[2.7] Predicting the Harbingers - A Genshin Impact Theory
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Seeing as we're on the cusp of Sumeru and possibly meeting some new Harbigners, I thought now would be a great time to take a stab at predicting what number our unknown Harbingers are, AND their constellations! But the method by which the predictions take place... well, it's a little unorthodox.
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Passion Etymolgy
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Biblical Numerology
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**NOTES AND CORRECTIONS**
- This video was made before 2.8 with Childe's new voice lines, HOWEVER - there are some nuances to the "ranked by strength" thing. In CN the word used doesn't refer to raw combat power, it's talking about overall strength for the harbingers. For example, Pantalone may actually be considerably weaker than Childe in combat, but the fact he runs the Northland Bank and brings in funding for the Fatui allows him to rank higher because the POWER he adds to the fatui OVERALL comes from money. Same with Pulcinella being a government official. Even without that nuance, ranking the last few by strength is incredibly difficult because we know next to nothing about their combat prowess.
- So many people have suggested that the plague doctor mask belongs to Dottore not Pulcinella. I disagree. The reason being is that Dottore is not a medical Doctor. His title is, "The Professor" which implies that he's someone who either has or is pursuing his doctorate degree. He's a PhD. Pulcinella generally has a mask in the commedia that has a reeeeeaaaalllly long nose, so I'm sticking with my original predictions there.
- A lot of you asked where the hersey symbol came from. Best I can offer is that it came from the symbol of the "Sacred Heart" which, through Jansenism, became associated with heresy over time. At least as far as I can tell.
- It's also been brought to my attention two things about the hand with a flame. The first is that it's actually called a "Hand of Glory" which is a hand that's been cut off a criminal or a dead person and turned into a candle or candle holder. You can google details yourself but it's kinda gross. The second thing is that Arlecchino runs an orphanage called the "House of Hearth" and you light a hearth with a flame, so I think my "process of elimination" actually worked in my favor here.
- Note that some genders of unmet harbingers may not be accurate in this video. Some of the characters I've classified as men might be women for example. A lot of the harbingers are referred to in CN with gender neutral terms.
- I'm also aware that we don't have an exact date for Signora's recruitment, but it feels extremely far-fetched to assume she wandered the world for over 50 years in a constant state of deterioration. It's possible, but I'm very very skeptical.
@@joshhallam6342 i’d recommend deleting that, ashi usually likes to keep her comments leak free for those who don’t look at them
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It doesn’t work for iOS, no ashikai channel for me :(
Firefox. Better in every single parameter you can think of.
actually I want to point out one thinc
we dont know for how long exactly signora roamed teivat in her crimson witch form
maybe she walked around for 500 years and than roamed into snezhnaya when she almost died and was faund and recruited by pierro(I dont remember where exactly but it was mentioned that signora was recruited by pierro) so number pf harbingers might be an order of recrution
Ashikai: Spends hours piecing together the identities of all the harbingers. Mihoyo: I'ma do what's called a pro gamer move.
The role thing 100% makes sense when you realise that Tartaglia's role seems to basically be 'do whatever we need you to do in the moment'. Like he's currently chasing down Scaramouche likely because he's the one who'd be most free to do so. It's not that his role doesn't matter, it's that his seems to be the most flexible.
i was wondering why he's the one chasing him, but that makes sense !
@@hadhuda12ify childe seems to have no big role that he oversees, he seems like the one they call in for odd jobs. Like while he was the primary villain in Liyue, its seems Signora and Pantalone are the primary Fatui agents in that area.
@@hadhuda12ify Probably because the Tsaritsa is willing to kill Scaramouche if he doesn’t return the gnosis, so she sent one of her best fighters to track him down
Childe's role is more of an chaos agent, what I mean by using term chaos agent is a thing/unity/person that role is destabilising one particular area, entity which provides some kind of danger that must be dealt with as quickly as possible and cannot be ignored. He becomes the centre of everyone's attention and adds a lot of pressure, so other Fatui harbingers can conduct their plans and schemes much more easily and smoothly. It's something like placing a nuke with timer in enemy's city
Wait he's chasing him? Sorry I was NOT keeping up with lore for a while lol
This girl ACTUALLY predicted the Fatui Harbinger Reveal this is insane
Ashikai: "After trying to make sense of timelines in Genshin, I have literally determined that time has no meaning and that making sense of timelines is an exercise in absurdity"
Also Ashikai: "So about the timeline of fatui harbinger recruitment..."
