Hey BEAT family! I can't wait for you to view this video and let me know your thoughts. I'd love to hear where you are at right now in your church journey. Have you experienced church hurt? Have you been disconnected with church? Let me know what's happening in your world and your thoughts on this video below. Enjoy!
My jaw dropped when I saw the intro. I think that for anyone who doesn't watch the rest of the video it's a huge turn off. I understand that it's a quote but I think you should remove it from the intro and keep it in its proper context. I love you and your videos so don't think I'm saying anything negative about you or your content in general. I just think this one overstepped its bounds a little bit. I hope you understand that it's meant to be helpful.🙂 God bless!
Brother Allen, 2 things, 1 am I mistaken or did I see video where you go over when it might be time to leave the church you're attending?! I feel like u did and I cant find it but I could be wrong. Number 2, I sent u a message on fb (you probably have millions of messages lol) . I just need to ask you to please pray for my mom. She is in a serious situation and needs all the prayers she can get. Thank you! Sorry, I meant to add my mom's name is Tina. (I'm Mitch by the way). Love your vids. They really help me out. Again thanks a million.
I have, but God has been really clear and His Spirit helpful in guiding my wife and I to navigate through it, heal from it and unshaken by it. I am currently functioning as a campus pastor in our church, and people "giving up" attending and connecting and engaging the body is one of our biggest realities right now. So, this year our focus is on how God wants us to address this issue and lovingly encourage them to take a look at their reasons and also the Biblical side and allow the Spirit of God to convict and show them on His timing and terms!
Allen, I'm grieved to hear what happened to you! But thank God you've remained faithful to the Lord and His Church and continue to be such a great leader on CZcams!
Great video as usual Brother Allen. My journey has been a long one. However, I was at a local church, my reason for not returning is due to the teaching of a light prosperity gospel message. Now I know there are other local church's I can look into, which I am. I got a question though, the church I do attend is not local, thus my attendance is online. And I love the way the pastor preaches. He's actually one of the pastors you mentioned in your top 5 pastor video. I guess my question is am I wrong from a biblical standpoint for attending online rather than local? Thank you for your time and keep up the great work your doing for God's kingdom
That intro was too real 🤣🤣🤣... Sometimes we may need a new church home however there is nothing that should ever get a believer to turn their back on the church as God created it, AMEN!
You are the church, we are the church, The Temple of the most high the Temple made without hands....... Church is not a building but a body of believers.
I go visit 3 times a year... just to see if they have Bibles or if it's listen to the pastor.... nobody reads the Bible these days. Just an emotional experience. 😢
"5/30/11 From The Lord, Our God and Savior The Word of The Lord Spoken to Timothy For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear Thus says The Lord: I have bestowed many gifts upon this generation, and lo, the small of My flock have received knowledge and revelation beyond compare. Yet I ask you, who has truly received? Who has been humbled by My words and given thanks? Who among all these scattered flocks has taken joy in My gifts? Beloved, who among this great multitude seeks out My will, to know it? And who, among all these so-called believers, takes pleasure in My Law, saying, “I delight to do Your will, O God, for Your Law is written in my heart”?[1] Yet My people remain foolish, and this little flock envious. For I tell you the truth: Unrighteous jealousy is the companion of fools. For those who envy also grab hold of jealousy, walking hand in hand with covetousness. Beloved, there is but One who sees, One who knows, only One who searches the hearts and minds - I AM HE. How is it then that My people sit in judgment, judging My Word and My will, resisting My ways as they look upon others with contempt? Shall you also seek to ascend above The Most High?! Shall you sit upon My throne?! For I tell you the truth, each time you sit in judgment and question My ways, you walk in satan’s aspirations; you follow in his footsteps![2] And when I bless another, why do you not take joy in it? And when I correct you, why do you resist and question My ways? Am I not The Lord? Do I not give to each according to their faith, according to that which I see in their heart? Why do you in your arrogance set a line for Me to follow, or think within yourselves there must be a better way? And how is it you continually compare yourselves amongst yourselves, knowing this is unwise?[3] Beloved, I have prepared a place for you! Therefore offer up thanksgiving, and cease from your complaints. Forgive and bless, let go and obey, love one another and wash each other’s feet. Take joy in all I do, especially in that which I bestow upon another. And when I feed you, eat from your own plate and give thanks. Little flock, it is the last hour, yet many of you have stepped backward. Let it be known to you: One who treads the path, going up and down, stepping on and off at their convenience, treads not the path, but is like one who treads water. By no means shall they be able to keep their head above water, nor shall their strength deliver them in the Day of Troubles. Therefore heed My words, and also do them; Be wise in your dealings with Me, Humble yourselves and remember... Blessed are those who run to Me, For they shall be blessed in My presence; Even more blessed are those who run to Me, Then obey My Word, for their blessing Is complete and they are at peace... Deliverance they shall surely know... Says The Lord." www.thevolumesoftruth.com/Delight_in_the_Ways_of_The_Lord
I can relate to church hurt… I experienced betrayal and deception. Thank you Allen for sharing your story. This is so encouraging to see how much the Lord is using you today.
Amazing, God had Set Allen on His Plan For Him. SIX Times the evil one tried to thwart God's Plan, But The Lord Granted Allen to Be Steadfast, to Stand Firm, and Not be deterred from The Lord's Path. Give God Thanks and Praise, For Being and Strengthening Allen's Faith! You Got Here In the end Allen, and we Thank The Lord For What You Do! God Bless Your Ministry and Family Allen.
I hurt the church, left both the church AND GOD, got my tail WHOOPED by the world to rock bottom status, found God in a REAL way, embedding Him in my heart, and am grateful to still be here due to His forgiveness, grace, mercy, and patience with me. Sometimes, people need to see what it's like to have God remove His hand from you. It was the BEST THING that's ever happened to me.
@Robert Davis great share.. I was in world wayyyyyy too long, thought it had answers. It did not. God called me outta new age, WOF NAR bad bad teachings. His Grace is mind blowing 🤯
Robert Davis.. I left these new age false fellowships, and The Most High has been protecting, and blessing me wayyy more than when I was in the institution calling itself church... That's All Cap Allen is spitting. Just look at your surrounding neighborhoods where absolutely NOTHING is being built while these fellowships are sucking all the wealth out of our communities through our women.
As a child I was bullied and ostracized in the church. Pastor's wife would have other youth bully and harass me. My biggest church however was two years ago being put out of a church for being depressed and suicidal. To a point I can see it from their pov because my depression manifest himself in anger. The anger on my part came from years of not being taken seriously. I was not only put out but there was so many rumors being spread about me not from the regular lay members but by the deacons and elders. They would threaten any one ( ministry leaders) not to let me in their ministry telling them that I was crazy. I wasn't crazy just depressed, hurting and looking for a reason to live. At my lowest I was put out. But God! He wiped every year dusted me off reminded me of my purpose in him. He placed me in a wonderful church home. I love my new church. I am free to share my struggles with depression without being condemned. I am encouraged in the word! God has put me in a place where I am loved and embraced. One thing that has helped me was knowing that Jesus truly understood because the Pharisees and Sadducees which represented the church in Jesus day looked for ways to kill him! The people in his hometown tried to throw him off a hill because they didn't like his message that he was anointed to free the capitives and give sight to the blind. Simply because they saw him as only Joseph the carpenter's son and not as the Messiah. To all those going through church hurt I encourage you to keep in God realize that there is also tares in the church but don't let them deter you from a true relationship with God!
Thanks for sharing. I have a similar story. I used to be a pretty social kid, but once I reached a 7 or so, I suffered from extreme anxiety and behavioral outbursts. I think it made me an outcast in the eyes of some kids and possibly parents. I was never bullied, but was constantly excluded. And every friend I brought to church was insulted by some of the other girls. I’ve found more friendship and “real people” in the world than in the church. I hope that I can find a new church… a decent one in the future where I can use my gifts and experiences to improve people’s lives and minds.
@@gigahorse1475 I remember being angry with the people in the church for not taking depression seriously. I actually received more compassion and help from those who had no interest in knowing God. Then from those who claimed that they do. So I totally get what you are saying about having had more real friends in the world. Despite what you have been through know that there is still some wonderful Christ filled churches out there. Trust that God will lead you to one. You will be amazed at how God will use your testimony to strengthen and draw others to Him.
Wow. This hit me right on my forehead. With the pandemic, I got used to seeking spiritual nurishment via online services, bible studies and worship. I felt ok but lately have been convicted about not using my gifts in the local church. Not bad experiences, just complacency. Your ministry has influnced those convictions: The Beat, Bible study made easy and Let's equip community. Thanks for sharing and for being so transparent about personal experiences. Im learning alot from you and your wife, now I need to put this knowledge into practice. Thanks.
I have tears in my eyes, because like you Ivonne, I got used to attending church online and feel I need to be using my gifts and talents in the physical church. After watching Allen's video, my spirit has not been able to rest knowing that I need to be in a local church (preferably in my community), as I have seriously been feeling convicted that I am not using my gifts in the local church (I am a musician -- bass player and a drummer). I don't feel right not being in a local church and am continuously praying to the LORD to lead me to a local church here in the community for which I live (I moved away from the area where my home church is located 5 years ago and have not been able to find a church, in the community for which I live, that I'm comfortable with). I left my home church sometime ago, as I had a bad experience with a couple of the leaders in the church and allowed my anger to get the best of me. I have since forgiven them and have asked them to forgive me for any wrongs I have done to them; I have not forgotten what happened -- I have asked the LORD to take that away from me as well, as I don't want to carry that anymore. I should note that I have been attending a church out of Louisiana; however, it's online. Although, I enjoy the preaching, bible studies, and attending the men's meetings (online) and the pastor recognizes me as an e-member of his church; yet, I still don't feel right not being in physical attendance in a local church. @THE BEAT by Allen Parr - Thank you letting the LORD use you to bring this message. It really struck a cord with me and I was convicted by it.
But local church isn't the only way to serve. There are lots of Christian charities and parachurch ministries that look just like fellowship of believers except they're not called "churches".
Several people like me are watching your videos from the other side of the world and are being led to God through you. Thank you brother Allen. May God bless your ministry.
The crazy thing was I was in the desert with that mindset for about 2-years. Just yesterday I was invited to go to church and plan to go this Sunday. It's way over due... I am so missing to fellowship with the body of Christ again. My church hurt started when the pastor of my last church kept a secret from me that his son was having an affair with my wife. This broke my heart into pieces. He blamed their affair on me and his son wife. My ex-wife got pregnant by the son and the divorce was a nightmare.... This kept me away from the church. But since then, I remarried a wonderful woman and I have forgiven my ex and her now husband.
But he knoweth not that the dead are there and her guests are in the depths of sheol. Pro 9:18 From the least unto the greatest, ALL are greedy for gain, prophets and priests alike, ALL practice deceit. Jer 6:13 Pay attention to the word ALL. Believe it!!!!!! As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit, therefore they have become great and waxed rich. Jer 5:27 Those are just a small sample of what the scriptures say about the whore of Babylon often referred to as the "church"
That intro was priceless lol … I’ve never experienced “church hurt” but I’ve experienced “ these people got me messed up” a few times. But I just moved around until I found my church home. It’s kinda like dating to me, one bad date isn’t gonna stop a pursuit of finding someone. Just keep moving
One CANNOT romanticize moving around churches till you find the right one, and call it "church dating". Thatb is so wrong on so many levels. With so much technology , and believing churches or bible study groups in EVERY town - geographic commitment is an issue? especially when experiencing "church hurt"?. I sincerely with love must ask you to get over yourselves. Its about the gospel and if you are being fed to grow in the faith.. There is no evidence in scripture that commitment to attending one place of worship is the way to worship, in fact, Jesus more than once said God is looking for those that do not worship in a holy mountain, or a temple made with hands - but lift up holy hands where ever you are, and worship in spirit (no defined location, time, season, or program present), and in truth (the way Jesus gave the Apostles to hand down to us). The church is the body of Christ, and meeting to participate in service, gifting, and considering each other - to share in the Lord's supper is demanded - that we remember we must live out the gospel - repentance, forgiveness, patience, charity, and testimony. This can be done without committing to one local church, as the Apostles describe in Acts. .......
@@morgradordread4394 you kinda sound like someone who does not SERVE in church and quite frankly, too philosophical without logic. When a person seriously tithes, works in ministries, serve etc etc, you best believe they are going to see to it that they invest their time, money and energy to a church that is truly doing the work of the Lord. The truth is, that person may not find that out until months later. So it’s not “ romanticizing” anything. Actually it’s a way to avoid getting “ church hurt” from putting too soon of a trust in people who may not have good intentions. As for me, I’ve been at the same church for 6 years, I serve in groups, volunteer etc etc, it gets exhausting but it’s worth every moment and dime. How many people can say that about their church?
Having a church building/service to go to every Sunday can definitely be helpful for a lot of people but not everyone is able to go to a church so it doesn’t make sense to say it’s necessary. The church is a body, not a building.
Since people are the church , I'm not done with the church. I'm done with the building that has false teaching in it , that won't be changed back to the Gospel. As far as church goes I have fellowship with plenty of people and we discuss the Bible 🙌
Yes, the church is the body of Christ. We can assemble in many ways and places. And we can minister as the Lord leads. I attend an online church, gives as I have purposed in my heart and minister/serve as God gives the opportunity, which is often.
I concur. I left the business organization, pastor/CEO led, Old Testament tithing teaching, so called church back in 2011. I was also a minister. I praise God that I’m not subject to “doctrines of men” but by the leading of the Holy Spirit.
I believe peoples understanding of the Church is all jacked up🤦🏾♀️ We are the church. It’s not about the building with four walls. It’s about ADVANCING the Kingdom!!!! Thank you for standing on the Word of God❤️.
Was looking for such a comment GOD doesn't dwell in temple made with hands but believers are the church that Jesus is building.. We are the lively stones WE ( Believers) are THE CHURCH Going to a meeting is different that being the CHURCH(EKKLESIA)... People are destroyed for lack of knowledge...
No, the Church is not merely a collection of like minded believers. Jesus only made one Church. The Catholic Church. The rest are nothing but man made Churches. Jesus already laid the foundation of the Church on Peter and the Apostles. There is no need to lay new Church foundations other then the Church of Saint Peter. The true Church.
I'm glad I watched this video. There had been some personal experiences that have made me back away from the church. It wasn't too different from being in the world. They just sugar coated it with being saved. I really enjoy watching your videos and there are a few others that I like where I'm actually getting better understanding of the bible. I pray that I find a place because I would really like to serve like I was doing before. I really enjoyed it. But I can't deal with the clicks, the back stabbing, treating other people badly, favoritism and gossip. And pretty much condemning people from the pulpit. They telling me how to live and they're doing the very thing they telling me not to go. I hope God will lead me to the right place.
When you said the Denzel thing I had to rewind like “hold up what he say?!” Lol but that’s wild that a pastor said that to you and shows not everyone should be in leadership.also a lot of times people assume churches are supposed to be perfect and cater to their every desire. But where there are people there will be conflict. But I pray God gives us wisdom to know when a church is actually toxic and knowing when there’s a conflict that has reasonable issues that we can work through
So True! There are no perfect people, only one Perfect Person Jesus Christ! As we are in the last days the Bible has told us these days would happen in God's church as Paul said that people would teach doctrines of devils, and that there would be wolves among the Sheep. As there is the spirit of laodicea, apostasy in the Church of Jesus Christ! The separating between the tares and the Wheat has already started.
Oh, this is a regular thing at my current church, where “discipline” happens through sermons. When confronted, he said it was taboo for him, that he never communicates through sermons. Narcissism in church leadership is nothing rare.
The church i attended ( i've been online since pandemic) is non denominational. This church is warm, loving, welcome & biblical. They have lots of small groups etc. i'm 66 y/o and perhaps this is where the disconnect comes into reality. i am loved on when we assemble together, however no one contacts me otherwise. After worship service and small groups, it became a bittersweet time for me, as it seems everyone has friends and family to do things with. This experience has helped me to transition into not attending church. While the church is biblical based, we don't practice communion on a monthly basis (i would love it weekly). i spoke with one of the associate pastors regarding the church practicing communion. He was very kind, and told me he would discuss my concern with the other leaders and get back to me. This was pre pandemic, and the situation was never addressed. During this pandemic, i have been contacted by my church family perhaps twice. i am able to care for myself, however i would feel better if i knew someone genuinely cared, and perhaps they don't, but not deliberately . Out of sight...besides everyone has their own thing. i've reached out to members of my church family on occasion to send blessings. They do reply, however, the communication is never initiated by them. Generally i feel as though i'm overlooked, so why attend? i continued to tithe until several months ago, when i realized a family member was in desperate need. i plan on going back to my church, i miss the praise and the atmosphere of being with fellow believers. Have you ever felt alone in a crowded room of people you know...?
