling brother in faith, separated brother..., anyone who professes faith in Jesus Christ. If Jeff were a true Catholic, of course he wouldn't call the Benedictine Catholic Brother Peter Dimond "brother," because Jeff in his supposedly Catholic conception would know that this monk would not be a true Catholic, but the proof is right in your face: Jeff Cassman IS A MODERNIST HERETIC OF THE APOSTETIC AND HERETIC SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL, who is calling everyone who believes in Christ a brother, as the PESTILE DOCUMENT ON VATICAN II ECUMENISM says: UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO NUMBER 1 Here in Unitatis Redintegratio numeral 1 of Vatican II you can see Jeff's HERESY of calling those who believe in Christ "brothers", separated brothers, this without caring to the Masonic Council that those "separated brothers" are heretics and that they are the doors of the hell from Matthew 16, 18. The difference with brother Pedro Dimond is that HE IS CATHOLIC! And Jeff's own weakness in calling a monk who he considers a rebel against the authority of the Church and therefore outside its bosom, only reveals himself as a heretic, why? because he absorbed the HERESY of the Second Vatican Council of calling HERETICS separate brothers, and Jeff is part of those MODERNIST HERETICS
@@philfrank5601Yes he is.
@@Flagrum3Bingo
Brother is crazy, scary smart. Like abnormally smart. He won.
I'll Follow Christs Church....NOT DIMONDS ..👎..🙏
@Smithsnmoz I think he also follows Christ's. That's his whole point. The vatican 2 anti church is not Christs Church.
@@johncas4845 Dude, no... Listen to the authority of the Church.. don't go your own way like the protestants...
@@noahm44 amén
His whole point is that Vatican II went its own way. He is arguing that we should remain Catholic. He is arguing that Francis is an antipope. Did you even listen to the debate?
Just the fact that this conversation is taking place is saying a lot about the emergency that is on going in the church. Questions are similar to "what is a woman?" A: "I am not a doctor."😔
This is THE point. There is an elephant in the living room when you can't honestly answer the question "is the pope catholic?".
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
I am honestly shocked how reasonable and well researched Brother Dimond was. He won.
I know Matt Fraddie does a lot of click bait to appease reach and view counts but at some point you have to think, some of the stuff he is propagating is just scandalous and perhaps even sinful for giving it a platform. You are not to give errors rights, just like with Protestantism.
@@louisIXco Saints and even doctors of the Church held the sedevacantist position. To ask for this to be censored is far from Catholic. Cassman was absolutely destroyed in this debate. And I think it was because he was wrong. If U want to censor speech it’s probably because u can’t defend ur position
@@louisIXco I am not a sedevacantist, but Dimond clearly won the debate. So the scandal does not come from Matt for hosting the debate, but from Jeff’s lack of research to properly dismantle it
@@christisking9773 the Church used to ban books. Do you think that was coincidental?
@@Seethi_C that is absurd. These podcasters are the ones that will be held liable for how much spewed from their platforms.
Br. Dimond you're a diamond to the Catholic Church.
🇲🇹
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
Many Catholics share Brother Peter's insight.
His concern is shared by many. The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?
A heretical lack of sight. Jesus promised to NEVER ABANDON HIS CHURCH. I believe Jesus
@@denisebraganzaJesus didn’t abandon the church, the church abandoned Jesus. That’s the whole point of this movement.
Slight correction, modernist heretics who infiltrated and took over the buildings abandoned Jesus with the heretical vatican II council. @@AlejandroDeLaRosa05
he didn't
I liked watching Cassian's facial expression as br. Diamond would respond and so thorough destroy Cassman. It was like watching a skyscraper being demolished.
I like how Brother Peter had no response to how his sedevacantist cult doesn't have the visible unity of the church that is one of the marks of the Catholic church.
Ecclesiam Dei (Pope Pius XI (1923))
The Church possesses-a fact known to all-as one of its visible marks, impressed on it by God, that of a world-wide unity. Christ, Our Lord, not only entrusted to His Apostles and, to them alone, the mission which He had received from His Father ... He also wished the College of Apostles to possess perfect unity, a unity based on a twofold and well-knit bond, one bond internal, ..., for He conferred upon Peter a primacy over the Apostles as a perpetual principle and visible foundation for the Church’s unity. At the close of His mortal life, he impressed upon the Apostles in the strongest possible terms the supreme need of this unity.
@@irreviewBro. Dimond answered that question. He quoted St. Francis de Sales the Church in the end of times would be 'secret and hidden,' and St. Augustine the true Church 'will not appear before the end of the world. ' Bro. Dimond also quoted Luke 18:8 that in the end Christ won't find the faith on earth.
Buildings and robes don't mean Faith if your Pope prays to Pachamamas! Proverbs 15:8 comes to mind: The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.
@@johninsoca2844 then you deny the promise of Christ that the church would prevail until the end, if all the successors of the apostles fell into heresy. You also deny Vatican I, which promises a perpetual succession of the chair of St Peter.
@@irreview No I don't, heretic. The true Church exists in a FAITHFUL remnant. If you deviate from one thing, you are outside the true Church. That's how Christ guarantees the gates of hell don't prevail. Heretics like yourself are the gates of hell. You and Francis and Pachamamas all are part of the same religion. If you recognise Francis as you Pope, then you are in the Vatican II Sect.
Gabriel,
It looked like Dimond's opponent would make a statement, then wait to see if his answer was right. Dimond was the judge. He looked like he was thinking "Boy, I picked the wrong guy to debate. 🤣
Bro. Peter clearly won this debate. Anyone who says otherwise is intellectually dishonest. It doesn’t necessarily mean sedevacantism is triumphant, but it does mean it was clearly better presented than the non-sedevacantist position.
Peter Dimond was basically called a heretic
@@stlouisix3 take it easy there Louis. You’re The ignoramus
@@jamesmurphy9013 says the ignoramus😱
They both lost... as did all of us who listened to this... and I'm being intellectually honest. :)
@@stlouisix3 heresy can never be 100% correct, remember anyone who says you fool! Is liable to judgment
Br. Dimond is so on point that Jeff could not even handle him... he almost went ad hominem. He lost BIG time... Br. Dimond.... WOW.... won hands down. NO DOUBT.
Funny how a Catholic can discern what is infallible but can’t discern what is heretical. 🤔
Which means an impotent effect, i.e., a #contradiction and, thus, an impossibility.
It was clear Cassman was losing when the Biden question came up. His whole argument collapsed.
What a great debate! Very respectful and intelligent. Don’t take this down. Catholics need these kind of conversations. Thanks Matt !
Article by The Catholic Esquire - Yes, Catholics Can Judge who is Pope, which explains why It is not outside of our state I came here to learn.
