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RAPT Pill Digital Beer Brewing Fermentation Hydrometer - Tilt/Pill Review
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
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To use any of the RAPT internet connected product make sure to register at app.rapt.io
The RAPT Digital Thermometer and Hydrometer will enable you to track and log the fermentation process and collect data automatically.
I love all the Innovation KegLand has been introducing to our craft! What an exciting time to be a homebrewer! Thank you and keep up the good work!
Great video. Just got my pill. The only thing I did different, to save a step, is to use a piece of tape to provide the temporary mark on the housing and transfer it to the interior with a pen marking. Cheers!
Yes that is a good idea. Tape would work well for this.
Guess I should've done more research as I'm disappointed in that the bluetooth function only works with proprietary devices..... which I don't have. Setting this up to use wi-fi is a laborious pain in the ass and I would've opted out had I known.
I don't think I've used anything that was so convoluted and confusing to set up in the past 10 years. How about a plug-and-play like any other product on the market? Having to enter MAC addresses etc?
When I choose the RAPT wifi connection it disconnects my home wifi from that device, requiring you to be signed in on two devices at the same time. When I try logging into my RAPT account, it doesn't recognize my password so I've had to reset that three times already.
VERY FRUSTRATING to set up! I can only hope that it is easier to use than to set up!
Looking forward to this reaching the US markets.
We have no distributors in America yet however you will be able to purchase from Aliexpress in the meantime. I believe they will go onto Aliexpress in the next couple of weeks.
@@KegLand I manage to order via Aliexpress only to have my order cancelled by the seller Bear Ware Store due to problems shipping items with batteries. Looking forward to you finding an American distributor.
@@frankgleason5209 You can go to the official KegLand Aliexpress store here:
kegland.aliexpress.com/store/5784799?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000007.1.41b77a53t5ODhh
They are on holiday for another couple weeks
Is there a screen that just shows temp and SG
Anyone else notice my man has 3 hands... this is the evolution of Kegland products.
Haha. Thanks Dan.
I had plans on building an iSpindle, but this looks very nice (and complete). Does it also support MQTT? That would make integration with other IoT devices (and Node Red, Influxdb, Grafana, Home Assistant) very easy.
Second this please.
You had me sold on Wifi connectivity. Does look better than my Tilt. Can you send all the API data to Thomas at Brewfather, would be good to have the integration. Cheers
Yes by about June/july next year we will have an API released so customers can connect with other devies.
Hello everyone. I can´t put mine in AP mode. I charged all night and when I disconnect the cable both lights go out. Any Ideas?
Hello. Make a video instruction on how to use the RAPT application, please.
First time user of the PIll yesterday, and I have to say user friendliness is not a feature of the RAPT Pill. The instructions for the registration process and actually getting it to work on the RAPT portal are not clear at all - it would be much better to ship it with some clear written instructions. I also suggest an IOS/Android app would be somewhat better for non tech savvy users. After finally getting the Pill's firmware updated, working and calibrated it was reading 1.000 in water and 1.075 in wort that measured 1.063 on both a refractometer and a Tilt. Ended up removing the Pill from the brew and will try again next time but not exactly a stellar experience.
Once you have paired the product correctly I think you will find it fairly straight forward. We made a new video to make it more obvious how to open up and use the captive portal here:
czcams.com/video/Ch-OkXtKTvM/video.html
We also have the quick start guide online here:
www.kegland.com.au/media/pdf/KL20596%20-%20RAPT%20Pill%20Hydrometer%20and%20Thermometer%20Quick%20Start%20Guide.pdf
@@KegLand I got it working finally. How do I change the or reset the fermentation profile ? Second brew I have used it on and the graph just keeps going on from the first time use. and I can't find any way to change it or reset it. Doesn't seem to be mentioned in your user manual. Is there any support process that doesn't require a facebook account ?
Ordered my pill today, can't wait to use it. I mentioned on a previous KL video about digital beer tap handles, displaying images and info on a lcd display handle, it would cool if you could make a Rapt lcd tap handle, automatically grabbing information from the pill and other profiles, to seamlessly create a digital display showing abv, ibus colour ect ect.
We have been considering tap handles but the powering a screen is the difficult part. It becomes a bit messy to have cables running to a tap handle and if we do not use cables the only screen that is low enough power to be used with batter is the eink. The eink screens are quite expensive.
It could also show percentage or fl oz. remaining in the keg!
Leave it to Kegland to take any idea and make it better! I only wish you'd ship directly to your U.S. customers!