@@wawasparrow9099 Thank you 💓 Regretfully & at times to my detriment, i've adjusted to not relying on ANYONE. Whenever i've 'needed' someone, God has always put a person there for a season. Praise be, my focus is on God. i've learned to embrace peace without people, however it would be beneficial to be included.
@@yasminpanasjuk682 i am beyond sorry for you feeling the way you do😢. Attempts have been made to make me feel responsible for the disconnect, trust me my love, it's not you 👍🏼. i'm gregarious, fun loving, full of humor and have never met a stranger, yet i find myself monitoring my words and behavior around my christian family. i've been referred to as 'crazy, extra & too much', lovingly i'm certain. So i now avoid in person gatherings because it's exhausting wondering how to be me and not be ostracized. God loves & accepts me🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 My prayer 🙏🏽 is for God to encourage you and that He sends others👭🧑🏽🤝🧑🏾 to have christian relationships with you in your walk with Him❤. Iron sharpens iron, and God desires for you to have a 'Jonathan' 🙏🏽✝️. Blessings & prayers to you and yours my sister in Christ 😇💜 Nothing but the 🩸...
And this is why this is my favorite Christian channel......real to the l......a pastor said something similar to me.....he ain't said the N word.....but I felt it in his heart.....still got love for him though.....
@@RealCelebsSource well as a fellow Christian, what's your thoughts on this whole Marcus Roger situation and how MR.Parr wants to" build a bridge " to a false teachers who have been rebuked and admonished but yet still refuses to listen or repent..?. After that video I had to unsbscribe to his channel... your thoughts sir.?
I was told in my younger years by a pastor, who I have great respect for and am related to, dddthat I ain't about nothing and that stuck with me for many years. The tongue is a deadly poison and if you are not careful, you can say something to someone and not realizing that the words you spoke, negatively, had a major impact on the life of the person for which you spoke those words to. PLEASE BE SO VERY CAREFUL WHAT WORDS COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH (I'm speaking to myself as well!). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
There is a difference between the "Church" and the "assembling of one another". The two are not the same. Who is worthy to build Christ's church, but only Christ Himself, and wheresoever we are, having Christ within, is where the True Church is. God has not commanded us to go to church every Sunday, repetitiously and religiously, BUT TO BE THE CHURCH. Physical churches create "listeners" who hardly open their Bibles, yet subscribe to every doctrine that tickle their ears, dividing the whole of God's Word into the bits and pieces they choose to acknowledge while throwing the rest away. It's amazing when you are sitting in a pew listening to whatever pre-planned uninspired "sermon" the pastor FEELS God has put it upon his heart, or some message that "God has for you", and yet God has not spoken but through His Word in these last days, it's amazing how THAT is considered keeping in accordance with God's Word "not to forsake the assembling of one another.", yet, if you stay home and watch the same "sermon" on television, you are "forsaking" the assembly because you are not physically there. Most people in those days did not have "churches" to go to every Sunday, and many would have to travel long distances to find a synagogue. It is a "gathering of people" that form an assembly, not the assembly itself that determines if God is present or not. Matthew 18:20 (nkjv) 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.” Where in this Scripture does it say that it must be a "church" built with bricks in which we assemble, for it to count as an "assembly"? The "where" is not mentioned.
After my uncle passed away, who was like a second father to me, I did stop going to church for about 4 months. Over 5 years, I had lost my fiance (non believer), my gramps, my gran and then my uncle. I was deep in despair and depression. But all glory to God, He lifted my spirits and I'm now back at church and I feel on fire for Him. God is good, the church i attend is like family and they kept in touch with me through the time i was away. This is a great video and I'm so blessed that the church I'm with, was only the second church i attended. The first was av Church of Scotland Abbey and just not my thing at all. Now I'm in an evangelical church and i fit right in from the moment i stepped through the door.
I’ve definitely experienced betrayal. One thing about pastor counseling is that you believe in confidentiality, but when they start telling your story to other members you get all the judgement looks and murmurs. It was just awful and I had to leave due to shame and embarrassment. That’s one. But I always stay to the church. I am more reserved now and talk things over with the spirit and also look for a licensed therapist and Christian preferably.
Yeah i definitely understand where you are coming from i do not want to leave because the verses like they were never of us because they went out of us sticks to my mind but i have been trying to make things work. I just have to go to another room so they can translate to english what they say in vietnamese.
I am sorry that happened to you, brother. I can relate to that - being judged for confessing a sin to someone you trusted. It does hurt a lot. I'm thankful God is not like that.
Praise the Lord! Amen. God is merciful. He always forgives. Never be ashamed to take your failures to him. He is for you, not against you! God is with you in the storm. He knows your troubles, he hears you! He is for you, on your side, always! It may feel silent at times, but he’s holding you close! May the Lord return soon! We are drawing closer. He is coming! Believe and trust in the Lord, you will be saved. Period. May the Lord bless you all! Hang in there family. Stay strong. It is not easy following the Lord. We are scoffed at. We give up our earthly dreams, our fleshly desires. What the enemy offers is short lived, but heaven is forever! Life may seem or be unfair, but God is with you! Always remember that. Things may get better or worse for you, but a kingdom awaits you! Finish the race! Repent daily and carry your cross. This world is fading fast. Your troubles are temporary! New channel here, I’d appreciate any kind of support. Don’t give up! God loves you so much! So do I. The Lord bless you!
@@2l84me8 we're not supposed to go there! Hell was originally created for Satan and the fallen angels. Now Satan is very angry, knowing that his time is short, and want all of us to go there with him.....
I had a “Wait What” moment with your intro, lol. I too experienced church hurt and left it. I actually benefited from the pandemic when the church services went online. But I now I understand & will find another church to attend. Thank you for sharing
Brother Alan, your story, well let me just say this one hits close to home! Been through some similar disappointments and hurts from church leadership. As painful as it was, it hurt my wife more and it took a long time to recover. I was a little cynical for a while but worked through it and I'm in a better place today. The Lord is gracious and merciful.
Thanks for the message brother Allen. This video couldn’t have come at a better time. Lately I’ve been discouraged seeing so many of my church members (most of whom I looked up to as spiritual leaders) leave the church due to politics and other reasons I find difficult to justify according to the Word. This video speaks so much to me as I definitely believe God wanted me to hear your message when He placed it in my CZcams recommendations. It’s unfortunate that in this day in age, it seems to be more and more difficult finding pastors and fellow believers representing Christ to the fullest. I appreciate you for not conforming to the world’s depiction of Christ and continuing to represent true biblical values. It’s difficult representing Christ in such a fallen world but seeing you and others with huge followings utilize your platforms to fight the good fight and speak boldly on controversial/difficult topics is encouraging! Thank you 🙏🏼 praying Christ continues to use you for His glory
Hi Allen. Wow, I knew about the last 3 experiences you had with church hurt, but the first 3 were shockers 😳 I’m so glad that you’ve stood with Jesus and fulfilling your purpose through ministry. You’ve been a blessing! This video was for me because I’ve been struggling with attending church since the pandemic. I’m honestly more comfortable attending church at home with my family and/or watching sermons on CZcams or RightNow Media. These sermons are more in-depth and help me better understand stricture to apply it to my life and teach and demonstrate Christ-like behavior to my children. I’m looking for a new church, but attending in-person for community and fellowship will be a tough transition with how much I enjoy services at home. I’m keeping this in prayer. Thank you for this message!
T. Michelle ....Ask the Lord to help you find a new church to attend in person (when covid permits) and still take the time to check the online messages too, since you are enjoying them......going to church in person is still a blessing though ....hope this helps 😄
@ T Michelle I totally understand, throughout my whole Christian walk I've learned more about Christ online than I ever have at an in-person fellowship. That was even before C*rona ironically.
I have had so much church hurt since we moved to the city when I was a teenager. I have not managed to connect with any church family for 38 years! Except one, but they started teaching things not entirely in line with Scripture so we left. It's not from a lack of trying. In most churches they don't let me serve in any capacity and I've offered and signed up. I'm bewildered. Yes I'm different, I have ADHD and I'm weird. But I'm willing to accept them faults and all, you would think church is a place where you would be accepted in a world full of rejection. I will admit to not attending very often. We do attend a home church group every Sunday evening in the home of a pastor and we gather to eat and fellowship and then have a lesson straight from the Bible. Here, I connect. Here I feel loved. But Pastor Charles says that home group is not a replacement of our home church services but a supplement. I just really don't want to go where I'm so obviously not wanted and not allowed to serve (they don't even want me wipe down tables after fellowship, but I found a rag and cleaner and did it anyway!) They changed slightly for a time after I was diagnosed with cancer, but now that it's old news I'm back to being the odd one out. And last month my one and only friend there passed away from her cancer. I'm working through these issues with God in my prayer time. So I'm not rejecting the Church but they are rejecting me.
It makes me so sad that they show you no love. It makes me very sorrowful for them, it sounds like they are missing out on a highly motivated, yet eccentric, daughter of God in their lives. I am sorry for you
I forgot to mention...please look up Richard Jacobson's church videos on CZcams. He presents a fresh look at what Jesus meant by 'being the church'. Enjoy.
I can feel ur pain brother. All I want to say right now is, I will pray for you! DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY WHAT HUMANS DO OR DO NOT DO TOWARDS YOU!!GOD LOVES U. HE CREATED U IN HIS IMAGE. PLEASE BELIEVE THAT. I WILL BE PRAYING FOR U, FOR IN SO SAYING, I AM BEGINNING TO HEAL. U TOO WILL HEAL. GOD LOVES YOU.
So very sad especially when you want to do something in the church, you want to serve, you want to do something to make a difference, and may the LORD grant you a place where you can serve at a place He has selected you. Many churches have no love it's waxed cold, and that's passed down from leadership to the people, know God loves you, and that He is always there when others are not, stay close to Him in this hour, God bless 🧡
I appreciate your insight! Connecting your relationship with your wife is a great connection between Christ and the church! (Ephesians 5:22-33). Most people in the church who claim they have been hurt by it probably haven’t experienced as significant of hurt as you! Thank you for sharing!! I have found tremendous help from the body of Christ. Back in high school I thought “church people” were Bible thumpers and mean, but now I understand healthy rebuke and the great Godly love shared amongst believers in the body! I struggle with anxiety, mostly racing thoughts, and having wise council in community helps me so much to focus on truth over my weird thought patterns.
Thank you Brother Allen for sharing this. This is EXACTLY where I'm at right now. My family and I were told close to 2 years ago that we were "no longer welcome to serve in this church" after 30 plus years of service. We took it as "Leave", so we left. We have found a local church where we go occasionally, but we have not committed to going because we are still wounded.
From the least unto the greatest, ALL are greedy for gain, prophets and priests alike, ALL practice deceit. Jer 6:13 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit, therefore they have become great and waxed rich. Jer 5:27 Unlike so MANY, we do not peddle the word of God for profit, ON THE CONTRARY, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, AS ONE SENT FROM GOD. 2 Cor 2:17 But he knoweth not that the dead are there and her guests are in the depths of sheol. Prov 9:18 This is just a small sample of what God has to say about these harlot houses people refer to as church buildings.
Thank you for staying despite all this Allen! You are a blessing to our family and we watch your videos faithfully. Thank you for allowing the Lord to use you to bless us and others!!
Here's more behaviors of an abuser. Makes rules to control all aspects of your life. Isolates you from friends and family. Telling you your nothing without him. Threatening you if you don't do as you're told. Wants control of what you say or think. And has an all consuming jealousy....put no other gods before me.
Allen's past experiences have given me insights as to how he came to such a rational and clear biblical view. Thank you for your time and dedication to your ministry brother!
@Jason albrecht A true born again believer walks by faith not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Our evidence is our faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God/Jesus.
Oh my goodness, I can't believe you went through all of that, brother Allen! 😥 I don't remember experiencing any church hurt, but sometimes I could feel silent judgement and felt really isolated and disconnected at times in certain churches. I struggle with Chronic anxiety and I'm still healing from past hurt, so it's difficult for me to meet at a place where I don't know know anyone. I really want my fiance to go with me and is considering it, so I please ask for prayers that he does go with me and stays for each sermon, and understands why it's important to go. I didn't even fully understand why it was important to keep going myself. Luckily, the church I started attending is a small church that's a 12 minute walk away from my place. I was offered and given rides, plus the pastor is humbling and his wife is a sweetheart, the deacon is humbling, and some of the church members and when we have missionaries come visit, it feels like a family reunion I actually want to go to. Hopefully this will be the right church for both me and Trei and that he'll understand the importance of attending. I'm going to show him this video. Thank you, brother Allen for sharing your experience and going into better detail of the importance of going to church 🕊️
That was a powerful message, and I pray that the holy spirit, continues to use this channel, as a tool to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ, and also to watch over brother Parr, and his family.
Thank you Allen for being open about your experience with church and not giving up on church!! 👍😃Thank you for your encouragement to stay involved in a church.I think anyone attending a church for several years is going to hurt there at some time and this is a great reminder of how we should handle it ❤️❤️I appreciate your channel 🙏🏻
I appreciate this message. I am in a difficult spot. My wife has been confined to a wheelchair for over three years. Her condition was completely preventable for many years, but she refused to seek medical attention until emergency surgery became critically necessary, and now she simply does not want to walk badly enough to work very hard for it. Because of her condition, she has turned her back on God and refuses to attend church. I do not want to attend church alone as if I am single (we are empty nesters).
Go, even if it means going alone. If you do, it will slowly lead her back as you come home happy and fulfilled. Staying home will only enable her and bring you down.
When two walk together this is how they help each other - when one is down the other MUST remain steadfast . Keep attending church , keep seeking to draw close to God this way you remain full filled and you can come home and overflow . If you stay at home and not attend church eventually she will drain you and two empty vessels sadly can’t help each other
Thank you so much for this, I really needed to hear this. I moved 2 years ago and still cannot find a church home, so I felt like giving up and just trying to do it from home. I really miss my old church, but I will keep trying to find my church that I fit in to. ❤
I have to say that at one point I was in this same position where I felt like I didn't want to be in church because of biblical correction which at that time I was being a fool and rebellious. However, thru God's help and the prayers of the brethren, I was able to repent, return to my church, and now I'm seeking to put the gifts God has given me to serve him and my local church.
Thank you for your steadfast teaching of the word of God. I'm am so glad that you shared with us, and thank for explaining that there are times we must leave a fellowship. We must remember that it is sometimes the leaders who represent the church that are perverted ,and who are wolves dressed in sheep clothing (Matthew 7:15) they are false prophets, and some are predators trying to steal kill and destroy the church which are God's people. The Bible tells us that even though we will experience these things ; the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church (Matthew 16:18 ). Blessings to you and your ministry brother Parr.
OMG that intro had me rolling HAHAHAHA I was like woah what's going on here?! LOL Amen Allen. We've all had some terrible experiences in church but it's no excuse to remove ourselves from the body of Christ as a whole.
This video is right on time for me, I’ve been going back and forth on attending church consistently due to people running me the wrong way and certain traditions being practiced but this video helped me to realign my focus on what’s really important.
Thank you so much. Lately, I have been feeling discouraged, and watching this message has changed my feelings towards making a huge mistake. Thank you again. God bless you and your family. 🙏😊
Love your videos Allen! Im getting back into church attendance after a 10 year hiatus and fell hard back into the world. It wasn't till about a year ago that I started attending a new church, but left after I saw some red flags. In this day and age, it is almost impossible to find a sound biblical church. And yes, I've been hurt and got bitter. I can't afford to be bitter. I ended up going back to my old church from my youth which got very, very toxic, but now is beginning to heal and I can see the holy spirit move! I think for now, God wants me there. I love God's people even though they can drive me a bit crazy at times. We're in this battle together. United we stand, divided, we fall! Brothers and sisters, if any of you belong to a good, bible believing church, praise Yahweh! It is rare to find a good church so if you do, embrace it and grow in your faith! Corporate worship is powerful. Amen!
