Why even have a tournament with spawning smallmouth? If it's gonna be this big of a pain then nix it. Simple as. You can still have northern smallmouth tournaments but just avoid the spawn. I wish like hell there was a rule against sight fishing bedding fish anyway. Also, if cheating is proven and found to be malicious or intentionally deceptive, then ban the angler. Instant boost to the organization's credibility.
We would see a lot less cheaters if they started getting banned from the league. Maybe one day they’ll start doing that so this type of thing won’t happen every year.
@@Michaelnation22 ya don’t forget the tournament this year where duckett docked himself a whopping 10min fishing time for being on the water fishing before official practice started.
Why don't they just require the angler to take a picture of each fish on a measuring board ? The judges could easily look at the pic. of each fish and tell if its the same fish. Hell I just do local kayak tournaments and thats what we do.
Kinda seems to me like they aren’t really too concerned with enforcing the rule anyway. They had guys breaking it on live TV and didn’t do anything to them.
I agree about the embarrassing things but livescope is a tool and isn't ruining fishing, majority of people who think this either don't have it, can't afford it, or too stupid to use it, and over 45
@Mjones8383 Everyone for it says it's a tool. Stop copyrighting and use your own words. That came from MLF Bassmasters, guys. If it's a tool, use it to catch 2lb and up for events. Not 1 lbs like MLF. Which is a joke. Especially the team format. These green and brown creatures got humans losing their mind.
@MJones Your integrity level and preservation of the spirit of competition is a 2 out of 10. I would wager you couldn't catch a cold without electronics. Stay classy, Scoper.
I don’t follow Bass pro tour because 99% of them think their shit don’t stink. The tour is not fan friendly. I marshaled at a Elite tournament and I rode with 3 different anglers and I asked them about their view between the Bass pro tour and the Elite tour and all 3 of them said all the ass holes left and went to the BPT.
@@haydennewberryfishingbilge pod cast KVD admitted that he knows specifically what BASS anglers are also guilty of cheating. Didnt mention names, but said basically by comparison of the leagues… BASS has been far worse over several decades. He even admitted it cost him a few championships. SooOo… to suggest one league is worse than the other is naivety.
Catchin' spawning fish...Oh! What great fishing skill that takes! You guys should be ashamed of yourselves... doesn't take a "professional" angler to catch fish on beds. People bark about "Live scopers", what's the real difference to "sight" fishing on beds?
Catching smallmouth off a bed doesn’t take hardly any skill I can agree with that. I don’t think tournaments should be held on northern lakes during the spawn. Livescope and finding and catching largemouth on a bed is a different story.
So let's be totally honest about the entire "sport" of tournament angling and call a spade a spade regardless of who our favorite anglers are, or what fantasies we have of fishing for a living are. Tournament angling is not a sport, it's GAMBLING, with many, many uncontrollable factors that obscure rewarding who the actual "best performing" angler are in favor of who got lucky or who controlled a variable illegally. If you go play basketball against Michael Jordan 10 times you will be beat 10 times, if you play golf against Tiger Woods ten times you will be beat 10 times, but if you go fish against Jacob Wheeler 10 times (and you are a serious bass angler) you are likely to beat him a couple of times due to the LUCK factor. IF you illegally control a variable that Wheeler doesn't you are liable to beat him more often. Again let's be frank, during the inception of the BPT, 100% of the anglers DID NOT go through any qualification process to become eligible to participate in this "major league" of fishing. And a good percentage of the Elite field that same year DID NOT qualify through the stated BASS qualification procedures, but were invited up from the FLW circuit based on name recognition. And for that matter when the FLW began, "name" anglers from BASS were given precedence over people that "should" have qualified through the Red Man circuit. So calling this a "professional sport" is a stretch. That being said, the fact that there is a rule regulating how many times you can catch a fish on a bed by means of "site fishing" in one day suggests there was an "intent" to protect vulnerable fish that are protecting a nest from being caught and counted repeatedly during the course of the same day. For that reason I feel it shows a lack of integrity to site fish a fish on a bed and then pull off and cast to the same fish, that you know is committed to protecting a bed in a particular area. BUT because of the poor way in which the MLF rule was written at the time of the Cayuga tournament, it was (it has been changed since then) legal to do just that at the time (whether we like it or not)! And according to the anglers that intentionally caught the same fish repeatedly in one day, it was discussed and questioned more than once during the season prior to the Cayuga event. That's clearly the fault of MLF (and I'm not an MLF hater). I am a fan of the CATCH, WEIGH, AND RELEASE format (because it kills less mature fish than does traditional weigh ins), but that format opens up the possibility of catching the same fish repeatedly and having it count repeatedly. Catching a spawning fish and intentionally not allowing your boat official to see