Finland's INFAMOUS cavalry unit | The Hakkapeliitta

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Komentáře • 245

  • @ramilepisto1323
    @ramilepisto1323 Před 2 lety +213

    My Polish friend told me some years ago, it´s still an old habit in some places around Poland to threaten naughty kids with Finns - cause of Hakkapeliittas! 😅 "If you don´t eat your veggies - the Finns will come and take you away..."

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před 2 lety +28

      Haha that's fantastic! 🤣

    • @omegacrypt1890
      @omegacrypt1890 Před 2 lety +8

      I read, that the Polish Hussars were another fierce cavalry unit, with a successful track record in terms of battles and a distinct evolution. They also were active longer, than the Hakkapeliitta. I've also read, that the Kingdom of Sweden and Poles faced each other in battle, of which Poland has won battles with a large numeral disadvantages. These battles happened during the time of the Hakkapeliitta and Hussars, for eg. Battle of Klushino, Battle of Kircholm. Also the Polish-Swedish War (1626-1629), so both cavalry units would've faced each other in battle. Do you know, why people in Poland refer to Hakkapeliitta? One would think the Polish Hussars would have more cultural significance and value in Poland, than the Finnish Hakkapeliitta? Can you shed more light on this?

    • @omegacrypt1890
      @omegacrypt1890 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ramilepisto1323 No problem, thanks.

    • @mikaellilliestrom
      @mikaellilliestrom Před 2 lety +5

      My great uncle told the same story when he was visting poland and DDR

    • @insertusername9755
      @insertusername9755 Před 2 lety +1

      Lmao WHAT

  • @Anttimation
    @Anttimation Před 2 lety +122

    Great topic again! They say that apart from "hakkaa päälle", they were generally silent in battle, which made them more terrifying. And although they are the best known Finnish unit of the Swedish army from the period it's worth noting that most Finnish soldiers were infantry.

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před 2 lety +33

      Swift like a coarsing river! I went down a rabbit hole looking at that breed of horse "Finnhorse" Such an Irish thing to be fond of horses! 😅🤦🏼‍♂️

    • @marialindell9874
      @marialindell9874 Před 2 lety +6

      @@IrishinFinland Would you be interested in making a short-ish video on Finnhorses now that thry have impressed you?
      Finnhorses are a _lightweight draft_ breed bred to to _everything._
      Finnish equestrians have a passive aggressive joke.
      Thoroughbred owner: Oh, he stepped.
      Finnhorse owner: Stepped?!
      Thoroughbred owner: Yeah... He stepped and sent himself to the vet. Doesn't your horse do that?
      Finnhorse owner: No... she last went to get checked like three years ago for her height measurement... How much are you in debt?
      Thoroughbred owner: **GULPS** 😳

    • @dabtican4953
      @dabtican4953 Před 2 lety +2

      I heard the Roman Legionnaires also liked to be silent because of intimidation

    • @Anttimation
      @Anttimation Před 2 lety +6

      @Aimo Koivunen "the Swedes fought bravely to the very last Finn" - Don't know where this phrase originates. Both sad and funny, in a twisted way.

    • @EilifRobert
      @EilifRobert Před 2 lety +2

      @@Anttimation It originated in Finland in the 20tieth century and has no historical accuracy!

  • @emil4290
    @emil4290 Před 2 lety +16

    this hakkaa päälle saying have used even nowadays . Finnish hockey player Noora Räty had to cover the text of her helmet "hakkaa päälle" during the Olympics in 2014, because for some reason it didn't be appropriate of the Olympic Committee

  • @ChaplainBald
    @ChaplainBald Před 2 lety +48

    It was said by their enemies that the Hakkapeliitta were invulnerable because of witchcraft; prayers said in Roman Catholic churches in Germany during the Thirty Years’ War specifically mention them:
    “A horribile Haccapaelitorum agmine libera nos, Domine”.
    (“O Lord, deliver us from the terrible army of the Haccapelites”)

  • @Memes-XD
    @Memes-XD Před 2 lety +72

    i love how an irish person teaches us finns about finland more than any finnish teacher ever did.

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před 2 lety +10

      I appreciate this comment ❤ I'm just happy people like me nerding out over history 🤣🤟🏼

    • @blackcoffeebeans6100
      @blackcoffeebeans6100 Před 2 lety +4

      Me too. I learned a lot of our history through these videos.

    • @onerva0001
      @onerva0001 Před 2 lety +6

      You must have skipped the history classes in school then

    • @Birkarl_
      @Birkarl_ Před 2 lety +11

      Koita kohdistaa kiitollisuutesi tätä kanavaa kohtaan lisäksi myös vihaa opetusministeriötä kohtaan tämän asian takia. Puhu ympärillä oleville ihmisille kuinka outoa se on.

    • @walkingslow6286
      @walkingslow6286 Před 2 lety +4

      Actually many teachers do their job, but many of them don't. One can only imagine why that is. They should all be equally well trained 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @yorkaturr
    @yorkaturr Před 2 lety +43

    Fun little fact. During that time period it was common for soldiers to receive a short and descriptive soldier name in the Swedish army, because Finns didn't have proper surnames at the time (they would use unofficial patronyms such as "Iisakinpoika" or something). Many of them were adopted as proper surnames after their service, and are still in use to this today. A typical "sotilasnimi" is a single syllable Swedish word that is either descriptive of the soldier's characteristics ("Brisk", "Quick", "Brave", "Strong" or something) or it has a manly military motif ("Steel", "Sword", "Shield", "Hammer" etc). I myself have one of those surnames, so it quite often makes me imagine what my great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather did to earn his name.

    • @jussitoivanen5097
      @jussitoivanen5097 Před 2 měsíci

      East Finns had surnames already in the middle ages. Western Finns are a different story.

  • @Pyllymysli
    @Pyllymysli Před 2 lety +32

    "Hakkaa päälle pohjan poika" "Cut them down son of north!" It would directly translate to "Beat upon them" or similar but cut them down is the agreed upon translation. Couple fun facts. The famous war cry was the only thing they shouted during battle, other units screaming usually through the whole fight. Hakkapeliittas after this war cry would fight mostly in silence, orders and instructions excluded. This was found unnerving by some. "Hakkaa päälle!" is _to date_ the agreed upon Finnish war cry, people still use it. Luckily not in combat for some time since we've been blessed with peace. Also their famous charge is a one off during their time, since cavalry charges weren't that common. Cavalry would usually work more like dragoons where they would ride to an location, dismount and start firing their carbines. They might also fire mounted, but this usually ment they'd retreat to reload their carbines, then cycle. Some armies used lancers as a dedicated assault cavalry, but the nature of their main weapon meant that they wouldn't carry firearms. These things combined, the silent fighting and their charge, earned Hakkapeliittas their terrifying reputation.