I'd lik to s Bro. Peter and Fr. Ripperger debate.these issues.
@YP Poe - what do you mean by the second mental act - a kind of discernment?
@YP Poe -oh yes, thank you. You seem to be consistently spot on ( that is, according to my reasoning).
@YP Poe - I can't send links. Sometimes it will work if included in comment below the vid, but not if I comment in reply from notifications. I have to write out tittles to books , article or vids...(Can you write it out?) Thanks.
I’m looking out the window it’s raining , there are puddles on the street.
The Vatican 2 Church is telling me that it’s sunny & clear.
Dimond : Yes it is obviously raining
Cassman : you are not a meteorologist, you have no authority to say it is raining or not.
Dimond: is the road wet ?
Cassman : my bishop says it’s sunny
Dimond: what about the water falling from the sky & the puddles ?
Cassman: According to Christ it can never rain .
I’m not a sede , but man , how do you just ignore the obvious blasphemies coming from the hierarchy & just say that you don’t have the authority to make a judgement?
When Biden is making public announcements against the Faith on multiple occasions & you can’t even make a logical conclusion that he isn’t a believer in the Catholic Faith , that is really disturbing to me.
When a Pope publicly Bow’s his head in worship to a pagan idol , and you refuse to admit that he engaged in false worship , or the abundance of heretical writings put out publicly over a span of decades, and you still refuse to see it’s raining , I just have a hard time taking someone like that seriously.
I have to admit that Dimond made some great points. The Vatican 2 Popes are modernists & have acted against the Faith.
The question really is what does this mean ?
Cassman should have admitted the obvious & maybe argued that yes the popes are heretical, but ……….. ( I don’t know what ???)
You could call or email their monastery; they have people there to answer questions. They are quite charitable in that regard
It means that papism is false, and Eastern Orthodoxy was right all along. The Orthodox Church are the original true sedevacantists, since we claim that there wasn't a valid Roman bishop for about a thousand years now - the innovations had started many hundreds of years before Vatican 2: adding to the Creed, changing the ecclesiology from the conciliar approach of the first millennium to a unilateral dictatorship, perverting the liturgy and so on and so forth.
The real One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Eastern Orthodox Church is not built on one dude in one city, but on Christ and every bishop is a successor to the apostles not just the bishop of Rome.
So many touchdowns by Brother Peter Dimond. Crushed his opponent on the field!
Hands down... Truth was undeniable.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
He really doesn't like vatican 2. He needs to make friends in Rome with Cardinals that are not stone cutters if he can find them. The get the Gagnon report or get a way to expose them.
Over the last 35 years I've heard the words "in the spirit of Vatican 2" many times. I never heard a priest or Catholic educator say the words "in the spirit of Florence". Something is wrong.
The reference to "in the spirit of Vatican 2" or pre-or post vatican 2 is because the Catican 2 Council from its procedures and execution of those procedures and the "shananigans" and suppression of opinions to push through the "changes" were earth shattering. Even Paul VI regretted it. I am reading the 3 book series by Michael Davies and it is eye opening!!!!
"Paul VI" was a Mason. So were "John Paul II" and "BeneDict XVI". So is "Francis". Does "Francis" ProFess the True Faith?
@@miguelpasamano4995is this proven? How can i find out?
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
@@mydreamsarecomingtrue no, it's not proven and it's not true
Bro. Peter: *proves repeatedly and thoroughly on the matter of heresy*
Cassman: You're going to have to prove it!
This guy makes me sick...
The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. Maybe the Percelli list in its original published firm. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
I'm listening carefully and I have a great respect for Jeff, but I must admit that Bro. Peter Dimond got a interesting point and all what he had said until now it's totally correct and well funded. 🙏🙏🙏
Was "Brother" Dimond divinely (ordinarily or extraordinarily) appointed as a legitimate judge of the Church?
Trent Horn is afraid of debating Brother Peter directly.
At least the consequences thereof.
The winner of the debate is all of those who listened. Bottom line - the debate underscores the major problems in the conciliar church. We should all know that we can never go wrong if we believe and worship the same way or forefathers did - that’s a sure path in these confusing times
That would mean throwing all the medieval, premodern, modern, and postmodern apostate AntiPopes, all the scholastics, all the hesychasts, and all the post-schism "prayers", "devotions", and other pagan superstitious practices out which I have no problem doing.
When I witness a murder take place in broad daylight, I don't need the authorities to let me know who the murderer is. I know it because I have seen it and heard it from the beginning. Official denouncements and penalties come later from the authorities when they finally arrest the criminal and figure it out.
Correct. Bro Dimond murdered Cassman and we are all witnesses. Lol
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
And you still need a judicial process before you convict the murderer. Not self imposed, unauthorised proclamation.
@@denisebraganza Correct, but don't hold your breath. That is not coming soon. The Roman judicial hierarchy is filled with heretics. What is coming soon however is the Judgement of Jesus Christ on Bergoglio. In the meantime every true Catholic has the duty to defend the faith by calling out the enemy it sees, otherwise you would be a coward. Don't be fooled by titles, just look at what happened to Nestorius.
Bro. Dimond is very prepared. It is to hard for the other debater to defend any of the post conciliar Popes. Bro. Dimond uses their own words to indict them. Great debate, great fun. Thank you!
they changed the words of consecration for the wine its invalid, thats why the harlot is always identified with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
And Bro. Did not need Teleprompter. Look at the glasses glare of other man. You can see it
Bro. Dimond seemed prepared because he is, and has been debating heretics and false Christians for many years. He has done extensive study on Church teachings and the magisterium, amongst many other writings. I've followed MHFM for years and have yet to find error or contradiction in what they propose.
@@Flagrum3 Is scandal no longer a sin?
@@glennryan646 What scandal are you talking about?
Pope Pius XI: “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the meetings of non-Catholics…” (Mortalium Animos, 1928)
Sorry to say, but I found Jeff Cassman's defense of Francis and the Vatican offensive. Br. Peter Dimond was on point and above reproach.
Yours is one of the more ridiculous posts here. ‘Above reproach’ was the line that crueled you. But followed closely by ‘offensive’
@@eddiej9733 "crueled" is not a word, genius. I do agree however, that no soul, with the exception of the Holy Virgin, is above reproach.
Dimond won the debate but he is basically arguing like a Protestant, something which he would obviously deny. The question of authority is something which he can’t convincingly answer (Protestants can answer it but he doesn’t want to be a Protestant so he can’t give a convincing answer). He can’t solve the authority problem so it’s ultimately him, and the people who hold the same views as him, who are the ultimate authority, even if he would deny that by quoting (picking and choosing) former popes and texts, thereby proving my point.
