That is a very difficult call but the umpire made it harder by being out of position. He could not see whether the tag was made or missed so he guessed and made the wrong call. I’m an old umpire.
Blue’s sight line was blocked by the catcher. Clearly the runner was tagged out. Blue called what he saw which obviously was wrong. No fault to him. He couldn’t see the tag from his vantage point. Without replay, play stands. Runner safe at the plate. It’s a tough call especially since the defense made a great play getting the ball in from right field to the cutoff. Who threw a perfectly placed ball right at tag height to the catchers glove. Who having moved into position. Only had to move his glove mere inches for the tag and boom… Nailed ‘em! Sadly that’s not what the scorecard read. That’s why these videos are important. Everyone can learn something. The kids in the field know that they worked and put together a dang near perfect put out at home. Even blue could see that going up the first base line was improper with a runner on 3rd. He actually runs in front of the catcher turning his back on the play and nearly interfering with the cut off throw to home! He ending up the first base line behind catch looking up the third base line at the runner. Where he should read the play at hand, followed the ball and dropped back to the third base side of the plate as the play was coming in from right and to be in position to see both runner and glove. You want to see the ball hit the glove and head on is best. Like when he’s calling balls and strikes. Who knows that? Not many. Blue didn’t. Now he does. Thanks to you..keep videoing. Catching screw ups is but one of many lessons that can be learned from game tape. The farther a player goes obviously the more video comes into play.
The call wasn’t close. I could say, “he was out by a mile”. But, to be more accurate, he was out by nearly a whole foot. Certainly by six inches at least (meaning the runner’s hand was at least six inches from home plate when the defender applied the tag). Clearly, the runner was out. That said, as an umpire myself, I feel qualified to say, the position this umpire elected to take, in this particular situation, lends itself to errors. Notice the umpire has placed himself in a position in which the defender’s body obstructs the clear line of sight in regard to the action taking place. The umpire would be in a much better position if s/he had taken up his/her stance in foul territory on the third base side of home plate. S/he had plenty of time to attain this positioning, but elected to assume an inferior position. Furthermore, positioning that I suggest would also allow the umpire to maintain observation of the field of play with her/his peripheral sight. All around, I give this umpire a D- grade on this particular play. Perhaps he (or she) is a good umpire overall, but s/he could/should use this play to improve in the future. No disrespect intended. I have blown calls myself before; good umpires (and wise people, in general) learn from their mistakes without allowing their egos to override such growth. Finally, this video could be used in training to train other umpires what not to do in similar situations.
Based on this camera angle, I don’t think it’s conclusive. The glove could be a few inches away from the forearm, and we couldn’t tell from the camera angle alone.
Unfortunately, this is what you get when you only pay for 1 umpire. He started going up the 1b line for possible play @1, which put him in a spot totally out of position to make that call at home. Cant call an out if you cannot see it. Good job blue!
What video did you watch? The tag was clearly visible from that angle or pretty much every angle except directly in back of the runner or directly in front of the catcher where their bodies might have blocked the view of the tag.
@@curtismatsune3147 LOL....stop the video on the 10sec mark. Ump is a few feet up the 1b line, catcher directly in front and blocking his clear view, ump is leaning to get a view of the tag he missed. It appears he is the only ump on the field. If he was in that same spot (way out of position) with a partner he'd deserve some crap for the missed call.
He was out being a baseball player he has tagged from 1 feet until the umpire went into the wrong position making look like safe the coach argument was necessary and the Cather was angry it was definitely out hopefully they didn’t throw out the coach or no one thank you for understanding.
Even if his view of the tag itself was obscured by the catcher’s body he still should have called out. If the fielder has his glove in front of the base before the runner arrives, the correct call is out unless the umpire is certain the runner was able to avoid the tag attempt. No one was expecting a safe call in this case, there was no reason to call safe.