  • @MooseDuckVlogs
    @MooseDuckVlogs Před 2 lety +9

    Another Historic moment....I know Finland is great in Hockey,Language and it's mythology but never knew of Hakkapellita Thank you Kiittos from Nova Scotia Canada.

    • @Tapio86
      @Tapio86 Před 2 lety +1

      You will find the name on Nokian tyres!

  • @jorluo
    @jorluo Před 2 lety +34

    After firing their pistols and exposing their swords the Hakkapeliitta used to attack the enemy front in a very tight wedge formation, so that the knee of every rider was in touch to the back of the knee of the next rider. After the battles of Burgstall and Werben, Gustav II Adolf placed the Hakkapeliitta in a place of honor, on the far right wing of the first battle line, as long as he lived. - The watch lists retained in the archives provide accurate information on the size of the horses used in the battles. The Finnhorses in those days were really small. Cavalrymen's horses were about 104 - 129 cm (the height of the horse was measured behind the saddle in the 17th century), like the size of a weaning age foal today. Officers' horses were about 129 - 140 cm. The average size of a Finnhorse today is 157 - 158 cm. The horses of the enemy, the European cavalry horses in the 17th century, were 20 - 30 cm higher than the Finnhorses of the Hakkapeliitta.

  • @tuoppi42
    @tuoppi42 Před 2 lety +33

    Long time ago, I was on a work trip in Germany, near Frankfurt. I am not completely certain if it was Wurtzburg I visited with my colleague; castle was closed for the day already. There was a plaque outside telling brief history of the place - to my surprise, it was said to been conquered by Finns. I don't know if they didn't want to credit Swedes or if they wanted to credit the folks who did the hard work, or if they really did want to credit anyone for it.
    Later, a friend of mine better informed in military history than me, said that it was likely Mariemberg fortress that I visited, and told more about how Finns were put into use not only as combat asset, but also as a terror weapon - spreading stories on how they ride wolves in the night and eat little children.
    I've also heard stories on how terrible Hakkapeliitta way of fighting was on the receiving end; the local professional armies had gotten used to more gentleman way of fighting wars with lunch breaks and somewhat formal shooting from lines and not really having serious casualties, and suddenly there is enemy that comes up close and personal, killing and maiming.

    • @ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681
      @ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 Před 2 lety +13

      Another story from Poland told how the "horrible swedish cavalry" had annihilated the local defenders and how some prayers still asked protection from Hakkapeliitta.
      The diplomatic finnish tourists just answered: We dont like the swedish either. :-D

    • @riikkaalanen3429
      @riikkaalanen3429 Před rokem

      It’s in Wurzburg. Lovely city, absolutely wonderful. I visited the castle many years ago 😊

    • @AdvocatusDiaboliFin
      @AdvocatusDiaboliFin Před rokem

      Revi ja raavi. Kunnes tulee valmista.

  • @FastLegs
    @FastLegs Před 2 lety +8

    I served my military conscription in 2008, Lappeenranta Rakuunaeskadroona, as a military police NCO. The unit carried on the tradition of the 30 years war and hakkapeliitta. After the boot-camp instead of the standard jaeger rank you would be given a dragoon (rakuuna) rank and so on. We had history lessons of the 30 year war battles for example. Not the usual experience for a conscript 😁. Nowadays the unit is no more, but then again it was disbanded for 15-20 years before us so...
    In WW2 Finland, the horse charging was still a thing btw, but it was only used in a very few battles. The horse would charge and fall down on it's side and the rider comes on top of it to aim and shoot.
    We were also the only unit that could officially use the war cry "HAKKAA PÄÄLLE" in Finnish Defense Forces. The Finnish National football team fans use it as well.

  • @kallekonttinen1738
    @kallekonttinen1738 Před 2 lety +44

    Every summer (at least before kovid) there is Hakkapeliitta days at Tammela which brans itself as an Hakkapeliitta county. Days are full of Hakkapeliitta action with staged barfights with musketeers, Sahti (old Finnish strong beer like drink) and firing of old cannons..

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před 2 lety +9

      Fantastic! Need to look into that for next summer hopefully

    • @holoholopainen1627
      @holoholopainen1627 Před 2 lety +2

      HAKKAME PEALE - says Estonian - before startig to Do something ! Suomeksi ALOITETAAN !

  • @sampohonkala4195
    @sampohonkala4195 Před 2 lety +23

    The reason for their success was that Gustavus Adolphus was pushing his army to develop their tactics, and the light cavalry did. Before, the cavalry was usually used in a different way: it would ride at close distance, shoot once and turn around to reload. And then repeating it. The men were often noblemen not so interested in getting killed in battle, therefore returning to reload suited well. The Hakkapeliitta used a tactic less fancy, because they were simple men with horses that would not learn tricks: they simply rode into the formations of the enemy, trying to shoot as many as they could before taking the sword. Once they had started the charge they would not stop nor turn around.

    • @eerikmatero2864
      @eerikmatero2864 Před 2 lety +5

      It's not that straightforward as you make it out to be. The Swedish (there is really no distinction between Finnish raised and Swedish raised cavalry regiments, as the equipment, leaders and tactics are literally the same on regiments raised in Tavastia as are in the regiments raised in Götland) light cavalry used the caracole tactic also that you described, as it was the modern military standard at the time. However this tactic didn't work when the Swedish army encountered the Polish cavalry during the three decade long Swedish-Polish wars that were fought just before the 30-year war. The Polish Hussar cavalry had maintained the old medieval charge tradition in their cavalry and perfected it and used it aggressively. The cavalry engagements between the two forces were the Swedes trying to use the caracole and the Hussars countered this by charging in and beating the Swedes in the charge and close melee.
      The Swedes had used the caracole during beginning of the war, but they started to adapt their cavalry tactics as they encountered hussars and the aggressive tactic that they used. This happened really late as the Swedes only started changing their cavalry tactic at the end of the Polish-Swedish war and you can see the change later in the war and a good tipping point is the Battle of Dirschau, where Gustavus Adolphus deliberately used his cavalry in an aggressive way and it was the first time that the Swedes actually managed to win against the famed Polish cavalry.