Thank you brother for this! I’ve been at my local church since 2002. 20 years. I’ve loved it and still do. I’ve been wanting to serve in the music ministry but it took 3 months just to get an answer and have been asked to start off with the youth - thing is, I’m 40. So it’s a bit weird… but I’ll take what I can get. I didn’t think I was gonna get an answer for a while so I went out to evangelise instead and do open-air worship. It was just for myself and a few friends but now others have joined in and it’s been great. I’ve written a few songs that I’ve been wanting to do with the music team but it just never happened and I’m not sure it will. Last night, i watched the sermon online and one of the things that were said was that people are starting their own ministries outside of the church using church resources. This could be music or people and I felt like that was talking about me. I for one, wouldn’t out of my own strength even do something like that. That’s above me… and scary. Only by God, am I using the gifts for the body and the kingdom. I’m no Bruno Mars singer, I’m quite average but I can hold a note and sing in tune and harmonise bunt after hearing that part of the word, I may go in and chat with the Pastor cos I feel attacked if I am being ‘wicked’ - I’ve given up all creature comforts - entertainment, gaming, pop culture… I made those things an idol. All I have now, is time… and with that time, I wanna give it all back to God. Whatever it is… I feel lost and doubting that what I have been doing is wrong and wicked…
I’m surprised but pleased that you went through all those struggles and managed to still maintain your faith and ministry! Many people would have struggled.
Thank you Brother Allen for all that you do. These videos are so helpful as well entertaining to me. And cause of that easy to share with non believers and my friends who are seeking and searching for God.
@@shadowedlvnar1635 Let's open your statement up alittle. Let's say a true beliver belongs to the spiritual true church, not corporate. And a Christian may go to church or not, not knowing what 1stPeter 4:17, Matthew 24:15, 2ndThesalonions 2:2-11, and many other verses are saying to the true belivers, at this time.
Thank you for this! I have had such a difficult time finding a church. I was a part of one for a couple of years, but never really fit in. I have been going to churches around San Diego, but I find some things wrong, with which I fundamentally disagree. A common problem is the loud, annoying music by Hillsong, et al, that is prevalent in so many churches. . And sadly, I have come to realize that most pastors are to one degree or another, narcissistic. Most are asleep to the times we are beginning to go through as the last of the last days are here. I can relate to your experiences as several of mine have been very similar. An experience I am still going through with a church has been so crippling to me that I have been at my lowest point spiritually since I rededicated my life five years ago. I didn't go anywhere this morning. I have become weary with trying to find a body to be a part of. I know none are perfect, but I cannot seem to find one with whom I relate Biblically (having a very high view of Scripture), prophetically (understanding the urgency of Christ's message of warning to those of us in our day), musically (more traditional style music with lyrics that are solid and full of good theology). I know I cannot give up my search for a church family. Thanks for the encouragement.
Have you ever thought about a church with a mission, like to the Spanish or Asian community? I find that the plain old American church has lost its way and forgot it's true purpose.
They are all harlot houses, not churches. HIS church is called out of every denomination and sect of carnal churchianity. They don't follow men in temples made with hands. They don't lust for men to guide and teach them. They hear the voicebof the Good Shepherd and they don't follow strangers and hirelings who preach for profit. From the least unto the greatest, ALL are greedy for gain, prophets and priests alike, ALL practice deceit. Jer 6:13 You can take that verse to the bank, it's true for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
@@CastOut555 I feel the same about all of them. I think there is a time and season when we are a part of these institutions. At an appointed time, we are called out of them when we receive the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth. At that point, we hear the voice of the Son of God and are quickened by the Spirit. We are separated unto God and no longer look to men to guide and teach us. The only place I would fit in is with a group of people who have experience with being called out and only trust in God to teach them. Otherwise there would be no fellowship of the mysteries. The whole church system is still relying on the wisdom of men, the scriptures are still a mystery to them. That's why there are so many divisions and contradictions between sects and denominations. We are under tutors and governors until the time appointed by the Father. Then we are separate, called out. His church is the called out ones. We all have our time in Babylon, bring tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine by the sleight of MEN and their cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive. That is how we are when we are still attending these gatherings and looking to MEN to guide us and teach us. I know that was a long winded answer to your question but that's just what I felt I should share with you. I personally have no problem with the JW institution, I have met many nice people that are witnesses. Still just full of man's wisdom though, still mystery Babylon.
@@jm1733 Um, I was actually replying and asking this question to the maker of the post Billy but I guess it didn't @ him,lol But I think this was a convenient little accident as your response was perfect! I feel you 💯. I've read countless posts of people leaving thier church and still haven't been able to find a "good church" and it saddens me that there are those that are yearning to glorify God and want fellowship but the churches today are all corrupted and ran by granted "imperfect men" (yes imperfect men were chosen with great honor to do the will of God in biblical times) BUT these men today are prideful and don't follow the bible eventually leading the flock astray. Even more unsettling, false teaching is more prevalent even more so today with all these New Age, New Faith, you name it movements permeating in the churches. I can write a whole book but long story short, I am an Ex-jw for 4 years now and I recently received the Holy Spirit....2 days ago! So I am doing a ton of research! YOUR comment spoke to me because I feel discouraged that I will never find a "church" to go to. I did research to put to rest my burning question, Does one even have to go to church ? My research showed that attending church is not for US but to glorify God so it's not about how comfortable we feel. However, I have suffered alot of "Church hurt" and I don't mind worshipping at home to myself. I actually feel closer to God that way BUT I can't stop thinking about the scripture that talks about Jesus being the head of the church and we are the body of Christ so me leaving the church equated me leaving Christ. Along with research, I've also have dreams etc. So I'm still conflicted I suppose but I pray God will make everything clear to me. Your theory isn't too far fetched as the bible do talk about Bablyon the great being destroyed so maybe I should stay out of the church and did myself a favor?...ugh. It's a conundrum, lol I guess a wrote a novel too. Lol
I left the church when I was 15. Thank God I came back to the church I grew up in. Most members have passed on. Our church is still standing after 110 years. Praise the Lord for coming back. Thank you Brother Allen. Keep doing your videos. God bless you!
I pray with you brother. I too left my church due to leadership issues (very complicated). I since found a very loving church, but not very doctrinally sound, so I still yearn and search for a church that is both biblical and loving.
Understand champ I've been outside of the actual fellowship for 5 plus years but I study on the regular had the most terrible experience in the building I thought I was on the streets back in the day with the fellas. And sense that I just can't put myself and my family in that situation again. But I truly see your perspective from the scriptures appreciate you champ salute.
Thanks for sharing that. I study every now and then, but haven't gone to "church" in years. I don't know a place to go that teaches the Bible. I'm antisocial and an introvert, so it's not at the top of my list of things to do. Social ppl can at least get that out of going to church, when i do go it's super stressful.
What I do now is meet with a group of men and we study the scriptures together and it works for me. And I truly understand what the words says concerning scripture let me give you a little bit more of my story I'm a ordain minister of the gospel for about 15 years now and my experience was terrible and this is not my first experience the hate lies back biting back stabbing false Doctrine it was an extremely unhealthy for me and my family. I've tried multiple fellowship and they all end up bad for me. So I refuse to put me and my family through this again.my fellowship now works for me we study God's word and am growing and I am truly thankful for these group of men God bless you and I hope some day you can also find something that works for you.
Hello brother Allen. I truly believe that Church is important. It’s a challenge for me though, because of language barrier. I’m not a native English speaker and I still struggle to express myself fluently to other church members. Praying to God to always give me courage to face my fears. Finally found a Bible based church near our home.
Brother Allen you are doing great!! This message is right on time!!! I am apart of a local Church with my wife. I wholeheartedly agree with your message! God bless you!!
I'm going to have to listen to this in sections, but I love where you're going with this. Thankfully, I do not know any believers who have walked away from the Church of God. What drives me nuts, and a lot of other believers is that even when we're saved, some people are still asking "What church do you go to?" Hearing that question hurts, and it goes double to the believer with autism. My issue was that I was miserable in the group that I grew up with, and most of it was, and still is made up of my extended family on my mother's side. I've got a huge passion for music, and smaller conservative churches don't know how to handle musicians like me, because if they'd let me, I'd be pushing some boundaries. No, I left that setting because God called me out to go to another church group, and the hospitality is better.
Great content as always Allen. So happy to see your channel growing organically like this over the years. The hand of God is clearly with you. God bless you and your family.
In regards to church hurt I highly recommend a book I read that brought me biblical rivers of healing. The book is called: Wounded by God's people. By: Anne Graham Lotz. May it help anyone who has been harmed by another Christian. Love wholeness and repair be yours in the name of Christ Jesus
@@AbeVsTheWorld Indeed! It was originally the title that captivated me to read the book and so glad I did. I deeply needed the release and healing biblically
@@memastarful I mean I have been wronged by the church several times already. I always remind myself of Psalm 118:8. But still, would be interested in this author's take.
@@AbeVsTheWorld I just read psalms 118:8 thank you for sharing it. I agree this psalm very true and appropriate for this CZcams podcast subject discussion 👍 😀
So many negative assaults you COULD have easily been discouraged forever! But by PERSERVERING you by the power of Christ in you, pushed against that spiritual warfare that was trying to STOP your current ministry. Praise God and to Him be the glory that you did not give up and quit. Even with some of the negative comments you have received your integrity and biblical truth still prevail. May God continue to protect and bless and guide. I enjoy your channel so much! It’s incredibly helpful and spot on! Keep on keeping on brother!! 🙏💕🙏💕🙏💕🙏💕🙏
I want my brothers and sisters to understand what church means. Then, we can never have another discussion about leaving "church" The church is translated from ekklesia. Ekklesia means SENATE, a chosen people hand picked from the king...church NEVER meant "building" but a group of people...So no. You can never leave church if your part of the body of Christ for WE are the Church Yeshua created on that faithful day... But you can leave a building that you consistently meet at. Love yall Also....Just in case someone say this... when Yahweh sent letters to the 7 churchs. There weren't 7 buildings. It was 7 cities. 7 cities filled with believers
And thank you for this comment. I last attended service in April 2019. I have grown so much in the Lord and I discovered I was full of man-made teachings from the pulpit, twisting God's Word and no positive results. I thank God for this time I'm at home, growing in the Lord by reading the Word, praying and fasting and also serving the way the Holy Spirit leads me to serve other people. Sometimes I desire a gathering for the sake of my kids but, where do I find one without these man-made teachings.
Amen sister.sometimes God takes you out.because it is making you ineffective or flat. I do the same thing fasting is important. It's says when not if you fast.youare required. There's power there not many do this today.keep in the word your being blessed by God with wisdom and insight continue to seek his face let the spirit lead you always. Worship him in spirit and truth that how you have true worship.
@@hisheir4002 If that works for you great But for most believers who stop going to a church fellowship, they become weak and worldly people. But it helps to have people who you can confide with. Allan is right for 90% of us Christians find a church and STAY in church Amen
Hi Allen I’ve experienced church hurt at my local church and had to leave . I left for about a month and then came back. It still is difficult to be there because things are not resolved and my heart is still in pain. I know I have to forgive but it hasn’t been easy. Your videos have helped to understand what forgiveness really looks like but I admit it really is hard to do!
I'm so sorry to hear this! And this is absolutely not an easy situation... Anyone who says "just do this" must understand that it's a very uncomfortable "just do this" But I would encourage you to look at what the Bible says about what forgiveness actually looks like... Often you'll find communication linked with it... A chance for reconciliation. Discussion, and revealing. Does the other person/people know they've hurt you? And if you've tried to discuss it, are they interested in talking it out? Or do they dismiss it because it's uncomfortable... I've discussed things with my church family, and though they never hurt me, sometimes I feel like they give me lip service to make the uncomfortable conversation go away... It's very unsatisfying I don't think it's unreasonable to bring these topics up to find that resolution. Lastly, I'll say, forgive means to "give up". It's giving up the right to be offended... So if you've truly forgiven, and given up the right of offense, then maybe what you're feeling isn't unforgiveness, but that feeling when something hasn't been resolved... That maybe it will happen again to you, or someone else, and it still needs to be talked about. I am getting a little teary at that last statement, and again, I'm sorry this happened. I love you, sister in Jesus, and I'm praying for you and your church! :)
Ask the Lord, for your healing, sometimes it will mean leaving that congregation and ask the lord to lead you to a church with good leadership. you don't have to take abuse and stress, which happens a lot in many churches. God bless and I am praying for you!
I know this is a hard issue, and the churches need to take heed in this, the leadership need to fix what is broken, I am not saying all churches. It was difficult to return and I didn't and I am ok with that. I so enjoy hearing Pastor Allen teach me all things I had not seen before and I love it. and I will continue to do so unless JESUS tells me something else.
So far I don't agree because the scripture doesn't command us neither does Jesus Command us to attend temples. So far what I heard was formulating scripture out of context burdening believers To attend temple worship and convince them to get locked into a denomination ecosystem that asks for money. My personal conviction ,it just doesn't quit fit the freedom we have in Jesus Christ which dwells in our physical temple. I've actually grown stronger in faith with Jesus Christ outside of the temples.
@@cyberican9988 Jesus calls us the temple. Paul expands on this thought... That we are living stones joined together by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians is a fav of mine for this) So I don't know why you're calling it temple worship, or attending temples... It's more like a gathering place for the Temple to be built together. I'm sure as the days approach the % of churches doing it wrong is growing... But there's a Godly, bible teaching church that you don't need, but actually needs you! There's a lot more scriptures pointing to the fact you are needed. Not that you are in need...
Loved this video sir!! Extremely informative and bottom-line…real talk! Thank you for your transparency and for sharing what you went through, and then how to counter those negative experiences with healthy and productive advice. The “great falling away” from the church is happening and I am so grateful for this information you shared. God bless you and keep going sir! You’re definitely a blessing to the Body of Christ!
Depression keeps me from going to Church a lot of times but when i go i am so blessed. I am really thankfull for christian youtubers so i can get the word even when i am not able to go to church. Thank you. Can anyone recommend other youtubers that are also faithfull to the Bible to me?
When the pandemic started I have stopped attending church service. I do watch the online service but I feel empty of the joy I once experienced. I agree with everything that was stated on your pod cast. But the statement about the church being the bride of Christ hit me hard. What a great comparison with our own wife and how we would feel if anyone would try to divide us. Thank you for the truth. Blessings to you and your ministry. Tim
Very timely and necessary message…there’s a shocking number of people now who are abandoning not only the church but their faith in God as well. I love your delivery Bro Parr, may God continue to bless you
Churches not all but many are getting away from teaching clearly the Bible. It's becoming more business oriented money, growing size and recruiting volunteers to serve serve serve without spiritually feeding them. There needs to be cleansing in the church and healing for God's wounded people
We just had an event at my local church talking about church hurt with the young adults. One of the things I brought up is separating church hurt from Gods character. We’re planning to have a part two because part one was so good.
On point. Elevating God's character above that of the Church will stabilize your character in all experiences, whether it be in times of trial and testing or comfort and celebration. Well done your local church👍
This is soooo good! Thank you so much. I hear you. My family went through a lot of hurt, mostly my son when he was young. We have decided to leave because it got so bad and because the church is legalistic. My husband and I have found a good church but my son is now questioning if God is real. It breaks my hurt but God started something in him and he will finish it Amen! I sent this to my son, so please pray he finds his way back. Thank you!
great advice ! i have stopped attending church after hurts and covid as a staff. Yes I'm not putting my family before my feeling. I still don't think my church is a healthy place to grow but I need to find a church to let me and my family to continuously to grow spiritually and serve the community. Thanks for sharing your testimony and encouraged us to re-think and leave all the hurts and bitterness behind, the Bride of Jesus is important for all the believers!
Lmao that intro. I agree Alan. Stopped going to church for a while because covid and I felt so distanced from God despite praying and reading my Bible everyday.
There is NOTHING wrong that many people did not go to Church during the beginning of the Pandemic. God understands ALL. This is why we keep Jesus on our hearts and minds.
I’m a pastor of a growing church that we planted 8 years ago. People have left the church that i pastor…some for good reasons. One guarantee that i can give to the congregation that I lead…is that Im committed to growing as a leader and as a believer. Before i became a senior pastor I’ve worked and led in several churches where I was hurt. But in all honesty, I still LOVE the local church! Thank you for this video Allen!!
So far I don't agree with this video because the scripture doesn't command us neither does Jesus Command us to attend temples. So far what I heard was formulating scripture out of context burdening believers To attend temple worship and convince them to get locked into a denomination ecosystem that asks for money. My personal conviction ,it just doesn't quit fit the freedom we have in Jesus Christ which dwells in our physical temple. I've actually grown stronger in faith with Jesus Christ outside of the temples. What I mostly hear is people picking and choosing scripture that to convince people they should go to these temples where God does not dwell. It seems like placing a burden on believers or causing guilt if they don't " get in a church" it feels dishonest.
