Bro... DS 1 tone knob is EQ Shape Character , not a Treble boost. You miss understand. The best DS 1 SETTING : 1. Get the good and Right Clean amp set , not too bright sharp. Tube amp will be better. 2. DS1 : Tone 10 oclock Level 2 oclock Dist 3 oclock or full Dist. Then you compare all the pedals with exact same potentio level. Do not change the parameter.
For anyone wondering, you can't just set the knobs the same and expect them to sound exactly the same. There is something called parts tolerance as well as component drift. These two factors mean even if you have two pedals of the same model and year, you have to adjust the knobs to get them to match. You can't just set everything at noon and expect them to sound the same.
This video was far more enjoyable to watch than it has any right to be. I was captivated to the very end. Great job Andy, and yes, that is too many DS-1s.
I have been a DS-1 user for years - my favorite pedal of all time. I have the black label from the 80's which I bought in a music store in the 80's and it has been on my board ever since. Recently it developed a hum and it's really hard to use live, so I need a new one. Thanks for this shootout. I'm going to give the "W" a try and see how it goes.
I'll go with the '83 DS-1 Andy, that's too many DS-1's. Great video. I've been considering collecting the different versions. I was disappointed to the hear the '79 DS-1 got knocked out in the first round.
I did a similar test myself a few months ago (before I saw your great video) and came to EXACTLY the same conclusion. The Wazacraft on the custom mode was just the best sound. I only had two other DS-1s to compare to but I found the same thing. They’re definitely getting something very right with the Wazacraft series.
@@TheGuitarGeek Not only a looper, but doing the output balance the way you do with '79 vs '83. ALL pedal shootouts by EVERYBODY. You did the test video genre a good thing, Andy! Setting standards is GOOD. OK? OK!
I can see how a gigging player might have 2. One as a backup. Even 3 if you don't want to unpack your gig rig at home, so get a third for the bedroom rig. Maybe even 4 if you leave one at your parents/friends. But ... how does someone end up with 7? 😆 Anyway, good to see you having fun!
Yes, Andy, that is clearly too many DS-1's. But I'm glad you did it. I might just as well spring for the cheaper, newer model for now. If ever I do anything outside of the house jamming in the future, then I'd look into the waz for more power. Plus I could pass the cheap model down to the boy when he gets older. He's 5 months, so we got some time. 😂 Thanks again for this video!
Andy, that's too many DS1's! I am now really glad I sprang for the cheap new 2023 which was likely built in 2022. It helps me not second guess myself to hear all those in depth comparisons. Thank you very much for doing what I don't have the resources to do!
That's too many DS1's! Great video. I've still got my DS1 which l bought in '82. Never given me any problems. Won a Bad Monkey recently which is a great pedal. Love the extra tone controls. And waiting for a JHS Notaklön to be delivered. I think l'll have all bases covered with those three plus a just breaking up tone from my amps. Cheers from the UK!
Great comparison Andy. At the end, they sound very similar so i'm gonna stick with my Boss DS-1 v3 made in 2008. But between you and me, Andy... that's too many DS-1s!
Thank God now I'm a new member of The End of The Video Club! Thank you for this very useful video! You got a new subs! And also Andy..., that's too many DS-1s!
Andy: that's too many DS-1s! But it was cool to hear the difference between all of them, and how they all sounded a bit different, yet, kinda the same. I just looked mine up, which I remember buying new around '93 or '94, and yep: and it was made in May '93...the tail end of the v1 line. I use mine with a PRS CE24 bolt-on (got around the same time as the pedal) and a Silverface Fender Twin Reverb (I think it's around '76). Used with a BOSS GE-7 and a really old Ibanez II Compressor (it is noisy, and I love it!), I can make the thing sound fantastic...probably with enough tone to give the DS-2 and the Waza Craft a run for their money.
Thanks a lot, it's great comparison! I'm surprised that there are so many variations of DS-1 and I'm very shocked especially that there are clear differences in the factory settings of the tone knobs. I have been using a DS-1 made in Japan with a black screw, that is called the '83 V1 version in this video, for over 30 years (actually it has no troubles even now). And recently I bought a new DS-1w as a backup. And this video gave me a good chance to be aware of the differences between them. But, anyway, all variations have good DS-1 tones. And I really feel easy about I can get a new one anytime needed even today.