  • @TheZeppiZ
    @TheZeppiZ Před rokem +5

    One reason why Hakkapeliittas were feared/hated was because they didn't take prisoners or surrender, which was rather uncommon in that era.

  • @tonarsilverwolf6485
    @tonarsilverwolf6485 Před 2 lety +29

    Sabaton needs to make a song about these guys some day

    • @colincrowley6537
      @colincrowley6537 Před 2 lety +5

      "...And then the Hakkapiilitta arrived, hacking every Russian in sight" lol

    • @aleksiheija8170
      @aleksiheija8170 Před 2 lety +11

      I can imagine The start of The song. As you might know Hakkapeliitta were notoriously silent when they started their charge. So imagine If you will. Lonely drums at the start that sound like horses charging. Then they get louder and louder as if they were charging towards you. Then Joakim yells in Finnish "Hakkaa päälle" and then The song starts.

    • @colincrowley6537
      @colincrowley6537 Před 2 lety +6

      @@aleksiheija8170 they have already written songs about Talvisota, Simo Häyhä and Lauri Torni so it's very possible but they seem obsessed with WW1 right now. Even though the centennial mark has already passed.

  • @davestrasburg408
    @davestrasburg408 Před rokem +3

    This was great, about Finland in the Thirty Years War. "Hakkaa päälle" is a common expression in Finnish, usually with the addition, "Hakkaa päälle Suomen poika" - "go for it, Finnish boy!"

  • @leopartanen9431
    @leopartanen9431 Před 2 lety +11

    "Hakkaa päälle!" is hard to translate, but for example "Strike upon them!" or "Thrash them down!" would be pretty similar by meaning. Hakkaa = beat, thrash, päälle = on, upon.

    • @hdahlia
      @hdahlia Před 2 lety +4

      Great options! I believe something along the lines of "Lay (a) trashing upon them!" would be pretty accurate, in terms of a more literal translation.

  • @Trophybow1
    @Trophybow1 Před 2 lety +10

    Nice topic! It is good and fair job to share this part of Finnish history too and speak also about the Finnhorse. Our only breed which is great horse for all kind of jobs. (Even for horseback archery 😉) And Finnhorse was in very imortant role during the WW2 also. And what i have read about the breed, It has more dna-heritage from old Asian wild horses (Mongolian horse) than for example Swedish and other European horse breeds have. That is also quite interesting thing too. Keep up making videos.

  • @kehtux
    @kehtux Před 2 lety +23

    I remember hearing a story of how they were squatting down in some woods waiting for an attack and some Swedish general came by. The soldiers had their behinds exposed and he wasn't happy, but the Finnish officer assured him by saying "The enemy will never see our men's asses".

  • @evatanen
    @evatanen Před 2 lety +104

    From those days the swedes have this figure of speech that "Sweden will fight tenaciously and valiantly to the very last Finn."

    • @XtreeM_FaiL
      @XtreeM_FaiL Před 2 lety +4

      Not sure that the Swedes said that.

    • @evatanen
      @evatanen Před 2 lety +24

      @@XtreeM_FaiL Well, I heard it from a swede.

    • @hnorrstrom
      @hnorrstrom Před 2 lety

      I heard it a few times. But then I am a history nerd. No regular person would understand it.

    • @motokid1492
      @motokid1492 Před 2 lety +2

      But yet our goverment abandoned them in the winter war.

    • @neigung
      @neigung Před 2 lety +2

      sweden hasn't had any warrior since the viking era so off course there not going to fight

  • @roykosonen8197
    @roykosonen8197 Před rokem +2

    Back in those times my father's family were "rustholl" landowners in Savo province. This meant that they had an obligation to provide at least one horse and fully-equipped rider to the Swedish cavalry in lieu of paying taxes. If the landowner couldn't afford to do this then either he or one of his sons would have to fulfill the duty. Also about the Finnish horses: they served in World War II as pullers of artillery on the front lines. My father was an artilleryman in the Finnish Army during that time and he told me about them. After the war ended the surviving horses were returned to their farmers - the train would stop at the station, the horse was let out and found its way back home. Today the Finnish horse is a beloved and protected national treasure.

  • @janijoutjarvi
    @janijoutjarvi Před 2 lety +6

    Great topic.. hakkapelliitat were terrifying troops and interesting too..

  • @riippumatonlinja
    @riippumatonlinja Před 2 lety +12

    About that time, swedish invention was leather bounded cannon. Composite leather around iron pipe made cannons very much ligher and safer to users than others in their time. Thats why these were great advantage for cavalry when most other guns were very heavy and unsafe iron on very expensive gun metal(tin, copper etc expensive metal combound).
    About hakkaa päälle yell, perhaps its easier to explain both words diffirently. Hakkaa, is command form of base word hakata what mean hit or cut in meaning like hakkaa polttopuuta = cut firewood. Päälle in this meaning is to assault. but its also form of päällä base form what means on something, like kaapin päällä=on top of the cabinet. Also there is question about family of the words where those comes from, so there is possible to go very overdeep for think origin(and find every meaningful word when almost everything have lots of meanings filled in). But practically its means to assault enemys with sisu rage. Something what is easy to see companion of finnish warriors yell when they storm to enemys.
    There is perhaps most iconic and known use for it at this clip: czcams.com/video/Lo2fkwB185A/video.html&ab_channel=Gabrieln
    If you want to know more, about those times, Vänrikki Stålin tarinat by Johan Ludvig Runeberg is interesting time description about finnish soldier at swedish war.

    • @JanoTuotanto
      @JanoTuotanto Před 2 lety +5

      emm. that is Topelius and "Välskärin kertomuksia".
      Vänrikki Stålin tarinat is about the 1808 war

    • @riippumatonlinja
      @riippumatonlinja Před 2 lety +1

      @@JanoTuotanto Stand as corrected.