Boa tarde! Meu dispositivo nao aparece a ede para conectar. Só pisca a luz verde uma vez se eu tirar e colocar a bateria. Ele nao aparece a rede kegland para conectar. Pode me ajudar?
About to take the plunge and buy the Rapt Pill and Thermometer
It will change your life!
Just bought one and although i haven't set it up yet (i will be soon) i have a few ideas for the next revision or model, 1st would be to have the USB charger port inline with the board, instead of sticking out, this could be a potential point of failure, it could break off the board if the unit gets knocked while being charged, 2nd would be a proper on/off switch, would be good for those who don't do constant brews and could prolong the life of the battery.
Thanks for the feedback. We were a bit concerned about the reliability of the micro switch as small switches and reduce the reliability of the device. Also in the firmware you can just put the tilt horizontally and this will put the tilt into sleep mode. When in sleep mode the drain in battery will be extremly slow and a full battery would only draw about 0.05% per year of charge. With that said the much more sigificant factor is all 18650 batteries just discharge on their own at a rate of 1-2% per annum. So if if we did install a switch the battery would still discharge and the difference between sleep mode and turning the battery off completely would be negligible.
Either way, in sleep mode the battery will last many years. So the main thing to remember is jus tto store horizontally.
Hi, just thought I would throw in my two cents, 18650, along with 20700, 21700 and 26650, 18 being the circumference and 650 being the length, these are lithium ion rechargeable batteries, best not charged thru the board but charged thru an external battery charger (they are usualy one size fits all), I know this from years of experience with these batteries from vaping. They also use them in series in tesla EVs. Continuous charging thru the board will cause problems with the battery holding charge and performance, very crucial in the use of a hydrometer, you don't want false readings and it to go flat mid fermentation, but its more noticeable in vaping where you are maxing out the battery all the time just about where with this usage it is just powering a board, I don't know alot about these hydrometers, how long does it last before having to recharge it? Anyways cheers.. looking forward to seeing the brewzilla gen 4!
I would mostly agree with you but just on the first charge the pin on the microchip is essentially calibrating with the battery so it can determine what 100% charge is. So for the first charge we would recommend a good long 24hr charge and then once you have done this you can use your external charger if you want.
We have included a charge control on the board so really I dont think it's necessary to charge in a separate controller but if you wanted to do that it's fine too.
You mentioned the dangers of polycarbonates being in contact with foodstuffs, I guessing this is relevant to the Brewzilla sight glass too?
A very good question.
Looks great and the price couldn’t be better. Any plans to distribute to the USA?
One thing I always disliked about the Tilt (and this) is I would like something with an onboard rechargeable battery and a wireless charger. This would allow for the device to be completely contained in waterproof casing with no threads.
I believe some have modded their iSpindel with wireless charging. 18650 batteries are designed to vent gas while charging. I can't help think this would end badly in a sealed container.
A battery that produces gas? An electric toothbrush is also sealed.
Yes we are looking into wireless charging and it's possible that the next model might have this feature.
Truly love all your products. However, I wonder why you’ve never created an app to make a more smooth accessible system like grandfather has.?
Thanks for the feedback. We will look into making an app too. I would agree this would make the registration process a bit easier.
How do you get the calibration screen up?
This is a great idea but my WiFi won't reach to my shed where I brew. Switched to Bluetooth in the settings but can't pair to my phone. Must be doing something wrong. Can you run through the process?
It looks like a good quality product. Although the the 5th order polynomial does not make sense. I have plotted data with similar devices (iSpindel and my own esp32 iTilt). It is very clear that te correct theoretical relation is a polynomial of order 3. The physical design of this device with the double O rings and no place for bubbles to stick is appealing. The price look very affordable comparing other commercial and diy products.
Yes the 5th Order polynomial is probably not necessary and to be quite honest I mainly use the simply calibration which is accurate enough anyway so I think the more complex methods of calibration are really only thre for people who like getting into the technical aspects of this device or are using the device outsite of it's normal function. Hope you enjoy using the product. We have been having a difficult time manufacturing them fast enough at the moment.
What's the temperature limit for the pill? Something that really bothers me on brew day is having to make sure my wort is properly mixed, take a sample, cool the sample down to 20c, and use my 'best judgement' of a hydrometer reading to get my gravity figures.
would the pill and housing be able to handle temperatures up to boiling, so I can just drop one of these in the kettle for my pre and post boil gravity readings?