@@raskolnikov6443 Hear! Hear! Well said. These people set themselves as Judges of the Church, which is both preposterous and scandalous.
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
Jeff Cassman’s “”how do you stand against the entirety of the Church, how do you alone …” is eerily similar to emperor telling Athanasuis that the whole world was Arian… “Athanasuis Contra Mundum” was his response. I’m not comparing Brother Dimond to St Athanasuis but truth is not a popularity contest and Cassman’s “everyone believes…” is not a legitimate position in the case.
Many, many examples throughout history. St Thomas More's own bishops in union the Bishop of Canterbury told him the same thing. Only the elderly Bishop Fisher dissented.
The Anglican service in Rome that Francis permitted is more proof of what the sedevacantist Catholic said in this debate. Listen carefully to the debate.
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity 🎉
We need Bro Dimond more. I'm a Catholic, but Bro Dimond arguments are strong and solid rocks! We will never leave the Church, but we need to unite and cleanse the Church of any heresies
Yes, I agree with you.
While he is generally right about muchnof what he says he is technically wrong about a lot. Watch Trent on his podcast refute much of it.
He's a heretic tho
@@sttlok How?
And how will this be accomplished?
Thank you for hosting Matt!
God bless Bro Peter Dimond
First, Peter Dimonds real name is Bobby. Second, he is not a real brother. Third, he denies the holocaust. Fourth, he spreads lies to defame people (I have proof). Dont follow this heretic. I have proof he is evil if you need it.
Oh how sad it is to see men who claim to be Catholic while proclaiming, against Our Lord's very promise (Mt 16:18), that the gates of Hell have prevailed against His Church.
@@Win5ton67not what that means , st Thomas aquinas says what it means and that is , the lying tongues of the heretics which is in the Vatican II
@@Win5ton67 the Lord said he will never leave the church. But the Church leave our Lord when the High authorities in Vatican committed numerous heretical things.
@@JulreeDangngay-es6nm Have you been appointed by God to be a Judge of the Church or Her authorities?
Brother Dimond seems to be closer to the truth, in our modern times, where the faith is being greatly distorted. I think he’s won this debate with Cassman.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Congratulations Br. Dimond. Truth is authority.
Your Excellency, you cannot supporting (I wanted to say : congatulating) him...
The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII.
These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the Br. Dimond.
Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.”
Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ.
Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so these people denying the Authority of Popes had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized Paul VI in 1964 and 1965.
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Fake bishop. First, Peter Dimonds real name is Bobby. Second, he is not a real brother. Third, he denies the holocaust. Fourth, he spreads lies to defame people (I have proof). Dont follow this heretic. I have proof he is evil if you need it.
I don't want to be a sedevacantist but Bro. Peter Diamond got some really good and essential points to observe.
Congrats. You're protesting christs one church and listening to a modern day Martin luther. Popes can be sinners you know. Thats doesn't change christs church is his church.
This debate format was excellent. Would like to see more sede vs non-sede debates.
If you liked this church-crisis-related content, may I present a content which gives over, among others, Malachi Martin, who read the Third Secret of Fatima, explained the Secret contains the information that an apostasy [the apostasy was confirmed by "Cardinal" Ciappi as within the Third Secret], will make the papacy eventually be linked to an underground church distinct from a facade secularized false church? And this detail from the Secret totally contradicts what many say who take either side (Brother Peter's of Jeff's). You won't find sufficiently sound and nonmisleading information on what is going on except through the material I put out (among others the CZcams video "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers") .
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I loved being in the chat for this one. It was an absolutely chaotic experience in the best way possible. Shout-out to the mods who tried their best to keep things relatively civil, and thank you to Matt for setting up this debate.
Thank you. Deo Gratia.
We tried.
Definitely Matt for having this debate. Good on him. He was excellent as a moderator!
Thank you to Matt for setting up the teaching of heresy
If you liked this church-crisis-related content kept civil, may I present a content which gives over with absolute objectiveness, among others, that Malachi Martin, who read the Third Secret of Fatima, explained the Secret contains the information that an apostasy [the apostasy was confirmed by "Cardinal" Ciappi as within the Third Secret], will make the papacy eventually be linked to an underground church distinct from a facade secularized false church? And this detail from the Secret totally contradicts what many say who take either side (Brother Peter's of Jeff's). You won't find sufficiently sound and nonmisleading information on what is going on except through the material I put out (among others the CZcams video "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers") .
Cassman had no chance… When brother Diamond asked “Do you believe Pope Francis Professes the Truth Faith? From his external actions”. He lost the debate at that point.
No one can know another’s salvation.
@@TCM1231 But we can assess if someone professes the true faith, if you can't do that then you can't know if you're even following it yourself. As for salvation that's a matter for God and God alone - we all recognise that.
@@HOSPlTALLER Who’s to say your interpretation is right over Pope Francis? He’s the Pope. We’re just layman.
@@TCM1231You don’t have to have magisterial authority to recognize someone is speaking blatant heresy. That doesn’t mean they are going to hell or even that they are anathama, just that they are speaking heresy and must be corrected. For example, saying allah is YHWH is simply false and contradicts most of Christian theology since the rise of Islam.
Br Dimond won hands down. He kept calm, kept relevant and was by far the most knowledgeable.
What are you talking about is purely Protestant brothe Diamond only Protestant speaks like that none of your catholic sounds to me absolutely sick
It's because he prays God plus strick study about science, history, philosophy and theology.
He's a brother, everyone in the church it's requires knowledge seeking.
So call Brother this is why people like him we’re having trouble in the world catholic faith very normal absolutely nothing to it I am traditional catholic for 36 years
I am so grateful to God gave me second chance Here’s tried to destroyed catholic faith I am sure he knows exactly what is doing
He won because nobody else allowed to speak ha ha He’s scared to hear the truth is Saul so Empty full of pride mortal sin
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Brother Peter, thanks for the speak the true!, Viva Cristo Rey!
Halfway through and Br. Dimond seems to be in full control of this debate.
He was definitely on the offensive while the other was 100% just defensive
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
He won the debate but is still in schism and outside of the church with disobedience towards authority
@@marypreethavalentine9851 WRONG and you have no authority to pronounce schism unless Dimond rejects the CHAIR OF PETER. Dimond rejects the current apostate who sits in the chair, not the chair. "Better there be scandal than the truth be suppressed." Pope St. Felix. You are a typical, ignorant, illiterate Novus Ordite.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Brother Dimond just now released a new video exposing Trent Horn and challenging him to a debate.
And as can be expected, he handily dismantled Horn’s position.
Trent Horn is a self-promoting heretic and has IMO, a third-rate mind. He wouldn't dare debate Dimond. Like Fradd, the Gordon brothers, Ralph Martin, Scott Hahn, Inc., too many pseudo-intellectuals wanted to grow up to be professional Catholics, promoting not faith, but their own cults of personality and puerile books written to a sixth grade comprehension level.