  • @tedperrera8259
    @tedperrera8259 Před 2 lety +6

    Another feature of there war horse are there feet quite unique as here when in gallop or even walk so warrior will be astride on same horse without wobbling thus very stable in battle 😁

  • @aleksipeltomaki1863
    @aleksipeltomaki1863 Před 2 lety +3

    They where so much respected that throughout Swedish occupation Finnish Houses were given tax releases and status if they equipped horseman for the king.
    Hence there are still houses with "Ratsutila eli Rustholli" name.
    fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratsutila

  • @jonel5001
    @jonel5001 Před 2 lety +5

    Lauri Törni, Simo Häyhä, Ilmari Juutilainen... there`s some names you may like to check.

  • @kallejotoksella8743
    @kallejotoksella8743 Před 2 lety +4

    And the basis of those units are actually tax benefits. If you (a noble/bourgeois) maintained a soldier, you got freed of taxes to the crown, and if you maintained a cavalry soldier (man and a horse) you got even bigger benefits in taxes and more probably got your soldier/labourer back from the war unharmed/alive, so it was only natural for nobles to maintain a horseman rather than just a private.

  • @jukkakopol7355
    @jukkakopol7355 Před 2 lety +3

    You can google pohjolan Leonidas (Leonidas of north) A finnish cavalry comander during 30 years war.

  • @Warutteri
    @Warutteri Před 2 lety +2

    Great topic!!!

  • @SimoExMachina2
    @SimoExMachina2 Před 2 lety +12

    "Ei pojat sotaa näin käydä! Mennään suon yli että heilahtaa. Hakkaa päälle pohjan poika! Hakkaa päälle pohjan poika! Ugh!" --- Tuntematon Sotilas.

  • @pazu_513
    @pazu_513 Před 2 lety +2

    My favorite translation is "Strike upon them". Imo most accurate as well

  • @Dimetropteryx
    @Dimetropteryx Před 2 lety +5

    Lots of ways to translate the phrase. Personally I can't decide whether to translate the words or the sentiment, since Finns use so much poetic language and so many euphemisms. There's a whole spectrum of usable translations. There's a phrase that translates to "to show where chickens urinate from." Obviously that's not a useful translation, since the sentiment could be to show how things are, how things are done, or who's in charge.
    Not a lot of mentions of Finnish cavalry in foreign historical sources. Troops from Finland in general don't really stand out from the other Swedish ones. The horses were relatively small work horses, not war horses, nor were they particularly flashy, so they wouldn't have been an impressive sight on the battlefield. However, the Swedish (and consequently Finnish) way of fighting was extremely ballsy, and centered around closing on the enemy, opening fire at extremely close range and then immediately charging. With that tactic, they gave the impression of having extreme discipline and courage, which they did, and being unstoppable since they basically ate a couple of volleys before even firing their first one, they inflicted massive concentrated casualties in a blink of an eye with their own, and when they slammed into the enemy with bayonets and swords, it was often the last straw that broke the enemy formation. It worked very well for a time, allowing the Swedes to defeat much larger forces.

  • @ponttinalle2150
    @ponttinalle2150 Před 2 lety +1

    Hakkaa päälle is today used in sports as a chant.

  • @pystykorva7114
    @pystykorva7114 Před 2 lety +14

    One interesting topic i stumbled upon was this Wikipedia article about ancient Finnish kings. It is a difficult topic since every time someone mentions these kings people start autistically screeching that there was absolutely nothing ever in Finland and that those things are just fiction trying to make Finland's past somehow greater. Those people don't realize "kuningas" in Finland back then was not a lord of the rings -type of king but rather a local tribe leader. But they did exist most likely.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_kings_of_Finland

    • @PetriW
      @PetriW Před 2 lety +8

      Niin, mutta jos aattellaan että nuo muinais ”kuninkaat” mainittiin Skandinaavi saagoissa, ja heille se on tarkoittanut juurikin sitä. Ja kyllähän Suomen heimoilla on ollu hierarkinen yhteiskunta selvästi. Onhan arvonimi Ruhtinas suomalaisperäinen, eikä mikään lainasana. Ja pelkästään se että Skandinaavit ovat kertoneet saagoissaan että omien kuninkaittensa esi-isät olivat myyttisiä Suomalais kuninkaita, kertoo siittä että he arvostivat Suomalaisia heimoja. Ja kyllähän niissä saagoissa varmasti jotain totuuden perää on.

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před 2 lety +7

      This, this would be a FANTASTIC topic to dig into and make something 🤔 I appreciate it!

    • @pystykorva7114
      @pystykorva7114 Před 2 lety +7

      @@PetriW Kyllä, on siinä varmasti sitä voittajien kirjoittamaa historiaa ja sitä soisi tutkittavan lisää.

    • @PetriW
      @PetriW Před 2 lety +2

      @@pystykorva7114 Juurikin näin! Samaa miettinyt useasti

    • @Anttimation
      @Anttimation Před 2 lety

      An interesting topic for sure, however as the sources are scarce and the subject dear to nazis, it has the to be treated carefully.

  • @ArchieArpeggio
    @ArchieArpeggio Před 2 lety +2

    Maybe the best translation for nowadays would be "Lets kick some ass!". Not very long time ago there were long article about Hakkapeliitat at Tieteen Kuvalehden Historia -lehdessä.
    Becouse we were under Swedish goverment at that time Sweden was collectin heavy taxes from Finland. So if you had big farm, horses and young man, you could lower your taxes by sending horseman to the kings army. Sweden also took militia from Finland as well but most of them were common peasants. After serving (i don´t remember time, but years) you could return back home if you still were alive and you might got some piece of your own land from the king so you could start your family at own and start farming. Those men had basicly nothing to loose becouse they had nothing, but if they served well they got revarted so that´s propably the reason why finnish calvary fought with such braveness.
    Also there were many times littlebit a language barrior so sweadish keeped finnish calvary separated from it´s own calvary. Ofcourse there were leader who took orders from superiors and told it to others, but mostly after thay released finns to do them thing. They had free hands to kill ass much as possible after success on the main orders and so thay did.

  • @aasphaltmueller5178
    @aasphaltmueller5178 Před 2 lety +3

    There is a german prayer with a line "and protect us from the Hakka Pällä" I do not remember the exact source, but it was something rather credible

    • @holoholopainen1627
      @holoholopainen1627 Před 2 lety

      Do You know what HAKKAME PEALE - means ? IT IS Estonian Language !