She can't figureoutwhichtimelines matter
wellllll maybe timelines do have meaning =p
Well that’s just taking into account different places in relation to other places (like Enkanomiya time vs Teyvat time) but I don’t think there’s any reason to believe all the harbingers before Signora are from places other than Teyvat. There could be other reasons they’re all really old but we would have to find those out. And it would also mean all these harbingers are from cataclysm time which seems outlandish right now
She was talking about domains and stuff on the "time has no meaning" vid. Like how every domain has its own time progression. But Teyvat as a whole not a domain like structure. Even if it is, time should be normal here.
@@MahirAnowar I know but that, just like the fact the crux of the argument is about biblical numerology and commedia del'arte parallels makes the joke less FUNNY now DOES IT?
From a world quest "The Very Special Fortune Slip", Arlecchino is said to run an orphanage, called the House of the Hearth. The process of elimination you jokingly said could be fitting.
Because of the small flame above the clawed hand in the symbol?
@@nthinparticular3345 yeah. Hearth is a fireplace
There's more evidence to prove Pantalone being associated with the word 'gift' as in one of Yelan's character stories it mentions that he intended to gift the tsarista a jacket but Yelan intruded the operation and essentially stole it from him.
But aside from that, I never even considered the harbingers being numbered according to their roles. This was such an amazing theory
Wait so thats the jacket yelan has on her? LMAO (also 94 likes and no comments i will have to change that.)
@@hexi9595it is indeed. typical yelan things lmao
i'm starting to wish i had yelan just for the character stories
@@hexi9595 Yeah the story kinda goes as follows,
Yelan has 2 bracelets to communicate with her family but she loses one, I forgot why exactly; She wanted to get back at Pantalone since her bracelet meant so much to her that she went and stole something from him. The jacket she wears now used to be covered with the fur of a mystical beast that went extinct AGES ago, but she didn't like how it looked so she scraped it off. That jacket was meant to be a gift from Pantalone to the Tsaritsa.
yelan is such a girlboss for doing that
La Signora’s constellation being the moth is perfect- drawn to the flame, reborn in fire
Her flower is also the Crimson Lotus (it's the flower of the Crimson Witch set and the butterfies in her fight are called: Crimson Lotus butterfly). The Crimson Lotus also represents resurrection.
Killed by fire yet again, but this time a crackling one.
The hand constellation always reminded me of Midas's golden touch. You know, everything he touched turned to gold, gold=money, Pantalone is the harbinger known for money... But then again he (Midas) was granted the golden touch by a god, unlike Pantalone who never received anything. Idk probably just me nerding over mythology
I think the Gnosis is that golden touch, its a gift from a god.
@@Optclzr or even the delusions given to the fatui by the tsaritsa even
He did got something from god - his position as a Harbinger. Remember, Her Majesty is a cryo archon, archons = genshin gods. I'd say that is even more accurate than a vision would be, since in that ordeal he got his position of power, aka his "golden touch" from an archon aka god, rather than visions being distributed by Celestia.
I never thought about it that way good point.
Midas from fortnite??
is it just me or whenever she uploads i always tend to feel a burst of excitement before the videos even starts like ToT MORE LORE CONTENTTTTTT
That's Ashikai for you!
I was just about to say the same thing
That’s the Ashikai effect it’s almost as secretive as the archons themselves :))
Thissss 😩👍✨💖 You summed up my feelings for Ashikai
she has a nice voice and i love her enthusiasm for genshin lore.
so we all just flipped out and came back to this vid
The fact that this is almost PERFECTLY accurate to what we saw in the teaser with all the harbingers shocked me. Now that we know a little more on each of the harbingers this theory can be even more precise and give us a better idea of each harbinger
Not me rushing back to here after the fatui interlude teaser-
I initially thought that Arlecchino was going to be one of the lower Harbingers, but then after I watched the video, I remember I read something like this: “Scaramouche is often beaten by Arlecchino, due to his boasting and cowardice.” So now it makes more sense that he may be a higher number than Scaramouche…
where did you read this? i need to read the whole thing
In the game?
where did u read this?