that it is caught inside the mouth is clearly cheating, but that's a totally different issue all together and doesn't not relate to the guys that were pulling off and catching bedding fish they already caught. MFL now has a rule that if you catch a bed fish and swing the fish and it becomes unhooked in the air the fish does not count because the official can't confirm the fish was hooked in the mouth. Anglers illegally soliciting information is also another totally different rule infraction and something that plaques both BASS and MLF. There are several rumors of MLF anglers receiving illegal information and flunking polygraph tests, that have just been fined rather than DQ'ed. Polygraph tests are inadmissible in court because there is a large enough percentage of people that can lie and pass them. Personally I get the intention of no information rules, but feel they are impossible to police and they should be abolished. Name fishermen, or people with a lot of money can certainly get an advantage over non-name fishermen or people with big wallets but this is just another uncontrollable factor that makes professional tournament angling something other than a true professional sport in which the highest performer wins. I'm old and have been following professional bass fishing since the '70's and have seen many different fishing public scandals where fans have demanded transparency from the organizations but lets be honest about that too. Again, tournament fishing is the gambling of participants' entry fees, while an organization taking a cut for providing a stage. If an angler(s) gets caught cheating, and it goes to court, and it is revealed that the defendant(s) have cheated in tournaments prior to getting caught, the organization conducting the tournaments then becomes liable to tournament participants that have participated in tournaments where cheating has occurred. For that reason alone you will never get transparency and it's silly to demand it. Lawyers representing defendants fully understand that leverage and use it to discourage law suits. I fish tournaments and enjoy them but I fully understand the "enter at your own risk" factor.
Why even have a tournament with spawning smallmouth? If it's gonna be this big of a pain then nix it. Simple as. You can still have northern smallmouth tournaments but just avoid the spawn. I wish like hell there was a rule against sight fishing bedding fish anyway. Also, if cheating is proven and found to be malicious or intentionally deceptive, then ban the angler. Instant boost to the organization's credibility.
We would see a lot less cheaters if they started getting banned from the league. Maybe one day they’ll start doing that so this type of thing won’t happen every year.
Some guys were catching the same fish twice fro what I have heard. Thanks for sharing.
@@billyhaney5002 Ya it definitely sounded like that was going on. Thanks for watching
They won’t ban the angler, because then they would look like a regular bass organization instead of the good ol boy organization .
@@Michaelnation22 ya don’t forget the tournament this year where duckett docked himself a whopping 10min fishing time for being on the water fishing before official practice started.
I thought this was MILF cheating, I watched it anyways.
MLF did not use GPS DATA. MLF fired the Polygraph testers.
They used the GPS data and live footage to select who to polygraph.
You nailed it! Great opinion.
Thanks!
Just like everything I enjoy...Money has ruined everything.
Very true
Why don't they just require the angler to take a picture of each fish on a measuring board ? The judges could easily look at the pic. of each fish and tell if its the same fish. Hell I just do local kayak tournaments and thats what we do.
Kinda seems to me like they aren’t really too concerned with enforcing the rule anyway. They had guys breaking it on live TV and didn’t do anything to them.
Lie detectors are fooled all the time!!
That’s also a reason to question the investigation.
@@haydennewberryfishing 100% agree it's not fair to everyone.
It was pretty clear, the video does not lie !!!!!!!!!! Alot of these guys cheat, it happens on all the circuits.
So the fish in question with Spencer was or wasn't a sight fish? I heard it wasn't
It was a sight fish. That’s what got him DQ’d.
Bass fisherman and tournament, especially the bigger ventures, are an Embrassment. Livescope and the young guys has destroyed this event.
I agree about the embarrassing things but livescope is a tool and isn't ruining fishing, majority of people who think this either don't have it, can't afford it, or too stupid to use it, and over 45
@Mjones8383 Everyone for it says it's a tool. Stop copyrighting and use your own words. That came from MLF Bassmasters, guys. If it's a tool, use it to catch 2lb and up for events. Not 1 lbs like MLF. Which is a joke. Especially the team format. These green and brown creatures got humans losing their mind.
@MJones Your integrity level and preservation of the spirit of competition is a 2 out of 10. I would wager you couldn't catch a cold without electronics. Stay classy, Scoper.
Dude. you are saying the same thing everyone else is saying. It's just a tool. Come up with something of your own.
I don’t follow Bass pro tour because 99% of them think their shit don’t stink. The tour is not fan friendly. I marshaled at a Elite tournament and I rode with 3 different anglers and I asked them about their view between the Bass pro tour and the Elite tour and all 3 of them said all the ass holes left and went to the BPT.
Ya it’s really looking that way. It seems like there’s just more and more shady stuff going on over there.