    • @aasphaltmueller5178
      @aasphaltmueller5178 Před 2 lety

      @@holoholopainen1627 for all I know it means some thing like "kill them all" or "hack them to pieces"

    • @holoholopainen1627
      @holoholopainen1627 Před 2 lety

      @@aasphaltmueller5178 No IT Does Not ! IT means - Lets Start - Even used Today ! Hakkama IT to Start something ! HAKKAME Jooma - means Lets Start to DRINK !

    • @aasphaltmueller5178
      @aasphaltmueller5178 Před 2 lety

      @@holoholopainen1627 I think some Finn said some thing closer to my understanding - can it have changed the meaning between the Languages ?

    • @holoholopainen1627
      @holoholopainen1627 Před 2 lety

      @⌘ Hyperborean Bard ⌘ Hakkame IS to Start something ! That was just an excample - Hakkame laulama - IS to Start sing !

  • @VarangianGuard13
    @VarangianGuard13 Před rokem +2

    Liked and subscribed for your good content and fantastic facial hair.

  • @maple494
    @maple494 Před 2 lety +1

    pretty cool :-D

  • @ImForwardlook
    @ImForwardlook Před 2 lety +3

    Still today, the Bulgarians regard the Finns as their liberators.

    • @aleksiheija8170
      @aleksiheija8170 Před 2 lety +1

      This is true. If I remember correctly during the russo-turkish war in order to complete the encirclement of Pleven they needed to capture the fortress of Gorni dubjank. It was a hard fight but in the end it was The Finnish guard's rifle battalion that got over the walls and took the fortress.

  • @joonasojala872
    @joonasojala872 Před 2 lety +1

    Nice to have brave soldiers in history

  • @motokid1492
    @motokid1492 Před 2 lety +3

    I only knew this word because thats the name of my winter tires lol
    Edit: Oh he mentioned that lmao

  • @vx8431
    @vx8431 Před 2 lety +1

    The war cry as far I know was Hakka päälle pohjan poika or Hakka päälle Soumen poika and in this context it would translate to Cut them down/Strike them down son of the north or Cut them/Strike them down Finnish boy/son of Finland. But then just like most units of the era they only uttered the various war cries when charging then killing in silence. This was suppousedly due to the strict discipline of Gustavus Adolphus II army and the discipline was feared by the Catholics this is also how at the battle of Lützen even though their king and highest commander was shot dead his army not only continued the fight but rallied and fought even fiercer winning the battle.

  • @aikanikuluksi4766
    @aikanikuluksi4766 Před 2 lety +2

    In addition to "hakkaa päälle", there is a more modern war cry, or utterance, signifying hard combat. It is "verta pakkiin", literally "blood into the pakki", where pakki is a small metal container & lid, that a soldier carries with him and eats his lunch from. Perhaps an explanation of its origin and exact implied meaning exists, but I haven't seen one. Sometimes it may even be used in connection with ice hockey.

    • @mikaelranki
      @mikaelranki Před rokem

      I always thought that verta pakkiin meant "aim for their heads" with the soviet steel helmet being the "pakki"

  • @Cheese-E260
    @Cheese-E260 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Hakkapeliitta was actually cavalry unit that served under Swedens army but they were finnish.

  • @cjgm12
    @cjgm12 Před 8 měsíci

    "Hakka päälle!" I have been informed by a finnish wife and
    several others, means litterally "hakka" = cut or hack,
    "päälle" = on the head, so "give´em on the head" or
    words to that effect... Which they obviously did.

  • @insertusername9755
    @insertusername9755 Před 2 lety +2

    *Finns has been summoned*

  • @Miku-2020
    @Miku-2020 Před 2 lety +1

    dang this video came up in autoplay and I am from Oulu. gotta get familiar with your channel

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před 2 lety

      Nice to see youtube working in my favour 🤟🏻 Welcome !

  • @MrBanaanipommi
    @MrBanaanipommi Před 2 lety +1

    i have Hakkapeliitta's on my corolla ke70 (1983) :D thought they are about 10 years old and no grip on ice anymore :(

  • @Ideatloppu
    @Ideatloppu Před 2 lety +6

    You should look into Isoviha-period, that ended 300 years ago. Translated about as "the big hatred", and is a period of Russian terror. Big events happened in ostrobotnia regions, like the battle of Napue and massacre of Hailuoto. Check it out, there is a good documentary film about it with english subtitles if interested.

    • @hurri7720
      @hurri7720 Před 9 měsíci

      I agree it's here and there is a lot about the army, sometimes sucessfull eventually not as it all ended in 1809 as far as Sweden was conserned.
      The end of the Swedish empire and the birth of Finland as a country.
      Greater Wrath is long before that of course.
      czcams.com/video/XjFglWuwn6g/video.html

  • @aikanikuluksi4766
    @aikanikuluksi4766 Před 2 lety +1

    There is a piece of popular music that includes the phrase "hakkaa päälle" and was kind of a hit in 1975. It is called "Tankeros Love" by Kivikasvot, and can easily be found on youtube by that name. It might also be at least briefly amusing to look up the origin and meaning of the word "Tankero" (you only need to look it up in Wikipedia).

    • @hepolaroth
      @hepolaroth Před 2 lety

      Kiitos! I will lean on this word, as I stumble out “Tankeros Finnish” should our planned Suomi visit in a few months, materialize (despite COVID )

    • @hurri7720
      @hurri7720 Před 9 měsíci

      Yes you find it here:
      czcams.com/video/J_puoUupeUQ/video.html
      Is there the old minister Karjalainen's English pronouncing joke - I am dirty (30) and and my wife is dirty too (32).
      Am I silly to add the 30 and 32.
      Quite frankly I think we were a lot better before in writing texts and songs than today.
      And the lyrics you find below (more) here.
      czcams.com/video/67tNxr9LbYs/video.html

  • @neigung
    @neigung Před 2 lety +8

    The hakkapeliitta were considered like the special forces of the swedish army

    • @vaahtobileet
      @vaahtobileet Před 2 lety

      Or so the Finns would like to think. It's a national myth not based on much, I think.

  • @FlyTyer1948
    @FlyTyer1948 Před 2 lety +3

    I’ve heard it means “hack them to pieces!”