@@epictetusphilosophy It’s not in the game !! I think you can find that quote under the wiki of Scaramouche (from Commedia Dell’ Arte),but I’m not aware if it’s reliable, since how the reputation of Wikipedia is-..
@@linx7953 thanks
Numbering by roles is also a schema used by soccer teams, funnily enough also 1-11. 1 is usually the goalkeeper, 4 a defender, 9 a striker etc.
#10 being the "Capitano" also makes a lot of sense
Fatui actually being Snezhnaya F. C.?
@@zerefsunlimitedshipworks PFFFF-
what about the other numbers? (I don't know anything about soccer sorry TwT)
@@acat5104 usually 1 is the goalkeeper, 2-5 are defenders, 6 and 8 are duo that work together a lot, 10 is the captain, usually placed behind the strikers, 9 is the striker, and 7 and 11 are wingers.
However this is just the culturally presumed roles for each number and isn't necessarily applied to players in a lot of cases.
Hoyoverse dropping the harbingers just like that is not only literally crazy, but also kinda funny given you had made this so recently. Cant wait to for a vid about ur reaction
Who else came back to watch this after Hoyoverse dropped the bombshell of revealing the designs for all the Harbingers
me and ashikai was right with a lot of them💀💀
This aged like fine wine lol
columbina as number 3 is perfectly predicted im amazed
I might have missed an in - joke somewhere but after watching a few of your videos I am now convinced that Yanfei is your spirit animal which is completely valid
Everyone coming back to this after the harbinger teaser
I actually had this thought that the world of genshin is just a big act. Especially considering that archon quests are separated through acts and that, in the manga, when Vennessa enters Celestia, it looks like one of those big stadiums.
The glimpse of Celestia we see in the manga is more similar to a Panopticon , which is a jail where the cells are all facing a huge column where the jailers watch them simultaneously
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
thus suggesting that 'ascending' mortals is a way for the Heavenly Principles to effectively take the most powerful (and potentially dangerous) mortals under 'direct custody', so to speak.
However, it is true that the Panopticon itself takes a lot of inspiration to ancient theatres and pleasure gardens, as the wiki mentions, so your idea has some very valid points as well.
Remember Teyvat trailer and how each region is considered act? You might be into something here.
@@mitacestalia7532 In the trailer Dainslif mentions that this is *our* story. The journey at different regions are the respective acts .
@@ezyawn3161 ! SPOILERS FROM GENSHIN BETA TEST !
Yeah, Venti was the one narrating the introduction as if he was just retelling the story of the whole game to an audience implying that everything that will happen has already happened and we're just replaying the tale of our journey.
@@skrrtskrrt2410 What introduction??
SHE ACTUALLY PREDICTED SCARAMOUCHES (WANDERER) CONSTELLATION
“i’m sure we’re going to get some new information soon”. …little did she know
Number 15 represents burger king foot lettuce, the last thing you want in your burger king burger is someone's foot fungus
For some reasons, fighting the Fatui Harbringers in potentially each chapter feels like the equivalent of battling the Flamechasers in the Elysian Realm storyline in HI3. For every battle, Raiden Mei unlocks some of the Flamechasers truth and reasons, even though they are memory avatars in the realm. This goes the same for the traveller, though its better to pay attention to the details and progression.
So far the 11 Fatui Harbringers and 13 Flamechasers have several similarities/parallels;
- assigned codenames/alias
- Harbringers constellations are akin to Flamechasers signets
- underwent body alteration (delusions and experimentation, MANTIS surgery)
- both battles involves defying the fate of destruction set in stone
- their lores unlocked when certain quests/actions are done (Genshin through Archon/Character/Event/World Quests and reading the item lores closely, Honkai involves battles and reaching a certain level of each Flamechaser signet)
- both groups have their own hidden agenda, which sometimes involves taking out each other
- both involves somewhat distorted time-space to some extent (Honkai with bubble universes/anchors/quantum sea, Genshin with Abyss/chaotic spaces/domains)
- some members are playable (female Flamechasers due to Honkai system, Tartagila is only playable Harbringer for now in Genshin)
- some members are partly dead in a metamorphical sense (Elysian realm Flamechasers are sims/memory avatars with only a few still alive in flesh, Harbringers situation are highlighted in artifacts/leylines, which stores memories)
Oh dont forget the traitor that ended up being an outsider
@@jovelyndungog5366 Who is that?