The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 Trent Horn's position on what?
Peter Diamond exposes his own false teaching by contracting the Bible
I have always love how the dimond brothers (in previous debates) talked about how people that adhere to Vatican 2. Seem to be without spiritual teeth or seem to live in a spiritual fog.
Why can’t you call a spade a spade and a wolf a wolf? At this point. I am blown away that people can’t see that Francis literally is working to destroy the Catholic Church. What else would this guy have to do to be considered a false apostle? I guess he would have to declare some other “god” to be God instead of Christ.
But he has been doing that as well in acts and deeds. And people still have “eyes but can’t see, and ears that but can’t hear.”
Even if Francis publicly declared that he believed in Islam, people would still try to defend him. It’s spiritual blindness at this point.
I am not a sede nor even SSPX,but I must admit that Brother Peter did a better job.
Because he holds to the truth. God bless you.
Whis order is he in?
@@user-bl4lf9rg8m none, he is a sede
@@timothy1168 thank you. Are you on his side? I don't even understand half of what they're saying. I have only NO where I live, i didn't even knew that's the thing
@@user-bl4lf9rg8m I am not on his side. I a, simply saying he made the better argument, even though I vehemently disagree with it. Sede is short for sedevacantist, Latin for “the chair is empty”. They think all the popes from John XXIII to the current Pope Francis are all anti-popes, and hence they reject the NO and other things. Their position is a false one to take. The church must have a pope.
What's insane is that Cassman actually said, near the end of the debate, that a heretic can still be a Pope.
Earlier in the debate, br Dimond had cited several Catholic teachings which says it's impossible for a heretic to be Pope.
@@lukebrasting5108 Yes, and that's why Fr. Eric Mackenzie's Delict of Heresy was brought up by both sides in this debate.
@@lukebrasting5108 the "material/formal" heresy is AntiTraditional AntiBiblical and was never heard of before Augustinus and then Tommasi D'Aquino.
Pope Honorios...
@@KeyZ_official how did Peter lose the right to be Pope?what heresy?
@@rayoski241 Read what I said properly. They were answers to two different questions, hence the 1) and 2).
Thank you Brother Peter for opening my eyes of the truth, all my doubts are finally making sense now. May God bless you very much.
The Sede position isn’t that hard to follow:
1) Canon Law states that manifest and notorious heresy ipso facto excommunicates someone, without needing an official deposition
2) Canon Law states that a manifest heretic cannot be appointed to the Papacy
3) Vatican 2 is manifest heresy due to a number of reasons (including allowing Jews and others outside the Church to be saved, freedom of religion, etc.)
4) The bishops appointed to the Papacy since Vatican 2 accepted Vatican 2 before being appointed to the papacy
5) Thus, they were manifest heretics and cannot canonically be valid Popes
6) Therefore, the Papal Seat has remained vacant since Vatican 2
7) These are the end times.
SIMPLE AS
@@JGrimm52It's not simple as because as more time goes by, there won't be a Catholic alive before Vatican 2 thus rendering the Church meaningless. It's already absurd that every priest is not a priest because they're from the era of Vatican 2 on. Think of all the wasted actions and moments and memories of all these priests and nuns just because a thing called CZcams comes into existence and a man in upstate NY makes videos that all of them are invalid. Please think this through before you speak.
@@Danny-zm5rhAre you confusing the Home Alone/Betrayed Catholics position with Sedevacantism?
Dimond won the debate but he is basically arguing like a Protestant, something which he would obviously deny. The question of authority is something which he can’t convincingly answer (Protestants can answer it but he doesn’t want to be a Protestant so he can’t give a convincing answer). He can’t solve the authority problem so it’s ultimately him, and the people who hold the same views as him, who are the ultimate authority, even if he would deny that by quoting (picking and choosing) former popes and texts, thereby proving my point.
@@raskolnikov6443 to be fair to dimond, I don’t think the Catholic Church has sufficiently addressed the issue of a heretical pope and its implications for epistemology either.
Been waiting on something like this. Thank you Matt for organizing this.
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity 🎉
The Sede's opening statement was 🔥 🔥 🔥
@@stlouisix3 I doubt that the original commenter knows what MHFM means. For the commenter: it means Most Holy Family Monastery, Bro. Dimond's monastery.
CZcams. com / c / mhfm1
This is Dimond's channel name. Live links not allowed in comments. Take out spaces.
My opinion; Brother Peter clearly stole the show.
@@DR-nw3jn Yes it was.
@@stlouisix3 I think I saw you in Gregory mannarinos comment section
I want to thank Matt Frad for organising this debate as well as both Jeff and Peter for taking part in it. I never thought I would see this, so I was pleasantly surprised. It's rare that sedes are given a chance to explain and defend their positions on big Catholic channels. It's important for all Catholics to have these conversations in these troubled times we live in. Since recently, I've started to consider Peter's position as the most likely explanation for the crisis, but it's hard to even talk about it to other Catholics. I thought Peter did a great job here though Jeff also brought up some compelling points regarding the visibility of the Church. Though that's an issue for all trads really not just sedes.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is a demonic false teacher. He has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on all his popular videos, he isn’t a brother, he says to never attend mass, what kind of man speaks the truth yet yields such strange and darkened fruit?
I’m a Sede.
"all Catholics need to have these conversations".. No, you seem to have confused Jesus' Church with a liberal civic institution. All Catholics need to submit to the guidance of the Holy Spirit as expressed in Church councils and by the Magisterium. To think we need to "have discussions" that accuse a Church council of heresy is Protestantism.. Even Protestants would rarely refer to issues as niggling as the ones raised by Dimond as heresy.. If you want "these troubled times" to get even worse, keep giving venue to people who are attacking the unity of Jesus' church.
Difference between IQ ...one likes to appear to be intelligenr other truly intelligent ans a man if conviction. Brother dimond is very very sharp. He is using this gift from God honorably
Luther was very sharp too! Except he was a heretic. "Brother" Dimond might be very sharp, but he's still spewing out heresy.
A CZcamsr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity
Encouraging Catholics to stop going to Mass and receiving the Eucharist is not an honorable thing to do, it’s an evil thing to do.
@@Win5ton67 Luther was not sharp, was really ridiculous. Moreover antipope Francis praises Luther.
Bro. Peter Dimond absolutely won this debate and all of his arguments made perfect sense to me.
There is one argument he used that could have been crushed like doritos chips: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on CZcams and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@@PedroHLima-ss7hy ultimately, that’s not a dogmatic issue, and it has nothing to do with the question of sedevacantism.