This was quite a fun test. I already knew some of the differences (like silver knob being slightly quieter and bassless), but as far as the other differences went, I thought they would've been more drastic. Next do the modded versions (Jhs, Keeley, etc) or SD-1. That would be great.
Hey Andy, that's not quite enough DS-1s! I was fortunate to recently get my hands on a v3 2006-ish era DS-1 with the Keeley mods (Seeing eye and Ultra). Quite possibly my favourite pedal.
Oh Andy, I share the passion for the great DS-1, don’t have quite as many but there’s still time. I have pulled the switch on a waza one now! We never did get to that schlager discussion at gear street too, next time!
When I was starting out, I ended up going with the DS-2. I stand by that pedal, but this video, and an ever-evolving palette and general curiosity have led me to look into picking up a DS-1 style pedal. Andy... that's too many DS-1s!
I just bought the '22 like a month ago and I'm pretty pleased how close it is to the older ones. Saved a little money buying the base model over the Waza, that's a good enough excuse to drop $1,500 on a Kurt Cobain Jaguar, right?... Right? Andy that's too many DS-1's.
Surprisingly the 2006 sounds so similar to the 1983 version. Thanks for this awesome comparison.⭐️ The worst version is definitely the 40th anniversary.
You have gone down a similar rabbit hole that I had with HM-2s. At one time I had 18, including old 80s/90s clones, but I sold many of them because they all sounded very similar and in isolation were "that sound". I still have 5 Boss HM-2s (3 Japanese 2 Taiwanese) but I won't be buying the Waza version. Can't say I had a favourite DS-1 out of that lot, I'd take any (I think mine is a V3). Andy, that's too many DS-1s!
As far as the difference between the 1983 and 2022 is more due to the 30+ year old components. The 1983 is a bit darker and full because of it. I have both the 1983 and the Waza. Love both. The DS-1 is imho the best distortion because it can go from boost to overdrive to distortion to fuzz. Buy two and you can get all three via two footswitches. One for OD, the other for Distortion, and both for Fuzz when stacked. Or metal depending how you set up the parameters. Noise gate recommended for the latter as with all metal pedals. Just a helpful hint from your uncle Al. Besides that, Waza you gonna' do?
Congratulations, fantastic video! I agree with you 100%, the Waza Craft series is awesome and I say this for all waza pedals! The difference with the standard ones is felt above all under your fingers, while you are playing. If I were you, I'd keep the 2006 ds-1 and the Craft waza (absolutely the best of all: Waza Craft!) And I'd sell the two 79 and 83 ds-1s made in Japan, so you also recover quite a bit ' of money. Thanks for the nice video! Greetings from Italy .
Just bought a pedalboard (my first) with power supply and a DS-1w. Also, finally, MXR 6-band EQ. Excited to put it all together, and after watching this video, knowing that I made a decent choice. DS-1w is $99 for Black Friday :)
Thanks for making this bloody hell long video... I'm actually looking forward to try adding a Boss DS 1 onto my pedal board. Now I think after watching your video, I've come out a conclusion that I can try the Boss DS1 2022 first. But if I have the budget then I might go for the DS1 WAZA...
Iv got an old ds1 And a new ds1 Took the backs off Old one has more circuits than a mig fighter. The new one has a small finger nail sized PCP board 2022 pedal is louder Feed backs first. I like it. Being a Hendrix fan.
Why do i feel like the first two and the waza are going to sound the best? I had one of these that I found at an old music store that my trumpet instructor had bought. (My first job, helping to clean out the old stuff from the store). This was in 1997. But i don't know exactly how old the pedal was or if it had a silver screw. I scored some pretty cool stuff from this place. Sadly i don't know what happened to any of it.
Not enough DS-1s ! You need to get the 50th Anniversary one too ! I think you can rank them in terms of increasing mids ‘83-40th-DS-1 S mode-DS-1 C mode. Just depends what tone you need, they are all Awesome 👏
Don't get me wrong: I've got a DS1, too, but had it modified by a company called Tonehunter (no longer in business, too bad). But I still can't bond with this pedal, although I've tried a lot to make it happen: Put it in front of a clean amp (which works the least for me) or in front of a slighly or even heavier distorted amplifier. To my ears it sounds fuzzy when you crank the distortion knob. At the end of the day I prefer the SD 1 used as a booster. Cheers Andy, great video, though.
