Should We Fear Death?
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How do you think about death? Are you afraid?
I'm not afraid of being dead, but I am afraid of dying
Not afraid of being dead, just the potential of a not-so-wonderful dying process like my mother and father endured.
I am afraid of losing the life I have now.
The outrageous ego of the kinds of people who want to live forever makes me hope for a totally oblivious afterlife.
Also, I have no more fear of the year 2100 than I do of 1900.
With the AI revolution, I reckon a sort of digital immortality isn’t too far off
Im not afraid to die because its quite peaceful. But I do want to live because as Hank Green put it, "Things are interesting, and I want to see them."
"It's quite peaceful". Doesn't that rather depend on the means and method of death? Burning alive in a plane crash or having cancer for two years probably isn't that peaceful.
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 I mean, it would arguably be so much worse if we didn't die as a result of such gruesome processes, but just kept experiencing it. -Like suffer eternally in the hell-
But I also wouldn't call death "peaceful" in these instances. More like "liberating".
@@Darth_Niki4so much cope in this comment secrion
BUT, You confuse the two. At Death None of any of this will matter any longer.
In 100 years no one alive will have known you, Ponder that.@@MarlboroughBlenheim1
I'd love to see what happens in the next 50 years but I'm terrified of what life I'll be living if I'm still around. Hell, I'm 52 and feel incredibly old, which is very weird, I've always been healthy and vital but now the aches, pains, mental instability is getting to me, so I'm pretty sure I'll be ok with dying, as long as it's peaceful, didn't disturb anybody, and preferably in a comfortable drugged up state.
The main reason you don’t fear death is that you are young…I am 72 and perspective is everything. I am not afraid of being dead, but getting to death without mind-breaking agony is pretty scary. I don’t want to miss what’s coming next and that’s the pain that surrounds death for me.
Yeah
I acquired chronic pain last year and feel like my dying process started at 32
I'm old too. Fearing death is irrational, because, as you say, you are dead. Not being born and being dead are the same thing. They are only separated by chronology.
Nobody looks forward to the actual dying. So while I wouldn't mind dying, I want it to be sudden and swift.
😂@@AJMurgo-ce1cp
@@quralwilliams9716Take your meds. 🤣🤣🤣
My brother is in his mid 30s with no particular health concerns and he's had actual panic attacks if he dwells on the possibility of death for too long. I think it's a very personal thing, how one feels about it.
You should be, because you're going to reincarnate as a giant space slug in a galaxy 5 billion light years away.
True
Giant space slugs can have sex with themselves.
Rubbish😂
You're a slug right now
kydiydyidiyd
I’m not afraid of dying but the manner of death is what concerns me.
Life - a temporary solution for a permanent problem…
Dying can be very messy, painful, and take a long time. That's what scares the proverbial crap out of me.
The hours prior to a dentist appointment are painfully terrifying, but then the pain of the injection is a mere seconds, and as soon as it happens u r like oh well it wasnt so bad, and now its already in the past. Think about being tortured on short notice vs being notified a year earlier, its the wait and the imagination that does the most damage
@@lillotusplayssort of, some people can look past it until it comes which then if you feel pain since 1/10000 people don't then your screwed for however long it feels and what is time lol like how long is time? A universal constant of time has got to exist
The manner doesn't bother me so much as how my dependents will cope once I'm gone. Even with life insurance kids still need role models especially when they are young.
I think it is quite selfish to say that one does not care what happens after death. I do not fear death, but I do fear possibly painful and debilitating ways of dying. Even more so, I fear that, if I retained my consciousness and wits in the build up to my death, my departure might leave loved ones imperiled or dishonoured, and my name ruined. In other words: if my death happened while my conscience was unsettled and my existential purposes unfulfilled, I would be plagued by doubts and fear. The idea that my life has helped to grow other lives and shall live on in others' memories long after my death is something that helps me overcome these fears. The idea of an afterlife just seems like a desperate substitute for this.
"Take me out to dinner first" 😂
Ngl, that aside caught me off guard 😂
@@katinapac-baez5083 Same. I was just so confused by what happened lol. Also feel like lowkey the other dude means what he was saying
I'm 60; I LOVE life; and I'm not afraid of death. I am afraid of elder abuse if I become vulnerable, and shitty treatment in the medical/elder care system, because I'm in the USA.
Yeah it's kinda like I think I'd rather die than have someone wipe my butt
I suggest you consider voting Biden in November, sir.
I share your concern.
@@talastra
Pickthall: He whom we bring unto old age, We reverse him in creation (making him go back to weakness after strength). Have ye then no sense?
Chapter (36) sūrat yā sīn
The K-O-R-A-N
“I’m not afraid of death. I just don’t want to be there when it happens.” Woody Allen.
😂🤣😂
The Big Sleep is i think one of the best film titles ever. Says so much in two words. We go to sleep every night and we don't give it a second thought.
I don't give it a second thought when I go to sleep at night because I expect that I will wake up again in the morning
@@KreeZafi Which to be fair, is not as valid of an expectation as you might think. You could have a heart attack or some other health problem strike at any moment in the night (Hopefully you don't lose your sleep over this D:)
Except for those plagued by nightmares. Those people give it a second thought, I assure you.
@@CaptainTitforce Indeed that is a very real possibility, however while that possibility exists it is most likely that I will wake up, as I have done every day my whole life. Going to sleep isn't really analogous to dying because dying is final, is my point. The reason dying is scary (to me personally) is because it's the absolute end of all experience I will ever have. Going to sleep is more akin to pressing the pause button for a while.
I have always struggled with sleep, and that's partly because it's like death.
I am absolutely terrified at the idea of potentially never getting to experience being alive again. When my grandad was in the process of dying he would often cry and tell us he didn't want to die; it was heart-breaking to see him battle with the realization that it was all coming to an end.
@@11235but You just cannot expect everybody to be ok with the finality of dying.
@@11235but I accept that I'll die one day, but that doesn't make me any less terrified of dying.
@@11235but Good response and a comforting one. I’ve also really grappled with death and I still do.
I think (stupidly) the hardest parts for me about the idea of working through it with someone is (a) how silly and “I-want-to-have-a-problem” does a fear of death sound to someone that hasn’t experienced the same fear? It’s just not something easily explained. I also don’t fully understand how they could “help” per se if they haven’t had the same journey themselves.
(b) There is also the issue of trying to discuss it with anyone who isn’t explicitly atheist. Because if they believe that a god is waiting for them on the other side, I just don’t understand how a truly helpful conversation could be possible. And who am I to ask a therapist’s religion? It’s just all so messy.
@@specificpigeon3945 research has been done into this. Parts of psychology literature deals with mortality salience and terror management theory.
Modern people need to talk about this more. Don’t ever feel silly doing so as I’d hazard a guess more people experience it than you might think.
It's fine. Death is like before birth. You think right now you didn't exist before birth; yet in an infinite timeline of reality you spawned as a conscious being into existence. Wether that happened in the past infinity X amount of times already is unknown; but most likely this is not the first time because if our consciousness exists, it's because it's a part of the fabric of the universe much like every other process. You'll exist again. When and how? Uncertain.
I started meditating in 2020. Since then, every year has felt like 10 years, which is how it was when I was a kid. Through meditation I have discovered that the mind is literally made out of time, or past and future. It is possible to reach the timeless present, and I think the closer you get to that, the slower time seems to go. I could be wrong, but this is what my experience seems to be telling me.
im struggling to build a habit, i managed to go an entire month of meditating yet even on the 31st day it was telling myself to get it done. do you have any advice perhaps to cement it as a habit? id appreciate anything else or tips for any other aspects of meditation too!
I've been meditating since 2020 and experienced/realized the same thing
how exactly do you meditate, if you don't mind me asking? Cause there seem to be many different ways people approach this
"Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight,
O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer."
I one time had deja vu that was so profound I was actually able to predict what would happen throughout the span of about two minutes into the future. It wasn’t just a vague vision either, it was exactly pinpoint accurate to how things would play out. I’ve never had a supernatural experience that I wasn’t later able to reasonably explain or at least make a reasonable assumption about. This is the only thing. And no matter how insignificant it may seem it is the one thing that proves to me there’s something mysterious about consciousness that we as secularists have yet to see.