    • @lalli8152
      @lalli8152 Před 2 lety

      Directly translated its beat upon

  • @hurri7720
    @hurri7720 Před 9 měsíci +1

    There is also this on the Hakkapeliittas.
    czcams.com/video/_1bhhzfZ-Gg/video.html
    HAKKA PÄLLE! Gustavian Cavalry | The Army of Gustavus Adolphus
    This will also mention the able if "short" horses.
    One could actually add that those horses had an important role in Finland during last war too.

  • @nrphototube
    @nrphototube Před 2 lety +1

    The Finnish national football team supporters chant "hakkaa päälle" in every match.

    • @nrphototube
      @nrphototube Před 2 lety +1

      You should listen in on tuesday when we face France. I will be at the stadium, shouting HAKKAA PÄÄLLE!!

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před 2 lety +1

      I'll be watching that absolutely! Good win the other day ✊🏻

    • @nrphototube
      @nrphototube Před 2 lety

      @@IrishinFinland Amazing win against all the odds in Bosnia. Love your channel! Keep up the good work!

  • @Miku-2020
    @Miku-2020 Před 2 lety +1

    another comment. about Hakkaa Päälle sounds so much like Ostrobothnia thing and as Finnish from Oulu. hakkaa päälle wouldn't be only war cry you do see it even in civilian life like "fight. fight..." but it is more aggressive still than Beat'em up and calls for an action to give them violent beating. direct translation for the idiom doesn't exist but beat'em up, strike them down, cut them down, clobber them.

  • @jimbombadill
    @jimbombadill Před 9 měsíci

    good old finnish canonfoder as we call em in sweden...

  • @peternagy6067
    @peternagy6067 Před 2 lety +1

    It's like kurucok (kuruc singular) in Hungarian

  • @TheYeti308
    @TheYeti308 Před 2 lety +1

    Hell I thought that was the finest snow tire made . LDIK . !

  • @guywithtrash231
    @guywithtrash231 Před 2 lety +1

    At last we have a foreigner cover the subject!

  • @bjornhedstrom266
    @bjornhedstrom266 Před 2 lety +1

    Haakka Päälle Pohjan Poika från Björn "Karhu" Hedström in Ruotsi

  • @Redfizh
    @Redfizh Před 2 lety +1

    "Beat 'em up, Northern son"...
    Maybe like this? I dunno.

  • @veikkovuorma
    @veikkovuorma Před 2 lety +2

    Check out Ior Bock saga. There is a handful for you :D :D Great vids btw , native oululainen

  • @prettypurple7175
    @prettypurple7175 Před rokem

    "What is your name, and where are you from?"

  • @Morsokuningas
    @Morsokuningas Před rokem +1

    What color were the clothes of the Hakkapeliitta infantry and cavalry, or were those clothes just all different colors

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před rokem

      Definitely going to revisit this video in the new year! I've been reading about them alot more in the past few months and uniforms will come up in it for sure!

    • @Morsokuningas
      @Morsokuningas Před rokem

      @@IrishinFinland Okay.

  • @danielmalinen6337
    @danielmalinen6337 Před 2 lety +1

    The Hakkapeliittas were a total destroyer machine, they rode in an assault towards the enemy with a sword outstretched and rode side by side so tight that no one could get through. They also looted and burned cities. During the Thirty Years' War, the army of King Gustav II Adolf robbed the city of Prague for three consecutive months and destroyed the city almost completely. However, the king fall during the Battle of Lützen on November 6, 1632, which stopped the Swedish army and prevented it from entering the Papal State.
    Here in the North, we are used to romanticizing and glorifying the Swedish army. King Gustav II Adolf and his troops are a hero, and in honor of them the national Swedish Day is celebrated, Adolf's cakes are eaten, Zacharias Topelius is read in some families and the traditional Hakkapeliitta fair is held in Tammela. But in the Holy Roman Empire they were feared and considered terrible. So much, that German children still sing and play:
    "Pray, my children, pray,
    Because Sweden is coming,
    And comes with Oxenstierna,
    And they teach us how to pray."
    But from this we can learn that the hero of one can always be the villain to another. It only depends on which side you look at it from. And there is no real black-and-white division between good and bad outside of fairy tales and movies.

  • @bbdanny
    @bbdanny Před 2 lety

    "hakkaa päälle" means something "like beat on them"

  • @VikingTeddy
    @VikingTeddy Před 2 lety +2

    Just found your channel, already hooked. Looking forward to more :)
    If you get the chance, there's plenty of stories behind our castles and coastal fortresses.
    One of my favourite stories of fighting Finns is from the battle of Bomarsund. The song "Oolannin Sota" mentions it.
    Lindybeige did a nice video of the battle: czcams.com/video/d7NuyxZz-0k/video.html

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před 2 lety

      Thank you very much! And cheers for the link! I'll check it out ✊🏻

  • @buenoloco4455
    @buenoloco4455 Před 2 lety

    ''On pohjolan hangissa meil isänmaa, sen rannalla (voi tuta emme saa?) För seillen ja (farkkuja emme saa?) Kunnia uskomme (jtk)
    Kosta perikaham nes, Sounds something that is in Rauma. It's not Finnish nor Swedish, or even english. Just otter gibberish

  • @TK8866275
    @TK8866275 Před 2 lety

    There is one interesting connection of Irish and the army of Sweden. During the Plantation of Ulster 1609, about 1300 Irish soldiers were deported to Sweden at that time ruled by Charles IX to serve in Swedish Army. They participated to Polish-Swedish War (1600-1611) where many of them defected to the Polish side. Then again it's probably not out of the question that some of those who remained might have been also in the Thirty Years' War twenty years later 1630, when Sweden under the new ruler Gustavus Adolphus decided to enter that war.

    • @jorluo
      @jorluo Před 2 lety

      In those days there were a lot of hired mercenarie troops from different countries in every army. In the Thirty Years' War, King Gustav II Adolf from Sweden had over 70 000 men and only about 54% of them were Swedes and Finns (They are usually all called Swedes because they were the same country. Finland was part of Sweden for about 650 years until 1809). The rest 46% of those 70 000 were foreign troops, some of which were undoubtedly Irish.
      40% of Sweden-Finland's infantry were Finns and 38% of Sweden-Finland's cavalry were Finns. So the number of actual Swedish soldiers in the entire army was relatively low.