Since you are collecting DS 1's, you need the DS-1X. The Waza version is killer though. I had an '83 version of the DS1. I graduated high school that year. Also, are you running those older ones at 12 V?
Andy: That's too many DS-1s! I would get the DS-1W for the two modes, as the custom mode sounds killer. Nothing at all wrong though with the standard DS-1.
I like the 83 V1 model. Which proves sounds and music are subjective which is how it should be! Some good guitar face going on too! Oh and Andy thats too many DS1s
Andy, that's too may DS-1s 🙂 I'm happy DS-1w ended so well - this is the one I own. I'm not etirely happy with it so far myself, need to experiment more finding the tone :-)
Good fun, cheers! First heard one around 1983, in church - I remember thinking it sounded almost blasphemously wicked. Andy, that's too many DS1s, bud!
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Bro... DS 1 tone knob is EQ Shape Character , not a Treble boost.
You miss understand.
The best DS 1 SETTING :
1. Get the good and Right Clean amp set , not too bright sharp.
Tube amp will be better.
2. DS1 : Tone 10 oclock
Level 2 oclock
Dist 3 oclock or full Dist.
Then you compare all the pedals with exact same potentio level.
Do not change the parameter.
I like the orange one best
But some are more orange than others...
🤣
So does this mean, the more the orange more the tone!? : D.
I like Orange amps the most.
No, the orange one is better….
When you held up the black box, "He has the box" immediately played in my head! 😂
We only compare oranges to oranges here!
“I’m not going to twist knobs”proceeds to twist all the knobs...lol Some things you just can’t help.
Great vid! That 83!
For anyone wondering, you can't just set the knobs the same and expect them to sound exactly the same.
There is something called parts tolerance as well as component drift. These two factors mean even if you have two pedals of the same model and year, you have to adjust the knobs to get them to match. You can't just set everything at noon and expect them to sound the same.
Wasn’t in the market for a new pedal … until I tuned in to your live stream. You are an enabler to my GAS problem. Lol. Love your channel.
hahaha... sorry (not sorry)
This video was far more enjoyable to watch than it has any right to be. I was captivated to the very end. Great job Andy, and yes, that is too many DS-1s.
Andy: That's too many DS-1s!
Every Waza pedal has been a home run so far.
So far, YES! (Bring on the SG-1w)
Andy that’s NOT ENOUGH DS-1s!
Psshhh
I have been a DS-1 user for years - my favorite pedal of all time. I have the black label from the 80's which I bought in a music store in the 80's and it has been on my board ever since. Recently it developed a hum and it's really hard to use live, so I need a new one. Thanks for this shootout. I'm going to give the "W" a try and see how it goes.
why not just change the caps? Sounds to me like they are just dried out (they do that with age).
Great video! I wasn’t expecting the DS-1w to sound that much better than the DS-1, but it is a considerable improvement.
Andy, that’s too many DS-1s…
Hey Dan! yes, I was also very surprised.
I'll go with the '83 DS-1
Andy, that's too many DS-1's.
Great video. I've been considering collecting the different versions. I was disappointed to the hear the '79 DS-1 got knocked out in the first round.
Me too I love mine
Andy, that is too many DS-1's....but also the right amount!
correct answer :D
Like this approach to reviewing.
I did a similar test myself a few months ago (before I saw your great video) and came to EXACTLY the same conclusion. The Wazacraft on the custom mode was just the best sound. I only had two other DS-1s to compare to but I found the same thing. They’re definitely getting something very right with the Wazacraft series.
All pedal shootouts should be done with a looper - well done my good sir!
Thanks man. Yes, this is the only way to do it!
@@TheGuitarGeek Not only a looper, but doing the output balance the way you do with '79 vs '83. ALL pedal shootouts by EVERYBODY. You did the test video genre a good thing, Andy! Setting standards is GOOD. OK? OK!
Andy that's too many ds1s ! But I might know what I wants in my Christmas stocking! Thanks for your output!