Need another angle to see if the catcher made contact at the initial 10 second mark. At the 0:10 mark, it appears the catcher tagged the runner; however, the catcher looks to continue to reach the runner's left arm with the tag and there is a slight gap between the glove and arm after that. The umpire is in the proper position to see if there was contact or not. The video doesn't show that axis of view and the only person in the position to see correctly is the ump.
why would plate umpire EVER run IN FRONT of the catcher, make that big-ass loop into fair territory, and then STAY behind the catcher (which is ALWAYS the worst vantage point)?? at 0:04, the simple decision to retreat back to third-baseline-extended would have made the play easier to call and, just as importantly, looked a whole lot better. good decisions lead to better positioning and better calls.
It is tough to say from the camera angle but it looks out. This is an appreciation call of the umpire and no matter what he determines, one team will be pleased and the other mad. However what I am amazed is that the umpire in any moment of the play takes his face mask off, he needs to attend some umpire training camp to know that the face mask must be off to see the play clearly.
I commented on the mask in my initial response. Your comment is a myth. It is proper mechanics to remove the mask. But I will tell you that as a person who wears it, I can see everything just as good with it on. Yes, he should be removing his mask. It takes away the misconception that he couldn’t see the play. Catcher definitely attempts a tag attempt and does look possible he could have got it. But if I watched this in a replay booth the call would stand either way it was originally called. Just not conclusive.
@@kevinstogner9477 to see what, if he is safe or out? That is not the purpose of my comment. I am an umpire and I will not criticize another ump call, specially if it is safe or out. What I can do and must do is to point out the mechanics because if we improve the mechanics we become better umps and make fewer mistakes; I expect other ump to do the same with me. Again, The ump doesn’t take his mask off at any time which impedes him to have a good field of vision and he could get a different angle of approach to get a better angle of vision.
The question is, what do you think…..there’s a shortage of people who are willing to put up with whacko parents for a few dollars. Besides heckling them during games, keep harassing them by posting their calls on CZcams and the number of people willing to umpire will get even less.
I believe he made the tag but the catcher in my opinion screwed up. He continued reaching for the tag even after it was applied, this would give an ump the perceived “admission” that the catcher never found the tag. Often an ump will go off of reactions if they truly didn’t see the play.
I think you should never argue a call when you have ONE umpire. He had a ball put in play and multiple runners and there are several places the throw could have gone. You want a better look…hire more umpires.
If the ump had the same line of sight that we did he may very well have made a different call. Since he didn't due to the fact that the play at the plate wasn't the only call he had to make on the field he used his judgement. Can't fault him for that.
exactly! But you can fault the coach, this isn't a time to argue a call, the kids we're all mad from a bang bang play and he is just reinforcing putting blame on the ump. This is why myself and so many others have quit umpiring kids games
@@KevinBakin47 - It's always a shame whenever the coach and/or the parents take the game too seriously. The way they act you'd think this was the world series. That behavior just ruins things for the kids and frustrates the umpires (of which you obviously have first hand knowledge) and takes the fun out of the game. 😢
So on this video nothing shows a blown call. You can’t see if the catchers mitt with ball in it touches the runner or not. If I were doing replay the review would be that the play would stand as called. Despite being in the wrong position, the umpire is actually in a good position to see tag or no tag. Or at least a better position than the camera provides. With that said. You have a single umpire working this game. Most likely due to the National Umpire Shortage. Pretty clear he judged a play was going to happen at first as you see him start to move up the line on the fair side then come back on the foul side when he judged the play was coming home. In a one person game this was a bad move. He should have stayed in first base extended then moved to 3rd base extended when he saw the play come home. He would have ended up looking straight up the 3rd baseline for an even better view than at an angle. He did a poor job here but considering he is working alone sometimes you get knuckled up. No different than a SS who gets caught leaning one way and the hit goes the other way. No question he should get the mask off from the crack of the bat. That is the proper mechanic. But he is wearing the hockey style mask, I wear the same style mask. You would be surprised that with the mask on you can see everything still. Yes, proper mechanic is remove the mask. Not making an argument against. Just pointing out that the average spectator has no clue what the actual visibility is like with the mask on. At any rate. If you are going to title a video as a blown call, make sure you can actually show a conclusive bad call. Otherwise it is just a controversial call. Which is basically one side sees it one way, the other side sees it the other way. Sides watch the games with their hearts. Then you have the 3rd side which is how the umpire sees it. No, not every call is right. There are calls made wrong for a variety of circumstances. But more often than not the call is correct.