The feeling that time goes by faster when you are older in my opinion is due to the fact that people get complacent when they grow old. I am 58 and the last 15 years there was a lot more happening in my life than in the 15 years before. Therefore the last 15 years appear much longer to me. So the key to actually experience a longer time is to not get complacent.
True. The less you do also speeds time. For instance, if you were to just sit on a beach, sleep 10 hour days and hardly do anything . Time goes by so fast. If you have a crap job, 1 day seems eternity
mmmm im not sure because when I have less going on in my life, time seems slower, but when a big event happens or I am constantly busy with social events and work, time seemingly flies by. I think its definitely having to do with the brain's ability to perceive time as we age
Thats really good to know as somebody who wasted their twenties.
There is also a hypothesis that this is because when you are young..say 15, have maybe 70 more years ahead of you...almost 5 times as much as you have lived. Now that you are almost 60, you have maybe 20 years ahead...a third of what you have lived.
You are clearly an idiot. Your perception changes depending how much time you have experienced. because of the bigger frame you subconsciously put it in.
Death is something i fear primarily due to how hard it is to comprehend in my mind. The concept of not existing feels wrong on some level, even if I'm thinking about time before i was born.
It feels weird even thinking back to before my first memories, when i was roughly 3.
The real question to ask yourself is: What happened _after_ the last time I didn't exist?
@@naturalisted1714 There was no "last time" before I existed( your wording also makes it sound like not existing is like a weird limbo state). I simply started to exist once I was born, and the destruction of the brain will ultimately result in a cessation of experience. Think about the billions of years ( if not negative infinite time) before you existed. The same will occur after death, especially given the inevitable heat death or even before that when the universe is no longer conducive to the emergence of life.
How is it difficult to comprehend not existing? It's really just the ego preventing you from accepting life's transience. Think about being put under general anesthesia as an analogy. You don't possess active awareness to be harmed nor experience the lack of conscienceless, except you don't wake up.
@jackkrell4238 dude just enjoy life and don't let the internet steal it and u win nowadays
You can't die so long as a consciousness exists in the universe, probably 😮
I love this moral quandry because it's both intelluctually sound and very emotional.
Looking at the facts by themselves, I know that my grandfather is dead. I know that his place of origin (East Prussia) no longer exists because all of Prussia was dissolved as a consequence of the World Wars.
Yet when I remember him, his legacy survives. Both his best and worst personality traits, his accomplishments and failures as a refugee in the German state of Mecklenburg-Westpomerania, shaped my family and how my mother's side of it thinks and acts today. He is gone, but we are still here.
Places, especially our names and concepts of them, are as temporary as us.
Baltic Slavs became East Prussians, then Germans, now Russians?
@@jimb9063 I agree. It is just kicking the can down the road. Everything will fade, including names, memories, humanity, Earth, the Milky way, consciousness anywhere in the universe.
Each of us is a 4 dimensional shape, extending through time, one 3 dimensional snapshot after another (conceptually, if time is not quantized). A long worm with a human-shaped 3 dimensional cross-section.
While the worm of my life has a start and an end it still, in some sense, exists continuously, even though we can only experience one tiny slice at a time, and our consciousness can only move along its length in one direction.
Everything I have ever done still happened after it is past, and that is eternal, in a way.
The parts of my life I'm disappointed with, well the longest I'm going to experience them is a lifetime, and even then only one moment at a time, and that is comforting. My suffering is limited.
The parts of my life that bring me joy and satisfaction I choose to think of as timeless.
And our effect on others. There's that idea of a second death, when the last person to remember you dies. But again, my effect on the people around me is another 4 dimensional shape- a cloud, travelling in others' neurons, that is as eternal as the fact that I existed.
Had almost nothing to do with your title. You also sound like you do fear death. There are a lot of philosophers writings that you can read on the subject which provide relief of that fear, by the sounds of it you haven’t looked at any.
And what has it got to do with infinity and eternity?
Loved doing this, Alex is just wonderful.
Can't wait for both of you to have children together.
@Emmy29nd did you watch the video? 😂
@Emmy29nd if you watch the video you'll understand the context of my comment
Not afraid of it either although there are certain ways I would not want to die.
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it" Mark Twain. He was bob on! You know very little until you are really old, (I'm nearly there at the age of 87) and it is no use trying to explain this to younger people, they just will not get it, you have to be it!
Maybe it's time to find Allah
I've found that the Mark Twain quote is the best thing to say to folk who are worried about it.
Would you say that as well as accumulating more experience and knowledge as we age, do you think it's our wisdom that increases more? We get better at applying the knowledge we have. (Nearly 50, hoping I'm going to get wiser!)
@@h3w45 I cannot find the figment of a pedophiles imagination
@@h3w45 I don't need any sadistic imaginary friends from the middle east to feel better
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:47
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8~9
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10:28
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 5:24
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39
Most People: Wow, this conversation has been great! Time just flew by!
Alex: Right now, here in the moment, no, I feel like time is running at its normal pace.
I am 73. I have written a handful of novels. It's basically a hobby. My first two were pre-computer and written in notebooks. I have always gone at it very slowly because I have never had any illusion that I will be successful. Consequently, I write when I want to. I do not think that would be the case if I knew that thousands, and perhaps millions of people would be reading my stuff. I would be thinking of my legacy. Obviously, I would not, and could not care about a legacy after death. But when alive, my post-life legacy would actually matter. The curiosity is, I'm not sure why it should matter.
I'm not a fan of legacy. It's often a product of ego. Wanting to be remembered with a lasting impression. What matters is what you do for the world around you here and now. Affecting people's lives now is eternal. You have eternally made those people's lives more bearable and pleasant. Even if they were only here temporarily. Thinking about a lasting effect, it all fades. Eventually humanity will end. And you cannot know if your legacy will be helpful to future generations.
Now is what matters. Your impact on people now is eternal. You forever made their lives better; their transition smoother
@@phillystevesteak6982 Well, yes. But there is a reason why people, as well as institutions, will often display awards and trophies.
You’re a legend!
I've met clinical death twice and there was nothing, mate. I didn't even realize I was dead. While the dying part, at least while drowning was shite, the death part was a lotta nada. Good on you for having a brain!
Did you have any self awareness/ consciousness at all? My belief is that it could be like falling asleep? You're semi-conscious & aware as you drift off but once you're in deep sleep, you're unaware of time or that you even exist.
Drowning sounds brutal!
How did you feel when you came back?
I wouldn't call it clinical for me, but I was in a coma for 3 whole days and I agree. There was nothing. Like you said, obviously, I didn't even realize I was in a coma, so yeah, doesn't seem all that bad.
I was under general anaesthesia for 3 hours (aged 34), and (non) experienced exactly the same nothingness. Just like before I existed. It’s a great comfort to me and to know that my deceased loved ones are at that peace. It’s the decline and dying that is almost always horrible.
@@dmsnchagree general anesthesia really feels like dying for few hours. Its so blizzare how few hours suddenly doesnt exist and just blinked
Not sure what clinical death is supposed to be, but by definition death is final. It precisely means that you don't exist at the moment and won't exist in any future moment.
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying.
the thought of living forever is hell to me. Even living a million years would be torture.
@@forestsunset9617 Imagine having to work a job for a million years hahaha
@@diogenesbarrel7350 imagine taking a few million dumps in your life
@@forestsunset9617 I would bet "immortal" is not actually immortal, I think everyone would always include "oh if you want you can kill yourself"
It's not just how long you live, it's how well you love during the time you have.
If quality is shit, than the duration would only be a curse. On the other hand though... 🤗
I don't remember before I was born...I won't remember after I am dead.
Ah yes, the materialist mantra that everyone parrots to try to make themselves and everyone else feel better about the unknown 👍
@@BrotherTris you are so clever
Even If I am, it's all pointless and for nothing if you're right. Both the wise man and the fool will go to the grave, as naked as the day they were born.@@chamicels
@@BrotherTris my life isn’t pointless sorry if yours is
Talk about epically missing the point.
Now go and make the most of your wisp of a life before you eternally 'sleep', rather than waste time on a fool like me @@chamicels
👍
To cope with death anxiety I just try to rationalise it. I am afraid of a cold dark lonely void and the end of everything I know. But I will never experience death because when I die all my parts which experience cold, dark, loneliness and anxiety will cease to be. I will never know I have died, therefore, I will never experience death.