I can see how a gigging player might have 2. One as a backup. Even 3 if you don't want to unpack your gig rig at home, so get a third for the bedroom rig. Maybe even 4 if you leave one at your parents/friends. But ... how does someone end up with 7? 😆
Anyway, good to see you having fun!
Damn it dude, bought another pedal because of you! That tone crushes through your rig! Good job!
That Custom mode is ridiculous. Love it.
Yes, Andy, that is clearly too many DS-1's. But I'm glad you did it. I might just as well spring for the cheaper, newer model for now. If ever I do anything outside of the house jamming in the future, then I'd look into the waz for more power. Plus I could pass the cheap model down to the boy when he gets older. He's 5 months, so we got some time. 😂 Thanks again for this video!
I vote the 79. Also nice job recognizing the importance of pot tolerances, I think many people overlook that when it comes to vintage gear.
I got my very first pedal, a brand new DS-1, and it is perfectly serviceable to me. I love it
Good choice!
Andy, that's too many DS1's! I am now really glad I sprang for the cheap new 2023 which was likely built in 2022. It helps me not second guess myself to hear all those in depth comparisons. Thank you very much for doing what I don't have the resources to do!
That's too many DS1's! Great video.
I've still got my DS1 which l bought in '82. Never given me any problems. Won a Bad Monkey recently which is a great pedal. Love the extra tone controls. And waiting for a JHS Notaklön to be delivered. I think l'll have all bases covered with those three plus a just breaking up tone from my amps.
Cheers from the UK!
Some might say "Andy, that's too many DS-1's!", but I say thee nay! The Waza is the perfected one (to my ears anyway).
6 dB more sounds like the correct answer to me. Very educational- I had no idea that I needed another DS-1!
Great comparison Andy. At the end, they sound very similar so i'm gonna stick with my Boss DS-1 v3 made in 2008. But between you and me, Andy... that's too many DS-1s!
Good choice
Hats off to you mate! Wow what a killer video…Thank you for all of the hard work you put into videos!
Thank God now I'm a new member of The End of The Video Club!
Thank you for this very useful video!
You got a new subs!
And also Andy..., that's too many DS-1s!
Andy: that's too many DS-1s! But it was cool to hear the difference between all of them, and how they all sounded a bit different, yet, kinda the same.
I just looked mine up, which I remember buying new around '93 or '94, and yep: and it was made in May '93...the tail end of the v1 line. I use mine with a PRS CE24 bolt-on (got around the same time as the pedal) and a Silverface Fender Twin Reverb (I think it's around '76). Used with a BOSS GE-7 and a really old Ibanez II Compressor (it is noisy, and I love it!), I can make the thing sound fantastic...probably with enough tone to give the DS-2 and the Waza Craft a run for their money.
Unfortunately somebody has stolen my old MIJ DS-1. I bought a DS-1 with the Keeley Modd and I‘m really fine with it…👍🏼🤠🤘🏼🎸🖖🏼
Thanks a lot, it's great comparison!
I'm surprised that there are so many variations of DS-1 and I'm very shocked especially that there are clear differences in the factory settings of the tone knobs.
I have been using a DS-1 made in Japan with a black screw, that is called the '83 V1 version in this video, for over 30 years (actually it has no troubles even now). And recently I bought a new DS-1w as a backup. And this video gave me a good chance to be aware of the differences between them.
But, anyway, all variations have good DS-1 tones. And I really feel easy about I can get a new one anytime needed even today.
Now I have to go play some riffs on my DS-1 when I get home. Lol. Great video.
Andy that's too many DS-1s. I've had mine since about 1979/1980 and still love it !
THATS ALOT OF NUTS!!!!!! - kung pow: Enter the fist
This was quite a fun test. I already knew some of the differences (like silver knob being slightly quieter and bassless), but as far as the other differences went, I thought they would've been more drastic.
Next do the modded versions (Jhs, Keeley, etc) or SD-1. That would be great.
Wow!!! So many.
I walked out of a store without the DS-1w, now I want to go back and get it before it's gone.
Andy, that's too many DS-1s.
Andy, anyone who tells you that is too many DS-1s is no friend of yours. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
a true friend!
I have a 84 cobalt grey hex screw/ehx/philharmonic circuit version. Good luck finding one as I made it up in my head.