The housing is made from nylon 12 and POK which can handle an autoclave so this would be fine. The board itself would also be able to handle 100C. Really the only issue would be the battery. The batteries that we use are only rated to 75C.
Does the red light turn green once it is charged
Hi there we have a small brewery and was wondering how it would work through the SS fermenters and would love to have it all on a monitor set kinda like the tilt for easy reading for people to see in the tap room
Wow i have a tilt & love it but would love to try this
I have the pill, love it! Question, can I use neodyme magnets to hold a hop bag for dry hopping, or can the neodym magnet make any trouble for the pill?
Anything that affects the angle will affect the measureed gravity, so maybe. We haven't tested this though
I purchased and received 4 of the pills and having problems getting them up and running. These are definitely in my view not user friendly. I have registered 2 of them so far and still charging the second. I was able to calibrate the first then placed it in my brew. Took quite a while to get it to this stage and now not sure how to hook up to the one in fermenter. With the research I have done these will be a game changer for me however finding it a tad painful setting them up to a point where they work.
Have you done the firmware update. We just upgraded the firmware on all pill units so the new firmware is easier to use and calibrate.
Any chance of seeing these in the US? These are really well thought out and the attention to detail is spot on. Cheers!
We have not distributors with stock in US at the moment so for the time being if you are in America then you might be able to order from Aliexpress in the meantime:
kegland.aliexpress.com/store/5784799
@@KegLand thanks - I'll save the link and check in from time to time
@@KegLand nothing there
@@Rubio_Eric that aliexpress store doesn't serve Australia (at least). Really wish they would change that policy, even if I understand their business logic
@@little_tinker I'm in the US. I didn't see anything but I'll check back
Any chance that you'd be opening up the data through an API? I've already got a decent Home Assistant setup and would love to be able to ingest the data into the dashboards I've already got setup.
Looking forward to grabbing one of these when they're back in stock!
We will publish the API about mid next year. What is the dashboard system that you use? We wanted to finish the other RAPT products that we are going to release before publishing an API
How du you get the axis on the left hand side of the graph to show gravity (SG)?
Why was my comment on whether API access would be implemented deleted?
Yes we will eventually release an API but this will not be until mid next year. We want to finish the family of other RAPT products first before we release an API.
Just bought this here in Canada and so far I'm very impressed, especially considering the price point.
One thing I'd like to know is if/when Kegland may have an interface available for Brewfather?
yes absolutely. this is being worked on at the moment so the integration will be available hopefully within the next month or so.
@@KegLand Great News!! Thank you for the update!
I really like what you're showing here. I'm curious about the temperature during calibration. I saw that on the graph, but during calibration wouldn't the temperature be very important? Conceivably you could calibrate at different temperatures with a hydrometer reading of 1.000.
Yes the calibration will be effected very slightly by temperature. You can see the effect here: www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/water-density
Just bought one of these. My modem and everything attached to it runs off 5g. It seems silly that the rapt is 2g. Im not about to start using 2.4g from my router just for the rapt. Is there a way around this .otherwise its useless.
5G is poor when it comes to signal penetration through liquid, walls, fermenters etc. The pill doesn't need high data transfer speeds so 2.4 is the best option as it will give you better signal strength.
You very likely would get no signal at all with 5G
Curious to see how this might work in kombucha given as the scoby forms it may prevent it from floating at the appropriate level. You couldn't use it for alcohol levels, but would be super valuable to log how quickly the sugars are consumed against time and temp etc
We have not tried with kombucha to be honest but if you give this a go please let us know what the results are so we can tell others.
Grainfather? Will you be able to connect it to their cloud system like the Brewbrain? I like my Brewbrain, but never liked the threads. I also like the fact you can fully dismantle it compared to Brewbrain that is glued in place.
Not Grainfather as they are a closed system. Our rapt products will connect with Brewfather software though so I would recommend using that brew software.
Will there be an api so we can integrate with other products?
Another nice product. Will this be I integrated into brewing apps like brewfather?
this is likely to happen when we release the API and this will be middle of next year.
Does AP mode time out if you’re in calibration mode? 10 minutes might be rushing it if I want to do an advanced calibration using the wort. Thanks
Yes. It will timeout if you do nothing. With that said while you are in the ap mode you can push a button to extend the 10min.
When I try to calibrate the rapt pill for the first time, it disconnect from the wifi the minute it is not on charge so I cannot charge... is there something i'm doing wrong?