@@anitakhcreate scaramouche probably
Spoiler for Sumeru another harbinger is playable hint I seen a little silhouette of an man
@@Lia-py1qo No, I mean in Honkai
Two weeks later and we got all the harbingers, can't wait to see what you'll have to say
Finally someone actually made a sensible video about the numbering of the harbingers and not just like "I feel like this will go here because because of my gut feeling" XD. I've always thought that the no. were recruitment order and not anything special but this video opened my brain so much. I'm really hyped of how much the ramp up in Sumeru is gonna be (as I have predicted) and since I consider the Fatui some of the best antagonists in stories that I have seen just because how simple yet intriguing they are I am hyped to meet more fools and crazy people that actually feel scary and stupid XD.
Ashikai : Comes up with convoluted lore on how the harbingers are ranked, while taking points from real-world mythology, and makes a believable and lore heavy reason
A winter night's lazzo and childe's new voice lines : so yeah, we're ranked according to power
The numerology still works though that's the fun part
Watching this after all the harbingers reveal feels like she did an incredible job in predicting them because literally even Sandrone has a ruin guard as a puppet, can't wait for her reaction to that video tbhhhhhh
Rewatching this now and will wait for your reaction to the latest video
This theory aged like fine wine, didn’t it?
Watch Dottore just have a bunch of backups of himself. One thing I wonder, if it's chronological, would replacing fallen members be out of the question in a Hoyo game?
watch us fight him and his backups of himself in the future all at once
*Cloning intensify*
Brooooooo how did you predict this
By far the best Harbinger theory out there! I always had this nagging feeling that Yae's dialogue may have been incomplete because if Scaramouche outclasses Tartaglia in power level, then why would the Tsaritsa instruct Tartaglia to go after Scaramouche? That's a suicide mission, a guaranteed loss. Then again, Tartaglia would still do it regardless.
Fatui means fool so their good at fooling the human and god so Yae got fool by himself by a fatui who's smart pretending to fool other
true but Childe is kind of the spare tool in the fatui he does all the odd jobs that involve some sort of combat plus if we are to meet dottore soon which I hope will mention scaramouche since he may know something since he was enhanced by the fatui that or sandrone
It could be that if Tartaglia completed the mission then the reward he would get is that he’d go up in rank, he’d become the new 6
It could be that if Tartaglia completed the mission then the reward he would get is that he’d go up in rank, he’d become the new 6
the new teaser that hoyo dropped is insane!!!! cant wait for ur cover of it
What if you do a part 2 of this theory, like a retouch on it, after 1-2 more harbringers have been released? That way we have more info on the harbringers but still lacking enough of it to make fun little speculations
It was the perfect time to make this video, just before Hovyoverse revealed all remaining Harbingers today.
Oh boy, can’t wait to see what video you make with the new trailer we gottt~ :)
seeing this right after the harbinger reveal and getting chills on how accurate some of your takes are
Well this aged quite interesting
This is perfection, never tired of hearing your theories. Also you talking about the symbol of heresy made me search other symbols and if you look at "Chaos" his it's the eight-pointed star which inevitably reminds of Khaenri'ah's star
After signora's death, those two fatui diplomats in mondstadt did say that her seat will be filled by someone more powerful. That sorta implies that the numbers are seats to be filled according to a certain role, and anyone can take that place rather than the number being directly tied to the character by either order of recruitment, strength or seniority.
In other words, not only does that completely eliminate the option of order of recruitment but we can conclude that each harbinger has a role to play, much like in the commedia, but are also dispensable and can be replaced with other 'actors' as long as their role is fulfilled.
Signora is not going to be replaced. Those two fatuis were just on copium. If the harbinger were replaced we would never defeat them as there would always be a new one.
@@DrBXXI The harbingers got recruited into the ranks many years apart so it doesn't mean that if one had to be replaced it would happen right away. Signora's replacement will likely never be relevant in the game because we might just get to the end of the journey before that. It's the implication of 'seat to be filled' the two fatui mentioned that is important here.
As for the two fatui, it's true they might just be gossiping, but I'm taking all crumbs into consideration.
