Volvo V70 P2 Subframe Bush Removal & Fitting - S60 XC90 S80 XC70

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  • čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
  • Front bushes - Volvo 8678497
    Rear bushes - Volvo 3507923
    Bush Inserts - Powerflex PFF88-120BLK

Komentáře • 59

  • @bat2293
    @bat2293 Před rokem +6

    I have a 2004 V70 AWD 2.5T and follow everything you have done to your car. You have been a great help in my decision making on what I can do myself and what I should probably leave to my mechanic. This is a job I would not attempt. I was going to have it done (even bought the bushes), as a preventive measure. Howerver, my baby is not showing any of the symptoms you experienced, so I decided to put it off for a while (only 136,000 miles on it). Frankly, I was surprised to see the rubber portions of the bushes were still in fairly good condition. It is not just the mileage that kills rubber parts - aging will do it too (which was my concern). As far as the rest of the suspension goes, I have replaced just about everything else (including upgrading to "T5" sway bars when I had those bushings done). I think you would have to drive a stake through the engine block to kill one of these things.

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem +2

      I think nearly everything I’ve touched I’ve made slightly worse. I’ve had a few people mention the driveshaft bolts and subframe bolts might be stretch bolts so I may have just been doing it wrong all this time. I’m glad the videos help genuine owners and hope you’ve saved some time and money on the jobs you have tackled. I still have no idea how the bush has got damaged the way it was. Rubbers we’re absolutely fine I’d say.

    • @kiplingvisintini5783
      @kiplingvisintini5783 Před 4 měsíci

      @@IAMASPANNER yes you HAVE TO REPLACE

  • @riverpirate888
    @riverpirate888 Před rokem +2

    Great video, thanks for sharing the struggles and troubleshooting parts as well.

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem

      It became impossible not to share the bad bits and I didn’t want to make anyone believe it was easier than it is. Thanks for the feedback!

  • @dazzassti
    @dazzassti Před rokem +4

    Greats vid dude... I would say on this one you made your job a lot more difficult by adding the inserts before you tried to install them, you should have done the inserts afterward, the inserts are design to reduce the flex and that exactly what prevented you getting them in.. The knock effect is that the volvo bushes then weren't seated properly hence the knocking. Only way to fix that is to remove them all, take out the inserts, refit, DON'T put the inserts in, go for a drive, then pop the caps off and insert the powerflex when it's settled!

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem

      Thanks for watching and appreciate the feedback. The knocking appears to be coming from the rack, so it looks like my second hand rack has failed the same as the original one did 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @jankleffel5819
    @jankleffel5819 Před rokem +4

    The right front and rear as well as the left front are identical.
    The left rear is different and has an oval tube (this is original)
    The left front fits snugly over the locating tube and puts the frame in the right place, and the left rear with the oval tube fits snugly over the locating tube on the narrow part of the oval side (long oval side in the direction of travel) and it adjusts the frame to sit straight.
    Fit and tighten the left front first, then the left rear and then the right fron and rear (which does not have locating tubes and just sits where they are)
    This puts the frame in the correct aligned position.

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem +1

      If this is the case then why are all the new bushes circular?

    • @jankleffel5819
      @jankleffel5819 Před rokem +1

      I would think they are not original bushings.
      And if they are, then the dealer must have been lazy and just sold you four identical ones (no. 3507923)
      I don't think you can buy unoriginal ones with an oval tube.
      Left rear bushing with oval tube has no. 3507924
      no.8678497 that you refer to in your title text, are the front bushings on S60 - V70 and S80 2.4T diesel as well as most XC90.
      I don't have one myself, so I don't know exactly what the difference is, but I would think they are reinforced.

    • @MementoMori-xx5qo
      @MementoMori-xx5qo Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@jankleffel5819 Volvo dealer confirmed to me the Oval bush is discontinued, all are circulate now.

    • @AquaLady153
      @AquaLady153 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@MementoMori-xx5qough whyyy?

  • @BLOCKsignallingUK
    @BLOCKsignallingUK Před rokem +6

    Some thoughts. The poweflex bushes may have stiffened up the bushes significantly, and so possibly engine movement which would have been absorbed by them may now be causing movement and hence noise elsewhere. Perhaps remove them and see if your other noises go away? Could you have pushed the bushes home with a bottle jack which would have a similar action to the brake puller you used at the end ? The inner CV joints are only held together by the rubber boot and if pulled too far, the balls may fall out of place and can then cause a knocking noise (I ruined a driveshaft by not realising this). Listening again, it does very much sound like this. Thanks for taking the time to video and share this. How about a Gofundme for an impact wrench ?