Yes the battery is probably not in the cradle correctly. Make sure to remove the blue plastic tabs. If that doesnt work remove the battery and bend the terminals closer to the battery so they make a tighter connection with the battery. One of these things will fix the issue.
HI CAN I USE THIS WITH MAKING SPIRIT WASHES?
If you use this instead of viagra, does it illuminate your Joinnie degree angle?
What about different water profiles? Do the minerals not change the gravity enough to be significant?
No the water chemistry really makes so little difference it's not measurable.
Hi!
I like to ferment in a corny keg and then quick carb in the same keg. How much pressure can the pill take safely before the beer enter inside the hydrometer.
Thanks
The pill can handle more than 10 bar so it can handle way more pressure than your fermenter or most kegs are rated for
Is it compatible with Brewfather?
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Is it possible to get the reading directly from the RAPT Pill to the phone via bluetooth or wifi? WHat I mean is can I pair the RAPT Pill directly with a phone annd take one off reading. This would be usefull in case if fermenter is not in the reach of the router and I don't need to have continuous tracking.
No, sorry. You need to be connected by WiFI or Bluetooth (to a RAPT device like a temp controller)
If the pill isnt staying in AP mode after you pull the USB cable.. how the heck do you debug it so it does what its supposed to.. As soon as i pull the usb cable it turns off and goes into sleep mode again.. its alive - the green led blinks sometimes. But it wont stay in AP mode.
Hey mate - check the user manual for step by step instructions: www.kegland.com.au/cdn/shop/files/KL20596_-_RAPT_Pill_Hydrometer_and_Thermometer_Quick_Start_Guide.pdf?v=12726582807756591403
@@KegLand yeah i figured out what it was, but its not covered in your manual. The battery was so low that the built in charger couldn't trickle charge it to a point where it took charge. So i had to plop it into a safety charger for lipo cells and recover it.
The device had prob sat on a shelf for waaay to long. I told the reseller that they should check their devices in storage.
Awesome! Really like that it connects direct to the wifi network. I've been using the tilt and I do like it but I have to leave an old iphone unlocked and constantly on charge close to my fermenter so it records the data. Will you be offering integration with Brewfather as this would be the most important thing for me in if I was going to order one when they're available in the US.
Yes we will eventually have integration with Brewfather. This will happen in the comming months.
I was having a tilt, those products are awesome, but you can't rely on them to know the SG, due to yeast debris attaching to it. It's a great tools to see when the temperature evolution or when the gravity stop to evolve. But you can't really base your fermentation temperature on this, right? Or because it's bigger it's less affected? Also, can you connect those data with brewfather?
We definitely find that the larger the unit does seem to withstand more krud stuck to the surface. I also shake my fermenter every few days and this tends to wash all the krud off the surface and give me very accurate results so you might want to try that.
@@KegLand You shake it only in the first few days? I was thinking this would prevent trub to sink?
Why were the blue tabs on the battery never mentioned? Thought I was charging it for 24h (red charging light was still on, but rapidly flashing) and turns out I had to take out the battery and the blue tabs. Really disappointed I won't be able to use it for my brew day now.
Sorry about that. We only started putting in the blue tabs after this video was released.
Hi sorry if this has already been asked/answered but does it need to be calibrated before each uses or just the first use?
No you do not need to do the calibration every time. A lot of people do it before every use but it's not essencial.
Nice does it show the end product abv?
This is in the RAPT Portal (calculated from SG and FG)
When might we get some early info on upcoming products? I'm very interested in a "half size" fermentation chamber for my 30l all-rounder and would be happy to be a beta tester for that!
What sort of data would you be hoping for a RAPT kettle? Pre-boil gravity, pH, and things like that?
Finally, any idea when you are getting more PBW back in stock? I'm almost due to empty a fermentor and don't want to use an inferior cleaner.
The half sized fermzilla is something we discussed in the meeting today. We have a new Fermzilla Gen 3 that is going to get finished first and once this is released we will then start working on this smaller sized fermzilla.
For the RAPT boilers this has other advantages. For instance as our RAPT products can receive BLE beacons from other BLE devices what we can do is pickup on several different temperatures so that we can brew smarter. For instance if we are mashing we can have a BLE probe in the middle of he mash/malt pipe and use this temperature to determine when to turn the heating on or off. We can also put a temp prove in the distillation head and in the coolant water so we can better control the distillation process.