@@sambrittenden4045 It is a dogmatic issue and it is in fact connected to sedevacantism, because if the Dimonds are correct in saying the promised period of peace has already come and no further crumbling is to be expected, this means the Dimonds and their milieu are likely to remain traditionalist, whereas the Secret implies the crumbling/apostasy will get to them and their followers infallibly (which means the dogmatic issue will get to them in the form of their dogmatic corruption). So the Dimond position falsifies the Third Secret of Fatima. It also falsifies the Third Secret and muddles the issue of Sedevacantism insofar as, according to Malachi Martin, the Third Secret describes a sede vacante, a false facade secularized church ruled by an antipope and a legitimate pope eventually connected to an underground church. The Revelation passages connected to the Secret (Revelation 8 to 13 according to Sister Lucia), and in the context of Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser's interpretation of these same chapters, indicates a new Pontiff will arise bearing the title of Ark of the Testament. The Dimond brothers told me personally this proposition is a satanic superstition meant to increase my punishment in hell. So if the Secret holds true in saying, according to Malachi Martin, a sign in the sky will reveal a power from on high that frightens the entire earth and speaks directly to people (and is connected qualitatively to the Ark of the Testament as he himself insinuates) the Dimonds will apparently simply say it is a satanic hoax or something of the kind, and this has to do with sedevacantism insofar as it has to do with an actual pope they apparently would reject. And by the way Fatima researcher used as a reputable source by the Dimonds, Frere Michel, described in detail how the heretical novelty of dogma not being convertible with belief in private revelation comes historically from Father Edouard Dhanis, s.j., the great insidious enemy and boycotter of Fatima. This thesis is also ultimately responsible for the Vatican II Council novelty of discipline without dogmatic connotation (something even Lefebvre noted was unheard of in all of Church history up to that point).
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Thank you both.
Bro. Peter I was so impressed with you. You were incredibly well prepared. You gave me a lot to think about.
"Brother" Peter, who is neither a Catholic nor a monk, is an extremely dangerous false prophet who teaches heresies and consistently and knowingly misrepresents scripture but gets away with it by burying his opponent under an avalanche of trivia and non-sequiturs, even citing parts quotes that argue against his own positions but framing them as if they support his positions by leaving out significant parts of the quote.
Please watch Counsel of Trent's rebuttal, for the well-being of your soul.
@Curtis MH yeah dont state them lol
You shall the Church is no-longer visibly on earth.
Jesus Christ said " upon thee i will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail."
What am i to do?
I prefer to believe in Jesus Christ.
@Curtis MH Trent Horn Is a heretic and Br. Peter refutes Trent Horn response. Trent Horn was trying to correct Br. Peter without Dimond being there. So trusting Trent Horn Is a bad idea.
@@johnjones8315 First of all, he isn't "Brother" Dimond, because he isn't a real monk, and neither he nor his brother "Michael" have repented of repeatedly lying about being monks. Secondly, his name isn't even Peter. Thirdly, he didn't "refute" Trent Horn. He addressed the lowest hanging fruit from Horn's video, while ignoring everything else that was said. Fourthly, the Dimond brothers' position cannot coincide with infallible Catholic teaching because it is a pseudo-Catholic cult. If there ceases to be a visible Church, then Catholic teaching is wrong, the Church is not infallible, and the whole thing falls apart at its foundation. Anyone who claims that the visible Church can cease to exist is not Catholic.
As an outsider who studied for a few years and strongly considered converting, I must say, the sede position was the only option that made sense. It seems increasingly clear that VII Catholicism is a different religion from traditional Catholicism.
I pray that you still consider converting one day 😊
Convert Catholicism doesn't mean you should be an irrational pro-papacy. Being Catholic demands you keep reasoning on how to be closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
Right let’s just not attend mass, never receive Holy Communion, never go to confession, that sounds removed from tradition if you ask me…
become SSPX
I really want to see more Br. Dimond. Please host more debates with him!
Their CZcams channel is vaticancatholic.
@@j.knight9335 I second this! The amount of research he does is superhuman.
@@CatholicHusband Jeff cassman didn’t loose
@@cardboardcapeii4286 he did the moment he cant honestly answer if francis profess the true faith. Consider profess mean external forum. So is not needed to read hearts to answer that, and still cassman cant say a clear YES, because he knows if he does, he is identifying things like: "god wants all religions", "lutherans have the true faith of christ" , "luther was right on justification", "atheists can be saved", etc.... with professing the true faith, which would make of he himself an apostate.
In the end he admits that the official teaching of the novus ordo lead people to sin , which is imcompatible with the true catholic church. CONCLUSION: novus ordo is not the catholic church
@@josedanielcabrerapena3371 heresy doesnt nessarily remove one from the papacy.
It's time for a Jimmy Akin vs. Brother Dimond debate next. I want a Vatican 2 Catholic to debate with him.
Jimmy would never do that. These heretical grifters are more concerned with keeping the money flowing than honestly assessing the facts.
Yep. Sedevacantist and Catholics have more coherent positions.
Lefebrism is inconsistent as hell
I, too, would love a debate between Akin or Trent Horn and a Dimond.
@@Jeronimo_de_Estridao what’s lefebivrsm?
@@Jeronimo_de_Estridao Right. It ultimately comes down to either accepting Vatican II in its entirety or rejecting it in its entirety (and therefore its hierarchs). The fence-sitting Lefebvrist position is nonsense.
Bro. Peter absolutely won this debate.
Absolutely!!
He did win in many respects, but (I say that though I profess their [the Dimonds'] theological positions generally speaking), in a debate on several crucial issues I'd win the debate against Brother Peter to the point of it being embarrassing. The fact is Peter Dimond/the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about such assumptions given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. It is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible), the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena [in some respects] given the chance. The Dimonds and [especially] their supporters, from my years long extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea.
The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on CZcams and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
They both lost. Dimonds position amounted to Donatism and and Cassman couldn’t justify the contradictions in the Vatican.
@YP Poe congrats weirdo
@@joshf2218 What you are saying amounts to implying Paul Paul IV's decree Cum ex Apostolatus Officio was an unequivocal endorsement of Donatism; which it was not.
What an incredible debate, only 1 hour in and Br Dimond has won me over completely.
I reccomend watching Brother Peter's other debates as well. He beat fr james gordon, Pinesap, gnrhead (william albrecht), william golle, nick santosuso and many others. You'll start to notice that they all say the same things( for over 20 years!) but can never refute because the truth cannot be refuted. They are afraid to debate him nowadays so they resort to misrepresenting and lying about Brothers positions
@@15DecadesDaily Thanks, I will actually do that, I am floored by how good Br Dimonds case was and how it addresses literally all the concerns Ive had with the RCC
You are following a heretic, my friend. Because you have been dazzled by Diamond's ability to talk fast and use big words, you have fallen into error. This is not a debate over politics or history. The eternal life of anyone who believes in the heresy of sedevacantism is at stake, including yours. Repent and accept the one true faith or you will be damned.