@@cyberican9988 I must admit I can see your point. I have always had mixed thoughts and emotions in regards to churchianity. However there is something about a gathering of believers together to worship
@@memastarful yes absolutely , I enjoy linking up with believers from time to time. Also , I just want to point out for example my wife and I are believers and us two gather everyday , I know that's not everyone's situation but it's a good example of when two or more are gathered in his name he is with us. Also not saying he isn't with just one believer ,obviously he is always with us ,I just wanted to point this out. But yes,I do agree getting with a bigger group of believers is wonderful. Peace sis.
Late to the comment section, but let's feed the CZcams algorithm anyhow. I had a church that I loved. A family that I was heavily attached to. Until the pastor in a private conversation made it every clear one side of the political aisle was not welcome in his eyes. It broke my heart. I had been going there for years. After that conversation, I had a pretty clear idea that I needed to find another place to be in worship. I didn't stop going to the one church. I started asking around. I watched some online videos of local families. I go to a church where I've learned more about the bible in under a year than I did at the previous in over 7 years. I felt like I had to relearn everything I knew. But I am closer to God and stronger in my walk. Thank you for sharing your experiences. Sometimes it's easy to fell alone when put into situations like that. Much love!
Thank you Brother Allen for this video. God's timing is incredible! I experience some church hurt but it was the after effects from what happened at my old home church. I was in College still recovering from a surgery during all of this. It was very sad to see most people I knew were no longer there & some people I knew left the church all together from what happened months after. After College, I was working but didn’t like that my job had me working on Sundays & the one Sunday I was off I went to church & my Pastor at the time was having a time for prayer & asking for people that wanted to pray during certain hours. I didn’t raise my hand because I wasn’t sure what hour would work for me with my work schedule having me come at different times & it was far from where I live. The Pastor called me out that I didn’t raise my hand & it made me very uncomfortable. I wasn’t sure & would have to check my schedule to see what time worked (I forgot my response a bit but my brother said I could’ve answered it better) and what the Pastor said to me in front of the congregation really rubbed me the wrong way. I was definitely hurt & I knew I wasn’t going to be staying at my old home church any longer but I know I didn’t want to stop going to a church so I was checking some churches on my own & finding a new home church for a few years. That was hard & difficult since I got use to going to church with my family at my old home church or with friends from College till Senior Year. I was use to always having company with me but I know it’s a step of growing up & little by little being independent as I would have to get out of my comfort zone to start over. I found a church but attending online for a while with the pandemic but it’s not far from home. The discipleship class really helped me gain community during the pandemic. I was hurt by some comments from someone to me in my group during it & I didn’t want that to be the reason I leave the church and with how the church was dealing with the pandemic really bugged me when my Dad wasn’t feeling well at home at the time. Let’s just say God really is teaching me some things during this and I know it is a process to forgive and not let the enemy win by trying to convince me to stay angry or starting to hate the church. I’m glad that the church is a Bible based church & my mom can tell by the sermons that the Pastors preach. I'm glad that I still watch the service even online and getting involved in the discipleship class. I would like to serve in a church again because at my old home church I was part of the worship team for a long time and really miss using my gifts in the church. To be honest I don't know if that is the church God wants me to call home again. I know that no church is perfect but I really don't want to go through the hurt again from what happened at my old home church since it brought up bad memories. I'm glad the leader of the group of the discipleship class encourages me to pray for God's wisdom & healing through all of this. If I serve I hope I don’t burn out again by using my gifts a lot at work & at church if I join the worship team. I hope to overcome feeling lonely & the hurt from what happened my old church (even though I saw the after effects of it) with God’s help when I go back in person again to attend. I think about the youth from my old home church & know it was hard for them being there in person seeing from what what happened at my old home church. I hope they go back to attending church again & that God continues to heal them from church hurt years ago if that is holding them back.
Wow, this comment related to me so much! It's like I wrote it. Dealing with the same and have found myself in a conundrum. I know I have to go back to the body of Christ but still dealing with "Church hurt" and don't want to go back in fear history will repeat itself as it took me a while to heal. I wish I can just find a place that I can call home and be comfortable furtive been learning it's not about being comfortable all the time as there are no perfect churches. Currently leaving it in God's hands to change my heart and with the help of the H.S either,I guide me back or to a better worship place. It's a journey. I see I am not alone so this comment was encouraging💖 Also, may I ask what church you're attending?
Wow, this comment related to me so much! It's like I wrote it. Dealing with the same and have found myself in a conundrum. I know I have to go back to the body of Christ but still dealing with "Church hurt" and don't want to go back in fear history will repeat itself as it took me a while to heal. I wish I can just find a place that I can call home and be comfortable furtive been learning it's not about being comfortable all the time as there are no perfect churches. Currently leaving it in God's hands to change my heart and with the help of the H.S either,I guide me back or to a better worship place. It's a journey. I see I am not alone so this comment was encouraging💖 Also, may I ask what church you're attending?
Like you, my most important contributions to the Kingdom have been outside of the local church. I’ve been burned by the local church and I’ve hurt others in turn. However, I still believe in the importance of the local church and that it should receive the first-fruits of our time, talent and treasure. I serve at my church, playing bass on the worship team. I know I could do more (because I have in the past), but I’m not going to push any agenda or try to raise my profile. I already have a platform on CZcams and a community (the virtual choir) that enjoys working with me. If the opportunity arises to lead at the local church level I will take what is offered, but I won’t pursue it!
Good point. Because I've been in full time ministry and served behind the pulpit in the past (and still do missions and CZcams ministry), it's hard to know what level of involvement I should have in the local church. I don't want to be a mere consumer/pew-sitter. Sometimes it feels like too many big fish in a small pond though. Just subbed your channel. Keep up the good work there!
When i saw your profile pic, I exclaimed to myself 'is that David Wesley?' I was very pleased to see you on Bro. Allen's platform to make a comment. I too made a comment previously. Bro. Allen is amazing & very knowledgeable about scripture and interpretations of such. However, I digress. You are amazing 👏🏽 🎵 🎼 and have a God given gift. i've viewed your virtual choir and was mesmerized. Worshipping through music 🎶 is one of my favorite things to do. I look at your video of "In Christ Alone" at least twice a week. Listening to your natural voice, the lyrics and the power behind them gives me such joy, peace, and keeps my focus on things eternal 🙌🏽🙏🏽 Thank you David Wesley. God bless you, your families, friends and endeavors for the kingdom. Only what we do for Christ will last 💯 ✝️♥️
Hi Allen This is a great discussion. Im part of a very small church in upstate new york. About 30 people, less than 20 normally each sunday. Been going there about 12 years now. Anyway for a few years now I've also had temptations to stop attending church. Not sure why. But I know that if i remove myself I am removing myself from their covering and help with life. We really do care about eachother. They love me alot...this church loves me more than any other church i've ever been to. We do not fight, argue, or treat eachother poorly. Its not allowed in our church. I am so thankful to be part of a church where we really do love eachother. Its extremely rare. So Ive decided that even though there are occasionally things that I dont like about church, there are more good things than bad.
The church my husband and I were members of closed its doors to us when the plandemic came on the scene in 2020. They literally closed its doors, yet had the audacity to constantly remind us to give financially. We started attending another church, but it is more concerned with worldly issues than preaching the word of God. We're going to attend our former church because we miss some friends there. Thank you, Allen, for pointing some things out for us.
AMEN! Three points to consider: 1 Compare your hurt to what Jesus went through on the cross. 2 Read & Practice the Lord's Prayer, 1 Corinthians 13 and Colossians 3: 12-17. 3 Consider your own sins and how much God has forgiven and continues to forgive you daily. Your channel is a real blessing! Thank you!🙋🏼♂️📖⛪
How do you know you’ve been forgiven of anything and how does a god sacrificing himself to himself to exploit his own loophole to save humanity from his own wrath even remotely applicable to our lives?
@@mattcool941 That is a circular argument. You can’t use the bible to prove the bible is true. Why not convert to any other religion that makes those exact claims.
AMEN!!! I was molested as a kid but I didn’t turn completely away from men. We all have a sad story but don’t let that turn u away from the bride of Christ.
My husband grew up in church but the church had a big falling out and split. His parents decided they could serve God more within their own family. Flash forward to now… no one in his family goes to a church and he went a few times with me when our children were little but never full time and doesn’t at all now that our children are grown. Thank you for this session as I’m going to try and get him to listen to it but he cussed me out three days ago for playing a Christian tik tok without my headphones. I know it is because the Holy Spirit is convicting him but it is so hard and I actually back slid and stopped going for many years bc it was easier on our relationship. Not that I’ve recommitted my life to Christ and the church for the past three years our relationship has been more strained than ever.
I'm 51 years old, born again when I was nine years. Been in a small church all my life, worked every position but a pastor. If the church becomes more than a birthing room, if the church becomes more than an place of worship and learning, you have a problem. Jesus said if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me! Lift Jesus up in the church, lift Jesus up everywhere you go! Leave your selfish flesh at the cross, and then you will have church! Our churches are programmed to death! The program we need is Jesus, he is the great programmer!
These stories make me so grateful of th church I go to. It isn't perfect, but they stress the importance of Christian character to an incredibly high degree in church leadership. This may be why I haven't experienced or heard of any spiritual abuse.
That's why I don't like this video....If someone listens to him .And goes when and joins a church that they don't feel peace about..just out of guilt or fear that Jesus is going to be mad at them.....And they end up getting abused not like he was keys say out right sexually abused...Allen is not gonna be there for them...Think about it he's giving advice on here but if people listen to them.He not gonna take responsibility.....for what happens to them..or be there to pray them through...If all theses people are complaining about what's goin on in churches and we don't even know each other...Maybe it's time for a real leader to address these thing instead of shaming people because they don't know where to go to church at that they will feel safe . People want to feel safe... THATS the reason people have stopped going......
My grandpa knows so much about the bible him and my nana accepted the lord so long ago and he helped her learn so much about the bible...I miss her so much my grandpa still watches videos and learns more everyday. My beautiful nana and I went to a new one a few Times but it seemed like they were just all about money.. maybe we still could have went though idk..I found a new one and I'm so sad because my beautiful grandmother would have loved it 😔
Thank you for sharing. I have been really struggling with giving up after serving God for 50 years. The last 6 years have been the hardest i have ever been through. I have a lot to consider now.
This video hits close to home. I've experienced church hurt numerous times since I got saved about a decade ago. One of the recurring types of church hurt for me is clique-ish behavior in churches. It's been in every church I've ever belonged to and I'm getting really burned out from it. People don't see cliques as big deals or as sin, but I believe it is sin. The sin of partiality as the letter of James speaks about. They hurt really bad as well. And you never want to say anything because you're afraid of being branded as a trouble maker.
Blessings brother Denzel…err…Allen…lol! I agree 100% with what you said and unfortunately can empathize with some of the “church hurt” you went through as I’ve gone through similar ones as well. I simply wanted to pick at something; Heb 10:25 does states “…not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some” but I having a hard time seeing this passage as a commandment. Nevertheless, I agree that we should not abandon the local church . Stay blessed!!!
I was involved in a church that would read two verses and then the pastor would talk about his life for the next 45 minutes I'm looking for a Bible believing Church here in Minneapolis Minnesota preferably Baptist reformed the one I was at the pastor's actually believe in people like Benny hinn so I had to get out of there
Yeah this one hit me pretty hard. I've been watching online for the last couple years due to kids and the pandemic (I've gone deep and learned alot). However, I have felt convicted about this lately and this just reinforced that conviction. I miss and need the fellowship, and I need to get our lazy butts to church. Thanks for this Allen.
I'm new to my current church. I'll never forget that time when our late pastor called me out in the pulpit and forced me to give to one of his "church projects" (not really about advancing the Kingdom, mind you!). He and his gossip-loving wife lived lavishly and put the burden on the members. That was the last time we talked. He died with COVID-19. Good riddance, I thought. Now our church is slowly reviving. Pray me that I forgive him and let go of the resentment, and for our local church, because his legacy was a church indifferent for the lost. Oh, did I mention that he actively condemned on the pulpit, me and the discipleship group I was starting? To think that all I did was with his permission, but the "spiritual" wife always feeds him rubbish! His wife is currently trying to usurp the authority of our deacons, but we the members fended her off with Scriptures! God be glorified!!!
I would love to be a part of a church. I come from a conservative background where fighting in the church was the regular thing, splitting up etc No good fruits to show for. I lost my faith in God after growing up in that environment. In my 20's I found my way to a personal relationship with God at home, and since then for 4 years I've been trying to find a church . What I find in a church today is nothing compared what the Bible talks about tho . Christians attend church just for the sake of feeling good, like they got a stamp that they have been to church and now go home after. No intimacy , no caring very self centered , no influence on the community . No helping the poor . And with covid the willingness to shut the doors for 2 years (I'm in canada) Idk I really want to be part of a church, but a church that wants to behave sacrificial, help others , be there for one another, be there for society and make a change. Why should I settle for a lukewarm church that let me loose faith in God prior in my life. I want to be part of a church , I don't want to settle for superficial Christianity tho
Hey BEAT family! I can't wait for you to view this video and let me know your thoughts. I'd love to hear where you are at right now in your church journey. Have you experienced church hurt? Have you been disconnected with church? Let me know what's happening in your world and your thoughts on this video below. Enjoy!
My jaw dropped when I saw the intro. I think that for anyone who doesn't watch the rest of the video it's a huge turn off. I understand that it's a quote but I think you should remove it from the intro and keep it in its proper context. I love you and your videos so don't think I'm saying anything negative about you or your content in general. I just think this one overstepped its bounds a little bit. I hope you understand that it's meant to be helpful.🙂 God bless!
Brother Allen, 2 things, 1 am I mistaken or did I see video where you go over when it might be time to leave the church you're attending?! I feel like u did and I cant find it but I could be wrong. Number 2, I sent u a message on fb (you probably have millions of messages lol) . I just need to ask you to please pray for my mom. She is in a serious situation and needs all the prayers she can get. Thank you!
Sorry, I meant to add my mom's name is Tina. (I'm Mitch by the way). Love your vids. They really help me out. Again thanks a million.
I have, but God has been really clear and His Spirit helpful in guiding my wife and I to navigate through it, heal from it and unshaken by it. I am currently functioning as a campus pastor in our church, and people "giving up" attending and connecting and engaging the body is one of our biggest realities right now. So, this year our focus is on how God wants us to address this issue and lovingly encourage them to take a look at their reasons and also the Biblical side and allow the Spirit of God to convict and show them on His timing and terms!
Allen, I'm grieved to hear what happened to you! But thank God you've remained faithful to the Lord and His Church and continue to be such a great leader on CZcams!
Great video as usual Brother Allen. My journey has been a long one. However, I was at a local church, my reason for not returning is due to the teaching of a light prosperity gospel message. Now I know there are other local church's I can look into, which I am. I got a question though, the church I do attend is not local, thus my attendance is online. And I love the way the pastor preaches. He's actually one of the pastors you mentioned in your top 5 pastor video. I guess my question is am I wrong from a biblical standpoint for attending online rather than local? Thank you for your time and keep up the great work your doing for God's kingdom
that intro caught me so off guard 😂
I know! 😧😂 Put into context, I understood it, but wow!
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The Beat RELOADED
Right! 😂😂
That intro was too real 🤣🤣🤣... Sometimes we may need a new church home however there is nothing that should ever get a believer to turn their back on the church as God created it, AMEN!
Wasn't expecting that 😂😂😂
I had to replay it cause I was like "wait a min..." haha
Bro I literally just saw the video from John mccrae about black people using the N word to hear you are using the N word I'm screaming 🤣
@@vanessaramirez6808 lol I replayed it like 4 times. I was so confused, like huh??! lol 😂😂
@@vanessaramirez6808 me too! 😆
You are the church, we are the church, The Temple of the most high the Temple made without hands.......
Church is not a building but a body of believers.
I needed to hear this. Since I left the church most 3 years ago, no one has ever told me these important things. Thank brother Allen.