Is it just me, or does it seem our guest is very excited about the prospect of children with Alex! ❤ good luck!
I think that there will be no more conscious experience after death, but I'm still not scared of death. I'm not scared of non-experience, I'm only scared of terrible experiences.
Have you ever had a general anaesthetic?
Except without consciousness time moves infinitely fast, until all possibilities can occur, the circumstances required for you to experience again would occur just by infinite chance happening. Just think about it as a thought experiment.
Also, where is the “self” located that’s somehow arbitrarily bound to _your_ body?
And you didn’t exist before you were born, so where is the “you” prerequisite needed to come into existence?
Also, how can you know you’re not everyone experiencing life from different perspectives?
@@VinoVeritas_It just felt like being very sleepy before you go fully unconscious.
@@OmniversalInsect What happened during the period you were unconscious?
@@epicbehaviorI sometimes wonder this, how is your consciousness assigned to a certain human?
Eg If I was cloned exactly, so that this clone had all my memories and experiences, would I also experience the consciousness of this clone?
I wasn’t afraid either. Then I had kids and turned 40, and all that has changed. Having dependents that you love, and seeing the end of the tunnel, changes your perspective.
Why not an anti natalist? Just looking for perspectives
Precisely. Nobody fears death at 24, because it feels abstract and you probably haven't lost many people. By 45, that's gonna change.
That's actually the only fair reason I can get behind. You want to make sure they've got secure footing before you leave.
Any other reason is likely an issue of being too attached. Its an issue of being controlling, a reluctance to accept. An issue with psychological framing. So yes, the more you fear death, the more controlling of a person you are. As hard as that is to hear. Letting go of outcomes in a general sense is almost certainly not a strongsuit for these types.
The reason it hits you when you're old is because they never dealt with this character defect and it's slapping you in the face suddenly when you realize time is almost out.
People struggling with the fear of death need to study the "Tao" philosophy to learn more about this. It will wash all of that anxiety away and free you. No supernatural belief necessary
@@angusmcculloch6653not necessarily.
None here really care about this godless alone person to be afraid of death. Those people are just godless alone trash weak people that feel so alone that got not God in their miserable life (let remind this is the worthless and emptiest generation just as their empty worthless atheism not even worthy to clean the dirtiest toilet). Those people forgot about God therefore they lost all dignity, that why they are here to say empty words as their cult and to kiss disgustingly Alex ass... You godless alone trash people have to fear death. Why? Because you denied God, your creator, and once death you will be judge by him (not Alex) and he will judge you because you denied God for this empty BS cult called atheism (empty like you). Ask forgive to God to deny him and get back the dignity you lost when you stopped to believe in Him (because we all know you died inside you once you stopped to believe in God, but you can not admit it, right??? (If you still have some dignity do not reply this) lier as any Goddeniers, No respect for you and your miserable life (because you life is more miserable and weak, and lonely without God, do you know it???) The worst people and the worst shity generation!!! God is free and simple to believe and you will face him l, as anyone alse, no matter what.
Almost 70 years old, have a wife of 35 years, and three grown children. I love all of them, and would have sacrificed anything for them, including my life without hesitation, but have never felt that they were the greatest purpose of my life, which was basically to be curious about life, the universe , and everything.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:47
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8~9
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10:28
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 5:24
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39
My neighbour is going to be 102 years old in March, she tells me all the time she doesn't know why she is still here and is fed-up, she wants to go! I'm 68 and hope that I don't live as long as Lou, it's not a lot of fun at that age! Hearing fails, eyes fail, aches and pains, frailness sets in, one becomes helpless! I am not afraid to die, it's a natural process.
The two times I tried to commit suicide I wasn't afraid for myself. I felt almost relief. But then I thought of the family that loved me. And it scared me from hurting them. So I never did it again after the second time.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:47
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8~9
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10:28
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 5:24
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39
I wish people were less taboo with the topic of suicide. It’s normal to feel tired of life and to want to be done with it. It doesn’t always come from such a dark place, but even when it does that’s when we should be most open about it. There are few things more depressing than looking at everyone around you all seemingly happy and then knowing they want nothing to do with your dissatisfaction of life. It’s such a disconnected feeling that makes things so much worse. I try to be as open as possible with anyone having these thoughts. I want them to know that they’re not hopeless, and if it’s peace they’re looking for they can find it here on earth as well as in death. The only difference is that we don’t know if this is the only life we have. It might be, and so you must encourage people to make the most of it and make them realize that love and happiness are so much more powerful than even the darkest of days.
I thought a lot about death after my mom died. She had cancer so it was a slow process. After seeing what death truly looks like and feeling it's after effects It changed me. There were things in my life that I spent so much time doing by myself that suddenly stopped mattering as much. I slowly began spending more time with my friends and family. I realized that time really is short. You aren't promised a tomorrow so you should spend your time wisely.
Your mom still exists. She is more alive now than ever. Human life is just something we temporarily do, and then we go back to our true home.
@@bmerlin376 I don't need religion to help me cope with death, but thank you anyway.
@@Dragoon803 I despise religion.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:47
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8~9
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10:28
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 5:24
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39
@@bmerlin376 Explain more, please
thank you for this lovely conversation
Personally, I am not afraid of death precisely because I am convinced there is no afterlife. If there is existence after death, then that brings a lot of uncertainty and anxiety. But if there is just oblivion, then that's fine. In fact, I find it comforting knowing that I won't have to do this (being alive) forever, and that no matter what happens, I will eventually be at peace.
You’re convinced of a lie. This life isn’t free. God gave you breath and you are coming back up. For what? To be judged of God for how you lived and what you believed. There is heaven & there is the lake of fire. Don’t take comfort in your own vain thoughts. There is more that meets the eye. Life isn’t just happenstance.
@@RickyDaniels-hu1dl You ok bruv? You seem a little stressed
@@Fishbiene Present a counter point “bruv” not a mindless quip.
@@RickyDaniels-hu1dl There is no counterpoint to be made because you never made a point in the first place. You made a bunch of assertions, offered no evidence to back them up, and expected me to care
@@Fishbiene Don’t expect you to care. But you will be judged. You now know the truth.
I am an aethiest but was born into Catholicism 9:40 . Now I live for my own moments and memories and not to glorify some mythology or religious icon. That has freed me but I do have some fears. I've lived through depression but had great joy as well. As I get older, 60+ and am looking after two aging, slightly demented parents, I realise there is a natural progression of having to say goodbye at some point. They get slower, weaker and become frail. My life has become about them. If our parents keep living, we, their children cannot fully realise our true selves. Loving and and learning give us strength but we always have fears for those we love and that is a burden also. In grappling with the human condition which I believe is our own mortality, it is inevitable that we question how we live and why we live. Even if we think we found our purpose or motivation for living, it is ever changing and moving. It just isn't enough to keep us going for the duration of life. I have children and there is a need to strive to live more and die less for them. When you finally say goodbye, you will not know it. I do believe we will return to the earth and the stars to keep nourishing the world for those that continue after us.
I think like most people, I fear death. But that fear absolutely pales in comparison to the fear of losing another person. That is the single most terrifying thing for me.
One of natures cruelest tricks was creating a species that can have very strong emotional bonds, and also making that species aware of the inevitable nature of death.
With all the crazy and mind boggling things in the universe, I often ask myself if there really isn't anything after death.
Maybe there IS something after death. Maybe it's not heaven or hell, but something completely different we haven't even thought about.
Rick and Morty: "welcome back, how was the game of being JohnCana8351 for a lifetime back in the great plague leading up to 2023. Was the simulation fun? Do you want to schedule another run on Friday? "
@@user-zn4pw5nk2v haha, lol.
Remember the episode with the old half dead guy floating in space that somehow created different realities? That's my religion now, haha.
@@JohnCena8351 when they split reality, yes, i remember, the multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics. Nice choice, a religion that might be true, even though unlikely.