  • @mmestari
    @mmestari Před 2 lety

    Hakkaa päälle is difficult to translate, because it's grammatically incorrect, at least in modern Finnish. For some odd reason many Finnish just translate it very approximately. Accurately translated it is: Hack to top of! Also it could be accurately translated as: Hack for head!

  • @janihellsten7793
    @janihellsten7793 Před 2 lety +1

    They were the only ones at the time who fought quietly in battle

    • @janihellsten7793
      @janihellsten7793 Před 2 lety +1

      People were afraid that someone would fight quietly

    • @petrihuhtala6914
      @petrihuhtala6914 Před 25 dny

      Suomessa on vanha sananlasku Se huutaa joka pelkää
      PS Hiljainen mies on aina vaarallinen sinä et tiedä mitä se ajattelee

  • @ALU6082
    @ALU6082 Před 2 lety +1

    Hakkaa päälle... Pound on or hit on

  • @aLoneCrusader
    @aLoneCrusader Před 2 lety +1

    The Swedish army has always fought to the last Finn...

  • @jounisuninen
    @jounisuninen Před 2 lety +2

    Google: hakkapeliittain kotiinpaluu There are photos of the statue for Hakkapeliitat.

  • @XtreeM_FaiL
    @XtreeM_FaiL Před 2 lety

    I don't think "Hakkaa" means beat, hit or anything similar.
    Nowadays "hakkaa" is a verb and it means (to) beat, but "Hakkaa päälle" does not really make sense if "Hakkaa" is to beat.
    Päälle is "to above", "To the top" (could be "to head" too if not too serious. :P )
    Hit above... ??
    I think that "Hakkaa päälle" is more like "Hakkas charge, rush, attack", "Ok guys. Let's show them what we can do. We go first. Charge!"
    Päälle=Käydä päälle, käydä kimppuun.

  • @Scramasax
    @Scramasax Před 2 lety +3

    Plot twist: They were Estonians crying "Charge again!"

  • @Tervaharja
    @Tervaharja Před 2 lety

    Beat them up

  • @Caldera01
    @Caldera01 Před 2 lety +3

    There is 1 singular instance of the phrase "Hakkaa päälle!" used in a Japanese anime.
    Series: Jormungand
    Character: Valmet
    czcams.com/video/PlydR5S1E20/video.html
    Too bad the scene is kind of ruined when the character proceeds to engage in a verbal philosophical discussion AFTER the warcry, but it's still a thing.
    The series itself is mediocre.
    Fortunately, she's not the only Finnish character in anime though the list is quite short.

  • @regierdityatriadi9821

    New eu4 patch hakkapelita will be op af. Hail swedish empire

  • @MilenaAnnina
    @MilenaAnnina Před 2 lety +1

    Suojelujoukot and muilutus. Two different things I don't know English word for. Especially muilutus was hard core!

  • @CubaNectie
    @CubaNectie Před 2 lety +1

    Why isn't this tought in schools lol.

  • @rilluma
    @rilluma Před 2 lety

    420th like. yay blaze it bros and sisters

  • @pekkalaatu707
    @pekkalaatu707 Před rokem +2

    I ask your permission to use a shortcut of this video. I have sent to message via Twitter.

    • @IrishinFinland
      @IrishinFinland  Před rokem

      Ah yeah of course you can, no problem! 👌🏻

    • @pekkalaatu707
      @pekkalaatu707 Před rokem

      @@IrishinFinland Thank you and Happy midsummerday!

  • @jamesvandemark2086
    @jamesvandemark2086 Před 10 měsíci

    Not "Hack Them Down!"?

  • @krisuola545
    @krisuola545 Před 6 měsíci

    it was not a unit. it referred to finnish cavalry and even infantry in general. only later has it become a term for the finnish cavalry and even then never a particular unit.

  • @dariusdei5822
    @dariusdei5822 Před 2 lety

    "the royal life guards"

  • @monnni606
    @monnni606 Před 2 lety +1

    There is also an old saying "hakkaa päälle pohjanpoika! ..Not an totally accurate translation is "beat them up northernmen! 😄

  • @holoholopainen1627
    @holoholopainen1627 Před 2 lety +1

    When You Get to know Estonian Language - you learn what HAKKAME PEALE means !

  • @prettypurple7175
    @prettypurple7175 Před rokem

    IRISH IN FINLAND/////

  • @ollieahokas9179
    @ollieahokas9179 Před 2 lety +2

    One thing is the way Finns defended themselves during the three wars in WW II. Especially during the Winterwar, where ill equiooed finns stopped in bitter cold an army many times bigger than they were. In otherhands the way Finland handled the aftermath of the civil war in 1918 is discraceful and has come out in to the light only a couple decades ago.

    • @fiddede5229
      @fiddede5229 Před 2 lety

      What are u lyuing? We did take help of hitler becausw of he was rhw only and we dis receive alot od ammo,weapons and intelligence

    • @ollieahokas9179
      @ollieahokas9179 Před 2 lety +1

      @@fiddede5229 During the Winter War, Germany and Soviet diveded the eastern Europe between them and were closer to be allied than enemies. It went that far that the Nazi-Germany provided military aid to the Soviets, like the not finished cruiser Lutzow, not the ex Deutchland but not finished cruiser, which Soviet used to defend Leninggrad during the Germans advance.. During the Continuation war all this changed when Germany did not defeat Great Britain, launched the illfated war with Soviets. During the short peace, Soviets isolated Finland to the point that only supplier of arms was Germany. Infact, Finland became a semi allied to Germany, by this Finland fought its own war with aid of German armed forces but went for its own stratetic objectives. When the armistance came in 1944,there was a race betsween the allied forces on who will be able to defeat Berlin, so it was to benefit both the Soviets and the Finns. As a peace tems was dictated by Soviet, FInland had to dispatch Germans in short order. Germany replied with trying to overthrow the Finnish parliament and land forces, which both failed and the finns entered in to the final war, against the German troops in Finland and this war ended just weeks before Germany gave up the fighting in Europe. Germans during the very end of the continuation war, especially the air force helped Finland vitally when the Red army was breaking through the defences.

    • @fiddede5229
      @fiddede5229 Před 2 lety

      @@ollieahokas9179 yes what u write is true. But i choosed to make iy simple and not explain every detail. Sloppy pf mw. But i handled iy :) i know how the whole war because my grandfather was theew and many more i know and relatives.