Umpire is out of position, but it looks like he’s by himself. Tough to get in right spot when you’ve got 3 runners plus follow the ball to determine where play is going.
I think the video angle is inconclusive. Umpire had the best angle and could see if contact was actually made.There's nothing in this video that would prove the umpire was wrong.
I posted this a while back and really just for the team parents who wanted to see the calls that we thought went against us. Didn't post it to call someone out or belittle anyone. Obviously winning / losing, or calls going against us doesn't cost us a million bucks. It's just a game and in the end fun our boys and families. Since I record the games, and parents at times want to see replays, I like practicing my editing skills. Didn't really mean for all this to go this public but i do appreciate the feedback. I'll change the title to something that opens this up to discussion / opinion vs saying this call was blown. 👍👍
I wouldn't worry about it. I used to umpire and had my fair share of good and bad calls. There are plenty of "you make the calls" on my channel. Like I say, missed my fair share - umps are human.
The umpire was out of position and should have taken off his mask. By not doing so, not only does he make it more difficult to see the play, he also makes himself look like he doesn't know what he's doing.
I’m not sure of the purpose of these videos. Is it to subject the rare person who still wants to umpire or referee children’s games for gas money to ridicule? If so, you’re doing a great job of making the field even smaller.
He was tagged out on the arm a full FOOT away from home plate
Yeah definitely out
The umpire was in the correct position until he waddled to the wrong position and missed the call.
The catchers glove moves up as it makes contact with the runners upper arm and shoulder and he was out.
I agree. The ump didn't have good enough position to see the arm tag.
Yeah definitely out
That is a very difficult call but the umpire made it harder by being out of position. He could not see whether the tag was made or missed so he guessed and made the wrong call. I’m an old umpire.
Good Hustle to the wrong position
100% - call was made because he was out of position
He also needs to shed the mask.
Exactly my thoughts. All of you, billelston677, mattmoehring8021, toddlestermedia, and raymondistenes1604 are absolutely right on the money!
Me too. The other problem call s that so many people think the tie goes to the runner. You have to beat the throw.
Out-He was tagged in the arm before his hand touched home. The umpire could’ve seen the call if he was directly behind the catcher.
Umpire moved so he made the wrong call. I understand why the coach was mad
Bro the umpire is blind he was safe by a mile 😂
Catcher tagged runners hand before runner touched home plate, and yes, the ump should have stayed by back of plate for accurate call.
It looked like the catcher tagged the base runner on the arm before getting to the plate. I’d say the runner was out.
angels show importance om this call..
Blue’s sight line was blocked by the catcher. Clearly the runner was tagged out. Blue called what he saw which obviously was wrong. No fault to him. He couldn’t see the tag from his vantage point. Without replay, play stands. Runner safe at the plate. It’s a tough call especially since the defense made a great play getting the ball in from right field to the cutoff. Who threw a perfectly placed ball right at tag height to the catchers glove. Who having moved into position. Only had to move his glove mere inches for the tag and boom… Nailed ‘em! Sadly that’s not what the scorecard read. That’s why these videos are important. Everyone can learn something. The kids in the field know that they worked and put together a dang near perfect put out at home. Even blue could see that going up the first base line was improper with a runner on 3rd. He actually runs in front of the catcher turning his back on the play and nearly interfering with the cut off throw to home! He ending up the first base line behind catch looking up the third base line at the runner. Where he should read the play at hand, followed the ball and dropped back to the third base side of the plate as the play was coming in from right and to be in position to see both runner and glove. You want to see the ball hit the glove and head on is best. Like when he’s calling balls and strikes. Who knows that? Not many. Blue didn’t. Now he does. Thanks to you..keep videoing. Catching screw ups is but one of many lessons that can be learned from game tape. The farther a player goes obviously the more video comes into play.
