Succession HBO: Roy Family - Logan Dinner Singing scene, S4E10
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They were always just the 'kids outside his office playing."
Yesss and they thought by earning his position they'd earn his love
Well said. They were never invited to the adult table.
No, they played that game with him before. Shiv can even guess what he's gonna say.
We never see each of them (besides Connor) really working at their office. Mostly, they like to walk around, on the meeting, critizise people, and them making chaos. While we see Tom and Greg are mostly on their office tables, working, looking at their computer, typing, checking on the data or whatsoever.
This is when they realized they were outsiders...
I keep thinking, if we have succession but in the eyes of Gerri, Frank and Karl, how much would we hate the siblings, except for Connor.
@@leandromadeireira8840Gerri,Frank and Karl were working in the company since the kids were kids, at least since the 90s Karl repeatedly says
They meritocratically speaking deserved it more than the kids
That is why Tom is perfect for the CEO,a trucker liver out of the mud who by himself reached the top society where he meets Shiv, without having anything at the beginning unlike his wife and brothers
@@iloveads123 yeah true, something that this series had taught me is that, this rich people are not different, or intellectual people, that they want us to believe, shure some may actually have earned they keep, but a lot are just sons of dads and mother's, that the only reason they know so much about finances and etc..., is because they could buy the education for it. This series explained to me why we sometimes saw some ceos doing stupid stuff like in Unity for example, before i though it must have a more complicated reason they don't won't show the public, but now, i know, they just made a stupid mistake.
I wouldn't say Tom is perfect, but definitely a better choice than the kids, he doesn't have this ego and will of controlling the company like the others, he will obey the shareholders, and he is actually competent, unlike Romam who fired Gerri, one of the best and most competent works, because of feelings, and Kendall thinking this was a good idea.
Logan was being so disrespectful by interrupting a Celtic song being sung during late night/early drinks
When you think about it, his kids could be the reincarnations of the old guards.
Kendall as Frank, Roman as Karl and Shiv as Gerri.
But, sadly, none of them fit the criteria of the old guards and all of them are always disrespecting them.
Roman always rude to Frank despite Frank is his mentor to be COO and also sexually assaulted Gerri, Shiv is always rude to Gerri despite Gerri is her Godmother, Pretty much all of them always being rude to Karl. But, Kendall is mostly respecting Frank despite all of his flaws.
Shows a side of Logan that his kids could never see. Logan surrounded by a group of “serious people” (and Conner)
Conheads arent gonna like this comment.
@@JoelTrujilloThe thing about Connor is he knew he wasn't "serious" and never jockeyed for position. That's part of why he didn't have any big conflict with his dad until he tried a serious presidential campaign.
I mean Shiv makes it seem like he's done that with them before, saying "I'm surprised he still remembers it".
@@ryanneale6501 that implies that she herself hasnt seen him sing it in a long time. She may have not been privy to many of the times where Logan loosened up like in this scene.
So, Kerri is serious too?
This scene was actually insanely good. I don't think we've ever seen Logan acting anything like that in this show before. It puts so much in a new perspective
It’s because we always saw him from their perspective and not from an objective viewpoint
Logan wasn’t a monster like we all used to think…he was just….a person
He was indeed a monster. This is a man who did an incredible amount of abuse and crimes without facing the consequences. Let's not pretend he was normal or grey because he had a scene in which he sang. @@soroushm2498
Also, Logan is always refused to tell his personal life to his kids because he's ashamed of it until Ewan spoke the facts on his funeral. Logan has too much dignity and pride, he's so out of touch for reality. He's even abandoning his kids to his company because his real kid is the company, his real baby.
Connor and Logan getting along and Logan being able to take a joke shows such a different side to him
Too be fair, whenever we see Logan and Connor are talking, we see the bond between Father and Son and they talk casually like son and father. Meanwhile, Logan treats his other kids mostly like his co-workers and the kids are trying to be polite but they act like smartass most of the time especially how Kendall can be aggresive and cocky, Roman talks dirty and Shiv mostly talks whatever she wants and being too direct. Meanwhile, look at Connor talks to him, he mostly being casual, chill, relax and even calling him "Pa" or "Pop" and Logan mostly way relax with Connor rather than his other kids.
Conor and Logan always talks like Father-Son scenario.
Ironic that the apparent "cast-out" of the family, Connor, is the only one of the four siblings to have experienced a side of Logan that the other three have been coveting their whole lives. Honestly, good for him
Ellos lo llamaban así yo creo que envidiaban en el fondo la conexión padre e hijo que ellos jamás experimentaron ni con su mamá también la ignoraban se creían más inteligentes que todos
Whenever we see Connor and Logan are interracting, it's watching casual Son and Father interracting. Connor also treats him with respect and even calling him "Pa" or "Pop". Deep down, Connor still hurts for Logan's neglicence and also for putting his mom on asylum and also makes him being alone since he was a kid. But, Connor learns how to survive with no love for years. Even he said that if Willa doesn't truly love him and just leave him whenever she wants, he's ready. It's also surprising how Connor doesn't go to dark path like being a criminal or even being a drug addict like Kendall with that kind of life.