@@user-zn4pw5nk2v But it allows us to come up with nice science fiction stories haha.
maybe when you die you wake again as a new born baby destined to live over your life endlessly
Loved this part of the interview. Really great takes throughout
None here really care about this godless alone person to be afraid of death. Those people are just godless alone trash weak people that feel so alone that got not God in their miserable life (let remind this is the worthless and emptiest generation just as their empty worthless atheism not even worthy to clean the dirtiest toilet). Those people forgot about God therefore they lost all dignity, that why they are here to say empty words as their cult and to kiss disgustingly Alex ass... You godless alone trash people have to fear death. Why? Because you denied God, your creator, and once death you will be judge by him (not Alex) and he will judge you because you denied God for this empty BS cult called atheism (empty like you). Ask forgive to God to deny him and get back the dignity you lost when you stopped to believe in Him (because we all know you died inside you once you stopped to believe in God, but you can not admit it, right??? (If you still have some dignity do not reply this) lier as any Goddeniers, No respect for you and your miserable life (because you life is more miserable and weak, and lonely without God, do you know it???) The worst people and the worst shity generation!!! God is free and simple to believe and you will face him l, as anyone alse, no matter what
im a lucky person. discovered your channel a few days before - now i have the opportunity to dig through a massive amount of high quality content. thx alot
I dont know how many people could relate to me. They might think its weird. But what makes me really sad when i think about my death, is that i will never be able to listen to my favorite songs ever again. And thats just... depressing.
You probably listen to mumble rap anyway. Hardly anything good your missing
@@Heatwave9000 never listened to one mumble rap song in my life. I mainly listen to music from the 70-90s. And lyric heavy songs rather than just comercial ones.
Crazy to make assumptions about people you dont know. Says a lot about you. Yikes.
As one who also loves music, I feel your pain. But you have nothing to worry about. When you are back home on "the other side", you will be able to listen to any piece of music ever created. This includes music that was never brought into the human realm.
@@SpeciiA Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin, and Silent Lucidity by Queensryche, both have profound lyrics.
@@bmerlin376 eh, sounds nice. Too nice to be true. Im more of a "once you die thats it" kinda guy. And im at peace with that. Helps me put things into perspective. And do everything with passion.
The beard arc for Alex is easily his best arc.
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None here really care about this godless alone person to be afraid of death. Those people are just godless alone trash weak people that feel so alone that got not God in their miserable life (let remind this is the worthless and emptiest generation just as their empty worthless atheism not even worthy to clean the dirtiest toilet). Those people forgot about God therefore they lost all dignity, that why they are here to say empty words as their cult and to kiss disgustingly Alex ass... You godless alone trash people have to fear death. Why? Because you denied God, your creator, and once death you will be judge by him (not Alex) and he will judge you because you denied God for this empty BS cult called atheism (empty like you). Ask forgive to God to deny him and get back the dignity you lost when you stopped to believe in Him (because we all know you died inside you once you stopped to believe in God, but you can not admit it, right??? (If you still have some dignity do not reply this) lier as any Goddeniers, No respect for you and your miserable life (because you life is more miserable and weak, and lonely without God, do you know it???) The worst people and the worst shity generation!!! God is free and simple to believe and you will face him l, as anyone alse, no matter what.
@@kaput_hodgeNone here really care about this godless alone person to be afraid of death. Those people are just godless alone trash weak people that feel so alone that got not God in their miserable life (let remind this is the worthless and emptiest generation just as their empty worthless atheism not even worthy to clean the dirtiest toilet). Those people forgot about God therefore they lost all dignity, that why they are here to say empty words as their cult and to kiss disgustingly Alex ass... You godless alone trash people have to fear death. Why? Because you denied God, your creator, and once death you will be judge by him (not Alex) and he will judge you because you denied God for this empty BS cult called atheism (empty like you). Ask forgive to God to deny him and get back the dignity you lost when you stopped to believe in Him (because we all know you died inside you once you stopped to believe in God, but you can not admit it, right??? (If you still have some dignity do not reply this) lier as any Goddeniers, No respect for you and your miserable life (because you life is more miserable and weak, and lonely without God, do you know it???) The worst people and the worst shity generation!!! God is free and simple to believe and you will face him l, as anyone alse, no matter what.
all of his arcs are great
@@rutomeds your heart is empty like your shity atheism what it give to you and what you believe.
You both would have wonderful children who would have such incredible and profound conversations much like this. Great pleasure it was watching and listening to you both and Alex, you as always, really bring up great ideas and metaphors which encouraged some profound thinking. Been watching you for years and I’m a big fan. Hats off to you lad and keep going! I look forward to watching your career further expand as it has done in all the years I’ve been watching you.
Just love listening to your insights Alex. Witnessing a Great in the making!
The fear isn't wasted time but an end of time, a hundred years or a trillion would be equally worthless. It's not that time wasn't used but that time to you, experience itself is ending, no amount less than eternity could ever suffice.
I love Alex. I am a Christian and I think he does a great job of challenging the popular ideals of Christianity. It actually makes me more adept to convey my ideals and beliefs to people that don’t think the way I do. He’s never afraid to challenge anyone. I appreciate that. I pray for his salvation and want him to know what I do. God bless Alex.
Salvation from what? Before you had a brain you had no consciousness, when your brain decomposes it will be the same. Face reality.
yes brother, been learning and challenging the beliefs of my friends regarding this. Praying for their salvation that they'd come to Christ. For I've received so much from him in a few months than I ever did in 19 years when I was saved. Seeing people like this, make me even more faithful to Christ. I'm glad to see a comment like this
Why do you whoreship a demon that commands genocides and genital mutilation? The god of Abraham is the most evil deity ever imagined. If it did exist, it would be evil to whoreship it.
You literally whoreship a demonic psychopath that hates humanity and all the life it itself created.
It is profoundly immoral to be a religious Christian, Muslim, or Jew.
@@dimensionninja4929Christ is the embodiment of evil. You LITERALLY WHORESHIP a genocidal, genital mutilating psychopath.
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are pure evil. It is immoral to worship the god of Abraham. Anyone that does is willfully engaged in evil.
Thank you Alex. Watching two articulate men discussing a very interesting and relevant subject is an absolute privilege.
Excellent explanation, please keep it up!
I think the thought of being dead one day is truly comforting. Throughout your conversation you never actually discussed the reality of being dead, more so that you wouldn't be alive. I die every night for six or seven hours but I'm not afraid of sleep. After a hard days graft it is heavenly to drift into slumber. I haven't met anybody who holds the same view so maybe my logic is flawed but I really don't understand the other side. If your life is amazing why would you throw a tiny bit of suffering into it for a want that is totally pointless? Just live and die, it's manna from heaven that your god (not mine) has given me. Hope you all have a wonderful life.
I had surgery a few years ago and being under anesthetic is even more like being dead. I feel like when you are asleep it still feels like you are tethered to the world in some way. But under anesthetic you are just.. gone. It was completely fine and I found it to be somewhat comforting to think that being dead is just being completely absent from reality with no real issues. As time has gone on that feeling has sort of dissipated though and some anxiety about being dead has returned, but cognitively I still know it'll be okay.
The logic is flawed.
You relax in bed before you sleep and when you wake up, you feel good, because you're rested. But of course being unconscious is not relaxing. It's the absence of any feeling.
And death means there's no feeling ever again, nor anything good you can do.
You are conflating sleep and being dead. Dead = neither experience nor non-experience. Just because you don't remember what you experienced during sleep doesn't mean you didn't experience it. When dead, there are neither experiences nor non-experiences to neither remember nor not remember. Imagining the condition of being dead is imaginary and "false" (but not "worthless" simply for that reason); the Buddhists have a meditation on death precisely to help detach from unnecessary worldly cares. That's the comfort you identify, I would venture. Death is nonexistence, which existence cannot properly conceive of. When you are dead, you are not "lying in the ground" or "floating as ashes in the air" or even "a diffuse spray of electrons through the universe" or even "memories in those left behind"--that's all imaginative projection by that which exists (i.e., us).
@@talastraand that is why I fear death, because it's not an eternal rest, it is nothing, you completely cease to exist,
Those who say immortality would be horrid, or is selfish. What bull, I'd sure as heck rather be a depressed, perhaps insane immortal, then cease to exist, because ceasing is not a state of being, it's not an experience, it's a definitive end point. So thank you for having some level of sense where others are ignorant
@@talastra There was eons of time before I came into the world when did not exist. I didn't mind it then and I seriously doubt I'll mind not existing once I'm dead.
Everyone at some point in their life thinks like this but just before your final moment -you will be scared
There's a great quote often used in the context of raising children: the days are long but the years fly by.