Hey Andy, that's not quite enough DS-1s! I was fortunate to recently get my hands on a v3 2006-ish era DS-1 with the Keeley mods (Seeing eye and Ultra). Quite possibly my favourite pedal.
Oh Andy, I share the passion for the great DS-1, don’t have quite as many but there’s still time. I have pulled the switch on a waza one now! We never did get to that schlager discussion at gear street too, next time!
thanks so much for your work. this is great value for everyone.
This is better than watching Formula 1 race. And Andy, you've got too many DS1s :):):) Thanks!
Andy! That's too many DS-1s!
When I was starting out, I ended up going with the DS-2. I stand by that pedal, but this video, and an ever-evolving palette and general curiosity have led me to look into picking up a DS-1 style pedal.
Andy... that's too many DS-1s!
Someone had to do it. Bravo!
More DS1 pedals to be had out there, I watched thru to completion. I’ll never be the same. lol…
I just bought the '22 like a month ago and I'm pretty pleased how close it is to the older ones.
Saved a little money buying the base model over the Waza, that's a good enough excuse to drop $1,500 on a Kurt Cobain Jaguar, right?... Right?
Andy that's too many DS-1's.
Missing the 50th anniversary LOL
Surprisingly the 2006 sounds so similar to the 1983 version.
Thanks for this awesome comparison.⭐️
The worst version is definitely the 40th anniversary.
Why?
You have gone down a similar rabbit hole that I had with HM-2s. At one time I had 18, including old 80s/90s clones, but I sold many of them because they all sounded very similar and in isolation were "that sound".
I still have 5 Boss HM-2s (3 Japanese 2 Taiwanese) but I won't be buying the Waza version.
Can't say I had a favourite DS-1 out of that lot, I'd take any (I think mine is a V3).
Andy, that's too many DS-1s!
As far as the difference between the 1983 and 2022 is more due to the 30+ year old components. The 1983 is a bit darker and full because of it. I have both the 1983 and the Waza. Love both. The DS-1 is imho the best distortion because it can go from boost to overdrive to distortion to fuzz. Buy two and you can get all three via two footswitches. One for OD, the other for Distortion, and both for Fuzz when stacked. Or metal depending how you set up the parameters. Noise gate recommended for the latter as with all metal pedals.
Just a helpful hint from your uncle Al. Besides that, Waza you gonna' do?
I really enjoyed this video. Thanks!
Congratulations, fantastic video! I agree with you 100%, the Waza Craft series is awesome and I say this for all waza pedals! The difference with the standard ones is felt above all under your fingers, while you are playing. If I were you, I'd keep the 2006 ds-1 and the Craft waza (absolutely the best of all: Waza Craft!) And I'd sell the two 79 and 83 ds-1s made in Japan, so you also recover quite a bit ' of money.
Thanks for the nice video!
Greetings from Italy .
Just bought a pedalboard (my first) with power supply and a DS-1w. Also, finally, MXR 6-band EQ.
Excited to put it all together, and after watching this video, knowing that I made a decent choice.
DS-1w is $99 for Black Friday :)
lol caught u playing drain you and thats a nice sounding jaguar
It really is!
I own a 1983 DS1, it’s music to my ears…. I threw my made in Taiwan DS1 off the CN Tower after playing through the 83
The A/B testing would be more pronounced and faster if the pedals were on the floor so you could stomp for changes without gaps in the playing.
Andy, that is exactly the right number of DS-1s
You are talking sense
Video of 2022 right here !
I just love it, you are just awesome just giving me smiles all the way! What a hoot 👍 great!
That's really wonderful.
Andy, that’s too many DS-1’s! I like the ‘83 😂
Andy that’s TOO MANY ds-1’s! Thank you for…distorting…the ds-1 conundrum. Guess I need a waza craft. No! a version 1. Nah fuck it, I’m getting a rat.
Great vid as always, I believe the DS-1 was originally designed so people with single coils could sound more better, like people with humbuckers!
Well surely putting humbuckers through it is even betterer then!
@@TheGuitarGeek Ugh... grammar, people.... More gooder. And, Andy, that's TOO many DS-1s.
Wild the change per units
Thanks for making this bloody hell long video... I'm actually looking forward to try adding a Boss DS 1 onto my pedal board. Now I think after watching your video, I've come out a conclusion that I can try the Boss DS1 2022 first. But if I have the budget then I might go for the DS1 WAZA...