@@KegLand a lot of homebrewers brew 20-23L, would be good to have an all rounder that comfortably (without slightly tilting the FV) fits into an undercounter fridge. Alternatively, send those RAPT fridges to the UK, I'll buy one ;) (Do the RAPT fridges heat as well as cool, I've recently purchased a Series X, but it's really cold over here, so struggling to get it over 4C. I'm hooking up an Inkbird and tube heater this weekend as I'm worried my beer could freeze when the weather gets below -2C) 🍻
@@RustyHomebrew Yes the RAPT fermentation chambers do heating and cooling. We are sending the RAPT fridges to the UK but that the moment we just cannot make enough stock so we are trying to ramp up manufacturing speed so we can get stock out a bit quicker.
Amazing tech and wonderful depth of knowledge and passion. How do these devices cope with getting hung up in the krausen? I guess you get an imperfect result until the krausen has reduced?
1st thing I thought of as well
Krausen definitely can cause issues with all of these devices. If you have a clear fermenter like the FermZilla you can easily see this when it happens and give the whole fermenter a shake. If you shake your fermenter it breaks up the krausen and dry hops and this greatly improves the results. It also tends to wash off the lumps off the side wall of the fermenter and off the pill and makes the chunks settle down to the bottom of the fermenter. I am a fan of shaking to be honest. As long as I do not have oxygen in the head space I have no issue with shaking the fermenter.
Very interested. Whats the difference between the base model and other one?
Pity not available until 2022 basically...looks just as good if not superior to the Tilt and ispindel. When the firmware is updated will be fabulous.
Would be nice to see some nice graphs. How often does the unit send signals at what intervals? Are the changes available in custom calibration...??
overall appears well thought out, nice job.👍👊
We only have one model which can do bluetooth or wifi and you go into the settings to choose which one you are going to use.
The telemetry frequency is 30min by default but you can change this to what you like in the settings. For checking gravity if you reduce the telemetry frequency to 6hrs the battery will last way longer. I should have mentioned that in the video. For gravity checking its not that useful to be checking more than every 6hrs anyway.
Yes I would say the product is superior to the Tilt but as you can imagine I am a bit biased.
Hi Kee!
Do you know, or even can you reveal, if there are any form of "digital spounding valves" in the pipeline? A combination of the pill, the heater/cooler-rapt-box-thingy, and a digital/smart adjustable spounding valve, and i would certainly throw some money your way :D
We do already sell a digital gauge that you can fit into our blowtie unit so this would essencially make the spunding valve digital. We are doing some research into another device that will do a similar thing too and actually control the gas flow but this is still a little way off.
Fully charged, registerd and calibrated, but cannot find a way to get any info out of the thing. Just a 'No data has been received from your device' message. Most of the buttons on the interface do nothing, and in any case their intended functions are unclear. This device has such great potential, but let down by a clunky interface and a shortage of instructions.
There's an online user manual with comprehensive troubleshooting. Also, beer@kegland.com.au - talk to an expert!
I’m trying to connect to the pill lately, and it asks me for password. I don’t remember that I set an one. How can I reset the pill?
Please refer to the manual for troubleshooting, or contact customer service
Hopefully the housing doesn't deform under pressure... I ruined more than one ispindel using it during pressure fermentation.
The housings are made from Nylon 12 and POK so they are virtually bulletproof. We have tested the housing to over 10Bar and it holds fine.
@@KegLand It is really when the pressure is released that the problem arrose in the iSpindel. It was sitting there floating and then the pressure dropped, the top deformed and it sank straight to the bottom. And I was like "shit!"
good afternoon kee, i'm trying to configure my rapt and i couldn't use it unplugged when I take it out of the cable it turns off and doesn't turn on, it's already charged and I've already tested it, I don't know what to do
If there is any chance that you have unplugged the cable while it was doing an update to the firmware then you might find it will have a corrupt firmware version. These have two partitions to hold the new firmware and the previous firmware. If you the new firmware gets corrupt then it will automatically try to revert to the older installed firmware.
I would charge again and make sure the place you are charging has good wifi connection. When you plug into charger it will automatically look for firmware to update and then automatically overwrite a corrupt firmware if this is what has happened.
Does it work in the 58L kegmenter? Tryed some other ''pills'' and they dont gets throu the stainless steel
We have had people successfully use these with the 58L kegmenter and still get a wifi signal through the fermenter. The main issues with getting signal out has been the double walled fermenters not the single walled fermenters. It's still a good idea to get a wifi range extender if you can though as this makes a big difference.
I received mine yesterday, and I find it extremely difficult to get the two halves screwed together. Almost like the threads aren't lined up. One half doesn''t screw on "flush" to the other half.