That certainly seems to be something you can extrapolate to life itself.
Going on plenty of short breaks to new places, doing new things that challenge you, these things definitely help to dilate time as you get older
Recently I had a cancer scare and considered the possibility of death for the first time at age 35 (luckily further tests ruled it out).
For the first few days I was emotionally burdened and considered my own atheism as well as my religious parents' reaction.
Even at this time my rational moral philosophy provided a satisfying interpretation and solace. I considered I had lived a good life by my own and secular society's standards. The moral thing to do was to go through with treatment and prepare my wife and children for my death.
The only religious argument I considered was the threat of eternal punishment. And even this was dispelled by the inconsistency of various religious doctrines which all equally claim to provide the only way to avoid hell. A further nail in the coffin of this argument (zing) was sociological explanation of all these doctrines.
Anyway the cancer scsre turned out to be nothing, but a good mental exercise.
I am happy you're okay. Hope you live to be a right old age. I'd like to ask what your objection to relligion is. There are usually many options, but that doesn't mean all of them are wrong. I wonder why people say the very fact that options exist means nothing can be true. I'd like you to read the Bible and come to believe in Jesus.
@@orduenshambe4891 Out of all the thousands of different gods worshipped around the planet and accompanying theologies, what credible evidence do you have that would give us reason to believe YOURS is right and the rest are wrong? If you are making a case for a non-evidentiary explanation for everything, then ANY non-evidentiary claim made must be also be true, which is illogical.
Furthermore, if you're going with a supernatural god- explanation, then you must accept that with the supernatural, ANYTHING is possible. That would include the existence of all those other supernatural gods. To make an exception that only YOUR supernatural god could exist is also illogical and is called intellectual dishonesty.
The objections I have to religion are when they're used as a way to control and manipulate people, are imposed on others, or injected into government.
maybe it was a test of your faith?
@@orduenshambe4891Good morning! So glad that emerged from your cancer scare victoriously! Such a blessing! Here's something to think about; Why not try God, just once even? What do you really have to lose? The heck with religion! Instead, focus on a relationship. A relationship with the eternal Father. Here's the thing - If I'm wrong, you only wasted your time possibly becoming a better person moraly and otherwise, and we end up as worm food or cosmic dust, or whatever. But if I'm right, if I'm right, you might have dodged eternity in hell. Call hell what you want, but let's agree that it's the worst of everything for all eternity. If I'm right, boy oh boy, if I'm right........
As far as I'm concerned, I have everything to gain by searching for Christ and everything to lose if I don't.
Either way, God bless you and I'm glad you're doing well and thriving! You'll be in my prayers!
@@LowandFast357 looks like you've missed the entire point of their comment judging by your reply. think about what they had to say again... why does it necessarily have to be christ? why not muhammad? why not moses? buddha? odin?...etc.
you may claim these religions are false but they would claim the same about yours, some even worship the same god yet would disagree on the validity of your beliefs. that's the thing... if our friend here was to consider "trying god" when facing the cancer scare... which god would it be? why does it have to be the abrahamic god? and if it has to be, which version of it? which one of the 3 main religions? which sect of the 10s of sects under each has it right?
why does morality have to necessarily be tied to god? i've lived my whole life without any religion nor belief in a creator who wants a relationship with me, and i've lived a good life with its ups and downs so far, see a bright future up ahead for myself, and don't feel like any religion or religious practice is needed for me. the threat of eternal punishment and the promise of eternal bliss don't scare nor entice me respectively... why should they? they come off as a pathetic attempt at convincing people of ideas. a grand truth such as the answer to "does a god exist? and if so what is it like? what is the purpose of creation?" would not need weak methods of convincing, if anything, such an answer, the biggest truth of them all, would be so utterly convincing that none of us would have to argue or disagree about the existence of such a creator.
try asking yourself about truths in this world... what truths precede other truths? the common religious answer would be that God is the absolute truth that precedes everything and is not preceded by anything, the "final" answer to that question.
yet i've always had this itch in my head that kept asking... doesn't the fact of existence precede god?
sure we can argue all day about how we and our universe exist, and lets give it the benefit of the doubt and say that god does exist and is the source of our existence... in that sense god precedes us and our universe... but he does not precede existence: god must exist to be god.
so it goes Existence and the possibility of it > God > Us.
for god to exist, existence has to be possible first... and to me, the question of what does it mean "to exist" or "to be real" is a much more fascinating question than "does god exist?"
if you can question it like so, its most likely not true. how can god be without "existence" being a possibility in the first place? he can't exactly... exist before establishing the idea of existence as a fact.... "being" precedes god, thus he cannot truly be god
I'm not sure in which school of philosophical thought this would fall under but at around the age of 12, shortly before deciding an agnostic life made more sense, I preferred the idea of there simply not being an afterlife.
You two hinted at the benefits of this approach and even opened up why it may make sense... My thinking was more, your soul would not be around for you to experience or not experience anything.
But the extra bit you added, that the fear of death basically forces us to make meaning out of our existence is fascinating.
None here really care about this godless alone person to be afraid of death. Those people are just godless alone trash weak people that feel so alone that got not God in their miserable life (let remind this is the worthless and emptiest generation just as their empty worthless atheism not even worthy to clean the dirtiest toilet). Those people forgot about God therefore they lost all dignity, that why they are here to say empty words as their cult and to kiss disgustingly Alex ass... You godless alone trash people have to fear death. Why? Because you denied God, your creator, and once death you will be judge by him (not Alex) and he will judge you because you denied God for this empty BS cult called atheism (empty like you). Ask forgive to God to deny him and get back the dignity you lost when you stopped to believe in Him (because we all know you died inside you once you stopped to believe in God, but you can not admit it, right??? (If you still have some dignity do not reply this) lier as any Goddeniers, No respect for you and your miserable life (because you life is more miserable and weak, and lonely without God, do you know it???) The worst people and the worst shity generation!!! God is free and simple to believe and you will face him l, as anyone alse, no matter what... What weak people without God and Dignity... You are dishonest about God and you know it, No respect for you, and the family who raised you godless alone trash person....
Im a fan of yours Alex,youare so open and logical
I enjoy these conversations
After listening to your excellent recent conversation with professor John Vervaeke I typed this.
Dying and death is the one thing that in my belief we as a species cannot recount any lived experience of.
I have end stage terminal lung cancer with apparently two and a half to eight and a half months left before my death.
As I write this, being dead (that even sounds incomprehensible) holds nothing for or over me, "it just is" part of my process/meaning in the universe. I in my current form will not experience anything after my body, including my brain, cease to function in the way they have over the last 63 years. The way I think about this, is that if anything does happen after my death it has nothing to do with me, in the extremely unlikely event that anything does change or happen it will not be the me who is typing this that experiences that.
In my experience the fear of dying is completely different, the degree of pain, discomfort and longing over the months/weeks that precede my death does frighten me, because I don't know how I'm going to respond to that. Seriously strong opiate and benzodiazepine pain relief is an option however, the thought of taking that route doesn’t appear to completely alleviate my fear, which points me to my practice of the acceptance that I will be ok, because however I respond to the pain, discomfort and longing will only have the bearing on my value as a human being that I choose to give it.
How I process my death and dying is apparently very important to me which in one way makes no sense as an individual but as a member of a human community makes absolute sense. This is one of the tensions where I find meaning, the relational aspects of life as a human the relationships I have both with myself and others is the base of what's been of real importance to me in the span of my life. Another meaning giving tension is the one of my absolute insignificance in the process of the universe and my complete importance as the centre of my process in the universe. As a tiny cog in the gears of that universal process, I have a part to play, which if I had not existed would have been different
Edit, im terribly sorry for your diagnosis. What is your worldview, are you agnostic or an athiest?
We have SOME description of post death experiences. Verified near death experiences. How does the probable existence of consciousness post death affect your worldview?
You are going to transition to the other side, and it's going to be the most amazing experience you've ever had, but don't be in fear. You will likely see a bright light. That's your soul. Move towards it.
Watch the video Beyond Death - A Merabh With Adamus Saint-Germain
I never expected such a wholesome shift at the end in such a nihilistic conversation (◍•ᴗ•◍)
nihilism is based, but Absurdism is way more based.
@@SxcheschkaAre you using these terms casually or within their actual meaning?