    • @ollieahokas9179
      @ollieahokas9179 Před 2 lety +1

      @@fiddede5229 What was discraceful was the period of 1918 to mid 1930.s after the not only those who were fighting on the red side were put in prison camps or been shot down. Things like being a member of a "wrong" atheltic team was enough to have people executed without any trial. Both sides during the bloody and short war commited things that were to discribe as war crimes, and still in early 1930.s many were still in war camps and were, those who survived it, released in mid thirties. all this has been very hard to find about until relatively recent times. Finland had a very shaky start in the first thirty years of independence, a civil war, a political situation that was a verge of a second civil war against right wing troops, which was enough for the goverment to mobilize troops against them, three wars, which resulted in lost terotories and huge economical problems to be able to pay the war repairs, which Finland was the only nation after the WWII to do so and in record time.

  • @samimiettinen5539
    @samimiettinen5539 Před 2 lety +2

    Isnt hakkapeliitta just a brand of nokia? (yes, that nokia who used to do cellphones)... They make all kinds of weird shit from rubber =)

    • @7013032
      @7013032 Před 2 lety

      Those are a Nokian Tyres product, which I think is nowadays a separate company from Nokia

    • @samimiettinen5539
      @samimiettinen5539 Před 2 lety

      @@7013032 It's was the same company

    • @mikakoivunen3456
      @mikakoivunen3456 Před 2 lety

      Isnt it "Nokian" instead of nokia?

  • @donwarren3253
    @donwarren3253 Před 2 lety

    I don't understand. Hakkapeliitta with cuirass + helmet + sword = light cavalry, but 200 years later, Napoleon's cuirassiers with cuirass + helmet + sword = heavy cavalry? Wtf?????

    • @porsimo
      @porsimo Před 2 lety +1

      I would guess that since by the development of the firearms the armors became more and more obsolete. The Napoleonic wars were fought mainly with firearms so a cuirass was a heavy armor compared to the other troops which used no armor at all - unlike 200 years earlier when weapons like poleaxes were widely used.

  • @prettypurple7175
    @prettypurple7175 Před rokem

    "HAKKA PALLEDA"

  • @flyfin108
    @flyfin108 Před 2 lety

    "Hack Em", hakkaa verb as hacking, päälle in this case assaulting someone (this is where romans got the word hacking before collapse of rome /jk)

  • @jeffbosworth8116
    @jeffbosworth8116 Před rokem

    I don't think "infamous" is the right word. That usually means famous for being evil

  • @jakkeledin4645
    @jakkeledin4645 Před 2 lety

    Hakkaa päälle = hit on the top.
    Different that Finns fight without voice. Only shortsit command; hakkaa päälle.

  • @blechtic
    @blechtic Před 2 lety +1

    I don't think the Finnhorse was around back then. I would've thought the Finnish horses were probably fairly small compared to others, given that Finland wasn't exactly rich. That was probably the reason why Finnish villages contributed men and horses to the army instead of paying (more) tax, which I believe was what the "Swedish" side of the country did.

    • @martinaberg6157
      @martinaberg6157 Před 2 lety

      Wrong, it was NOT possible in Sweden to pay more tax instead of send men/ soldiers to the army. Learn some history: finnish cavallery during some battles fought with bravery, sometimes just fled… ( Lund 1676). Not better or worse than other cavallery regiments …

    • @fastum000
      @fastum000 Před 2 lety

      @@martinaberg6157 are you dumb💀

  • @ReasonAboveEverything
    @ReasonAboveEverything Před 2 lety +5

    Finn horse is a distant cousin of mongolian horse. It's smaller than your average workhorse yet it's power generation is just as great. Moreover some of the tactics of hakkapeliitta were somewhat adopted from polish hussars who had learnt them from mongols.
    Kind of mongol people riding mongolian related horses using mongol war tactics. No wonder shit went down.
    Edit. Grammar.

    • @TurisasFTW
      @TurisasFTW Před 2 lety +8

      That bullshit again. That "finns are mongols" is over 100 years old racist bullshit. Refuted by science.
      I bet you are from Sweden?

    • @juusokarhu8821
      @juusokarhu8821 Před 2 lety +3

      @@TurisasFTW To me YOU seem to be a racist. You are talking about mongols in very racistic way, you are pactically saying, that comparing finns and mongols is like comparing finns and monkeys. Mongols are as good as anyone else.

    • @pyromorph6540
      @pyromorph6540 Před 2 lety +4

      @@TurisasFTW What he's saying is true. It has nothing to do with Ethnicity.
      The Tactics used by the Hakkapeliittas came from the Polish Hussars who got them from the Mongolians.

    • @ReasonAboveEverything
      @ReasonAboveEverything Před 2 lety +1

      @@TurisasFTW No. I am Finnish and the spirit of my post was humor. Finns are on average 5 to 10 percent east Asian but that's the north uralic dna not central east Asian Mongolian dna.

    • @TurisasFTW
      @TurisasFTW Před 2 lety +1

      @@ReasonAboveEverything Ei ole olemassa puhtaita eurooppalaisia. Kaikki eurooppalaiset ovat tulleet eurooppaan euroopan ulkopuolelta. Kysymys on vain siitä, mitä reittiä pitkin tänne on tultu. Kaikilla euroopplaisilla on jonkin verran aasialaista DNA:ta. Lisäksi länsisuomalaisten DNA on lähempänä ruotsalaisia kuin itäsuomalaisia. Eli suomalaiset eivät ole tulleet eurooppaan ja suomen alueelle yhtenä kansana uralilta, vaan kaikista ilmansuunista. Fenno-ugrilaisuus on kieliryhmä, ei rotu. Sama koskee germaanejakin.

  • @mikkoolavijarvinen3653
    @mikkoolavijarvinen3653 Před 2 lety +1

    Take everything related to the Hakkapeliittas with a grain of salt, it's a textbook example of "our ancestor were fierce warriors (and definitely fiercer than the Swedes)". Finnish light cavalry fought in Gustaphus Adolphus' army, that's certain, but for the rest, how much is just national mythos building by Topelius and similar 19th century figures - modern scholars argue a lot about this.

  • @fiddede5229
    @fiddede5229 Před 2 lety

    This have nothing with the video to do. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Finland?wprov=sfla1 but i really didbt know finland ia the only Nordic country where ww found remains pf neanderthals :)