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem

      The stiffer bushes probably are transmitting more vibrations, I don’t think they’ll have created any new knocks but they probably would transmit the noise better. Against my advice a friend tried using a bottle jack and it did nothing, the bushes need to be clamped uniformly and it’s tonnes of pressure we need (the car doesn’t weigh enough). I have actually smashed a driveshaft while changing a collapsed strut and bottom arms a while back as you say but it was the inner joint. I hope the video does help people, it was an absolute nightmare and took hours on top of the job but it’s a genuine representation of the job being done pretty much at home. I do have an impact gun I just don’t use it in the videos because of the noise and also in this case there wasn’t enough room under the car.

    • @BLOCKsignallingUK
      @BLOCKsignallingUK Před rokem

      @@IAMASPANNER Just to confirm, I also thought it is likely the inner joint.

  • @marcmostert459
    @marcmostert459 Před rokem +2

    Hi
    This is the specs on fcp euro site. That is seriously tight. I would suggest 4 new bolts and a torque wrench and then a long power bar. Tightening torque 105 Nm + 120°. Replace every time the subframe is loosened.

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem +1

      £6 each those bolts, I’d want to be certain that’s the issue before buying. The knocking actually appears to be from the rack I fitted so it seems this second hand rack has failed the same as the original one did.

  • @TheOneJPtv
    @TheOneJPtv Před 9 měsíci +2

    Nice video. easy to follow. I got this job coming up on my S60t5

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před 8 měsíci

      Thanks for the feedback and good luck with the job!

  • @gheorghinacov6008
    @gheorghinacov6008 Před 2 měsíci

    You can try adding Powerflex bushings to the front control arms, at least the rear perpendicular bushing, black series. Mine are new but rubber and have much play

  • @gerardjones7881
    @gerardjones7881 Před 2 měsíci +1

    if you hang the engine and remove the sub frame its a breeze to knock out and hammer the new ones in.

  • @DaviD_iB1
    @DaviD_iB1 Před rokem +1

    I'm so confused why I found one that was also oval in the middle, the 3 others were round. Mine were completely cracked all the way around from age, its a 2001 T5 with only 200K kilometers. I bought the beige power delrin bushings and I can't wait to fit them.

  • @AquaLady153
    @AquaLady153 Před 9 měsíci +7

    dogo is just chillin

  • @larkinizedgaming
    @larkinizedgaming Před 4 měsíci

    Hello, did you find out where the knocking came from?

  • @dmclaude
    @dmclaude Před rokem +1

    Did you figure out what the knocking was related to?

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem

      I think it’s the steering rack has either failed again or the inner rods.

  • @oliverfnx939
    @oliverfnx939 Před 6 měsíci

    I wonder if you could investigate the reason for the noise by turning the Steering wheel, if it hasnt been the bushes

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před 5 měsíci

      I now believe the issue is play in the rack

  • @Jeroen74
    @Jeroen74 Před rokem +2

    Another CZcamsr has a video on an alternative method to get those bushes out. Basically you drill through the plastic outer edge of the bush, and then with a big screwdriver you can collapse the whole bush and pry it out. I tried this at a scrapyard the other day and it actually works very well: czcams.com/video/j9crInyMGhk/video.html
    I've done this job twice, first on a 850, later on a 2004 V70. On the 850 I just got them out with loads of prying, swearing and elbow grease, but on the V70 I actually made a cutting tool, much like the official Volvo tool, that cuts the center rubber part out of the bushing, and then it's easy to collapse the housing and remove it.
    I would not want to drop the subframe that much, unless you disconnected things like the steering shaft and upper engine bracket. Also only do bush at a time so the alignment of the subframe does not get messed up.

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem

      I did drill on two of the bushes but it didn’t make much difference at all. The body of the car has locators on 2 of the bushes so you don’t need to worry about alignment of the subframe. I would still always get wheel alignment done after any jobs on suspension.