@@totonow6955 Life is meaningless, we're all going to die. But within that meaninglessness we (the individual) finds their own meaning.
@@Sxcheschka Yeah, there is no intrinsic meaning to life. And this proposition pretty much is the basis of nihilism, existentialism and absurdism.
The fact that we think there is meaning to life, serves an evolutionary purpose(if we find life meaningful, we'll keep on living, reproduce and make more like us). And this is an illusion that I'm willing to be deceived by. And yeah, we can create our own meaning in lives.
@@Haffi684 I created a god that represents Absurdism, but all it is the metaphorical embodiment of it. It's name is, The Visage of the Thousand Hands. It represents, The NoReason, Pointlessness, Absurdism, and Death. It promises you nothing but the realization that you are biofuel for the universe. "What is the reason - there is no reason."
Hi Alex! I love your videos but don't have social media so i figured a youtube comment was the best place. I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your videos and the philosophical quandaries that they bring up. You seem to lean a little Left for my tastes, but I still respect you and what you seem to value and strive for. I believe critical thinking is a lost art in the western world, and while ignorance can be blissful, I think a curious mind is essential to keep those of authority in check! Keep up the good work!
Man I’m so scared of dying.
I fear the PROCESS of dying. I expect that won't be particularly pleasant and perhaps unbelievably painful. But I don't particularly fear BEING dead. I was dead for billions of years before I was alive and it was a perfectly swell experience. I am also not particularly fond of life having already experienced 40 years of it. It stopped being particularly fun after 10 years or so and it REALLY stopped being fun after about 25 years. We cling to this horrible and insufferable thing mostly because it is all we have ever had or known. We'd might not be better off if we all simply admitted this . . . But we would all be a bit more honest with ourselves and each other and that should count for something.
If you were dead for billions of years before you were alive, doesn’t that mean the prerequisite to being alive is first being dead ? Which then proves reincarnation.
@@idiosamaal-fajita3768 So before you were alive what were you? Dead or alive ?
From a certain POV, life IS the process of dying
@@SonofSolomon Every physical being was a nonphysical being before they took on the human form. Basically, an angel.
@@bmerlin376 so since we were a nonbeing, no we are being, and we’ll be a nonbeing again, why can’t we be a being again?
I don't mind death. What i'm scared of though is to be in pain.
Yeah, pain sucks
Most people die before they die. The spirit knows it's going to depart, so it mostly leaves before the body dies. This is usually a few days or a few weeks.
This is a wonderful clip, thanks for sharing. You mentioned Terror Management Theory, and I would highly recommend reading 'The Worm at the Core: On the Role of Death in Life' for more insight on that topic.
I would be careful, terror management theory has had trouble being replicated.
Alex has quickly become one of my favourite thinkers.
At 24, I'm mutually apathetic around death. I just go back to the nothingness I came from, and there's no longer an 'I' to even be afraid of it.
Yet, I'll swim out a bit too far or be put under for surgery, and there's this blinding flash of panic that grips me. Fearing death is like fearing what happened before you were born and idc. But /dying/ as an experience is absolutely terrifying.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:47
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8~9
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10:28
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 5:24
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39
You didn't come from nothingness:
"Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves"
@@jeremias2975 That quote doesn't conflict with what I'm conveying, in that my concious self didn't exist 24 years ago. The 'I' wasn't a thing then.
@@mspaint93 Right, it conflicts with the part “I just go back to the nothingness I came from”. I bring good news. You don’t need to be afraid of death, because Jesus is the resurrection and the life, and you will be resurrected for a glorious eternity with Him, if you believe in Him before you die.
“I am the resurrection and the life.
Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die.”
Death is like refusing to let go with all your might but getting weaker by the second. As you finally release you let yourself trust in fate to catch you, because you have no other choice. If it doesn’t catch you you’re probably going to hell or something idk I’m just making shit up.
Hmm some interesting points, Alex. But what about alcohol?
im 29 and my first kid is now 10 months old and i gotta say it is an interesting phenomenon. You have this thing that now your main purpose going forward is to try your best to ensure that kid has the best life imaginable. My kid already is leaps and bounds ahead of where i was when i was born and so long as they have a good life then im good. Ill die happy
Alex, I’ve watched you carefully and insightfully for a good while now. I think I see the person you are, along with where you’re at intellectually and spiritually to this point. I appreciate your sincerity and your fine manners during public conversations. But with the intelligence that you’ve been given, I don’t expect too much disagreement when I say to you that no one- no matter how seemingly intellectually settled on the matter- can indeed know what is one’s actual level of fear for death until one has explicitly looked “it” squarely in “the eyes”.
"but are you sure about tha--" "-no." lol
I’m not afraid of death, I’m afraid of what happens to my family and friends and maybe not knowing how shows and comics/manga I like end.
None here really care about this godless alone person to be afraid of death. Those people are just godless alone trash weak people that feel so alone that got not God in their miserable life (let remind this is the worthless and emptiest generation just as their empty worthless atheism not even worthy to clean the dirtiest toilet). Those people forgot about God therefore they lost all dignity, that why they are here to say empty words as their cult and to kiss disgustingly Alex ass... You godless alone trash people have to fear death. Why? Because you denied God, your creator, and once death you will be judge by him (not Alex) and he will judge you because you denied God for this empty BS cult called atheism (empty like you). Ask forgive to God to deny him and get back the dignity you lost when you stopped to believe in Him (because we all know you died inside you once you stopped to believe in God, but you can not admit it, right??? (If you still have some dignity do not reply this) lier as any Goddeniers, No respect for you and your miserable life (because you life is more miserable and weak, and lonely without God, do you know it???) The worst people and the worst shity generation!!! God is free and simple to believe and you will face him l, as anyone alse, no matter what
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:47
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8~9
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10:28
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 5:24
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39
The fear of death only persists so long as the sequence of thoughts and grasping that we call a “self” generates the misapprehension that there is a chooser.
But it can become obvious empirically (self enquiry, meditation, psychedelics etc) that no such entity exists, nor ever has.
And if it isn’t there to begin with, it cannot die.
When you focus even a little bit on your inevitable demise, you lose precious time living in the present. And to the extent that your demise causes you worry or be traumatized by the thought or provides you with severe emotional problems, you compromise your capacity to be happy and experience the joy of just being alive, for however much time you may have. I am 77 years of age and the happiest person I know. And my constant state of relative happiness is totally disassociated from the life I have led,,,which has not been an easy one. So, when a good friend for years over coffee one day said that he cannot understand how it is that I am constantly upbeat, I told him that I have a little secret to being happy on a daily basis: Every day of my life I get up from my bed, walk into my bathroom and look in the mirror, and if I see me in the mirror looking back, I'm happy fot the rest of the day. That little routine hasn't failed me yet over all these years, but I surely know that one day I will look in the mirror and I will not be there looking back...and that will be the day I'll be quite unhappy. Life is a gift from the forces of the Universe and is meant to be fulfilling and enjoyed. Don't dishonor the gift by demeaning it. This life is likely the only one you know for sure you get. If you knew the first vehicle you buy will be the only one you will ever own for as long as you live, you'd take the time to keep it polished, clean, in great running order and you'd come to love and depend on it for as long as you live. Well, your life is that vehicle and it usually can get you anywhere you need or want to go. Love it every day!
Definitely somewhat fearful of death. But I do feel even if we where to all disappear in a week, still there are some goals I would still be motivated to achieve just because it's fun to achieve them and share them with your friends even if it is for a week. That being said, knowing that my time is finite definitely makes me more focused.
None here really care about this godless alone person to be afraid of death. Those people are just godless alone trash weak people that feel so alone that got not God in their miserable life (let remind this is the worthless and emptiest generation just as their empty worthless atheism not even worthy to clean the dirtiest toilet). Those people forgot about God therefore they lost all dignity, that why they are here to say empty words as their cult and to kiss disgustingly Alex ass... You godless alone trash people have to fear death. Why? Because you denied God, your creator, and once death you will be judge by him (not Alex) and he will judge you because you denied God for this empty BS cult called atheism (empty like you). Ask forgive to God to deny him and get back the dignity you lost when you stopped to believe in Him (because we all know you died inside you once you stopped to believe in God, but you can not admit it, right??? (If you still have some dignity do not reply this) lier as any Goddeniers, No respect for you and your miserable life (because you life is more miserable and weak, and lonely without God, do you know it???) The worst people and the worst shity generation!!! God is free and simple to believe and you will face him l, as anyone alse, no matter what... What weak people without God and Dignity... You are dishonest about God and you know it, No respect for you, and the family who raised you godless alone trash person....