@@hairypawter8475 Just checking in. Have you come out of the Vatican II/become a traditional Catholic yet? 🙂
@@mjr8279do we really have to stay home and pray rosaries?
Br. Dimond understands that the Catholic religion is perfect and Immaculate and the Vatican II religion is false and filled with error. We are looking at two different religions one given to us By Our Lord Jesus Christ and one given to us by men with their own agenda.
Who else is edified by Brother Peter’s zeal for the true Faith?
I am, despite never ever thinking of being a Sede and fleeing the flock because of the wolves.
@@jlouis4407 the post V2 “church” is a false flock led by false shepherds because it doesn’t profess the true faith.
@@JMN40 Sedes have a fairytale view of history that has never existed, we have had horrible Popes and heresies. Vatican II is NOT an infallible council and can never be considered to be. It does not have canons and anathemas, that’s what infallible pronouncements are not long rambling documents.
@@JMN40 there is no church of sedevacantism. sedes cannot be called a church. they have no ability to have unity. there is no ecclesiology. they are a loose group of individuals who pretend they have the true faith much like any other non denominational protestant group or frankly any other schismatic group. but they arent connected to the church
The road to hell is paved with zeal.
PLEASE have Jimmy Akin debate Br Dimond. I would pay good money for that
I would definitely tune in for that.
I would appreciate it
Would've made for a much better more balanced debate that's for sure
I don’t think this is Akin’s wheelhouse, but John Salza and Michael Lofton would be the best contenders
You just watched it.
I wish this never ended; there was so much more to be said!
The diamond brother won that debate for sure.
May God bless us and the Virgin protect us.
Amen
Yes, and convert them to the true faith!
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
@@sleepystar1638 okay you don’t use private revelation as your guide. Everyone is in agreement on that so don’t leave the church over that. I read an article on the words of consecration thing not too long ago and tbh forgot what it said but I remember being convinced that the change wasn’t universal or something but honestly I forget.
Secondly, you are using An age old Protestant argument from end times speculation putting your trust in your own reasoning rather than the church.
Third, go to Matthew 18:15-17. What do we do if in your sect, we have a disagreement like we have now? You can’t do anything about it because you don’t have actually have a church and a principle of unity. In fact, not only do you not have it but you don’t actually even have the potential to have a new pope. The true church must retain all of its properties untouched until the end of time. St. Francis de Sales used this same argument against Protestants and coined it the invincible argument because it’s inescapable for the heretics. The only church that fits that description is the Roman Catholic Church with the Pope and Magisterium which your system has gotten rid of.
My friend, don’t go down this road of trusting your own reason. Our Lord would never leave us orphan like that. Instead, with great confidence, submit yourself to him with childlike abandonment. He loves you greatly.
@@mattphelan1252 yeah except when its approved by the church, lol please by all means if you think francis is pope follow him straight to hell.
Luke 18 8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
so yeah when Jesus comes back there will be such little faith that it would be unrecognizable.
Jeremiah 51
23 I will also break in pieces with thee the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces captains and rulers.
53Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD.
63And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates
How about the Code of Canon Law
Can. 194 §1. The following are removed from an ecclesiastical office by the law itself:
1/ a person who has lost the clerical state;
2/ a person who has publicly defected from the Catholic faith or from the communion of the Church;
3/ a cleric who has attempted marriage even if only civilly.
Can. 750 §1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them.
§2. Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firm-ly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.
Can. 1364 §1. Without prejudice to the prescript of can. 194, §1, n. 2, an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication; in addition, a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in can. 1336, §1, nn. 1, 2, and 3.
§2. If contumacy of long duration or the gravity of scandal demands it, other penalties can be added, including dismissal from the clerical state.
being a heretic automatically puts you outside of the Church, so i dont believe a words heretics say. so i dont believe a words bergoglio says, if you want him as you leader please go right ahead.
Thank you Brother Peter.
And you are still undefeated in all your debates. The Truth can never be refuted!
May God continue to bless you and MostHolyFamilyMonastery
What about RJMI who was once with them though?
@Conquering Death wrong. Being a traditional Catholic and holding the Sedevacantist position
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 he’s too scared to debate them.
@@sambrittenden4045 Debate? Why do that when they agree on the importance of Dogma in general but the only difference is in how far they apply it?
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 RJMI is a schismatic.
Cassman, as the modernists THINK they are in the right side of Catholicism. brother Dimond is a deeply knowledgeable man and saint. We need more like him
Br. Dimond Is an echo from our past and the original voice light penetrating the darkness against the modernist. I for one appreciate him and standing up for our intended faith.
@@krypton1982 From what I've read I would not consider Brother Dimond a saint. He brutally attacks Pope Benedict XVI. 😓
@@HanorahDugganBenedict XVI is a modernist
@@HanorahDugganHe does brutally attack him, especially when Benedict XVI said scripture was historically inaccurate in "Jesus of Nazareth: Holy Week."
Matt Fradd even made it clear that the one cross-examining can interrupt and Cassman throws a fit when Dimond cross-examines him saying he isn’t being “charitable”
I noticed that as well.
It’s cool to finally see Br Peter on video . He’s a pretty intelligent man on the faith
czcams.com/video/ZDAd7Q1mZYg/video.html
@@davidcatabui2018 Unless you can prove what you assert, you should remain silent. I know the Dimond brothers have a dubious history, are perhaps not validly consecrated as Benedictines and are Feenyites. I have been following them off and on for over a decade. Some of the points the Dimonds make about fake traditionalists like Michael Matt, John Salza and the late Mother Angelica are sadly, true. It is best not to underestimate the Dimonds' intelligence whereas that of neo-Catholics like Fradd are mediocre, at best.
Br Peter Diamond it’s not even catholic nothing is it infiltrator Catholics don’t speak like that don’t fall yourself
Brother Peter is not even catholic he’s a heretic Catholics Don’t speak like that
@@BJ-cb6di Like what ?
Brother Diamond indeed won the debate. It was apparent, very early on, that Mr. Cassman was out of his league.
"Does Pope Francis profess the true Catholic faith?"
Cassman's inability to answer that question with a straightforward "yes" lost him the debate.
That question was devastating.
Not to mention that Cassman spent most of his time making an ad hominem argument.
Edit: To be clear, I dont agree with sedevacantism.
If he answered “Yes” he would have lost anyway.
The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII.
These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the sedevacantists.
Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.”
Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ.
Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so the sedevacantists had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized the Council in 1964 and 1965.