The umpire was completely out of position to make a correct call..
Crosseyed ump. Or the runner was a family member, or kid of a friend.
He was out!!! Ref was in the wrong position, so he got the call wrong.
The call wasn’t close. I could say, “he was out by a mile”. But, to be more accurate, he was out by nearly a whole foot. Certainly by six inches at least (meaning the runner’s hand was at least six inches from home plate when the defender applied the tag). Clearly, the runner was out.
That said, as an umpire myself, I feel qualified to say, the position this umpire elected to take, in this particular situation, lends itself to errors. Notice the umpire has placed himself in a position in which the defender’s body obstructs the clear line of sight in regard to the action taking place. The umpire would be in a much better position if s/he had taken up his/her stance in foul territory on the third base side of home plate. S/he had plenty of time to attain this positioning, but elected to assume an inferior position.
Furthermore, positioning that I suggest would also allow the umpire to maintain observation of the field of play with her/his peripheral sight.
All around, I give this umpire a D- grade on this particular play. Perhaps he (or she) is a good umpire overall, but s/he could/should use this play to improve in the future. No disrespect intended. I have blown calls myself before; good umpires (and wise people, in general) learn from their mistakes without allowing their egos to override such growth.
Finally, this video could be used in training to train other umpires what not to do in similar situations.
Based on this camera angle, I don’t think it’s conclusive. The glove could be a few inches away from the forearm, and we couldn’t tell from the camera angle alone.
SAFE Haha, umpire missed it - happens. Wasn't in the best position but he's out there, so of course I support him
Hump put his self in a bad spot to make the call and called what he seen.
Unfortunately, this is what you get when you only pay for 1 umpire. He started going up the 1b line for possible play @1, which put him in a spot totally out of position to make that call at home. Cant call an out if you cannot see it. Good job blue!
why did the ump hesitate? did not make his call any more believable.
What video did you watch? The tag was clearly visible from that angle or pretty much every angle except directly in back of the runner or directly in front of the catcher where their bodies might have blocked the view of the tag.
@@curtismatsune3147 LOL....stop the video on the 10sec mark. Ump is a few feet up the 1b line, catcher directly in front and blocking his clear view, ump is leaning to get a view of the tag he missed. It appears he is the only ump on the field. If he was in that same spot (way out of position) with a partner he'd deserve some crap for the missed call.
@@davesharpe8923 See an optometrist, stat.
He was out being a baseball player he has tagged from 1 feet until the umpire went into the wrong position making look like safe the coach argument was necessary and the Cather was angry it was definitely out hopefully they didn’t throw out the coach or no one thank you for understanding.
Arm obviously was tagged..definitely a protest game
Got him on the arm, so he was out.
Angel Hernandez strikes again. 😂
Definitely out. Good tag.
Ump blew that call
Out...tagged on the forearm.
Whatever the ump called. He's got a better view than I do.
I think he was out but it was close.
he was out by a mile
Lazy Umpire never took his mask off
Exactly
Back to Umpire School !! Horrible position to make that call. At 10 Seconds, he's clearly out.
He was out by a mile
Even if his view of the tag itself was obscured by the catcher’s body he still should have called out.
If the fielder has his glove in front of the base before the runner arrives, the correct call is out unless the umpire is certain the runner was able to avoid the tag attempt. No one was expecting a safe call in this case, there was no reason to call safe.
Out - the Catcher hit his hand right before he slid into home plate.
That would be the players left hand.
@@kevinstogner9477 toddlersmedia didn't say "left hand". He/she said "right before".
Out ..............
Need another angle to see if the catcher made contact at the initial 10 second mark. At the 0:10 mark, it appears the catcher tagged the runner; however, the catcher looks to continue to reach the runner's left arm with the tag and there is a slight gap between the glove and arm after that. The umpire is in the proper position to see if there was contact or not. The video doesn't show that axis of view and the only person in the position to see correctly is the ump.
why would plate umpire EVER run IN FRONT of the catcher, make that big-ass loop into fair territory, and then STAY behind the catcher (which is ALWAYS the worst vantage point)?? at 0:04, the simple decision to retreat back to third-baseline-extended would have made the play easier to call and, just as importantly, looked a whole lot better. good decisions lead to better positioning and better calls.