As much as Logan treated his business inner circle like crap, he also respected them. They had earned their place, in a way that the kids never could.
Si me di cuenta cuando Gerry le grita con lo del FBI el solo aceptó lo que dijo no le gritó devuelta jamás y se molestó con Román por mandarle sus cosas a gerry
He was disrespectful to interrupt the Scottish song as it was being sung during drinks, but I suppose it’s a cultural difference in the states that you can do that
This may be my favorite scene of the last season. Here is Logan's humanity distilled. He's appreciating a simple folk song, a song of the common people, that could not be farther from his monstrous legacy, entirely back to his boyhood roots. There is nothing in the tape to suggest any typical Succession dynamics. There is no power play, no motive, no angle. Kerry rests her head on his shoulder. He is in the moment, present, appreciative as he can be.
I think the siblings weep not just for their father but for themselves -- in their eyes I sense a hollowness... when was the last time any of them appreciated a song, or sang just to sing, or engaged with anything creative or nurturing or supportive of others? As much of a monster Logan was he was also deeply human, but in the end could not pass on the humane aspects to his children -- maybe Connor, but all the Roys grew up blinded and ultimately crippled with gilded promises.
Great insight and analysis
Also, you notice every time Logan and Connor are interracting, you see a casual Father and Son bonding?
Logan mostly always smiling and relaxing whenever he talks with Connor and Connor even call him "Pa" or "Pop". Connor deep down still resents him for neglecting him but he has growing up with no love for years, he's very used to it. He's even said if Willa leaves him for real, he's ready.
Meanwhile, for the rest of Logan's kids, all they want to get is his approval. They become aggresive if he doesn't do what they want and throw him under the bus. They all are still children inside adult's body. They are all the kids who's playing outside their dad's office. They also don't like rejection, instead of taking it like real adults, they rebel against him. Connor is the only one who takes rejection kindly but he's never giving up and keep going like how his weird campaign for being the president fail, he later wants to expanse his business on Slovenia.
"For Kendall, Roman, and Shiv, it must feel like a slap in the face. Who is this man? Why did they never see him? What kind of relationship, really, could they be said to have with their father?"
fuck thats so sad. They dont ever act like that when the kids are around
In the end the kids are just the kids who are playing outside of their dad's office and also playing toy soldiers. They treat the company as their playground until adulthood.
The siblings “where was that kind man 30 years ago?”
The song that Karl sings is a Robert burns song, who is perhaps scotlands most famous poet. In essence the song is about living simply and taking pleasure in things while you can. Interesting to watch Logan’s reaction to this song-so much to unpack
This scene is devastating for the kids, they were never part of Logan's world.
Except for Connor because Connor has survived of Logan's neglect for a long time and he's not as depressed as the other 3.
Man, this was so powerful. The entire show you're told that Connor was the forsaken child. Then here, at the very end, you see that Connor and the Waystar vets were closer to Logan than Ken, Roman, and Shiv could ever hope to be
Roman getting off on Gerry’s limerick 😂
This scene was everything. I was laughing, I was crying, I was blown away. This is probably my favorite scene from the finale
The internet has not yet provided me with a stand alone video of Connor's Logan Roy teapot impression, and I'm struggling to understand why.
here u go yo! czcams.com/users/shortsb8ziqA_SjIQ
i loved this scene so much, they were all crying out of joy to see their father experience happiness but crying out of sadness because they never experienced that themselves as children
Or as adults, they were the real outcasts
His first born was his favourite.
"He kept us outside, but he kept everyone outside. When he let you in - when the sun shone - it was warm. Yeah, it was warm in the light."
This was doubly painful - they'd had glimpses of this from Logan, but only glimpses. A window, a keyhole, a screen - they were always looking in from the outside.
Logan didn't know how to be a father, he only knew how to be a boss.
Connor really won. He's the only one who has a happy memory with their dad and parted on good terms, despite always being the 'outsider' in the 4 sibling group.
So in the end, Connor was Logan's favourite son while the other three children always tried to betray Logan.
Wouldn’t say Connor was his favorite but it was the one he’d want to spend time with. A lot of that had to do with is cause he never tried to betray him or make him look like an idiot on purpose
@@bellabell6659 Connor never tried to pull Logan's rug, so that explains why Logan would rather spend time with Connor rather than with the other three. Probably to make up for the fact that he had Connor's mother institutionalized and was mostly an absent father throughout Connor's childhood. That's why only Connor knew that Logan had purchased the mausoleum while the other three had no clue about it.
Connor was never a threat to him and he's gone enough for him to tolerate.
I think he understood Connor the most because he was the simplest. Connor cared mostly about money and not being involved in the power plays. Logan could talk to him about buying a mausoleum or whatever and not have to worry about Connor using that information against him somehow.
The other three wanted power, status, and acceptance from him. None of which he would give willingly. If he told them things he told Connor he’d have to watch his back.