You mean the same apostate AntiPope "Pius VII" who betrayed his French subjects via the ConCordat in 1801 and 1802 and "allowed" the "heliocentrism" heresy to be published in 1820 and 1822 and the same apostate AntiPope "Leo XIII" who "approved" the world parliament of pseudoreligions in Chicago in 1893?
@@fidefidelis4912 Wrong. The Bishops of the Vatican II FALSE church are all apostates as they are in and follow the Vatican II sect, which is NOT the Catholic church. Therefore they are to be denied any authority, and no one should follow them, lest you be condemned in heresy. Wake up.
If you are not a sedevacantist, even after the heresies of the antipopes of Vatican II, among other things, you are a heretic. You need to agree with sedevacantism. There is absolutely proof enough to it, and you can't deny this.
Jeff kept chugging nervously for a reason...that cup had to be empty mid debate. Bro Dimond brought that 🔥.
Peter Dimond won this debate. No question. Jeff got curbstomped.
LOL
😂😂😂 Facts
@YP Poe with some cheese on it! 😂
%100 supernatural faith is going on here. If you know what true charity is, you can see it working through Bro Peter and the work of the monastery. Debates aren't just to score points, to truly move the hearts of others requires love and conformity to the will of God. He changes you into a new creature if you don't stand in your own way. People in the comments are cleary enamored by the vibe Bro Peter gives off, seeing his face and hearing his voice.. he's a real person too. That's why I don't take his approach as a sign of bad will, rather it is of a care and love for other's souls and love of God.
Brother Peter has pure intentions and it’s great to see
Even if only one lost sheep is found.
He is a smart guy for sure but you cannot know that his intentions are pure just by looking at his face. He could be a good actor
I’m surprised to see so many good willed, real Catholics in the comment section.
May we persevere till the end! Always pray!
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Sedevacantism, what ever its truth, won this debate.
I'm not a sede but clearly, Bro. Dimond won the debate. It's hard to defend the indefensible.
Being right and winning a debate are 2 completely different things.
@@Metanoia000 But he's right.
@@clarekuehn4372 no he’s not, the guys a buffoon he doesn’t even understand common core doctrine of the Catholic faith like papal infallibility for one. It’s beyond laughable and simultaneously calling himself a Catholic too, in reality he’s just a schismatic heretic like everyone in history before him who came up with their own man made ideas and fused them into theology. People like him are allowing politics dictate their religious life. They look at false headlines about the pope, they read into crazy conspiracies about the “anti pope” when they really just need to read about their own religion to inform themselves about what it actually teaches.
@@Metanoia000he can only win if he's right. This is logic, common sense and divine law!
@@chukwudiogudo5379 that’s not true and obviously you don’t know how debate works. Someone could theoretically be a complete idiot and be in the position that is correct but not know how to present it while the person who is incorrect may be capable of dressing up their incorrect arguments. This debate is a prime example of the man with the correct position not knowing how to make his case. Dimond’s position is completely incoherent as he claims to be Catholic while simultaneously saying the Catholic Church has been infiltrated and brought to its knees which is a lie and goes against everything we’ve learned from the church as well as God’s promise that the gates of hell would not be able to prevail against the church. Stop this nonsense, you guys who believe that are just heretics, there’s not much else to take away from the situation. Groups such as you sedevecantists have reared many times throughout history and always have been labeled the heretics at the end of the day. You can’t try to falsify the church and simultaneously claim to have its best interest in mind. Pure brain wash. Go read up on papal infallibility and the church’s inability to be defective.
Paul never rebuked Peter that’s my take as well and possibly one of the most important nuggets given to us by brother Diamond in this debate. I’ve been researching this topic for quite some time now, and while not being the most popular position this is indeed the most correct Christian stand and is based 100% on a sound biblical study, this has nothing to do with questioning the legitimacy of the papacy which Brother Diamond clearly explains. He’s a true gem.
Thanks for bringing Br. Dimond on. Been waiting for a little debate action with him. I look forward to some more!
Absolutely agree with Peter Dimond , I also heard the term "ipso facto" growing up and to my recollection, your action or actions put you outside the Catholic Church without the process of formal excommunication. The reason for not attending non Catholic services is the same as for having non Catholic religions perform in the Vatican, pachamamas etc is that it gives these false religious a type of justification when in fact they are doctrines and objects of devil's and demons.
Bro. Dimond won. Hands down.
Hahaha no he didn't. He's in schism. It's christs church not pope Francis church. Francis is a bad pope but that doesn't make chrisys church invalid
@@KeeperPlus 🤡🤡🤡
@@mattrob19742008no seriously. He doesn’t go to mass he just prays the rosary. And he thinks the church has been completely corrupted which is impossible. He separated himself from Christs church and will be damned if he doesn’t repent.
@@therealmasterchief4644frankly, dimond's view that the church has been corrupted makes total and absolute sense coming from the perspective of a traditionalistic catholic. there have been so many contradictions in the modern church, that it's become so much harder to defend it nowadays than it was in the early 20th century. the impostor sister lucia, the rampant molestations, and the fact that the church has reversed its opinion on virtually every political issue it previously had a stance on are evidence of this.
@@therealmasterchief4644Are you concluding that based on his 2014 article on where to attend mass? Or have you contacted MHFM more recently?
I agree with Brother Dimond. Cassman comes across as supporting our wayward shepherds.
@@stlouisix3 You say they are false shephards in the context of these post-conciliar clergymen adhering to outward empty signs instead of the substance of the faith. But when you say that you condemn yourselve out of your own mouth, as far as the usually MHFM supporter stereotype is concerned. It is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible), the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena [in some respects] given the chance. The Dimonds and [especially] their supporters [you being one of them], from my years long extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea. What you care about is what is conventional and familiar, the real substance of a discussion, regardless of mere appearance [when it is necessary to disregard them], you guys typically ignore.
The proof is that the two following points would be by all typical MHFM supporters I know, disregarded and ignored with contempt without any or all argumentation, serious examination (least of all with one conceding any point's merit or need to be addressed). Arguments do not matter: one speaks outside of the conventional language, one is profane [that is the apparent MHFM position or at least premise]: contrary to Brother Peter's arguments in the debate the following could be said: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on CZcams and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
By ignoring the entirety of the argument and the need to examine it carefully, as I suspect [from experience is what you'll do], you shall prove my point. Quod erat demonstradum.
These End Times, are exemplified by, demonic brainwashing, gaslighting, predictive programming and of course, false teaching. See: Advertising, the entertainment industry, corruption of the education system, govt propaganda, corporate media etc..
Jeff Cassman is "... a predictive behavioral modeling expert for an ad agency in Nashville, TN."