@@bezzums If anything Signora will be replaced by the same Signora. After all she has the number of resurrection.
@@DrBXXI yeah she isn't human, it's possible
Coming back to this vid after the harbinger reveal hoyoverse dropped 👀
As always excited for your video 🥰, the only thing I can suggest as an Italian is that all your pronunciations are all PERFECT (as they are named after legit Italian masks of our cities tradition + Italian as Signora = the lady today too, pantalone = trousers) except Arlecchino which is pronounced as Arlekkeeno. Same for Pistacchio. The “cchi” in Italian is read as kkee, hard sound plus “e” in English (which instead in Italian we have i pronounced as e, and e is EH).
+ I’m excited for Dottore to appear in the POSSIBLE mission we will have alongside Fatui to destroy the facility where Collei was used in
just one thing... there are no "weak" Harbingers, they all possess power that transcendence that of regular mortals (including vision holders) as Venti said.
but the ranking cannot possibly be based on strength because it's been stated that Tartaglia is stronger than Inazuma's Traveler by Paimon, that Traveler already beat Signora.
But they didn't have the thunder ability at the time
@@qwertyuiop2201 the Traveler had electro when he got to Inazuma, when he fought Signora he already had 3 elements, I'm not talking about the fight in the golden house, there was an event in Inazuma where Paimon said that Tartaglia is "the strongest on the team", which means he's stronger than the Traveler who's part of the team.
@@user-cg2ur4gd6f I dont think Tartaglia can be stronger than Traveler after his defeat in Golden House unless Traveler is weakened in the process or something but Tartaglia is definitely stronger than La Signora who excels at diplomacy
@@lastorderx20001 Tartaglia's power in comparison to the Traveler is murky at best as during the first half of the fight he wasn't taking them seriously simply toying with us until he got a prime shot at the Exuvia as even Paimon was able to figure out.
Then when the second half starts his primary focus is still the Gnosis believing them to either have taken it and/or hidden it as he spends the majority of the fight demanding we either hand it over or tell him where it is effectively tying his hands as he would need us alive/conscious to tell him add the strain of TFLTDD, he effectively lost a war of attrition.
His story quest further calls into question the outcome of the fight.
@@theonewayroad3867 but traveler still joked about beating his a*s up later lol
Watching this after the harbinger teaser is crazy how spot on ur predictions are! Great vid!
This aged so well
Cant believe they revealed the harbingers that early
Mihoyo literally just revealed everyone and I'm losing my shit. Currently rewatching this before watching that video again
I think Pierro is from Khaenri'ah... Zoom in on his eyes.
My understanding of “numerology” is very similar, if you find this helpful: 1: first born, masculine forceful energy. Also known as the fool (the hero’s journey), 2: feminine energy, the mother, union, partnerships of all kinds. Balance. 3: Creation. The 2 create 3. Creativity, imagination and abundance also work. 4: marriage, union in a traditional/religion way. Stability. 4 is sturdy foundation. 5: Conflict. Drama, tension. At best, playful teasing. At worst, fights breaking out. 6: empathy for the suffering, love and protection of children 7: truth, luck, charm, fortune, expansion 8: eternity, infinity, leadership, management 9: reform, burden, fixing, completion, cutting out what doesn’t serve the greater good. 10: see 1. 11: energy. Natural born healers who are extremely intuitive and value truth. :)
Who alls back here after the Harbinger trailer dropped
“The Baladeer is No. 6 of the Fatui Harbingers. In terms of strength, he is superior to Signora”
-Yae Miko 0:10
Ranking by strength doesn't work though. Childe would be the weakest then, but another harbinger doesn't even have a vision.
Rewatching this 7 months later to see how accurate you were, which you were right abt some things
Just came back here after genshin revealed every harbinger out of nowhere TT
Talking about Harbingers is always a treat. Knowing about fictional factions and their main members always amazes me. Like the Phantom Troupe from HxH or the Spriggan 12 from Fairy Tail.
here from the future after they just released every single harbinger!