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I go visit 3 times a year... just to see if they have Bibles or if it's listen to the pastor.... nobody reads the Bible these days. Just an emotional experience. 😢
"5/30/11 From The Lord, Our God and Savior
The Word of The Lord Spoken to Timothy
For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear
Thus says The Lord: I have bestowed many gifts upon this generation, and lo, the small of My flock have received knowledge and revelation beyond compare. Yet I ask you, who has truly received? Who has been humbled by My words and given thanks? Who among all these scattered flocks has taken joy in My gifts? Beloved, who among this great multitude seeks out My will, to know it? And who, among all these so-called believers, takes pleasure in My Law, saying, “I delight to do Your will, O God, for Your Law is written in my heart”?[1]
Yet My people remain foolish, and this little flock envious. For I tell you the truth: Unrighteous jealousy is the companion of fools. For those who envy also grab hold of jealousy, walking hand in hand with covetousness. Beloved, there is but One who sees, One who knows, only One who searches the hearts and minds - I AM HE. How is it then that My people sit in judgment, judging My Word and My will, resisting My ways as they look upon others with contempt? Shall you also seek to ascend above The Most High?! Shall you sit upon My throne?! For I tell you the truth, each time you sit in judgment and question My ways, you walk in satan’s aspirations; you follow in his footsteps![2]
And when I bless another, why do you not take joy in it? And when I correct you, why do you resist and question My ways? Am I not The Lord? Do I not give to each according to their faith, according to that which I see in their heart? Why do you in your arrogance set a line for Me to follow, or think within yourselves there must be a better way? And how is it you continually compare yourselves amongst yourselves, knowing this is unwise?[3] Beloved, I have prepared a place for you! Therefore offer up thanksgiving, and cease from your complaints. Forgive and bless, let go and obey, love one another and wash each other’s feet. Take joy in all I do, especially in that which I bestow upon another. And when I feed you, eat from your own plate and give thanks.
Little flock, it is the last hour, yet many of you have stepped backward. Let it be known to you: One who treads the path, going up and down, stepping on and off at their convenience, treads not the path, but is like one who treads water. By no means shall they be able to keep their head above water, nor shall their strength deliver them in the Day of Troubles.
Therefore heed My words, and also do them;
Be wise in your dealings with Me,
Humble yourselves and remember...
Blessed are those who run to Me,
For they shall be blessed in My presence;
Even more blessed are those who run to Me,
Then obey My Word, for their blessing
Is complete and they are at peace...
Deliverance they shall surely know...
Says The Lord."
www.thevolumesoftruth.com/Delight_in_the_Ways_of_The_Lord
I can relate to church hurt…
I experienced betrayal and deception. Thank you Allen for sharing your story. This is so encouraging to see how much the Lord is using you today.
Amazing, God had Set Allen on His Plan For Him. SIX Times the evil one tried to thwart God's Plan, But The Lord Granted Allen to Be Steadfast, to Stand Firm, and Not be deterred from The Lord's Path. Give God Thanks and Praise, For Being and Strengthening Allen's Faith! You Got Here In the end Allen, and we Thank The Lord For What You Do! God Bless Your Ministry and Family Allen.
I hurt the church, left both the church AND GOD, got my tail WHOOPED by the world to rock bottom status, found God in a REAL way, embedding Him in my heart, and am grateful to still be here due to His forgiveness, grace, mercy, and patience with me. Sometimes, people need to see what it's like to have God remove His hand from you. It was the BEST THING that's ever happened to me.
@Robert Davis great share.. I was in world wayyyyyy too long, thought it had answers. It did not. God called me outta new age, WOF NAR bad bad teachings. His Grace is mind blowing 🤯
@@peacefuldoves AMEN!!!!
Wow, great testimony ❤
@@kathygoetzinger God bless you! Thank you!
Robert Davis.. I left these new age false fellowships, and The Most High has been protecting, and blessing me wayyy more than when I was in the institution calling itself church... That's All Cap Allen is spitting. Just look at your surrounding neighborhoods where absolutely NOTHING is being built while these fellowships are sucking all the wealth out of our communities through our women.
As a child I was bullied and ostracized in the church. Pastor's wife would have other youth bully and harass me. My biggest church however was two years ago being put out of a church for being depressed and suicidal. To a point I can see it from their pov because my depression manifest himself in anger. The anger on my part came from years of not being taken seriously. I was not only put out but there was so many rumors being spread about me not from the regular lay members but by the deacons and elders. They would threaten any one ( ministry leaders) not to let me in their ministry telling them that I was crazy. I wasn't crazy just depressed, hurting and looking for a reason to live. At my lowest I was put out. But God! He wiped every year dusted me off reminded me of my purpose in him. He placed me in a wonderful church home. I love my new church. I am free to share my struggles with depression without being condemned. I am encouraged in the word! God has put me in a place where I am loved and embraced. One thing that has helped me was knowing that Jesus truly understood because the Pharisees and Sadducees which represented the church in Jesus day looked for ways to kill him! The people in his hometown tried to throw him off a hill because they didn't like his message that he was anointed to free the capitives and give sight to the blind. Simply because they saw him as only Joseph the carpenter's son and not as the Messiah. To all those going through church hurt I encourage you to keep in God realize that there is also tares in the church but don't let them deter you from a true relationship with God!
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Amen wonderful testimony,🧡
Thanks for sharing. I have a similar story. I used to be a pretty social kid, but once I reached a 7 or so, I suffered from extreme anxiety and behavioral outbursts. I think it made me an outcast in the eyes of some kids and possibly parents. I was never bullied, but was constantly excluded. And every friend I brought to church was insulted by some of the other girls. I’ve found more friendship and “real people” in the world than in the church.
I hope that I can find a new church… a decent one in the future where I can use my gifts and experiences to improve people’s lives and minds.
@@gigahorse1475 I remember being angry with the people in the church for not taking depression seriously. I actually received more compassion and help from those who had no interest in knowing God. Then from those who claimed that they do. So I totally get what you are saying about having had more real friends in the world. Despite what you have been through know that there is still some wonderful Christ filled churches out there. Trust that God will lead you to one. You will be amazed at how God will use your testimony to strengthen and draw others to Him.
Wow. This hit me right on my forehead. With the pandemic, I got used to seeking spiritual nurishment via online services, bible studies and worship. I felt ok but lately have been convicted about not using my gifts in the local church. Not bad experiences, just complacency. Your ministry has influnced those convictions: The Beat, Bible study made easy and Let's equip community. Thanks for sharing and for being so transparent about personal experiences. Im learning alot from you and your wife, now I need to put this knowledge into practice. Thanks.
Right there with you...
I couldn't have said it better myself.
My name is De Shawn and I approve this message!🥺🙏🏾
I have tears in my eyes, because like you Ivonne, I got used to attending church online and feel I need to be using my gifts and talents in the physical church. After watching Allen's video, my spirit has not been able to rest knowing that I need to be in a local church (preferably in my community), as I have seriously been feeling convicted that I am not using my gifts in the local church (I am a musician -- bass player and a drummer). I don't feel right not being in a local church and am continuously praying to the LORD to lead me to a local church here in the community for which I live (I moved away from the area where my home church is located 5 years ago and have not been able to find a church, in the community for which I live, that I'm comfortable with).
I left my home church sometime ago, as I had a bad experience with a couple of the leaders in the church and allowed my anger to get the best of me. I have since forgiven them and have asked them to forgive me for any wrongs I have done to them; I have not forgotten what happened -- I have asked the LORD to take that away from me as well, as I don't want to carry that anymore.
I should note that I have been attending a church out of Louisiana; however, it's online. Although, I enjoy the preaching, bible studies, and attending the men's meetings (online) and the pastor recognizes me as an e-member of his church; yet, I still don't feel right not being in physical attendance in a local church.
@THE BEAT by Allen Parr - Thank you letting the LORD use you to bring this message. It really struck a cord with me and I was convicted by it.
But local church isn't the only way to serve. There are lots of Christian charities and parachurch ministries that look just like fellowship of believers except they're not called "churches".
Several people like me are watching your videos from the other side of the world and are being led to God through you. Thank you brother Allen. May God bless your ministry.
The crazy thing was I was in the desert with that mindset for about 2-years. Just yesterday I was invited to go to church and plan to go this Sunday. It's way over due... I am so missing to fellowship with the body of Christ again.
My church hurt started when the pastor of my last church kept a secret from me that his son was having an affair with my wife. This broke my heart into pieces. He blamed their affair on me and his son wife. My ex-wife got pregnant by the son and the divorce was a nightmare.... This kept me away from the church. But since then, I remarried a wonderful woman and I have forgiven my ex and her now husband.
But he knoweth not that the dead are there and her guests are in the depths of sheol. Pro 9:18
From the least unto the greatest, ALL are greedy for gain, prophets and priests alike, ALL practice deceit.
Jer 6:13
Pay attention to the word ALL. Believe it!!!!!!
As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit, therefore they have become great and waxed rich.
Jer 5:27
Those are just a small sample of what the scriptures say about the whore of Babylon often referred to as the "church"
Divorce and renarriage is adultery
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope you and your wife are happy
That intro was priceless lol … I’ve never experienced “church hurt” but I’ve experienced “ these people got me messed up” a few times. But I just moved around until I found my church home. It’s kinda like dating to me, one bad date isn’t gonna stop a pursuit of finding someone. Just keep moving
Anyone know of any good churches in the Plano, Carrollton, Frisco, Lewisville, north Dallas TX suburb areas? I also have a teen. Thanks
That's a funny way to put
Yes, how I see church, dating until you find "Mister Right".
One CANNOT romanticize moving around churches till you find the right one, and call it "church dating".
Thatb is so wrong on so many levels.
With so much technology , and believing churches or bible study groups in EVERY town - geographic commitment is an issue? especially when experiencing "church hurt"?.
I sincerely with love must ask you to get over yourselves. Its about the gospel and if you are being fed to grow in the faith..
There is no evidence in scripture that commitment to attending one place of worship is the way to worship, in fact, Jesus more than once said God is looking for those that do not worship in a holy mountain, or a temple made with hands - but lift up holy hands where ever you are, and worship in spirit (no defined location, time, season, or program present), and in truth (the way Jesus gave the Apostles to hand down to us).
The church is the body of Christ, and meeting to participate in service, gifting, and considering each other - to share in the Lord's supper is demanded - that we remember we must live out the gospel - repentance, forgiveness, patience, charity, and testimony.
This can be done without committing to one local church, as the Apostles describe in Acts.
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@@morgradordread4394 you kinda sound like someone who does not SERVE in church and quite frankly, too philosophical without logic. When a person seriously tithes, works in ministries, serve etc etc, you best believe they are going to see to it that they invest their time, money and energy to a church that is truly doing the work of the Lord. The truth is, that person may not find that out until months later. So it’s not “ romanticizing” anything. Actually it’s a way to avoid getting “ church hurt” from putting too soon of a trust in people who may not have good intentions. As for me, I’ve been at the same church for 6 years, I serve in groups, volunteer etc etc, it gets exhausting but it’s worth every moment and dime. How many people can say that about their church?
Having a church building/service to go to every Sunday can definitely be helpful for a lot of people but not everyone is able to go to a church so it doesn’t make sense to say it’s necessary.
The church is a body, not a building.
Yep and where you meet corporately? Oh a building. Oh ok.
@@Corinthians-kjv what?
@@Corinthians-kjv take reading comp.
Since people are the church , I'm not done with the church. I'm done with the building that has false teaching in it , that won't be changed back to the Gospel. As far as church goes I have fellowship with plenty of people and we discuss the Bible 🙌
Yes, the church is the body of Christ. We can assemble in many ways and places. And we can minister as the Lord leads. I attend an online church, gives as I have purposed in my heart and minister/serve as God gives the opportunity, which is often.
@@vinnieterrell4273 sounds like your getting fed well bro 👊
I concur. I left the business organization, pastor/CEO led, Old Testament tithing teaching, so called church back in 2011. I was also a minister. I praise God that I’m not subject to “doctrines of men” but by the leading of the Holy Spirit.
I believe peoples understanding of the Church is all jacked up🤦🏾♀️ We are the church. It’s not about the building with four walls. It’s about ADVANCING the Kingdom!!!! Thank you for standing on the Word of God❤️.
Was looking for such a comment
GOD doesn't dwell in temple made with hands but believers are the church that Jesus is building..
We are the lively stones
WE ( Believers) are THE CHURCH
Going to a meeting is different that being the CHURCH(EKKLESIA)...
People are destroyed for lack of knowledge...
@@wendyann3333 Its both we go to church a building and we believers are the church and body of Christ
@@paulbrandel5980 my comment went over your head...
Never mind ..
Shalom
Great video, Allen. As a pastor I appreciate you teaching on this subject.
No, the Church is not merely a collection of like minded believers. Jesus only made one Church. The Catholic Church. The rest are nothing but man made Churches. Jesus already laid the foundation of the Church on Peter and the Apostles. There is no need to lay new Church foundations other then the Church of Saint Peter. The true Church.
I'm glad I watched this video. There had been some personal experiences that have made me back away from the church. It wasn't too different from being in the world. They just sugar coated it with being saved. I really enjoy watching your videos and there are a few others that I like where I'm actually getting better understanding of the bible. I pray that I find a place because I would really like to serve like I was doing before. I really enjoyed it. But I can't deal with the clicks, the back stabbing, treating other people badly, favoritism and gossip. And pretty much condemning people from the pulpit. They telling me how to live and they're doing the very thing they telling me not to go. I hope God will lead me to the right place.
I pray that you find a church 🙏🏼 I haven’t found one it has been 6 months really miss it 🥺
Wow. It's like I wrote this comment myself.smh
Same here sis
When you said the Denzel thing I had to rewind like “hold up what he say?!” Lol but that’s wild that a pastor said that to you and shows not everyone should be in leadership.also a lot of times people assume churches are supposed to be perfect and cater to their every desire. But where there are people there will be conflict. But I pray God gives us wisdom to know when a church is actually toxic and knowing when there’s a conflict that has reasonable issues that we can work through
Me too!!!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love it
So True! There are no perfect people, only one Perfect Person Jesus Christ! As we are in the last days the Bible has told us these days would happen in God's church as Paul said that people would teach doctrines of devils, and that there would be wolves among the Sheep. As there is the spirit of laodicea, apostasy in the Church of Jesus Christ! The separating between the tares and the Wheat has already started.
Yo, same g!
Oh, this is a regular thing at my current church, where “discipline” happens through sermons. When confronted, he said it was taboo for him, that he never communicates through sermons. Narcissism in church leadership is nothing rare.
Yeah this is wild and amen but on a side-note he defo looks like Denzel
The church i attended ( i've been online since pandemic) is non denominational. This church is warm, loving, welcome & biblical. They have lots of small groups etc. i'm 66 y/o and perhaps this is where the disconnect comes into reality. i am loved on when we assemble together, however no one contacts me otherwise. After worship service and small groups, it became a bittersweet time for me, as it seems everyone has friends and family to do things with. This experience has helped me to transition into not attending church. While the church is biblical based, we don't practice communion on a monthly basis (i would love it weekly). i spoke with one of the associate pastors regarding the church practicing communion. He was very kind, and told me he would discuss my concern with the other leaders and get back to me. This was pre pandemic, and the situation was never addressed. During this pandemic, i have been contacted by my church family perhaps twice. i am able to care for myself, however i would feel better if i knew someone genuinely cared, and perhaps they don't, but not deliberately . Out of sight...besides everyone has their own thing. i've reached out to members of my church family on occasion to send blessings. They do reply, however, the communication is never initiated by them. Generally i feel as though i'm overlooked, so why attend? i continued to tithe until several months ago, when i realized a family member was in desperate need. i plan on going back to my church, i miss the praise and the atmosphere of being with fellow believers. Have you ever felt alone in a crowded room of people you know...?
Thanks for this, it challenges me to reach out to others even though I may not feel comfortable.
P. S. I know how you feel about being alone 💗
HELLO VALERIE, hope this situation gets better for you.😀
@@wawasparrow9099 Thank you 💓 Regretfully & at times to my detriment, i've adjusted to not relying on ANYONE. Whenever i've 'needed' someone, God has always put a person there for a season. Praise be, my focus is on God. i've learned to embrace peace without people, however it would be beneficial to be included.