    • @MementoMori-xx5qo
      @MementoMori-xx5qo Před 11 měsíci

      So much easier to remove, but fitting the new one is impossible

    • @Jeroen74
      @Jeroen74 Před 11 měsíci

      @@MementoMori-xx5qo I've replaced 6 bushes so far (two on a 850, all four on a V70) and fitting the new ones was by far easier than removing them. I used an extra long bolt with a piece of steel plate to press them in. Between the plate and bushing I used a few nuts so the forces act upon the ridge, not the rubber protrusions. You also need something of spacer between the body and subframe for a bit of room for the top of the bushing.

  • @henrikloiske8572
    @henrikloiske8572 Před rokem

    If you drill the plastic and pry the bushings out, it takes only a couple minutes 😊

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem

      I did drill a couple of them and they were still stubborn. I didn’t want to damage the subframe for the sake of it and open it up to possible rust.

  • @RobertDuerksen-k6d
    @RobertDuerksen-k6d Před 10 měsíci

    Can you link the bushing puller please?

  • @liameckert4423
    @liameckert4423 Před rokem

    What press kit did you use?? Looks pretty convenient in that space!

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem

      It’s just a bearing puller kit that luckily enough could be made to work on this job.

  • @AlexRoss-sy1vr
    @AlexRoss-sy1vr Před 7 měsíci

    That looks like a pretty hairy job!

  • @henrikloiske8572
    @henrikloiske8572 Před rokem +1

    I asked my local Volvo dealer how much they would charge for this job….
    They wanted 12000:- Swedish crownes (about 888 £ ) 😮

  • @marcoylinen9543
    @marcoylinen9543 Před 7 měsíci

    Safety issue !! At 40:28 , do not use screwdriver as pin in jack stand! Use proper pins!

  • @joecritch143
    @joecritch143 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Air tools would have made things easier!!

  • @kiplingvisintini5783
    @kiplingvisintini5783 Před 4 měsíci +1

    i swear i would of drank a bottle of jack to just deal with all of the bullshit.i'm about to do the whole front suspension.fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk me

  • @747wanabe
    @747wanabe Před rokem

    What would you pay in a garage to have this work carried out?

    • @IAMASPANNER
      @IAMASPANNER  Před rokem

      An independent garage would probably charge £60 an hour minimum and this would probably be 4-6 hours done in a garage with the right equipment if I had to guess.

    • @henrikloiske8572
      @henrikloiske8572 Před rokem +1

      Here in Sweden my local Volvo dealer wanted 888 £ for the job ...Just crazy

    • @andywarrington4738
      @andywarrington4738 Před rokem

      might be just easier to fit a good secondhand sub frame

    • @MementoMori-xx5qo
      @MementoMori-xx5qo Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@andywarrington4738 No point, regardless of mileage the rubber will have degraded through age.

  • @BLOCKsignallingUK
    @BLOCKsignallingUK Před rokem +1

    Another channel had found an oval centre in a bushing, but sadly didn't comment on it: czcams.com/video/lEJejOaqa0c/video.html
    Then I found this video, where it looks like the oval bushing may be standard fit: czcams.com/video/eGEfWjxISyE/video.html
    Indeed I found an original Volvo document that confirms the front left bushing is slightly oval as standard.

    • @MementoMori-xx5qo
      @MementoMori-xx5qo Před rokem +1

      I’ve just ordered four new bushings from my Volvo dealer, and they confirmed that the old style Oval shape are superseded. All 4 are now circular

    • @BLOCKsignallingUK
      @BLOCKsignallingUK Před rokem

      @@MementoMori-xx5qo Good to know.

  • @petebrown6952
    @petebrown6952 Před rokem +1

    What a weird (and bloody uncomfortable!) place to keep your mutt (sorry, dog!) I thought all us responsible (?) estate car owners had room for animals at the back? As always, good video Tolly.

    • @johnnyblue4799
      @johnnyblue4799 Před rokem +4

      The dog seems quite comfortable there...

    • @piovo5222
      @piovo5222 Před rokem +2

      @@johnnyblue4799 seems like the dog likes it there

    • @johnnyblue4799
      @johnnyblue4799 Před rokem

      @@piovo5222 Isn't that what I said?

    • @piovo5222
      @piovo5222 Před rokem +1

      @@johnnyblue4799 replied to wrong person it was meant for Pete

    • @Olleh987
      @Olleh987 Před rokem +3

      🤦🏼‍♂️ there is always someone. What a weird comment.