Omg please do an update with the new Fatui teaser out I think you were so spot on!
this aged well
Excellent video as always, I did have a couple of thoughts that I think further reinforce a couple of points you said:
Firstly, regarding "Tartaglia" and "responsibility", I think it's also worth noting his attitude towards his family, and in particular his story quest/Teucer. It's the definition of responsibility in terms of reliability as opposed to the "responsible = causal" definition. Tartaglia changes his behaviour in order to protect Teucer, and even though there are arguments about the morality of that, I think it's a responsible older brother thing to at least try and protect the innocence of your younger siblings as much as you can.
The second point I'd like to make is regarding your proposed constellation for Arlecchino - Because I agree completely and I think it's worth nothing that a hand holding a (shadowed/blacked out) flame is actually a perfect fit when you consider that the character of Arlecchino covets someone else's loved one, and that "love" and "fire" often share imagery - People refer to a previous love as an 'old flame', there's the expression "burning love", and of course romance and passion are often associated with feelings of fire and burning, to name a few examples. This means that the symbol of a hand cradling a flame is a solid choice for someone who desires love/romance themselves, and there could be an argument that the flame being greyed out is symbolic of that flame being unattainable or untrue in some way... Or could just be a stylistic choice. Who can say?
Anyway thanks again for another great video, I'm already looking forwards to the next one :D
DUDE WITH THE NEW GENSHIN VIDEO SHOWING ALL THE HARBINGERS… YOU ARE 100% SPOT ON!
Watched this after seeing the newest Teyvat Chapter Preview with the Harbinger reveal. The heresy connection with Dottore was SO ON POINT YOOOOO
After the most recent Interlude Chapter teaser, I think this theory video is correct
Almost correct,childe said that the numbers are ranked by strength !
They are actually numbered based on their role on a soccer team
When she got Columbina’s rank right….
I think you are spot on!
I just wanted to say that in numerology:
Number 11 is a number which helps you get through hardships or darkness, inner strength in times of trial, coping well with crisis and chaos.
But the number 6 is the number most associated with love, family and home life... which contradicts Scaramouche's story. It'd be ironic and almost cruel... which it makes sense.
Then number 8 is highly associated with femenine figures, cycles and infinity. Also with wealth and status... reminds me of Signora a lot, since she talked about her high status, elegance, and even in the Tenshukaku scene, she talks about her position in society.
Also the number 4 finds its higher purpose is in the “doing", but that's it. Dottore doesn't have the other qualities of the number. Perfection and structure are the perfect definitions of the number four... maybe the puppet, as seen perfect.
If the gnosticism is related to Celestia, maybe the Tsaritsa doesn't want her troops following their pattern.
That's what I think about numerology but I do also think that you are absolutely right. Just my lil theory!
sorry for my broken english!
Also: !!!
The number 10: "Number 10 resonates with the vibrations and energies of leadership, optimism, confidence, independence, creative powers, success, energy, originality, adaptability, determination and individuality, leadership, confidence, optimism, energy, independence, creative power and every, success, original, adaptable, individualisation, determination."
It goes well with Capitano. :)
Number 7: "it indicates that you have an analytical and investigative approach to life’s mysteries. Life path 7s are always questioning the world around them and seeking deeper knowledge. They aren’t satisfied with surface-level explanations, so they’re constantly digging beneath the surface and searching for meaning"
Pierro is running this thing...
As of today I would say :
No. 1 Capitano - due to the name
No. 2 Dottore - can't wait to own another blue haired character!!!
No. 3 Columbina - based on what Tartaglia said
No. 4 Arlecchino - because damn girl
No. 5 Pulcinella - what is even he?
No. 6 Scara - but he goneeeee
No. 7 Sandrone
No. 8 La Signora - RIP
No. 9 Pantalone - he cute
No. 10 ?
No. 11 Tartaglia
Okay, hear me out here: What if Pantalone and Arlecchino’s constellations were switched? It almost seems like to me that the constellation you assigned to Arlecchino, (the hand/claw one) could almost be likened to a hand grasping around an anatomically shaped human heart. This would liken it to Arlecchino’s goal to “grasp” and “stop” the “heart” of the world through Mora. The constellation you assigned to Pantalone (the hand) could be like the “dirtied hands” of someone who is unfaithful in a relationship (Kind of like how you said it was like the saying involving grease and hands and money [I forgot the saying and I can’t play the video again right now]). This could also make sense due to how the finger that is split through the middle is the ring finger. (That split could also be a ring itself).