That's exactly what I feel too and it's discouraging
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i am beyond sorry for you feeling the way you do😢. Attempts have been made to make me feel responsible for the disconnect, trust me my love, it's not you 👍🏼.
i'm gregarious, fun loving, full of humor and have never met a stranger, yet i find myself monitoring my words and behavior around my christian family. i've been referred to as 'crazy, extra & too much', lovingly i'm certain. So i now avoid in person gatherings because it's exhausting wondering how to be me and not be ostracized. God loves & accepts me🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
My prayer 🙏🏽 is for God to encourage you and that He sends others👭🧑🏽🤝🧑🏾 to have christian relationships with you in your walk with Him❤. Iron sharpens iron, and God desires for you to have a 'Jonathan' 🙏🏽✝️. Blessings & prayers to you and yours my sister in Christ 😇💜 Nothing but the 🩸...
And this is why this is my favorite Christian channel......real to the l......a pastor said something similar to me.....he ain't said the N word.....but I felt it in his heart.....still got love for him though.....
Come on........... celebs Source...... this almost seem like............... a troll comment..........................................
I promise I ain't trolling......I check the Beat on the regular......this is one of the most Biblically Balanced channels on youtube......
@@RealCelebsSource well as a fellow Christian, what's your thoughts on this whole Marcus Roger situation and how MR.Parr wants to" build a bridge " to a false teachers who have been rebuked and admonished but yet still refuses to listen or repent..?. After that video I had to unsbscribe to his channel... your thoughts sir.?
I was told in my younger years by a pastor, who I have great respect for and am related to, dddthat I ain't about nothing and that stuck with me for many years. The tongue is a deadly poison and if you are not careful, you can say something to someone and not realizing that the words you spoke, negatively, had a major impact on the life of the person for which you spoke those words to. PLEASE BE SO VERY CAREFUL WHAT WORDS COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH (I'm speaking to myself as well!). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
@@elijahsquest6538 how will his comments on the situation be useful to your walk with Christ?
There is a difference between the "Church" and the "assembling of one another". The two are not the same. Who is worthy to build Christ's church, but only Christ Himself, and wheresoever we are, having Christ within, is where the True Church is. God has not commanded us to go to church every Sunday, repetitiously and religiously, BUT TO BE THE CHURCH. Physical churches create "listeners" who hardly open their Bibles, yet subscribe to every doctrine that tickle their ears, dividing the whole of God's Word into the bits and pieces they choose to acknowledge while throwing the rest away.
It's amazing when you are sitting in a pew listening to whatever pre-planned uninspired "sermon" the pastor FEELS God has put it upon his heart, or some message that "God has for you", and yet God has not spoken but through His Word in these last days, it's amazing how THAT is considered keeping in accordance with God's Word "not to forsake the assembling of one another.", yet, if you stay home and watch the same "sermon" on television, you are "forsaking" the assembly because you are not physically there.
Most people in those days did not have "churches" to go to every Sunday, and many would have to travel long distances to find a synagogue. It is a "gathering of people" that form an assembly, not the assembly itself that determines if God is present or not.
Matthew 18:20 (nkjv)
20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
Where in this Scripture does it say that it must be a "church" built with bricks in which we assemble, for it to count as an "assembly"? The "where" is not mentioned.
After my uncle passed away, who was like a second father to me, I did stop going to church for about 4 months. Over 5 years, I had lost my fiance (non believer), my gramps, my gran and then my uncle. I was deep in despair and depression. But all glory to God, He lifted my spirits and I'm now back at church and I feel on fire for Him. God is good, the church i attend is like family and they kept in touch with me through the time i was away. This is a great video and I'm so blessed that the church I'm with, was only the second church i attended. The first was av Church of Scotland Abbey and just not my thing at all. Now I'm in an evangelical church and i fit right in from the moment i stepped through the door.
I’ve definitely experienced betrayal.
One thing about pastor counseling is that you believe in confidentiality, but when they start telling your story to other members you get all the judgement looks and murmurs. It was just awful and I had to leave due to shame and embarrassment.
That’s one. But I always stay to the church.
I am more reserved now and talk things over with the spirit and also look for a licensed therapist and Christian preferably.
Yeah i definitely understand where you are coming from i do not want to leave because the verses like they were never of us because they went out of us sticks to my mind but i have been trying to make things work. I just have to go to another room so they can translate to english what they say in vietnamese.
I am sorry that happened to you, brother. I can relate to that - being judged for confessing a sin to someone you trusted. It does hurt a lot. I'm thankful God is not like that.
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Pastors dont always make good counselors they are not trained therapists.
I'm with you bro. One counselor gave me bad advice. lots of horrible listeners at church
Praise the Lord! Amen. God is merciful. He always forgives. Never be ashamed to take your failures to him. He is for you, not against you! God is with you in the storm. He knows your troubles, he hears you! He is for you, on your side, always! It may feel silent at times, but he’s holding you close! May the Lord return soon! We are drawing closer. He is coming! Believe and trust in the Lord, you will be saved. Period. May the Lord bless you all! Hang in there family. Stay strong. It is not easy following the Lord. We are scoffed at. We give up our earthly dreams, our fleshly desires. What the enemy offers is short lived, but heaven is forever! Life may seem or be unfair, but God is with you! Always remember that. Things may get better or worse for you, but a kingdom awaits you! Finish the race! Repent daily and carry your cross. This world is fading fast. Your troubles are temporary! New channel here, I’d appreciate any kind of support. Don’t give up! God loves you so much! So do I. The Lord bless you!
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If god is so loving and merciful, why did he invent eternal hellfire and torture for humanity? Where’s the love in that?
@@2l84me8 we're not supposed to go there! Hell was originally created for Satan and the fallen angels. Now Satan is very angry, knowing that his time is short, and want all of us to go there with him.....
I had a “Wait What” moment with your intro, lol. I too experienced church hurt and left it. I actually benefited from the pandemic when the church services went online. But I now I understand & will find another church to attend. Thank you for sharing
Brother Alan, your story, well let me just say this one hits close to home! Been through some similar disappointments and hurts from church leadership. As painful as it was, it hurt my wife more and it took a long time to recover. I was a little cynical for a while but worked through it and I'm in a better place today. The Lord is gracious and merciful.
Thanks for the message brother Allen. This video couldn’t have come at a better time. Lately I’ve been discouraged seeing so many of my church members (most of whom I looked up to as spiritual leaders) leave the church due to politics and other reasons I find difficult to justify according to the Word. This video speaks so much to me as I definitely believe God wanted me to hear your message when He placed it in my CZcams recommendations. It’s unfortunate that in this day in age, it seems to be more and more difficult finding pastors and fellow believers representing Christ to the fullest. I appreciate you for not conforming to the world’s depiction of Christ and continuing to represent true biblical values. It’s difficult representing Christ in such a fallen world but seeing you and others with huge followings utilize your platforms to fight the good fight and speak boldly on controversial/difficult topics is encouraging! Thank you 🙏🏼 praying Christ continues to use you for His glory
Hi Allen. Wow, I knew about the last 3 experiences you had with church hurt, but the first 3 were shockers 😳 I’m so glad that you’ve stood with Jesus and fulfilling your purpose through ministry. You’ve been a blessing! This video was for me because I’ve been struggling with attending church since the pandemic. I’m honestly more comfortable attending church at home with my family and/or watching sermons on CZcams or RightNow Media. These sermons are more in-depth and help me better understand stricture to apply it to my life and teach and demonstrate Christ-like behavior to my children. I’m looking for a new church, but attending in-person for community and fellowship will be a tough transition with how much I enjoy services at home. I’m keeping this in prayer. Thank you for this message!
T. Michelle ....Ask the Lord to help you find a new church to attend in person (when covid permits) and still take the time to check the online messages too, since you are enjoying them......going to church in person is still a blessing though ....hope this helps 😄
When you look for a church make sure it has good doctrine.
@ T Michelle I totally understand, throughout my whole Christian walk I've learned more about Christ online than I ever have at an in-person fellowship. That was even before C*rona ironically.
I have had so much church hurt since we moved to the city when I was a teenager. I have not managed to connect with any church family for 38 years! Except one, but they started teaching things not entirely in line with Scripture so we left. It's not from a lack of trying. In most churches they don't let me serve in any capacity and I've offered and signed up. I'm bewildered. Yes I'm different, I have ADHD and I'm weird. But I'm willing to accept them faults and all, you would think church is a place where you would be accepted in a world full of rejection. I will admit to not attending very often. We do attend a home church group every Sunday evening in the home of a pastor and we gather to eat and fellowship and then have a lesson straight from the Bible. Here, I connect. Here I feel loved. But Pastor Charles says that home group is not a replacement of our home church services but a supplement. I just really don't want to go where I'm so obviously not wanted and not allowed to serve (they don't even want me wipe down tables after fellowship, but I found a rag and cleaner and did it anyway!) They changed slightly for a time after I was diagnosed with cancer, but now that it's old news I'm back to being the odd one out. And last month my one and only friend there passed away from her cancer. I'm working through these issues with God in my prayer time. So I'm not rejecting the Church but they are rejecting me.
Very real situation..I love your comment!
It makes me so sad that they show you no love. It makes me very sorrowful for them, it sounds like they are missing out on a highly motivated, yet eccentric, daughter of God in their lives. I am sorry for you
I forgot to mention...please look up Richard Jacobson's church videos on CZcams. He presents a fresh look at what Jesus meant by 'being the church'. Enjoy.
I can feel ur pain brother. All I want to say right now is, I will pray for you! DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY WHAT HUMANS DO OR DO NOT DO TOWARDS YOU!!GOD LOVES U. HE CREATED U IN HIS IMAGE. PLEASE BELIEVE THAT. I WILL BE PRAYING FOR U, FOR IN SO SAYING, I AM BEGINNING TO HEAL. U TOO WILL HEAL. GOD LOVES YOU.
So very sad especially when you want to do something in the church, you want to serve, you want to do something to make a difference, and may the LORD grant you a place where you can serve at a place He has selected you. Many churches have no love it's waxed cold, and that's passed down from leadership to the people, know God loves you, and that He is always there when others are not, stay close to Him in this hour, God bless 🧡
I appreciate your insight! Connecting your relationship with your wife is a great connection between Christ and the church! (Ephesians 5:22-33). Most people in the church who claim they have been hurt by it probably haven’t experienced as significant of hurt as you! Thank you for sharing!!
I have found tremendous help from the body of Christ. Back in high school I thought “church people” were Bible thumpers and mean, but now I understand healthy rebuke and the great Godly love shared amongst believers in the body! I struggle with anxiety, mostly racing thoughts, and having wise council in community helps me so much to focus on truth over my weird thought patterns.
Thank you Brother Allen for sharing this. This is EXACTLY where I'm at right now. My family and I were told close to 2 years ago that we were "no longer welcome to serve in this church" after 30 plus years of service. We took it as "Leave", so we left. We have found a local church where we go occasionally, but we have not committed to going because we are still wounded.
From the least unto the greatest, ALL are greedy for gain, prophets and priests alike, ALL practice deceit.
Jer 6:13
As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit, therefore they have become great and waxed rich.
Jer 5:27
Unlike so MANY, we do not peddle the word of God for profit, ON THE CONTRARY, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, AS ONE SENT FROM GOD. 2 Cor 2:17
But he knoweth not that the dead are there and her guests are in the depths of sheol. Prov 9:18
This is just a small sample of what God has to say about these harlot houses people refer to as church buildings.
Thank you for staying despite all this Allen! You are a blessing to our family and we watch your videos faithfully. Thank you for allowing the Lord to use you to bless us and others!!
the words of an abuser to the abused. "Don't leave! It'll be better!"
and it never is.
It gets worse.
Here's more behaviors of an abuser.
Makes rules to control all aspects of your life.
Isolates you from friends and family.
Telling you your nothing without him.
Threatening you if you don't do as you're told.
Wants control of what you say or think.
And has an all consuming jealousy....put no other gods before me.
@@tornay131 well said. Yep, that is notable that this cult has all of that and more in it.
Allen's past experiences have given me insights as to how he came to such a rational and clear biblical view. Thank you for your time and dedication to your ministry brother!
@Jason albrecht A true born again believer walks by faith not by sight.
2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Our evidence is our faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God/Jesus.
Oh my goodness, I can't believe you went through all of that, brother Allen! 😥 I don't remember experiencing any church hurt, but sometimes I could feel silent judgement and felt really isolated and disconnected at times in certain churches. I struggle with Chronic anxiety and I'm still healing from past hurt, so it's difficult for me to meet at a place where I don't know know anyone. I really want my fiance to go with me and is considering it, so I please ask for prayers that he does go with me and stays for each sermon, and understands why it's important to go. I didn't even fully understand why it was important to keep going myself. Luckily, the church I started attending is a small church that's a 12 minute walk away from my place. I was offered and given rides, plus the pastor is humbling and his wife is a sweetheart, the deacon is humbling, and some of the church members and when we have missionaries come visit, it feels like a family reunion I actually want to go to. Hopefully this will be the right church for both me and Trei and that he'll understand the importance of attending. I'm going to show him this video. Thank you, brother Allen for sharing your experience and going into better detail of the importance of going to church 🕊️
That was a powerful message, and I pray that the holy spirit, continues to use this channel, as a tool to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ, and also to watch over brother Parr, and his family.
Thank you Allen for being open about your experience with church and not giving up on church!! 👍😃Thank you for your encouragement to stay involved in a church.I think anyone attending a church for several years is going to hurt there at some time and this is a great reminder of how we should handle it ❤️❤️I appreciate your channel 🙏🏻
Woooooww! Pastor said THAT from the pulpit!?
The intro was FLAMES...was a little caught off haha
I appreciate this message. I am in a difficult spot. My wife has been confined to a wheelchair for over three years. Her condition was completely preventable for many years, but she refused to seek medical attention until emergency surgery became critically necessary, and now she simply does not want to walk badly enough to work very hard for it. Because of her condition, she has turned her back on God and refuses to attend church. I do not want to attend church alone as if I am single (we are empty nesters).
I'm sorry brother
How about an online church
Keep praying. Don’t give up. Fast & pray. Sometimes we can’t just see it yet. But God can do it.
Go, even if it means going alone. If you do, it will slowly lead her back as you come home happy and fulfilled. Staying home will only enable her and bring you down.
When two walk together this is how they help each other - when one is down the other MUST remain steadfast . Keep attending church , keep seeking to draw close to God this way you remain full filled and you can come home and overflow . If you stay at home and not attend church eventually she will drain you and two empty vessels sadly can’t help each other
I’ve never been to church. The Lord brought church to me.
Praise God 🙌 same here
You should consider going. Not all priests are bad. Check a few out.
Thank you so much for this, I really needed to hear this. I moved 2 years ago and still cannot find a church home, so I felt like giving up and just trying to do it from home. I really miss my old church, but I will keep trying to find my church that I fit in to. ❤
Keep looking... God put you where you are for a reason. 💞
Check online or check your local yellow pages.
Read the verses I wrote.
A lot of wisdom packed into 13 minutes! Great teaching! Thank you Pastor Allen!
I have to say that at one point I was in this same position where I felt like I didn't want to be in church because of biblical correction which at that time I was being a fool and rebellious. However, thru God's help and the prayers of the brethren, I was able to repent, return to my church, and now I'm seeking to put the gifts God has given me to serve him and my local church.
Thank you for your steadfast teaching of the word of God. I'm am so glad that you shared with us, and thank for explaining that there are times we must leave a fellowship. We must remember that it is sometimes the leaders who represent the church that are perverted ,and who are wolves dressed in sheep clothing (Matthew 7:15) they are false prophets, and some are predators trying to steal kill and destroy the church which are God's people. The Bible tells us that even though we will experience these things ; the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church (Matthew 16:18 ). Blessings to you and your ministry brother Parr.
OMG that intro had me rolling HAHAHAHA I was like woah what's going on here?! LOL Amen Allen. We've all had some terrible experiences in church but it's no excuse to remove ourselves from the body of Christ as a whole.
I literally hit play and just set my phone down at my desk, he said the intro and I literally went buggy eyed and went “?!?!?!?” 😂😂😂
This video is right on time for me, I’ve been going back and forth on attending church consistently due to people running me the wrong way and certain traditions being practiced but this video helped me to realign my focus on what’s really important.
Thank you so much. Lately, I have been feeling discouraged, and watching this message has changed my feelings towards making a huge mistake. Thank you again. God bless you and your family. 🙏😊
For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.
~Lord Yeshua~
Matthew 18:20
Love your videos Allen! Im getting back into church attendance after a 10 year hiatus and fell hard back into the world. It wasn't till about a year ago that I started attending a new church, but left after I saw some red flags. In this day and age, it is almost impossible to find a sound biblical church. And yes, I've been hurt and got bitter. I can't afford to be bitter. I ended up going back to my old church from my youth which got very, very toxic, but now is beginning to heal and I can see the holy spirit move! I think for now, God wants me there. I love God's people even though they can drive me a bit crazy at times. We're in this battle together. United we stand, divided, we fall! Brothers and sisters, if any of you belong to a good, bible believing church, praise Yahweh! It is rare to find a good church so if you do, embrace it and grow in your faith! Corporate worship is powerful. Amen!