For this produce we had to use a fine thread form. As a result of this it's possible that you might have cross threaded the two parts of the housing. If you ordered from us in Australia then if you just let our customer service team they will probably just throw another free housing on your next order with us.
I do find if the o-rings are lubricated it also is easy to screw on so if you have already lubricated and you are using signficant force I would say it's cross threaded.
@@KegLand mine arrived in the mail today and is also doing this. You can see that the two halves are slightly off
Great product, can't wait for them to reach us here in South Africa. Are these units pressure rated for fermentation under pressure?
yes you can absolutely use them undre pressure. Just be aware that pressure will effect the gravity reading slightly.
@@KegLand Do you know at what psi the gravity reading starts to be compromised? Also is there a mathematical formula to adjust the gravity output for pressure?
Can I use this via Bluetooth on my phone if I ferment in an area where I can’t get wifi, if so how is the Bluetooth paired with a phone?
We might make a phone app in the future so you can read the bluetooth with a phone but it's really not the best way to get the most out of the system. Generally speaking if you do not have a phone then the best way to get a bluetooth reading is to use the temp controller box or rapt chamber than will display the bluetooth data on this screen.
@@KegLand A phone app for using bluetooth would be more than helpful. I don't need all the bells and whistles... just basic hydrometer readings. Had I been aware before purchasing that this was not the case I would've opted out. Setting up wi-fi is a pain in the ass on this device.
I have a couple questions as a none Fecebooker, How do you turn the unit off and is simply clicking 'pair' enough to switch on the bluetooth and switch off the wifi? i hope not because I have the rapt temp monitor and the pill is paired but haven't received any data at all from the pill in the 3 days it was in the fridge
We are just about to release a new firmware for the RAPT pill and tempcontroller. So once this upgrade is done you will be able to pair the pill and temp controller together using bluetooth. We will bring out an instruction video on this process when this new firmware is available.
@@KegLand Ahhh... I actually knew that the firmware wasn't ready at release but totally forgot about it haha, legends... I have to say it is a cool piece of gear that I am really looking forward to using to it's full potential!
Are you able to help me setting up a fermentation profile using the specific gravity to activate steps?
My rapt pill is bonded to my temperature controller, but it is not showing as bonded from the browser.
I have deleted and reconnected multiple times, factory reset, tried a different order of connection, but the web interface ignores the existing bond.
Are you sure you have the seal in the correct position? The racking arm seal should be on the outside of the vessel.
Also the lid seal should fit in one orientation better than the other. The top edge is tapered/rounded slightly and this fits into the lid better without falling out so you have to get this part right.
G'day. My awesome wife has just given me one of these for my birthday. I can't seem to screw the cap on past the 1st o-ring. In the video is looks like it's screwed all the way down to the clear plastic. I don't want screw it any tighter in fears of cracking the yellow cap. Am I doing something wrong?
You probably have a crossed thread. Are the two halves going on straight? It might be worth sending a photo or video to our customer service team.
@@KegLand nah I don't think that I'm cross threading it, both halves are screwing on even, it just goes tight once it reaches the 1st O-Ring. I'll send a video in the next couple days
@kegland If you are reading comments, here are few from a person who works in software development landscape. I bought your RAPT pill one week ago and here is my findings so far:
Starting to use the rapt pill can be VERY confusing for the end-user, since nothing will appear on the APP section until the very first telemetry is sent out. This is not mentioned anywhere, not in this video or anywhere where normal end-user would start digging from. My suggestion is that your first telemetry sending should not wait for that initial 60 minutes, instead the very first one should be sent immediately when a new profile is started. Other option is to highlight this VERY clearly that user can manually send the telemetry when "testing" the device. I ended up adding / removing / resetting the device multiple times until I understood that there is this telemetry functionality in the rapt pill diagnostics page.
Other very user friendly feature would be.. again related to this telemetry, that when user starts calibration process, that during calibration process, you send telemetry for example every 30 seconds as an "built in" functionality. This would be nice kind of automated process also for the end user to see from the APP that the device is actually working correctly and can see that the dashboard is showing data.
You also have a lot of "naming conventions" that are incorrect. Example.. in the user interface of the APP you have "Verification code" and in the Rapt pill you use "User code" ... So these kind of very simple things can be confusing for people who are not so technical.
Just my few cents for you guys.