This is just my own personal thoughts based on how I interpreted the shape of the claw constellation! Please feel free to add onto my thoughts or tell me your own! :D
I also thought that the constellation she assigned to Arlecchino looked like a hand grasping a heart and would be more fitted for Pantalone, given all his lines about stopping the flux of mora/heart at the Harbinger's will! But I would assign to Arlecchino the constellation with the three nails, mostly because in the Commedia dell'Arte Arlecchino is said to be extremely thin (to be able to fit in the colorful patchwork dress that Colombina made him) and in Italian we have the say "to be as thin as a nail". This leaves Capitano with the hand constellation for process of exclusion!
I don’t know much about the Commedia dell’Arte, so I appreciate that other insight!
Arlecchino has an orphanage in Snezhnaya called the House of Hearth. A hearth is a fireplace or the floor in front of the fireplace.
After watching the new trailer and coming back to this video, I realized that this video is truly impressive in its accuracy being released before the teaser. Defnetely subscribed
it's a good thing that this vid came out before the teaser
I never considered Harbinger wheel being based off when we fight them. It seems to hold true, with Arlecchino’s Hand of Glory puppeting the scene in Fontaine. So we can expect to see Columbina in Natlan? Sure hope she’s playable
Its most likely going to be capitano we meet in Natlan since when barks ran into him he was on his way to natlan
Nice theory! I'm excited to see how it matches up to reality.
Btw, in Italian, if there is an "h" after a "c," it makes a "k" sound. (Same with "g" actually, "h" makes it a hard "guh" sound instead of a "j" sound. That's why spaghetti and ghetto are pronounced the way they are.) The rules are a little more complicated as to when the "c" makes the "ch"ild sound. Basically if the "c" or the "g" is followed by a "e" or an "i," they make the soft "ch"ild or the "j" sound, but if they are followed by an "o" or an "a," then they make the hard sound, no "h" necessary.
Point is, the "h" is there to turn what would be a soft sound into a hard sound, so if you see an Italian word with a "c" followed by an "h," it is a "k" sound.
TL;DR: Arlekkino.
Although, let's be honest--it's not like Genshin is fantastic in its Italian pronunciation, especially in the English dub. Who knows how they'll end up saying all the names.
Italian pronunciations:
Tartaglia: Tar-ta-lia (the g is supposed to make you move the sound further back in your throat, but you DO NOT pronounce it) (just like you don't say the "g" in "Signora")
(EDIT: Scaramouche is apparently French! So his name doesn't abide by Italian pronunciation. How people normally say it is fine! Yay!)
For the other ones, Italian doesn't have silent vowels or silent "e"s or whatever. So all of the "e" endings should sound like "eh" at the end.
Eg. SandronEH, PantalonEH
All Italian words end in one of the four vowels "e" "i" "o" "a"
"i" generally means a noun is plural. "o" or "a" are always singular. "e" can be either.
The implications of this are fantastic of course. "Spaghetti" is referring to multiple noodles. If you only had one noodle, it would be a "spaghetto."
Alrighty. I'm done.
@@FairyFreak100 thank you for that. I always like to be correct with pronoucing names or words
@@FairyFreak100 i discovered it few months ago, but scaramoucche is not italian, but french XD tho i always called him scaramuccia (the italian version of it), but on the original opera was with the french name so should be pronunced in a french way hich... i don't know exacly, i'm italian lol
@@raismin739 oh, that makes me feel way better. XD thank you! I didn't realize it was French. Guess the more common pronunciation of Scaramouche is more accurate, then
@@FairyFreak100 i din't realize in my entire life and I'm italian lol
SOOOOOO, ABOUT THE HARBINGERS.
Was just hoping to see a new vid from you this made my morning significantly better thank you!!!
Bro I can't wait for your follow up video on the new Genshin trailer
I am rewatching this because of the new drip marketing drop. lmao
Columbina/Damslette IS #3. wow good job
But what if we swap constellations of Arleccino and Capitano? I think clawed hand with a flame seems fairly... combatative? While "passion" nails might be relating how love is suffering and also how Christ is a part of a trinity, UNITY of God and a man.