I don’t see the correlation between creating a legacy and escaping death as Alex mentioned. So what if I want people to read my book after I’m dead? I’m still dead, that doesn’t change anything.
Alex's idea on terror management certainly can be easily countered. There's many people with even a physical incapability of fear or they simply do not perceive danger a normal person would (such as adrenaline junkies), doing great things like scaling heights and extreme sports. I wonder if they happen to be simply outliers, because these subsets of people clearly shown a driven motivation to continue their passions.
Now, when I think about that, I am afraid. Thank you very much!
We can trust that the universe will maintain the gravity well of narrative we call ourselves, after we die, in exactly the same way it holds our existence to be true from moment to moment, now.
I feel pretty good about this roll of the dice. If I get another turn, I hope I'm able to see, walk, or the other plethora of things I'm thankful for now.
@@Besthinktwice It may sound intriguing, but being at the mercy of time and chance over and over again doesn't sound too appealing to me. There are definitely some lives, cultures, etc, I would not want to experience.
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If you were someone else, it wouldn't be you.
Someone else already exists.
@@ga6589No because you wouldn't have your past memories so you wouldn't know you've existed before
@@Heatwave9000 What's the point of wishing to have all those reincarnated life experiences if you can't remember any of them once you pass on to the next one? There is the belief of some that past lives can come back to haunt you.
@@ga6589 It makes me feel better now I guess idk
The idea of simply no longer existing, confuses me.
Because existing is all you have ever known and you are biologically wired to cling onto life.
Repent to God, and turn to Islam, the true religion.
Without the brain there is no fear, so I'm not afraid...
...I would sacrifice myself for my younger siblings so I don't think this feeling is solely a parent/child one
It is not death that people fear, but the idea of not having lived while they had the chance. When we utter the phrase "I could die happy" we reveal the secret that in joy and happiness we are so overflowing with abundance and feel in that moment that we have everything we need to such a degree that we welcome death, since life has been so fully completed in our hearts.
We can never be truly satisfied if not being with Lord Jesus:
"the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing."
@@jeremias2975 I do not believe in God, and yet not a day goes by in which I feel a yearning for something deeper. I couldn't be happier. Who needs God when you have life.
@@jackbicknell4711 You could be much happier, and for much longer.
You could know the love of Lord Jesus, and receive imperishable riches:
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth,
where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal,
but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.
For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
“Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness,
for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”
And he told them a parable, saying,
“The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself,
‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’
And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones,
and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul,
“Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’
But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you,
and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’
So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”
It seems clear to me that life ending from our point of view is logically impossible. If death is by definition not experienced and all of experience involves living, then it necessarily is the case that life is endless from our subjective point of view. For if life did end from our perspective, it would require that our subjective experience involves death, which contradicts what death is.
I feel like a form of subjective immortality is a natural consequence of viewing death as being the cessation of consciousness.
How is life ending from our point of view logically impossible? I can't see how that would make sense at all tbh.
What about the cessation of identification with consciousness?
What you are saying makes me think about the quantum immortality theory. The idea is that from your point of view you never die, because when you actually do, your "consciousness" transfers to a parallel universe where you wouldn't have died.
@@bike4aday could you elaborate on what you mean by that? Do you mean the self?
@@Bobby-mq9ysThink about it. Can your pov of experience ever involve within it the end to your experience? Clearly not. Experience and death are by definition incompatible.
“Do not fear death, for it is what gives life meaning”
Bro gonna become a supervillain
The feel of death is ..sleeping without dreams..
so its just sleeping. seems nice
i mean in that moment we feel nothingness..
It’s not even that.
For me it is easy why the years fly by when you are older.
In your 2nd year you have 100% additional experiences. When you are 5, it is just 20% new experiences, with 10 it is 10% -
and with 50 it is just 2% that is added.
Many experiences are repetitive/ I find myself saying, "I don't know if I already said this," multiple times a day. Also, by planning for the future, you potentially limit your thinking, like a form of automation, and maybe more times goes by without you really noticing. I also noticed that in my, I watch content like the above video, and while it gets me thinking, it more often reaffirms my prior thinking (which is useful imo, plenty of people in programs go off track once they're not involved anymore and don't continue the exercises) and not much changes.
I play D&D (and games like it), and I think the interaction with others, as well as the reduce "automation" (compared to a video game), help slow things down, and can be more memorable, especially if everyone in the group likes to reminisce and talk about out it (I've had a few groups where discussions were nonexistent on off days, and it killed some of the joy).
At this stage of my life (I'm 30), I've just started having kids and I've been playing more roleplay games with friends, I'm reflecting on what I want to look back on so I have fewer regrets. They say when you procrastinate, you put it on your future self - well, I'm being more careful what I put on my past self so even my future self is proud and less worried.
Alex you are just Incredible! 😊
More conversations about death and immortality please!
I'm simply afraid cause I believe in all likelyhood there is nothing after death. I'm afraid of uncertainty, it's the root cause of my anxiety, combine uncertainty and permanence and it's scary as can be for me. I imagine dying like going under with anesthesia (had it many times) - you remember losing control and feeling a strong urge to sleep, then you have 0 concept of time, as though you don't exist for the duration, then you wake up like there's only been a moment between the beginning and end. Except with death this is forever, or if the universe isn't forever, then you won't be able to tell the difference. This line we call time being folded into a dot is scary as hell to me. I honestly feel like this heavily impacts my quality of life, I think of it almost every day, and I don't find "well we can't do anything about it so why care" to be a sufficient line of reasoning for me. I think most people just convince themselves it won't be so bad, ignore the fear and bury it deep, then when some terminal diseases comes knocking all of a sudden people don't feel so comfortable. Kudos to the ones that do genuinely not fear it, though. This is my only goal in life - to not fear death, cause I've experienced more pain medically speaking than 99% of other young people, so I don't fear it, I just fear death.
I'd love to talk about this and try to resolve my fear, cause it's the biggest issue for me anxiety wise.
I can relate and I am 58. Logically death is not something to be feared. It really is “nothing.” Death would be different, and I would fear it, if it was an eternity of pain. However, I am an atheist so I don’t believe that is the case. My fear and anxiety comes from the loss of all that I am and have right now. This becomes irrelevant when I die, but it seems relevant to me as I live. I cope the way many people do, by not giving it much thought! Wishing you peace and happiness!
What if you are mistaken about the cause of your anxiety?
My marriage is an interesting experiment. My spouse is naturally anxious. Bordering on pathologically anxious. In most situations, the suggestion of the possibility of danger (physical, financial, social... whatever) drives her to try to devise plans and strategies to avoid that danger. It sets her mind racing, and on a good day launches her into a series of actions designed to mitigate the danger, and on a bad day overwhelms and paralyzes her. I, in contrast, am almost pathologically lacking in anxiety. I very much "live in the moment", and the suggestion that something bad might be on the horizon is usually met with the sentiment "let's wait and see... if it becomes immanent, then we can deal with it then". Both approaches have benefits and problems. Hyper-anxiety can solves problems by planning ahead, but can waste all sorts of resources (emotional, mental, and concrete) on problems that were not going to happen or were not solvable. Hypo-anxiety can be more efficient with those resources, but can run in to avoidable trouble. The thing is, neither of us are "right" in our approach (often both of us are wrong in hindsight), and neither of us chose our tendency. That means that the potential danger isn't the real cause of the anxiety, some biological mechanism is.
Far from being fatalistic about this, I think this is a good thing. Brains are meat-machines that can have their programming adjusted, to some degree. My hypo-anxiety was one of the root causes of a long lasting gambling addiction I had. I primarily relied on self-applied cognitive behavioral therapy to rid myself of my addiction. I still have tendencies that trend away from the anxious, but I have learned to manage my tendencies to better achieve the outcomes I want.
My suggestion is that perhaps it isn't "the idea of death" that causes your anxiety, but instead that you are naturally prone to anxiety, and your brain has associated that with thoughts of death. My suggestion is that you have the cause and effect backward. If I'm correct, that leaves you with a potentially difficult, but perfectly solvable problem. How do you manage your anxiety in general, and specifically when it manifests on subjects that you don't have any control over. If my suspicion is wrong, things are much bleaker, as the only solution I can see is to discover a means to become immortal, or forever be anxious.