Glad I could help!
Andy, that's too many DS1's. But a damn good journey checking them all out!
I loved every minute
Andy! That's too many DS-1s!
I would like a DS-1, just need to be not-absolutely-broke for a little while.
i am sure you will find one soon
@@TheGuitarGeek Not if you buy them all first!
Tone paint makes a big difference.
POV when boss makes you pay 100 dollars more for the same pedal but with a custom switch
Extremely useful, thanks!
Iv got an old ds1
And a new ds1
Took the backs off
Old one has more circuits than a mig fighter.
The new one has a small finger nail sized PCP board
2022 pedal is louder
Feed backs first.
I like it.
Being a Hendrix fan.
Boss DS-1 Waza is The Boss
Why do i feel like the first two and the waza are going to sound the best? I had one of these that I found at an old music store that my trumpet instructor had bought. (My first job, helping to clean out the old stuff from the store). This was in 1997. But i don't know exactly how old the pedal was or if it had a silver screw. I scored some pretty cool stuff from this place. Sadly i don't know what happened to any of it.
Not enough DS-1s ! You need to get the 50th Anniversary one too ! I think you can rank them in terms of increasing mids ‘83-40th-DS-1 S mode-DS-1 C mode. Just depends what tone you need, they are all Awesome 👏
Well done! Thank you. Andy, that's too many DS-1's.
Don't get me wrong: I've got a DS1, too, but had it modified by a company called Tonehunter (no longer in business, too bad). But I still can't bond with this pedal, although I've tried a lot to make it happen: Put it in front of a clean amp (which works the least for me) or in front of a slighly or even heavier distorted amplifier. To my ears it sounds fuzzy when you crank the distortion knob. At the end of the day I prefer the SD 1 used as a booster. Cheers Andy, great video, though.
Since you are collecting DS 1's, you need the DS-1X. The Waza version is killer though. I had an '83 version of the DS1. I graduated high school that year. Also, are you running those older ones at 12 V?
DS-1w was my fav too. Andy that's to many DS-1's!!!
It’s “gooder” love it Andy 👍🏻😂
Holy crap, you are insane
Andy: That's too many DS-1s! I would get the DS-1W for the two modes, as the custom mode sounds killer. Nothing at all wrong though with the standard DS-1.
I like the 83 V1 model. Which proves sounds and music are subjective which is how it should be! Some good guitar face going on too!
Oh and Andy thats too many DS1s
Just ordered the 2022 ds1. Enjoyed the video and decided to stay with the 2022 instead of the waza. I liked the 2022 better, not sure why.
Andy, that's too may DS-1s 🙂
I'm happy DS-1w ended so well - this is the one I own. I'm not etirely happy with it so far myself, need to experiment more finding the tone :-)
pre 1983 boss pedals used an ACA adapter (12 volts unregulated) as opposed to 9 volts. unless you accounted for that....
Andy, that’s too many DS-1s...ABSOLUTELY NOT. I would be proud to have a collection of these. If you don't need the money you shouldn't sell them.
Very useful video, cheers
atcully hyped my gf said she was buying me the ds2 but ended up buying the ds-1w
I got mine in 2021. I like running an SD-1 into it to get the mid fullness. Maybe I should buy the Waza version and save board space? Great video!
I have a question.I bought my DS-1 used back in 2003.How would i know what year the pedal is from ?
Good fun, cheers! First heard one around 1983, in church - I remember thinking it sounded almost blasphemously wicked. Andy, that's too many DS1s, bud!
In church??? That sounds like a fun story!
I have a 79 and a 99. They are similar but the 99 is more aggressive and slightly louder.
what will be the sound if you connect all those pedals at the same time? 🤔
Andy, that’s too many DS-1s… For me the 2022 would fit. Great comparisation.
Andy that’s too many DS1s. Wazza wins for me. 👍🏼🎸 Grest method btw! Smiled a lot watching this one and tests what it should be about. Fun! Ooo. Ahhh.
34:53 *Insert “He has the box” jingle*
Andy that's too many DS-1's.......I will be replacing my Boss DS-2 with the Boss DS-1W.
Thanks for the video.