Amen!
This proved what we already knew: just because somene can preach doesn't mean they can lead or manage.
Thank you brother for this! I’ve been at my local church since 2002. 20 years. I’ve loved it and still do. I’ve been wanting to serve in the music ministry but it took 3 months just to get an answer and have been asked to start off with the youth - thing is, I’m 40. So it’s a bit weird… but I’ll take what I can get. I didn’t think I was gonna get an answer for a while so I went out to evangelise instead and do open-air worship. It was just for myself and a few friends but now others have joined in and it’s been great. I’ve written a few songs that I’ve been wanting to do with the music team but it just never happened and I’m not sure it will. Last night, i watched the sermon online and one of the things that were said was that people are starting their own ministries outside of the church using church resources. This could be music or people and I felt like that was talking about me. I for one, wouldn’t out of my own strength even do something like that. That’s above me… and scary. Only by God, am I using the gifts for the body and the kingdom. I’m no Bruno Mars singer, I’m quite average but I can hold a note and sing in tune and harmonise bunt after hearing that part of the word, I may go in and chat with the Pastor cos I feel attacked if I am being ‘wicked’ - I’ve given up all creature comforts - entertainment, gaming, pop culture… I made those things an idol. All I have now, is time… and with that time, I wanna give it all back to God. Whatever it is… I feel lost and doubting that what I have been doing is wrong and wicked…
I’m surprised but pleased that you went through all those struggles and managed to still maintain your faith and ministry! Many people would have struggled.
Thank you Brother Allen for all that you do. These videos are so helpful as well entertaining to me. And cause of that easy to share with non believers and my friends who are seeking and searching for God.
I've had some very negative experiences at a few congregations. I left those congregations but I did not leave the Church.
I understand you brother.
Thank you for your encouraging comment.
Look what I posted and read where its says, please.
Christians aren't obligated to go to church. You can be a Christian and just not go
@@shadowedlvnar1635 Let's open your statement up alittle. Let's say a true beliver belongs to the spiritual true church, not corporate. And a Christian may go to church or not, not knowing what 1stPeter 4:17, Matthew 24:15, 2ndThesalonions 2:2-11, and many other verses are saying to the true belivers, at this time.
Thank you for this! I have had such a difficult time finding a church. I was a part of one for a couple of years, but never really fit in. I have been going to churches around San Diego, but I find some things wrong, with which I fundamentally disagree. A common problem is the loud, annoying music by Hillsong, et al, that is prevalent in so many churches. . And sadly, I have come to realize that most pastors are to one degree or another, narcissistic. Most are asleep to the times we are beginning to go through as the last of the last days are here. I can relate to your experiences as several of mine have been very similar. An experience I am still going through with a church has been so crippling to me that I have been at my lowest point spiritually since I rededicated my life five years ago. I didn't go anywhere this morning. I have become weary with trying to find a body to be a part of. I know none are perfect, but I cannot seem to find one with whom I relate Biblically (having a very high view of Scripture), prophetically (understanding the urgency of Christ's message of warning to those of us in our day), musically (more traditional style music with lyrics that are solid and full of good theology). I know I cannot give up my search for a church family. Thanks for the encouragement.
Have you ever thought about a church with a mission, like to the Spanish or Asian community? I find that the plain old American church has lost its way and forgot it's true purpose.
They are all harlot houses, not churches. HIS church is called out of every denomination and sect of carnal churchianity. They don't follow men in temples made with hands. They don't lust for men to guide and teach them. They hear the voicebof the Good Shepherd and they don't follow strangers and hirelings who preach for profit.
From the least unto the greatest, ALL are greedy for gain, prophets and priests alike, ALL practice deceit.
Jer 6:13
You can take that verse to the bank, it's true for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
How do you feel about the Jehovah Witness Organization? Have you tried there? After reading your needs, you might fit there...
@@CastOut555 I feel the same about all of them. I think there is a time and season when we are a part of these institutions. At an appointed time, we are called out of them when we receive the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth. At that point, we hear the voice of the Son of God and are quickened by the Spirit. We are separated unto God and no longer look to men to guide and teach us. The only place I would fit in is with a group of people who have experience with being called out and only trust in God to teach them. Otherwise there would be no fellowship of the mysteries. The whole church system is still relying on the wisdom of men, the scriptures are still a mystery to them. That's why there are so many divisions and contradictions between sects and denominations. We are under tutors and governors until the time appointed by the Father. Then we are separate, called out. His church is the called out ones. We all have our time in Babylon, bring tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine by the sleight of MEN and their cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive. That is how we are when we are still attending these gatherings and looking to MEN to guide us and teach us. I know that was a long winded answer to your question but that's just what I felt I should share with you. I personally have no problem with the JW institution, I have met many nice people that are witnesses. Still just full of man's wisdom though, still mystery Babylon.
@@jm1733 Um, I was actually replying and asking this question to the maker of the post Billy but I guess it didn't @ him,lol
But I think this was a convenient little accident as your response was perfect! I feel you 💯. I've read countless posts of people leaving thier church and still haven't been able to find a "good church" and it saddens me that there are those that are yearning to glorify God and want fellowship but the churches today are all corrupted and ran by granted "imperfect men" (yes imperfect men were chosen with great honor to do the will of God in biblical times) BUT these men today are prideful and don't follow the bible eventually leading the flock astray.
Even more unsettling, false teaching is more prevalent even more so today with all these New Age, New Faith, you name it movements permeating in the churches. I can write a whole book but long story short, I am an Ex-jw for 4 years now and I recently received the Holy Spirit....2 days ago! So I am doing a ton of research! YOUR comment spoke to me because I feel discouraged that I will never find a "church" to go to. I did research to put to rest my burning question, Does one even have to go to church ? My research showed that attending church is not for US but to glorify God so it's not about how comfortable we feel. However, I have suffered alot of "Church hurt" and I don't mind worshipping at home to myself.
I actually feel closer to God that way BUT I can't stop thinking about the scripture that talks about Jesus being the head of the church and we are the body of Christ so me leaving the church equated me leaving Christ. Along with research, I've also have dreams etc. So I'm still conflicted I suppose but I pray God will make everything clear to me. Your theory isn't too far fetched as the bible do talk about Bablyon the great being destroyed so maybe I should stay out of the church and did myself a favor?...ugh. It's a conundrum, lol
I guess a wrote a novel too. Lol
I left the church when I was 15. Thank God I came back to the church I grew up in. Most members have passed on. Our church is still standing after 110 years. Praise the Lord for coming back. Thank you Brother Allen. Keep doing your videos. God bless you!
Solid Video.I left my church last year due to issues in leadership.
Pray I find a church that is doctrinally sound and speaks the truth in love.
I pray with you brother. I too left my church due to leadership issues (very complicated). I since found a very loving church, but not very doctrinally sound, so I still yearn and search for a church that is both biblical and loving.
@@NavarinoDC I will definitely keep you in prayer.I will check in with you as The Lord leads.
Yes you do look like Denzel! I just realized it!😅🤗
Understand champ I've been outside of the actual fellowship for 5 plus years but I study on the regular had the most terrible experience in the building I thought I was on the streets back in the day with the fellas. And sense that I just can't put myself and my family in that situation again. But I truly see your perspective from the scriptures appreciate you champ salute.
Thanks for sharing that. I study every now and then, but haven't gone to "church" in years. I don't know a place to go that teaches the Bible. I'm antisocial and an introvert, so it's not at the top of my list of things to do. Social ppl can at least get that out of going to church, when i do go it's super stressful.
What I do now is meet with a group of men and we study the scriptures together and it works for me. And I truly understand what the words says concerning scripture let me give you a little bit more of my story I'm a ordain minister of the gospel for about 15 years now and my experience was terrible and this is not my first experience the hate lies back biting back stabbing false Doctrine it was an extremely unhealthy for me and my family. I've tried multiple fellowship and they all end up bad for me. So I refuse to put me and my family through this again.my fellowship now works for me we study God's word and am growing and I am truly thankful for these group of men God bless you and I hope some day you can also find something that works for you.
Hello brother Allen. I truly believe that Church is important. It’s a challenge for me though, because of language barrier. I’m not a native English speaker and I still struggle to express myself fluently to other church members. Praying to God to always give me courage to face my fears. Finally found a Bible based church near our home.
Brother Allen you are doing great!! This message is right on time!!! I am apart of a local Church with my wife. I wholeheartedly agree with your message! God bless you!!
I'm going to have to listen to this in sections, but I love where you're going with this. Thankfully, I do not know any believers who have walked away from the Church of God. What drives me nuts, and a lot of other believers is that even when we're saved, some people are still asking "What church do you go to?" Hearing that question hurts, and it goes double to the believer with autism.
My issue was that I was miserable in the group that I grew up with, and most of it was, and still is made up of my extended family on my mother's side. I've got a huge passion for music, and smaller conservative churches don't know how to handle musicians like me, because if they'd let me, I'd be pushing some boundaries. No, I left that setting because God called me out to go to another church group, and the hospitality is better.
Wow
Great content as always Allen. So happy to see your channel growing organically like this over the years. The hand of God is clearly with you. God bless you and your family.
In regards to church hurt I highly recommend a book I read that brought me biblical rivers of healing. The book is called: Wounded by God's people. By: Anne Graham Lotz. May it help anyone who has been harmed by another Christian. Love wholeness and repair be yours in the name of Christ Jesus
Interesting title. I'll check it out.
@@AbeVsTheWorld Indeed! It was originally the title that captivated me to read the book and so glad I did. I deeply needed the release and healing biblically
@@memastarful I mean I have been wronged by the church several times already. I always remind myself of Psalm 118:8. But still, would be interested in this author's take.
@@AbeVsTheWorld very good psalm
@@AbeVsTheWorld I just read psalms 118:8 thank you for sharing it. I agree this psalm very true and appropriate for this CZcams podcast subject discussion 👍 😀
Hi, I'm Brazilian,🇧🇷 and I'm listen to your videos to practice my listening and learn God's word.😎
So many negative assaults you COULD have easily been discouraged forever! But by PERSERVERING you by the power of Christ in you, pushed against that spiritual warfare that was trying to STOP your current ministry. Praise God and to Him be the glory that you did not give up and quit. Even with some of the negative comments you have received your integrity and biblical truth still prevail.
May God continue to protect and bless and guide. I enjoy your channel so much! It’s incredibly helpful and spot on!
Keep on keeping on brother!!
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I want my brothers and sisters to understand what church means. Then, we can never have another discussion about leaving "church"
The church is translated from ekklesia. Ekklesia means SENATE, a chosen people hand picked from the king...church NEVER meant "building" but a group of people...So no. You can never leave church if your part of the body of Christ for WE are the Church Yeshua created on that faithful day... But you can leave a building that you consistently meet at. Love yall
Also....Just in case someone say this... when Yahweh sent letters to the 7 churchs. There weren't 7 buildings. It was 7 cities. 7 cities filled with believers
This is it!
And thank you for this comment. I last attended service in April 2019. I have grown so much in the Lord and I discovered I was full of man-made teachings from the pulpit, twisting God's Word and no positive results. I thank God for this time I'm at home, growing in the Lord by reading the Word, praying and fasting and also serving the way the Holy Spirit leads me to serve other people. Sometimes I desire a gathering for the sake of my kids but, where do I find one without these man-made teachings.
Amen sister.sometimes God takes you out.because it is making you ineffective or flat. I do the same thing fasting is important. It's says when not if you fast.youare required. There's power there not many do this today.keep in the word your being blessed by God with wisdom and insight continue to seek his face let the spirit lead you always. Worship him in spirit and truth that how you have true worship.
@@hisheir4002 If that works for you great
But for most believers who stop going to a church fellowship, they become weak
and worldly people. But it helps to have
people who you can confide with.
Allan is right for 90% of us Christians
find a church and STAY in church
Amen
Hi Allen I’ve experienced church hurt at my local church and had to leave . I left for about a month and then came back. It still is difficult to be there because things are not resolved and my heart is still in pain. I know I have to forgive but it hasn’t been easy. Your videos have helped to understand what forgiveness really looks like but I admit it really is hard to do!
I'm so sorry to hear this! And this is absolutely not an easy situation... Anyone who says "just do this" must understand that it's a very uncomfortable "just do this"
But I would encourage you to look at what the Bible says about what forgiveness actually looks like... Often you'll find communication linked with it... A chance for reconciliation. Discussion, and revealing.
Does the other person/people know they've hurt you? And if you've tried to discuss it, are they interested in talking it out? Or do they dismiss it because it's uncomfortable...
I've discussed things with my church family, and though they never hurt me, sometimes I feel like they give me lip service to make the uncomfortable conversation go away... It's very unsatisfying
I don't think it's unreasonable to bring these topics up to find that resolution.
Lastly, I'll say, forgive means to "give up". It's giving up the right to be offended... So if you've truly forgiven, and given up the right of offense, then maybe what you're feeling isn't unforgiveness, but that feeling when something hasn't been resolved... That maybe it will happen again to you, or someone else, and it still needs to be talked about.
I am getting a little teary at that last statement, and again, I'm sorry this happened. I love you, sister in Jesus, and I'm praying for you and your church! :)
Ask the Lord, for your healing, sometimes it will mean leaving that congregation and ask the lord to lead you to a church with good leadership. you don't have to take abuse and stress, which happens a lot in many churches. God bless and I am praying for you!
I know this is a hard issue, and the churches need to take heed in this, the leadership need to fix what is broken, I am not saying all churches. It was difficult to return and I didn't and I am ok with that. I so enjoy hearing Pastor Allen teach me all things I had not seen before and I love it. and I will continue to do so unless JESUS tells me something else.
So far I don't agree because the scripture doesn't command us neither does Jesus Command us to attend temples. So far what I heard was formulating scripture out of context burdening believers To attend temple worship and convince them to get locked into a denomination ecosystem that asks for money. My personal conviction ,it just doesn't quit fit the freedom we have in Jesus Christ which dwells in our physical temple. I've actually grown stronger in faith with Jesus Christ outside of the temples.
@@cyberican9988 Jesus calls us the temple. Paul expands on this thought... That we are living stones joined together by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians is a fav of mine for this)
So I don't know why you're calling it temple worship, or attending temples...
It's more like a gathering place for the Temple to be built together.
I'm sure as the days approach the % of churches doing it wrong is growing... But there's a Godly, bible teaching church that you don't need, but actually needs you!
There's a lot more scriptures pointing to the fact you are needed. Not that you are in need...
Loved this video sir!! Extremely informative and bottom-line…real talk! Thank you for your transparency and for sharing what you went through, and then how to counter those negative experiences with healthy and productive advice. The “great falling away” from the church is happening and I am so grateful for this information you shared. God bless you and keep going sir! You’re definitely a blessing to the Body of Christ!
Depression keeps me from going to Church a lot of times but when i go i am so blessed. I am really thankfull for christian youtubers so i can get the word even when i am not able to go to church. Thank you. Can anyone recommend other youtubers that are also faithfull to the Bible to me?
When the pandemic started I have stopped attending church service. I do watch the online service but I feel empty of the joy I once experienced. I agree with everything that was stated on your pod cast. But the statement about the church being the bride of Christ hit me hard. What a great comparison with our own wife and how we would feel if anyone would try to divide us. Thank you for the truth. Blessings to you and your ministry. Tim
Very timely and necessary message…there’s a shocking number of people now who are abandoning not only the church but their faith in God as well. I love your delivery Bro Parr, may God continue to bless you
Churches not all but many are getting away from teaching clearly the Bible. It's becoming more business oriented money, growing size and recruiting volunteers to serve serve serve without spiritually feeding them. There needs to be cleansing in the church and healing for God's wounded people
@@memastarful True
We just had an event at my local church talking about church hurt with the young adults. One of the things I brought up is separating church hurt from Gods character. We’re planning to have a part two because part one was so good.
On point. Elevating God's character above that of the Church will stabilize your character in all experiences, whether it be in times of trial and testing or comfort and celebration. Well done your local church👍
@@lornajohnson480 thank you!
PS - your negative experiences in the church were really something 😱, what a nightmare! Thank God it didn’t turn you against the church and the faith!