General anesthesia really feels like death for a moment. Experienced it 3 times. Its weird and undescribale.
Read the Quran
Not sure if this helps but I always thought of sleep as practicing for death. And it is very peaceful. I look forward to sleep. It’s getting to the point where I’m having good control of my body within the dream. I enjoy my hobbies within this weirdly created world but not of earth. Waking up gets to be a joy when there is much life around.
I hold a somewhat distinctive viewpoint on death, wherein my apprehension is not primarily directed towards my own mortality but rather towards the inevitable passing of those close to me-my parents, siblings, and cherished friends. Conversely, while the idea of my own demise doesn't instill fear, the thought of my absence bringing sorrow to my family weighs heavily on my conscience.
My perspective suggests that death is intricately linked to the textile of one's life experiences. The challenge of acceptance intensifies for the young who, feeling they've barely scratched the surface of existence, find the prospect of departure prematurely daunting. Observing elderly individuals in my community, I've witnessed a spectrum of reactions before their final moments: some displaying contentment, while others shed tears or depart with a serene smile.
I am inclined to believe that the fear of death, pervasive as it is, ought to be mitigated by recognizing it as an integral facet of the life cycle. From the cellular level to the cessation of vital organs, death is an inevitability. Despite this universal truth, human beings grapple with an intrinsic fear of the unknown, even when it is an inescapable aspect of existence.
It appears that our attitudes towards death are shaped by the mosaic of our life experiences. For instance, individuals with a history of anxious, overprotective, or neglectful parenting may develop an acute fear of danger and mortality. Such experiences can instill a perpetual sense of vigilance, impacting one's perception of the world and the inevitability of death. It is intriguing how our individual life narratives influence our perspectives on mortality.
In essence, your contemplation delves into the complex interplay between personal experiences, age, and the existential fear of death. It encourages a thoughtful examination of one's own beliefs and emotions surrounding mortality, offering a nuanced understanding of a topic that often elicits deep introspection.
In simple words/TL;DR - I talked about being more afraid of losing loved ones than one's own death and suggests that how we view death is influenced by our life experiences. The paragraph mentions observing different reactions in elderly individuals before they pass away. It emphasizes that death is a natural part of life and explores how our personal experiences shape our fears and attitudes towards mortality.
In Blue Mars, of the Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson, the characters experienced multiple challenges from centuries old lives. Memory issues of simple retention over that time span, cultural differences, relationship changes, political changes, and inescapable existential weariness. Things things ring true to me for either long life or whatever heaven you can imagine.
6:27 that is how I feel about painting sometimes. If there is no one to buy it or appreciate it there isn't much point unless its some sort of therapy. But even then it is trying to express yourself to others. Art is driven by approval from others.
I have said the same thing, made the same observation. I think the only ring the artist can grab onto is to think that in the years after his or her passing on, the art will be discovered and appreciated. That "ring" would not exist were it not for being aware of that scenario actually occurring to a few artists.
I feel very envious of people who don't fear it. It's the ultimate source of my anxiety and depression. My entire life is built around trying desperately to distract myself from thoughts of it. I tried to rationalize it and cope in all kinds of ways and even watched an entire university course on death to understand it more, but to no avail. The very concept of non-existence is just something I can never accept.
Anyone who says they dont fear it, because of their religious beliefs about an afterlife or because of their declared philosophical indifference to it is at their truest heart lying to themselves. We are lying to ourselves that we dont fear death. Of course we do. Its the ultimate unknown, whether with an afterlife or without one. We cannot contemplate or wrap our head around ceasing to exist or existing in some corporeal form "forever". Both are frightening for their own reasons because what is "forever" feel like and to me the more frightening, how could I possibly not exist anymore? And its even more frightening that we are basically strapped in, and whichever it is is whichever it is.
Seriously, you need religion; some of us do not but you do. When you pick one however, do not attack those who do not buy it.
never really did and went in so much pain in my life, many times I just can't wait for it to end, to finally sleep, for the pain to stop. Not having love, a family, from foster placements to adult prisons, drug addiction, it's been a ride I just wanted to stop, so many times. I'm comfortsble now, but still wouldn't mind the rest and sleep, the struggle and pain of living is a huge weight
You already know what it was like to not exist. It was the eons of time before you came into existence. ☺
I have been down a similar road this past year. I was a die-hard Christian, but I one day decided to take shrooms and everything changed. I take them for therapy, and for the most part, it helped greatly. But this trip changed my entire life. The trip itself was all over the place, but the gist of it was that I believed while on the trip that the shrooms were literally communicating with me and telling me exactly why I was there. I said, I don't understand, why am I here? They told me that they are a part of the universe and the universe doesn't even know why it's here, but living forever is torturous, and so life is the product of trying to escape that torture, and my ultimate purpose is simply living with the truth of dying. Now I don't believe any of that for a second because I was obviously fucked up on shrooms, but it was so bizarre that somebody who believed without a doubt that I am going to heaven when I die, created that in my head, which just showed that I always must've had my doubts. Completely shifted how I thought about death. It actually put me in a weird spot where I wanted to die, but also wanted to live because I no longer was sure of death. the uncertainty of death is what was so scary. And what is even scarier, is that nobody even knows what will happen after death. It is so funny that the only truth is death, but there is no truth about what it actually is. I think what you're doing by studying it and sitting with the feeling is a good idea. What I did to help me feel better, was read about existential philosophers. Jose Ortega Y Gasset is my favorite one. He takes the absurdity of living and dying and makes it feel important. But indeed sitting with the feeling until I became used to it actually did make me stronger, because the trick to pain isn't to abolish it, but to not be bothered by it. I hope we can both eventually figure it out, because what is there to be scared of anymore if not death? How freeing would it be to not be scared of the truth? Anyways, sorry for the rant haha
You should spend some time researching thousands of NDE's that are deeply fascinating, I hope you'll in some near or distant future drop all the topics related to religion/God, everyone at this point knows God is a man made, but there are incredible and fascinating research related to near death experiences and consciousness potentially being able to survive so called physical death. We are almost certainly in simulation, do we simulate ourselves from some higher dimensions or we are maybe caught in the energetic hologram created by far advanced inter dimensional beings? These are the topics far more interesting than old boring religion and God....
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But Alex I have been thru stage IV cancer and feel time is precious and simultaneously not afraid of death as a agnostic.
Of course we value our lives. And perspectives vary wildly even on that point. Extremes aside, my experience is fun. It not just about outwitting death. Really. Surviving cancer means what I realized about myself in the process would not continue taking place. That experience is incredibly valuable for me in ways I had no clue of. It is amazing.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:47
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8~9
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10:28
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 5:24
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” Acts 13:39
If you experience fear you have been, are, or will be scared of dying. It can be said in a particular moment that right now i am not scared of dying but that fear snd desire to survive is there; if it isnt you jave something weong with you.
It is hardwired into us
If every time you have slept you have waken up, and sleep is like death, what do you think will happen when you die?
Falling asleep actually is death. Nobody fears falling asleep. But when the body dies, your consciousness simply wakes up on the other side - so to speak.
Your soul is literally screaming out to you yet you still deny it.
It's crazy to see the man in so deep of denial.
Not really he is supposed o be that way.
I cannot believe your eloquence on the experience of time and its felt passage at only twenty-four years old.
The thing with the sensation of time flying by - It sounds like the solution would be a little more mindfulness, being present in the moment. And then, for when you think back on the day in the evening, actually name what happened during the day and the sensation that the day just flew by fades.
My biggest worry is making sure all my family, dependants are financially secure / dont have to worry when I'm gone, the actual thought of dying I am quite at peace with (as long as it's not painful).
Damn I made it early to a video for once!
I have cousins and friends who’ve shared the same experince to sacrifice everything for their children. I have no idea what it’s like, but I’ll have my own child in a few months and I can’t wait to see what kind of shift of mentality I will experience. Remind me to send an update in May.😅
The acceleration of human perception of time through technology advancement and anxiety inducement it seems making younger people, less than for 40's, feel that their lifetime is passing faster, something that usually start to be feel in the midd age.