He is so out did that umpire take lessons
It is tough to say from the camera angle but it looks out. This is an appreciation call of the umpire and no matter what he determines, one team will be pleased and the other mad. However what I am amazed is that the umpire in any moment of the play takes his face mask off, he needs to attend some umpire training camp to know that the face mask must be off to see the play clearly.
I commented on the mask in my initial response. Your comment is a myth. It is proper mechanics to remove the mask. But I will tell you that as a person who wears it, I can see everything just as good with it on. Yes, he should be removing his mask. It takes away the misconception that he couldn’t see the play.
Catcher definitely attempts a tag attempt and does look possible he could have got it. But if I watched this in a replay booth the call would stand either way it was originally called. Just not conclusive.
Also, once the ball is put put in play, the mask should come off.
@@baseballumpires6901 I agree with you. Based on this camera angle alone, it’s not conclusive.
Stop the video at 10 Seconds.
@@kevinstogner9477 to see what, if he is safe or out? That is not the purpose of my comment. I am an umpire and I will not criticize another ump call, specially if it is safe or out. What I can do and must do is to point out the mechanics because if we improve the mechanics we become better umps and make fewer mistakes; I expect other ump to do the same with me.
Again, The ump doesn’t take his mask off at any time which impedes him to have a good field of vision and he could get a different angle of approach to get a better angle of vision.
Absolutely OUT
To me he's clearly out, you definitely can see the tag on the forearm.
I don’t think you could say “definitely” based on this camera angle. From this camera angle, the glove could be 6 inches away from the forearm.
He was out.
Why would the umpire hurry up and run to get BEHIND the catcher? Lmao
The question is, what do you think…..there’s a shortage of people who are willing to put up with whacko parents for a few dollars. Besides heckling them during games, keep harassing them by posting their calls on CZcams and the number of people willing to umpire will get even less.
I believe he made the tag but the catcher in my opinion screwed up. He continued reaching for the tag even after it was applied, this would give an ump the perceived “admission” that the catcher never found the tag. Often an ump will go off of reactions if they truly didn’t see the play.
It looked like the catcher touched the arm of the runner before the runner touched the home plate.
He was out but real life doesn't have slow motion :)
he was so out
Ump was out of position and his view of the tag was obscured. Clearly an out.
I think you should never argue a call when you have ONE umpire. He had a ball put in play and multiple runners and there are several places the throw could have gone. You want a better look…hire more umpires.
🗣️OUT!
Out - every time I watch it
it is out but cuz it being a bang bang play i can see y he messed up, 3 things didnt help. 1. his stance 2. his position and 3. he kept his mask on
If the ump had the same line of sight that we did he may very well have made a different call. Since he didn't due to the fact that the play at the plate wasn't the only call he had to make on the field he used his judgement. Can't fault him for that.
exactly! But you can fault the coach, this isn't a time to argue a call, the kids we're all mad from a bang bang play and he is just reinforcing putting blame on the ump. This is why myself and so many others have quit umpiring kids games
@@KevinBakin47 - It's always a shame whenever the coach and/or the parents take the game too seriously. The way they act you'd think this was the world series. That behavior just ruins things for the kids and frustrates the umpires (of which you obviously have first hand knowledge) and takes the fun out of the game. 😢
Clearly out
Looked out to me.
Catcher needs to learn to keep his helmet/mask on when there’s a play at the plate.
Out
Way out easy call
safe!
Out.
So on this video nothing shows a blown call. You can’t see if the catchers mitt with ball in it touches the runner or not. If I were doing replay the review would be that the play would stand as called. Despite being in the wrong position, the umpire is actually in a good position to see tag or no tag. Or at least a better position than the camera provides.