Also, whenever we see Connor and Logan, we see a son and father interract and Logan realized how ignorant he was to Connor so they tried to bond more on adulthood. Meanwhile, most of the time, we see Logan and the other three is talking about work, power and authority but with Connor is like a natural bond. Also, Connor keep calling him "Pa" while the other just "Dad" as the term of endearment. You can see Logan most of the time is happy and relax with Connor.
Connor has survived alone with no one on his side even his relationship with Willa is platonic. But, in the end of the day, they support each other. Willa could leave him when he's down and she maybe stays for his money but she understands Connor and his wellbeing.
It’s hilarious that Logan, who lived and died a Catholic, still calls Al Smith “of the Vatican”
What does that mean ? I am Catholic but didn't get it
@@marykay7878 Back before Kennedy proved that Catholics could win national office a common attack leveled at Catholics running for national office was that they would be loyal to the Pope above America, so it’s funny to hear the Catholic Logan Roy saying basically the same thing about Al Smith, who was the first Catholic to win a major party’s presidential nomination
@marykay7878 He was a catholic candidate for President in the 20s and lost because of bigotry
It breaks my heart to see Roman's soul die when he Gerry does her bit.
I feel your pain
1:57 noone want to talk about who that is in the background? I swear thats him LOL
I mean probably not. But that's such a cool, creepy theory
Either Logan suddenly grew luscious blonde locks or it’s Willa
In the final office scene, when Kendall, Shiv and Roman were screaming at each other, it also looks like Logan casually strolls by in the hallway 😂.
@@racatkns9977 Willa's standing behind Connor in the dining room. But it looks like someone standing further back in the doorway.
@@klina7645isn't it greg? He was there too I believe
Kind of runs counter to Connor's line after learning his father passed away. Unless Connor just said what he thought his siblings wanted to hear. Or because he was insensed about Logan missing his wedding...
He wanted to make him proud, and I believe he believes he did not.
I think he was ok spending time with Connor, but you don't have to like someone to spend time with them, only tolerate them. Logan didn't respect him, or thought highly of him, he simply tolerated his presence because Connor wasn't trying to prove himself worthy of him.
@@vicvega5971 fair point but he really exposed himself at those dinners. It seemed to be for some inner sanctum
All the kids deserved their Emmys
Logan had vast wealth, but moments like these were his real treasure.
In the end, maybe their memories together were the greatest gift Logan's company ever gave them.
i truly do believe that Logan (as much as is possible for him) was acting out of the best interest in selling the company and ending "the game" so he could reset the family dynamic before his death
I think that’s definitely part of it. Him hoping the end of the family owning waystar would allow the siblings to find their own paths which would be more suitable for them and make them happier. However it’s also about Logan’s need to dominate and fucking win! So I like to think it’s a bit of both as this scene showed there was humanity there.
That's why I think Connor is the smartest sibling
Roman’s face at 2:49 is absolutely devastating
Yeah, cried pretty hard watching this scene today during yet another series rewatch. Just like it hurts for the kids to never get these rare moments with their father again (they did exist, such as in the Thanksgiving episode), it hurts me that this show has come to an end and that these characters' stories are finished. I truly never wanted it to end, even though it was absolutely the right decision...
The kids probably only saw this side of Logan a few times in their lives, and have been chasing it ever since. By being in the business, they only deprived themselves of what little genuine warmth he had to give. This show about narcissists eating themselves and each other is the saddest and most human work of art in the history of television.
I wonder if Kendall reaching out and holding Shiv's arm was in the script or spontaneous.
Why did Conor say he doesn’t know how long ago this was when he’s in the video 😂😂
Oh the conheads are not going to like this question
He said he doesnt know how many weeks ago. Which means it was recent-ish but he can't remember exactly.
@@Arwenpiiwhich kinda implies that stuff like this happened more often
@@hiduck8247 Or that his father's death, the campaign and everything else kinda messed with his time perception.. but yeah, maybe that stuff happened more often than we could think
There's a sadness to the way he sings that last line: "The finest hours, that ere I spent, were spent among the lassies, oh."
I think he's remembering a very dark moment. Remember the Wolf Pack?
Sad.
They all realised Logan was capable of humanity.
But he forsook it in favour of nothing.
So how I see it...... Frank, Gerri, and Karl were a reflection of ken, shiv, and rome if the children had just cooperated about whos in charge. Connor was always respected by logan because he never threw him under the bus and maybe that's why he's at the gathering (who knows how many there were like these ones), the kids were never present besides Connor which we all know why..... I think logan saw Frank, Gerri, and Karl more as his children fit for business than his other 3 brats.
If any one scene from the entire series can be said to capture the genius of Jesse Armstrong, this is it. It is a wrenching scene: the kids suddenly get a glimpse, but only through time and on video, of the tender side of this hard-nosed Scotsman. The filming, the acting and direction are flawless. The choice of song is the absolute cherry on the cake. Robert Burns preceded the emergence of Scottish industrialists but he would known the type. He was politically radical, a socialist, and a supporter of American independence. As a poet he knew men without women are hollow things and we got to see Logan's "lasses," gathered together by Caroline at his funeral. I've never cared so much for characters I didn't like. Succession set the bar impossibly high.
Such a beautiful scene