Hello Lauri. We agree with that and next week we will have another firmware update that will be available that will resolve some of these issues. I think we forgot to fix the descrepency in the naming of verification code but that is a good point and we will fix this up in the next firmware release. Thanks for the feedback. We really appreciate it.
@@KegLand Nice to hear. "Problem" is that your device is too solid and works out of the box and when there is nothing to see yet, users think that it does not work, even though everything works like a charm.. /cheers :) I am already hooked and keep staring my fermentation process :D
Just an idea
How about making 2 different advanced calibration options. One for the regular gravity beers of like 1060 and another "high gravity advanced calibration" option for a higher gravity wort.
Don't know if that's a good idea or not.
Maybe just having the option to have 3 calibration points in the advanced calibration. Maybe that helps.
We do already have multi point calibration but to be honest the single point basic calibration is already quite good. I would just use the simple method first and I am pretty sure you will find this accurate enough.
Will it work in a stainless steel fermenter? Meaning will the Bluetooth or wifi connect through the steel?
Yes the BLE and Wifi signal both seem to get through stainless steel but you lose about 40% of signal strenght straight away. As a result you need to have a good signal stregth near your fermenter area or use another RAPT product that is acting as a BLE gateway.
it would be great if you develop a 1.5 TC MODEL, with out the floating and more stability, similar to the plaato device ( they don’t care about homebrewers with stainless steel conicals and unitanks) oh well i think i’m going to keep on using my antor paar easydens
Yes I agree that we probably need another separate device for large commercial fermenters.
Can I hook the RAPT Pill to my Home Assistant to read sensor data?
We are working on this at the moment so it's likely that this will be possible later this year.
I just received a RAPT Pill. Watched this video a number of times. Not once did it mention the password to login to the Pill AP. The packet it came in doesn't have it. I couldn't find it on the Kegland website. I rang up and the dude told me what it was and said it was on the website. I now know it, but how many others can't find it? What is the website where it's mentioned?
We put a QR code on the packaging. If you scan this QR code it will take you to the product page and then on this page you will see the "quick start guide" and the password is outlined in this guide.
As we are frequently updating the firmware for the pill with more features and optimising the registration process we thought that it would be better for us to have a PDF downloadable copy that is accessable via a link rather than hard copy with the actual pill itself. This also saves landfill and paper too.
What is the pressure limits?
The pill can handle 10bar (so signficaintly more than your fermenter can hold)
Doing my first sour and have a heap of fruit in a bag in by 30l allrounder. How will that affect it floating?
If the bag or other solids are in contact with one part of the pill it's generaly not a problem. It's when you have 2 or 3 bits of bag or other solid objects touching the pill that it seems to effect gravity.
@@KegLand well, I am doing another sour this time with the pill. As I thought, it went from 1.020 to 1.000 as I believe the bag interferes with it
@@stewartmanders2291 Thanks for that. If the bag is in contact with just the pill itself it will probably be ok. If the pill is touching both the bag and the wall of the fermenter you will quite likely get an incorrect reading because of this.
It's just telling me that it provides no data after registration.
Probably not registered properly. Contact the office if you have issues
I have a few Brewbrain Floats that I opted for over the tilt as they integrated via WiFi. They work well but the thread is an issue and they seldom work in Kegmenters. I'm waiting for the next batch of RAPT Pills and will also get the external antenna. Can you integrate these devices into Brewfather?
We are not releasing the API until mid 2022 so after this point we will be able to integrate with Brewfather. Hope you enjoy using the product. When we designed this board we did a lot of testing to optimise the internal antenna in a proper RF Laboratory. As a result the reception with the stock Pill is quite good. When we tried the external antenna on the Pill (our pill has a socket for this but a bridge has to be removed) the larger external antenna was worse than the optimised printed PCB antenna.
@@KegLand Even better. As soon as they are available again I will grab one and check it out. The Brewfather integration isn't a deal breaker for me.
can u sort this out and make it easy U said in the video we can change the back end well doo something like the left hand side add new brew and the right hand side calabration can u put this in an app? it is not easy to use for eg brew1 brew 2 brew 3 there should be a list as easy to create and to look at old brews like brew tracker for recipes TY
Sorry I do not quite understand the question. We do have a profile on the RAPT portal now so each time you ferment if you start a profile the profile will be saved as a separate brew on the RAPT portal so you can refer to this later.
@@KegLand I do not under stand either how can you calibrate this product through the web site. do i have to calibrate through the phone? wow amazing ley a bit crap. do not know what the ip adress is as i do not seam to be able to set it to static ip
or do i need to un register and re regester and no we do not get what you mean please explain
Will this work when fermenting under pressure?