With that said. You have a single umpire working this game. Most likely due to the National Umpire Shortage. Pretty clear he judged a play was going to happen at first as you see him start to move up the line on the fair side then come back on the foul side when he judged the play was coming home. In a one person game this was a bad move. He should have stayed in first base extended then moved to 3rd base extended when he saw the play come home. He would have ended up looking straight up the 3rd baseline for an even better view than at an angle. He did a poor job here but considering he is working alone sometimes you get knuckled up. No different than a SS who gets caught leaning one way and the hit goes the other way.
No question he should get the mask off from the crack of the bat. That is the proper mechanic. But he is wearing the hockey style mask, I wear the same style mask. You would be surprised that with the mask on you can see everything still. Yes, proper mechanic is remove the mask. Not making an argument against. Just pointing out that the average spectator has no clue what the actual visibility is like with the mask on.
At any rate. If you are going to title a video as a blown call, make sure you can actually show a conclusive bad call. Otherwise it is just a controversial call. Which is basically one side sees it one way, the other side sees it the other way. Sides watch the games with their hearts. Then you have the 3rd side which is how the umpire sees it. No, not every call is right. There are calls made wrong for a variety of circumstances. But more often than not the call is correct.
Just one of thousands of videos showing how terrible umpires are at their job, I'm sure this ump stuck by it too
Umpire is out of position, but it looks like he’s by himself. Tough to get in right spot when you’ve got 3 runners plus follow the ball to determine where play is going.
OUT, NO DOUBT
Bad movement and positioning by the ump. But it is his call to make. Out.
I think that really terrible MLB ump was moved down to this league.
Out of position. The ump can’t see through the catcher
I think the video angle is inconclusive. Umpire had the best angle and could see if contact was actually made.There's nothing in this video that would prove the umpire was wrong.
OUT!
I slowed it down its and out by a whole 10 yards 0:11
I posted this a while back and really just for the team parents who wanted to see the calls that we thought went against us. Didn't post it to call someone out or belittle anyone. Obviously winning / losing, or calls going against us doesn't cost us a million bucks. It's just a game and in the end fun our boys and families. Since I record the games, and parents at times want to see replays, I like practicing my editing skills. Didn't really mean for all this to go this public but i do appreciate the feedback. I'll change the title to something that opens this up to discussion / opinion vs saying this call was blown. 👍👍
I wouldn't worry about it. I used to umpire and had my fair share of good and bad calls. There are plenty of "you make the calls" on my channel. Like I say, missed my fair share - umps are human.
Definitely out
Umpire needs to take the damn mask off
OUT
From this angle, it very clearly looks like he made a good tag on their left arm but who knows, maybe from the umps angle, he missed.
He was out!
Need Video review challenge 😅😅
Love this response!!! And you're right!
ump in terrible position to make this call.
Human error is inherent in sports 0:24
get the angle call should be out.
The umpire was out of position and should have taken off his mask. By not doing so, not only does he make it more difficult to see the play, he also makes himself look like he doesn't know what he's doing.
For those sayings inconclusive. Watch his arm drag the catchers mitt down before he even starts his slide.
Clearly out
How could his arm drag the catchers mitt down when the catchers mitt is behind his arm?
I’m not sure of the purpose of these videos. Is it to subject the rare person who still wants to umpire or referee children’s games for gas money to ridicule? If so, you’re doing a great job of making the field even smaller.
well said......obviously only 1 umpire in this game so he gets caught out of position because he had to worry about a possible play at 1st base.......
What do I think? It’s a youth baseball game, who cares?
Out by a mile
That was such a clear out. It was in 4k
Out? Safe? I think anyone posting videos of kids baseball referees should quit their job, volunteer to umpire and get a life!
Considering the fact that almost everybody in the stands has a camera, I think the Umpire should be looking at a replay.🙈
the umpire had a good view
Having been the Blue .... Safe
Tagged on the arm before he touched the plate is what i saw.
Looked safe
Looks like he got under the tag
He was safe
Safe
Big deal the ump missed the call.
And take off your mask
Time to stop living your dreams through your kid....
Out
Out.
OUT
Out