Is it any wonder that Cassman is still an advocate for the VAT II Sect? A sect that has from it's beginning sought to change/destroy/corrupt the true Catholic faith. ( Masonic-Communist infiltration extensively documented).
Cassman also has an invested interest regarding his organization "co-founder of Catholic Men of America, our country’s only national professional business fraternity for Catholic men."
Just as others who would have much to lose, in a secular sense regarding reputation, standing, material wealth, career (i.e. Taylor Marshal etc..).
When a person has their career (including psuedo-clergy, -bishops, -cardinals, -nuns, Vat-II websites, authors, etc) tied to the Novus Ordo anti-church, they become willing victims forced to embrace their own cognitive dissonance.
When an intelligent man who is usually a great debater has no good arguments, perhaps his position is so false that even he can't defend it successfully. I am convinced that the papal seat is vacant and that's the only Catholic position at this point especially with the blatant errors pushed by Francis.
The see has been vacant since 1054
@@Orthodoxology nice try schismatic
Bring back Br. Peter Dimond to do more debates, specially with Horn and Lofton.
Looks like nobody has the balls to debate Br. Peter Dimond.
Are we witnessing an undisputable scholar?
@@user-kb4dv1ud3fI totally respect Cassman for debating Brother, he accepted and also accepted defeat.
These type of Christian debates should occur.
Wow! I’ve never heard this kind of talk. This is beautiful. Thank you
This one definitely shook things up in a good way. You can’t please everyone, I would love to see more dialog on this topic. A V2 defender vs diamond or someone of his caliber would be great
Brother Dimond has many debates posted on his youtube channel
I’ve always ignored sedevacantism … thank you for bringing this to light and giving me something to ponder
Beware of sedevacantism, since it is an impass.
The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII.
These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the sedevacantists.
Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.”
Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ.
Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so the sedevacantists had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized the Council in 1964 and 1965.
So, we must obey it, and you should check out the videos I share on my account, these videos are translated in English and could be very helpful for you.
@@fidefidelis4912 I guess they (sedevacantists) will now have to refer to Leo XII and XIII as 'antipopes' or 'so called popes' or 'Fathers of the Vatican II church' or the likes.
You are welcome to contact vaticancatholic and they will respond with any questions you have!
@@julianj8609 Which bishop recognizes you as Catholic ?
@@fidefidelis4912 Bishop Guerard des Lauriers, Bishop Carmona, Archbishop Thuc etc.
The timestamps were taken down, probably because they made it easier to swiftly see the demolition of the Vatican II sect on display.
Please set up another debate with Dimond! I'm saying this because I'm not a sedevacantist but he is genuinely convincing. If what he says is true we should all be sedes but if it is not he should be refuted by some heavy-lifter, that means some monk from England or France, not Jimmy Akin or Trent Horn
There is no such monk... the only "heavy-lifter" monks who have the courage to debate the truth publicly, are MHFM.
The Truth can not be refuted, which is why these false prophets always divert to trying to slander him
“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?
What about Peter debating Ralph Martin this would bring great clarity .
There is no one in the world that will debate Bro. Peter and refute his position. The truth can't be refuted. Sedevacantism is the position of the Church of Christ today. That's not against any infallible teaching.
Thank you Matt Fradd. This has been a wonderful experience. Based on this debate, Peter Dimon made far more superior arguments and conclusions. God bless you Matt. Greetings from Port-Harcourt Nigeria
Another Nigerian? Doesn’t it feel like just about our whole continent is usually left out from so many of these discussions?
And it also seems unfortunate that the faith came to us so late in the game, and that heretics were also spreading their ideas, worst of all being that Islam has such a strong grip on a lot of the continent below the Sahara.
@YP Poe But isn’t this all important information and truth that *all* mankind _must_ know and believe to be saved?
Also, on the matter of exclusion, it feels like the Asian continent is in sort of a worse situation at times. So many countries under so many false religions or none at all (like India, China, etc) and the only even nominally Christian nation there is the Philippines…
And that’s the most populated continent on Earth.
Maybe you are right. But the fact is Peter Dimond/the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about them given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. So it is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible), the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena given the chance. The Dimonds and [especially] their supporters, from my years long extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea.
The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on CZcams and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
@@CatholicHusband I never said they are wrong on Francis being an antipope. Further, they are not merely potentially wrong about end times prophecy, they misrepresent the Third Secret of Fatima's content, it has dire consequences (as the importance of the Secret in itself suggests), besides that they and their supporters have their own theological problems, one of them being the heresy of Nicolaism. Brother Peter denied he is one of the Two Witnesses, but he not only is one of them, he is also destined to inccur the temporary espiritual death belonging to them, namely, the Nicolaitan heresy.
Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine.
Jeremiah 51
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 13
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Chapter 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Spiciest Catholic video on CZcams right now 🥵
Gonna download it and back it up lol
Perhaps God is trying to tell us something. Keep these debates going. Bless you for keeping the video up and holding to integrity.
Our Lady of La Sallette said “ Rome will lose the Faith and the Church will be in ECLIPSE”. The Church is not lost if the Seat is vacant.
Our Lady of Sallette also said that "Rome would become the seat of the anti-Christ." Like all TRUE apparitions, the entire message was suppressed. "Better there be scandal than the truth be suppressed." Pope St. Felix.
Unbelievable discussion, arguments well-presented. Brother Peter is exceptionally well-versed on the subject. Well done to both participants!
No, he is not well-versed.
@@filipradosa6062 rubbish🙃
@@catholic9694 you are the one who is talking rubbish. His treatment of scripture is very poor - when he is not actually making up his own interpretation, doing away with the entire witness (bar one voice) of Sacred Tradition. Just then he showed that he cannot be taken seriously (even if he goes on quoting Bellarmine).
@@JohnCampbell5650 your nose just became a tree
Brother Peter is well-versed in many points he makes, but let it not deceive you as to the fact, contrary to some of Brother Peter's arguments in the debate, the following could be said: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on CZcams and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".
The Joe Biden question is excellent
It’s up to Biden to answer for his sins and for not living up to his faith. If bishops started declaring who is and who is not a “true Catholic”, we might as well give them a bowling ball cause we are the pins. Vatican II was the most well attended Council in the history of the Church. Most often the problem is the interpretation of Vatican II.
Does Joe Biden profess the True Faith?
@@miguelpasamano8840 Quite the opposite, actually. He is Catholic when it is politically advantageous. He is quite ignorant of the faith on all fronts.
@@RumorHazi thank you but I'm stumping "America First" over here
@@miguelpasamano8840 Uhh, ok. Me too. Ain’t no Biden fans around here. What’s your point?
Thank you Brother Peter 🙏🏻
Bro.Peter Dimond is based as always💪