This is soooo good! Thank you so much. I hear you. My family went through a lot of hurt, mostly my son when he was young. We have decided to leave because it got so bad and because the church is legalistic. My husband and I have found a good church but my son is now questioning if God is real. It breaks my hurt but God started something in him and he will finish it Amen! I sent this to my son, so please pray he finds his way back. Thank you!
great advice ! i have stopped attending church after hurts and covid as a staff. Yes I'm not putting my family before my feeling. I still don't think my church is a healthy place to grow but I need to find a church to let me and my family to continuously to grow spiritually and serve the community. Thanks for sharing your testimony and encouraged us to re-think and leave all the hurts and bitterness behind, the Bride of Jesus is important for all the believers!
Lmao that intro. I agree Alan. Stopped going to church for a while because covid and I felt so distanced from God despite praying and reading my Bible everyday.
There is NOTHING wrong that many people did not go to Church during the beginning of the Pandemic. God understands ALL. This is why we keep Jesus on our hearts and minds.
Church is more than a building, too.
@@katizz988 Suppose, if this pandemic was allowed by God as part of his judgment and pestilence and plagues?
@@TheShiningEnergy True church is the person,body and our Lord the head
@@adell7577 Truth. and the believer's community of believers.
LOL ALLEN THE INTROOOOOO 😭
I’m a pastor of a growing church that we planted 8 years ago. People have left the church that i pastor…some for good reasons. One guarantee that i can give to the congregation that I lead…is that Im committed to growing as a leader and as a believer. Before i became a senior pastor I’ve worked and led in several churches where I was hurt. But in all honesty, I still LOVE the local church! Thank you for this video Allen!!
So far I don't agree with this video because the scripture doesn't command us neither does Jesus Command us to attend temples. So far what I heard was formulating scripture out of context burdening believers To attend temple worship and convince them to get locked into a denomination ecosystem that asks for money. My personal conviction ,it just doesn't quit fit the freedom we have in Jesus Christ which dwells in our physical temple. I've actually grown stronger in faith with Jesus Christ outside of the temples. What I mostly hear is people picking and choosing scripture that to convince people they should go to these temples where God does not dwell. It seems like placing a burden on believers or causing guilt if they don't " get in a church" it feels dishonest.
@@cyberican9988 thank you for sharing your perspective. I remember in the Bible it says where 2 or more are gathered in my name there I am.
@@memastarful yes that's correct ,but again I can do that anywhere anytime without going to a temple ,which was custom for Jews but I'm a gentile
@@cyberican9988 I must admit I can see your point. I have always had mixed thoughts and emotions in regards to churchianity. However there is something about a gathering of believers together to worship
@@memastarful yes absolutely , I enjoy linking up with believers from time to time. Also , I just want to point out for example my wife and I are believers and us two gather everyday , I know that's not everyone's situation but it's a good example of when two or more are gathered in his name he is with us. Also not saying he isn't with just one believer ,obviously he is always with us ,I just wanted to point this out. But yes,I do agree getting with a bigger group of believers is wonderful. Peace sis.
Late to the comment section, but let's feed the CZcams algorithm anyhow.
I had a church that I loved. A family that I was heavily attached to. Until the pastor in a private conversation made it every clear one side of the political aisle was not welcome in his eyes. It broke my heart. I had been going there for years. After that conversation, I had a pretty clear idea that I needed to find another place to be in worship. I didn't stop going to the one church. I started asking around. I watched some online videos of local families. I go to a church where I've learned more about the bible in under a year than I did at the previous in over 7 years. I felt like I had to relearn everything I knew. But I am closer to God and stronger in my walk. Thank you for sharing your experiences. Sometimes it's easy to fell alone when put into situations like that. Much love!
Thank you Brother Allen for this video. God's timing is incredible! I experience some church hurt but it was the after effects from what happened at my old home church. I was in College still recovering from a surgery during all of this. It was very sad to see most people I knew were no longer there & some people I knew left the church all together from what happened months after. After College, I was working but didn’t like that my job had me working on Sundays & the one Sunday I was off I went to church & my Pastor at the time was having a time for prayer & asking for people that wanted to pray during certain hours. I didn’t raise my hand because I wasn’t sure what hour would work for me with my work schedule having me come at different times & it was far from where I live. The Pastor called me out that I didn’t raise my hand & it made me very uncomfortable. I wasn’t sure & would have to check my schedule to see what time worked (I forgot my response a bit but my brother said I could’ve answered it better) and what the Pastor said to me in front of the congregation really rubbed me the wrong way. I was definitely hurt & I knew I wasn’t going to be staying at my old home church any longer but I know I didn’t want to stop going to a church so I was checking some churches on my own & finding a new home church for a few years. That was hard & difficult since I got use to going to church with my family at my old home church or with friends from College till Senior Year. I was use to always having company with me but I know it’s a step of growing up & little by little being independent as I would have to get out of my comfort zone to start over. I found a church but attending online for a while with the pandemic but it’s not far from home. The discipleship class really helped me gain community during the pandemic. I was hurt by some comments from someone to me in my group during it & I didn’t want that to be the reason I leave the church and with how the church was dealing with the pandemic really bugged me when my Dad wasn’t feeling well at home at the time. Let’s just say God really is teaching me some things during this and I know it is a process to forgive and not let the enemy win by trying to convince me to stay angry or starting to hate the church. I’m glad that the church is a Bible based church & my mom can tell by the sermons that the Pastors preach. I'm glad that I still watch the service even online and getting involved in the discipleship class. I would like to serve in a church again because at my old home church I was part of the worship team for a long time and really miss using my gifts in the church. To be honest I don't know if that is the church God wants me to call home again. I know that no church is perfect but I really don't want to go through the hurt again from what happened at my old home church since it brought up bad memories. I'm glad the leader of the group of the discipleship class encourages me to pray for God's wisdom & healing through all of this. If I serve I hope I don’t burn out again by using my gifts a lot at work & at church if I join the worship team. I hope to overcome feeling lonely & the hurt from what happened my old church (even though I saw the after effects of it) with God’s help when I go back in person again to attend.
I think about the youth from my old home church & know it was hard for them being there in person seeing from what what happened at my old home church. I hope they go back to attending church again & that God continues to heal them from church hurt years ago if that is holding them back.
Wow, this comment related to me so much! It's like I wrote it. Dealing with the same and have found myself in a conundrum. I know I have to go back to the body of Christ but still dealing with "Church hurt" and don't want to go back in fear history will repeat itself as it took me a while to heal. I wish I can just find a place that I can call home and be comfortable furtive been learning it's not about being comfortable all the time as there are no perfect churches. Currently leaving it in God's hands to change my heart and with the help of the H.S either,I guide me back or to a better worship place. It's a journey. I see I am not alone so this comment was encouraging💖
Also, may I ask what church you're attending?
Wow, this comment related to me so much! It's like I wrote it. Dealing with the same and have found myself in a conundrum. I know I have to go back to the body of Christ but still dealing with "Church hurt" and don't want to go back in fear history will repeat itself as it took me a while to heal. I wish I can just find a place that I can call home and be comfortable furtive been learning it's not about being comfortable all the time as there are no perfect churches. Currently leaving it in God's hands to change my heart and with the help of the H.S either,I guide me back or to a better worship place. It's a journey. I see I am not alone so this comment was encouraging💖
Also, may I ask what church you're attending?
Love this word. Am motivated to consider re-engaging with my church.
Thank you for being such a good teacher. You explain things incredibly well and it's hard not to learn a lot from just one of your videos
Like you, my most important contributions to the Kingdom have been outside of the local church. I’ve been burned by the local church and I’ve hurt others in turn. However, I still believe in the importance of the local church and that it should receive the first-fruits of our time, talent and treasure. I serve at my church, playing bass on the worship team. I know I could do more (because I have in the past), but I’m not going to push any agenda or try to raise my profile. I already have a platform on CZcams and a community (the virtual choir) that enjoys working with me. If the opportunity arises to lead at the local church level I will take what is offered, but I won’t pursue it!
Good point. Because I've been in full time ministry and served behind the pulpit in the past (and still do missions and CZcams ministry), it's hard to know what level of involvement I should have in the local church. I don't want to be a mere consumer/pew-sitter. Sometimes it feels like too many big fish in a small pond though. Just subbed your channel. Keep up the good work there!
When i saw your profile pic, I exclaimed to myself
'is that David Wesley?'
I was very pleased to see you on Bro. Allen's platform to make a comment. I too made a comment previously. Bro. Allen is amazing & very knowledgeable about scripture and interpretations of such. However, I digress. You are amazing 👏🏽 🎵 🎼 and have a God given gift. i've viewed your virtual choir and was mesmerized. Worshipping through music 🎶 is one of my favorite things to do. I look at your video of "In Christ Alone" at least twice a week. Listening to your natural voice, the lyrics and the power behind them gives me such joy, peace, and keeps my focus on things eternal 🙌🏽🙏🏽
Thank you David Wesley. God bless you, your families, friends and endeavors for the kingdom. Only what we do for Christ will last 💯 ✝️♥️
amen
@@valeriegadsden7898 glad to be of service. 😀
Hi Allen This is a great discussion. Im part of a very small church in upstate new york. About 30 people, less than 20 normally each sunday. Been going there about 12 years now. Anyway for a few years now I've also had temptations to stop attending church. Not sure why. But I know that if i remove myself I am removing myself from their covering and help with life. We really do care about eachother. They love me alot...this church loves me more than any other church i've ever been to. We do not fight, argue, or treat eachother poorly. Its not allowed in our church. I am so thankful to be part of a church where we really do love eachother. Its extremely rare. So Ive decided that even though there are occasionally things that I dont like about church, there are more good things than bad.
The church my husband and I were members of closed its doors to us when the plandemic came on the scene in 2020. They literally closed its doors, yet had the audacity to constantly remind us to give financially. We started attending another church, but it is more concerned with worldly issues than preaching the word of God.
We're going to attend our former church because we miss some friends there.
Thank you, Allen, for pointing some things out for us.
You're still supposed to be a giver. You're actually giving to God, not the church.
“Nigga you ain’t Denzel!” 😂😂😂😂
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AMEN! Three points to consider:
1 Compare your hurt to what Jesus went through on the cross.
2 Read & Practice the Lord's Prayer, 1 Corinthians 13 and
Colossians 3: 12-17.
3 Consider your own sins and how much God has forgiven and continues to forgive you daily.
Your channel is a real blessing!
Thank you!🙋🏼♂️📖⛪
How do you know the bible is true?
@@stormy7709 scripture
How do you know you’ve been forgiven of anything and how does a god sacrificing himself to himself to exploit his own loophole to save humanity from his own wrath even remotely applicable to our lives?
@@mattcool941 That is a circular argument. You can’t use the bible to prove the bible is true. Why not convert to any other religion that makes those exact claims.
@@stormy7709 Nobody knows. It’s all blind faith.
AMEN!!! I was molested as a kid but I didn’t turn completely away from men. We all have a sad story but don’t let that turn u away from the bride of Christ.
Amen sister Christ is your strength dear 💕
Wow good point
My husband grew up in church but the church had a big falling out and split. His parents decided they could serve God more within their own family. Flash forward to now… no one in his family goes to a church and he went a few times with me when our children were little but never full time and doesn’t at all now that our children are grown. Thank you for this session as I’m going to try and get him to listen to it but he cussed me out three days ago for playing a Christian tik tok without my headphones. I know it is because the Holy Spirit is convicting him but it is so hard and I actually back slid and stopped going for many years bc it was easier on our relationship. Not that I’ve recommitted my life to Christ and the church for the past three years our relationship has been more strained than ever.
I'm 51 years old, born again when I was nine years. Been in a small church all my life, worked every position but a pastor. If the church becomes more than a birthing room, if the church becomes more than an place of worship and learning, you have a problem. Jesus said if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me! Lift Jesus up in the church, lift Jesus up everywhere you go! Leave your selfish flesh at the cross, and then you will have church! Our churches are programmed to death! The program we need is Jesus, he is the great programmer!
These stories make me so grateful of th church I go to. It isn't perfect, but they stress the importance of Christian character to an incredibly high degree in church leadership. This may be why I haven't experienced or heard of any spiritual abuse.
That's why I don't like this video....If someone listens to him .And goes when and joins a church that they don't feel peace about..just out of guilt or fear that Jesus is going to be mad at them.....And they end up getting abused not like he was keys say out right sexually abused...Allen is not gonna be there for them...Think about it he's giving advice on here but if people listen to them.He not gonna take responsibility.....for what happens to them..or be there to pray them through...If all theses people are complaining about what's goin on in churches and we don't even know each other...Maybe it's time for a real leader to address these thing instead of shaming people because they don't know where to go to church at that they will feel safe . People want to feel safe... THATS the reason people have stopped going......
@@bxvs2732 but he made it clear and emphasised going to a Bible-based church
Many of the churches has lost there FAITH. I used to love going to church, not ALL churches are not of Yahweh.
Agree 👍
Back in the 90s one of the pastors didn't want to pray for my grandpa when he needed help smh...
My grandpa knows so much about the bible him and my nana accepted the lord so long ago and he helped her learn so much about the bible...I miss her so much my grandpa still watches videos and learns more everyday. My beautiful nana and I went to a new one a few Times but it seemed like they were just all about money.. maybe we still could have went though idk..I found a new one and I'm so sad because my beautiful grandmother would have loved it 😔
I'll watch the whole video first.
Thank you for sharing. I have been really struggling with giving up after serving God for 50 years. The last 6 years have been the hardest i have ever been through. I have a lot to consider now.
This video hits close to home. I've experienced church hurt numerous times since I got saved about a decade ago. One of the recurring types of church hurt for me is clique-ish behavior in churches. It's been in every church I've ever belonged to and I'm getting really burned out from it. People don't see cliques as big deals or as sin, but I believe it is sin. The sin of partiality as the letter of James speaks about. They hurt really bad as well. And you never want to say anything because you're afraid of being branded as a trouble maker.
It is a big deal in Churches , the cliques. Small medium and large churches.
Blessings brother Denzel…err…Allen…lol! I agree 100% with what you said and unfortunately can empathize with some of the “church hurt” you went through as I’ve gone through similar ones as well. I simply wanted to pick at something; Heb 10:25 does states “…not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some” but I having a hard time seeing this passage as a commandment. Nevertheless, I agree that we should not abandon the local church .
Stay blessed!!!
I was involved in a church that would read two verses and then the pastor would talk about his life for the next 45 minutes I'm looking for a Bible believing Church here in Minneapolis Minnesota preferably Baptist reformed the one I was at the pastor's actually believe in people like Benny hinn so I had to get out of there
Yeah this one hit me pretty hard. I've been watching online for the last couple years due to kids and the pandemic (I've gone deep and learned alot). However, I have felt convicted about this lately and this just reinforced that conviction. I miss and need the fellowship, and I need to get our lazy butts to church. Thanks for this Allen.
I'm new to my current church. I'll never forget that time when our late pastor called me out in the pulpit and forced me to give to one of his "church projects" (not really about advancing the Kingdom, mind you!). He and his gossip-loving wife lived lavishly and put the burden on the members. That was the last time we talked. He died with COVID-19. Good riddance, I thought. Now our church is slowly reviving. Pray me that I forgive him and let go of the resentment, and for our local church, because his legacy was a church indifferent for the lost.
Oh, did I mention that he actively condemned on the pulpit, me and the discipleship group I was starting? To think that all I did was with his permission, but the "spiritual" wife always feeds him rubbish! His wife is currently trying to usurp the authority of our deacons, but we the members fended her off with Scriptures! God be glorified!!!
I would love to be a part of a church.
I come from a conservative background where fighting in the church was the regular thing, splitting up etc
No good fruits to show for.
I lost my faith in God after growing up in that environment.
In my 20's I found my way to a personal relationship with God at home, and since then for 4 years I've been trying to find a church .
What I find in a church today is nothing compared what the Bible talks about tho .
Christians attend church just for the sake of feeling good, like they got a stamp that they have been to church and now go home after.
No intimacy , no caring very self centered , no influence on the community . No helping the poor .
And with covid the willingness to shut the doors for 2 years (I'm in canada)
Idk I really want to be part of a church, but a church that wants to behave sacrificial, help others , be there for one another, be there for society and make a change.
Why should I settle for a lukewarm church that let me loose faith in God prior in my life.
I want to be part of a church , I don't want to settle for superficial Christianity tho
Fighting in the church? Is that like priests and nuns being violent towards kids?