EDIT: OKAY LISTEN "passion nails" are definitely Arlecchino. The character of the commedia dell'arte has his origins in MEDIEVAL PASSION PLAYS. If the nails do reffer to the Passion of the Christ, which they definitely do, it's too much of a coincidence for them NOT to be related to Arlecchino
Arlecchino runs an orphanage in Snezhnaya called the House of Hearth. A hearth is a fireplace or the floor in front of a fireplace.
New Tartaglia voiceline says the harbingers are ranked by strength actually. Very interesting indeed.
Just found out about your channel and have loved binging all lore videos, out of all of them this is probably my favorite, its absolutely INSANE how you predicted so much and the level of insight you had while researching this, even talking about Dotorre's heresy wich is just flat out said verbatim, nuts
17:50 jeez, when you said that about Dottore, i got flashbacks of how Otto extended his lifespan XD
Thank you for presenting the information in an easy to follow way with simple graphics!!
YOU DID IT ASHYYYY
This is actually so interesting especially seeing this 2 weeks later and right after the new genshin video wich shows the harbingers. What you said got me thinking and also questioning what your view would be now that there's an official harbinger video , I really enjoyed this :D and I'm defenetly subscribing
Ashikai, you always amaze me with how deep you delve into researching these things, great video and big kudos honestly. You’re deductions seem pretty solid, but we’re close to Sumeru, so let’s see what that’ll give to us.
Side note: just had some morbid thought that Dottore could be some kind of disfigured, Darth Vader-eske, android, so yeah, not much to go off with it, but just something that popped up when you were on his part(would be interesting if we interact with him at some point(honestly it’ll be nice to see and interact with most or all of the harbingers, the remaining seem like compelling individuals respectively)).
I am rewatching this to try and match the appearances in the new teaser.
Now that all the Fatui harbingers have been revealed, you should do a video on how your theory held up!
I just saw your vid after the harbinger trailer! I’d like to see your intake now that we see them and know who is who. Your theories are really interesting and I don’t normally listen to theories, I prefer to wait for canon lore cause some theories can be confused as canon but yours makes sense and seems logical
Just saw a video of yours for the first time. Enjoyed the unique content a lot! This different analysis is really exciting. Now i need to watch and catch up on your older videos!
there is no proof that Ashikai works for HYV… but this video is close to being just that
now that sumeru and the teaser is out, it makes perfect sense that dottore is no 2 instead of arlecchino! its said somewhere (i dont exactly remember) that dottore can make clones or something close which can represent 2 people
and also in childe’s voice line about columbina he says that the numbers of harbingers are ordered by their strength from what i’ve heard
Yup! Makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
I watched this video after seeing the teaser and your predictions aged well, can't wait for the next Harbingers video!!
ur videos fuel me i get so excited every time and im in love the harbingers/fatui i actually also personally dived into the commedia dell'arte previously and it was really interesting !!
This does makes a lot of sense. Also it was mentioned somewhere in Yelan's voice over or story that Pantalone is actually gonna give Tsaritsa a gift which supports this theory.
Also in a quest in Inazuma where Arlecchino was mentioned, the fatui in shrine maiden has two identities, which I can relate to "duality". Not directly the fatui harbinger but watching this vid made me remember that quest and it makes sense that HYV kind of like giving info/hint about Arlecchino.
How many of us are watching this weeks later after the Harbinger teaser they released?
Lol,i had to rewatch to see if she was right
The fact that this vid got recommended to me after watching the interlude story teaser from Genshin's official channel is something else itself
Wahhh proud of your theory aging well!! Please cover the new trailer of the introductions of the fatui harbingers
Early for the first time omggg I love your theories ! !
HI HELLO.
Um… Idk if you will do it, but I was wondering if you would do anything on Genshin’s newest Interlude Trailer? Or is it not relevant for a theory? I’m not sure if it’s important lore wise or if it’s just to finally reveal the Harbingers appearance. But I would like to see your thoughts on who is who.
Love all your videos btw. I always have them playing while I do other stuff but your theories are so fun to listen to
they probably will since they said the yaksha video will have to wait again in the community post
@@aullennessef OMG I didn’t see that. I’m so excited for their reaction!!!
Hey just so you know Childe's new voice lines about the other harbingers do state that fatui are ranked by strength at least lore wise. Along with confirmation of Columbia being no. 3
the new Tartaglia lines added in 2.8 said they are assigned by power