This is fine. The pill housing can handle up to 10 bar so way more than most fermenters can hold.
I'm still struggling to connect the rapt fermentation chamber to my WiFi and upload or download fermentation profiles. Definitely a bug that needs to be fixed. Currently using manual settings
Can you please contact our customer service team so we can assist you. With these wifi connected devices you need to make sure you have the 2.4ghz network turned on your router as they cannot connect to 5ghz. You need to make sure you are getting a good strong signal. Once you have it connected to wifi then you should be able to connect the device to your particular RAPT login/account.
@@KegLand thanks for replying I will contact support. Cheers
Can this be used when pressure fermenting?
Yes absolutely. the Pill hydrometer can handle up to 10bar pressure. So way more than your fermenter can hold. Just be aware that as CO2 dissolves into the beer this will effect the accuracy of the gravity readings slightly.
I dont get a user or validation code? I am connected to the wifi as I can see the IP address on my network.
It is probably worth you contacting us with your MAC address and we can look into this for you.
OK working today, looks like the website was down.
How do you connect the pill to your phone through Bluetooth?
This is not the intention for the bluetooth. We may make a phone app in the future that you can use but ultimately it's only useful if you are near the fermenter. The pill has been designed so you can connect directly to wifi or alternatively use another RAPT device to act as a bluetooth bridge.
@@KegLand thanks for clarifying!
Looks awesome! Tried to get one the other week but wasn't fast enough!
Yes sorry they sold out in a number of minutes.
Kegland you would have been better off waiting to release this video once you had it in stock.
@@jonathanmcdonald1101 Yes I kinda agree. the only issue is a lot of customers wanted us to release the video as they wanted the video instructions on how to calibrate and connect to the network. We get a lot of customers who do not like PDF instruction sheet and prefer video instruction.
How do you switch the RAPT pill on if I want to use it?
It automatically turns on. If you have it siting on the bench horizontally it will go into sleep mode but as soon as you move it to any angle from about 10degree to 85degree it will wake up.
The Tilt has a good feature where you can use a Raspberry Pi as a bluetooth bridge. Any plans for something like that? Seems like a good way to save battery life! That and Brewfather integration and I'm sold :)
It's cheaper just to purchase the RAPT Temp controller box and use this as the bluetooth bridge. I mean we could make some software that would enable you to use the PI but we have not had many requests for this yet. The brewfather integration is almost finished and should be live soon.
how do they handle with heavily dry hopped beers?
Withing about 24hr of when the dry hops are added this effects the results. With that said once the hops fall to the bottom of the fermenter the problem solves itself after 1-2 days. We have noticed if you shake the fermenter this breaks up the floating hops and makes them fall down to the bottom of the fermenter faster so this does help the situation.
13:04 How many hands do you have!?
When do you think these will be available in NZ?
Probably Jan/Feb.
Hey, can this device be used in a wort that is sitting at 60-70 degrees C?
Hi John, it seems to be an unanswerable question, too difficult to answer. Please would you give the kegland team and easier question to answer?
the housing and circuit board will be fine and these can easily handle boiling water. the only issue is the 18650 battery. As you get hotter the battery will degrade faster. At 60-70C you can expect the Li-Ion battery to only last a couple hundred charge cycles rather than a couple thousand. So provided you are prepared to replace your battery more frequently it will be fine.
Will this be able to sync up with Brewfather?
Yes this integration is almost finished. I think the brewfather integration should be working next week.
When are they restocked? Have been wanting one for awhile now
Sorry about that. They are selling faster than we can make them at the moment.
Will this be available in the EU - Denmark soon?
These will be available in Eu soon.
Can you use this under pressure?
Yes absoltely. We have done testing up to 8 bar and it works fine. When under pressure the main thing to be aware of is that when CO2 dissolves into the solution this changes the gravity of the liquid so you have to keep that in mind when looking at the readins. It's only a small factor but it's important that you are aware of this when using the Pill under pressure.
Can we get this in the US yet? Are the Aliexpress ones legit from you? I don't want to buy some knockoff. Thanks
We are not yet shipping these to the USA but you can purchase Aliexpress ones that are the genuine article. here is the link:
www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003638804716.html
The fact that this *doesn't* fit in a standard glass carboy breaks my heart :'( What I would give for someone to design something that did...
What, you are still using glass? I thought that glass went out years ago. Get a FermZilla all rounder!