@@haydennewberryfishingbilge pod cast KVD admitted that he knows specifically what BASS anglers are also guilty of cheating. Didnt mention names, but said basically by comparison of the leagues… BASS has been far worse over several decades. He even admitted it cost him a few championships.
SooOo… to suggest one league is worse than the other is naivety.
Tournaments are lame
Catchin' spawning fish...Oh! What great fishing skill that takes! You guys should be ashamed of yourselves... doesn't take a "professional" angler to catch fish on beds. People bark about "Live scopers", what's the real difference to "sight" fishing on beds?
Catching smallmouth off a bed doesn’t take hardly any skill I can agree with that. I don’t think tournaments should be held on northern lakes during the spawn. Livescope and finding and catching largemouth on a bed is a different story.
Ya missed my point...it's called ethics not technique. God bless.
@@haydennewberryfishing it’s my home lake. Full on agree with this. This tourney was a joke.
So let's be totally honest about the entire "sport" of tournament angling and call a spade a spade regardless of who our favorite anglers are, or what fantasies we have of fishing for a living are. Tournament angling is not a sport, it's GAMBLING, with many, many uncontrollable factors that obscure rewarding who the actual "best performing" angler are in favor of who got lucky or who controlled a variable illegally. If you go play basketball against Michael Jordan 10 times you will be beat 10 times, if you play golf against Tiger Woods ten times you will be beat 10 times, but if you go fish against Jacob Wheeler 10 times (and you are a serious bass angler) you are likely to beat him a couple of times due to the LUCK factor. IF you illegally control a variable that Wheeler doesn't you are liable to beat him more often. Again let's be frank, during the inception of the BPT, 100% of the anglers DID NOT go through any qualification process to become eligible to participate in this "major league" of fishing. And a good percentage of the Elite field that same year DID NOT qualify through the stated BASS qualification procedures, but were invited up from the FLW circuit based on name recognition. And for that matter when the FLW began, "name" anglers from BASS were given precedence over people that "should" have qualified through the Red Man circuit. So calling this a "professional sport" is a stretch.
That being said, the fact that there is a rule regulating how many times you can catch a fish on a bed by means of "site fishing" in one day suggests there was an "intent" to protect vulnerable fish that are protecting a nest from being caught and counted repeatedly during the course of the same day. For that reason I feel it shows a lack of integrity to site fish a fish on a bed and then pull off and cast to the same fish, that you know is committed to protecting a bed in a particular area. BUT because of the poor way in which the MLF rule was written at the time of the Cayuga tournament, it was (it has been changed since then) legal to do just that at the time (whether we like it or not)! And according to the anglers that intentionally caught the same fish repeatedly in one day, it was discussed and questioned more than once during the season prior to the Cayuga event. That's clearly the fault of MLF (and I'm not an MLF hater). I am a fan of the CATCH, WEIGH, AND RELEASE format (because it kills less mature fish than does traditional weigh ins), but that format opens up the possibility of catching the same fish repeatedly and having it count repeatedly.
Catching a spawning fish and intentionally not allowing your boat official to see that it is caught inside the mouth is clearly cheating, but that's a totally different issue all together and doesn't not relate to the guys that were pulling off and catching bedding fish they already caught. MFL now has a rule that if you catch a bed fish and swing the fish and it becomes unhooked in the air the fish does not count because the official can't confirm the fish was hooked in the mouth.
Anglers illegally soliciting information is also another totally different rule infraction and something that plaques both BASS and MLF. There are several rumors of MLF anglers receiving illegal information and flunking polygraph tests, that have just been fined rather than DQ'ed. Polygraph tests are inadmissible in court because there is a large enough percentage of people that can lie and pass them. Personally I get the intention of no information rules, but feel they are impossible to police and they should be abolished. Name fishermen, or people with a lot of money can certainly get an advantage over non-name fishermen or people with big wallets but this is just another uncontrollable factor that makes professional tournament angling something other than a true professional sport in which the highest performer wins.
I'm old and have been following professional bass fishing since the '70's and have seen many different fishing public scandals where fans have demanded transparency from the organizations but lets be honest about that too. Again, tournament fishing is the gambling of participants' entry fees, while an organization taking a cut for providing a stage. If an angler(s) gets caught cheating, and it goes to court, and it is revealed that the defendant(s) have cheated in tournaments prior to getting caught, the organization conducting the tournaments then becomes liable to tournament participants that have participated in tournaments where cheating has occurred. For that reason alone you will never get transparency and it's silly to demand it. Lawyers representing defendants fully understand that leverage and use it to discourage law suits. I fish tournaments and enjoy them but I fully understand the "enter at your own risk" factor.
Blah blah blah, long winded stupidity