The 3.7 L version was used by Mazda in their CX9 also. That water pump would go and people would just keep driving until it would quit running. A regular inspection of coolant level and constant close monitoring of coolant temperature is a must. If you think you want a car that you can just get in and drive like most people want then I'd stay as far away as you can from these engines.
I do my own work as much as possible not to save money,but to know it’s done right. I used to work in at a dealership here’s what I learned, very few know how to or care enough to do it right, the ones that do have the knowledge to do it right don’t get the time and money to do it right. I don’t blame the mechanics, they get a tiny fraction of what the customer is charged for repairs, way underpaid for what they do.
I'm the same way, with my semi and with my motorcycle. For me it's not really about the money, that's more of a bonus, mostly with my semi I do it myself to know it's done right. Although, it does help that I know a master mechanic so I've got a lot of knowledge available to me. Even that aside, in this day and age of youtube you can watch a few videos and get a pretty good idea of what to do, so if you're mechanically inclined, and have the tools to do it right, most jobs would be doable if you're willing. But sometimes I just don't really want to screw with it and let someone trusted do it. Your time is worth something, so I take that into account as well.
Nice to see Fact based automotive reels that are not just whining and complaining about some random issues. presenting the problem and the actual solution that is based in actual published procedure is so different than 90 % of auto videos on youtube Kudos !
I’ve done this job a few times and have no issues with same holding tools. After everything is installed and before I put front cover on I always double check everything’s lined up. As per procedure states; 48 chain links from cam mark to cam mark, 35 links from B2 cam to crank. A lot less time and much easier then having to do the job twice and only get paid once.
Why? Because he just did a video about the most basic of things? How to line up timing marks. The video was accurate but even Hackzilla knows you have to line up the timing marks properly.
Read the words EcoBoost and 2 teeth and my right eye started twitching instantly... My mind shifted to the 1.3 fiesta with no crankshaft keyway i just finished and the 5.4 Triton with the blown spark plugs sitting outside with the evil smirk. 😢
I have noticed this about all these alignment/timing tools over the years. That’s why I use a paint marker and zip ties most of the time. The rest of the time I use soft pine 2 by 4’s and a miter saw to make a holding block that barely fits between the cam gears with a rubber hammer.
Another case of engineers versus mechanics! Technically you don't really need those holders, but they are really handy to keep things in place. Just don't try to use them to hold the camshaft while torquing down the sprocket bolts.
I did my own water pump on my 2013 3.5 NA. I ran into this as well, but I fixed it, I didn't catch it the first time assembling it, but the cam hold tool was cut to wide, letting the cam rotate one tooth. Painstakingly taken it all back apart, corrected it, still driving it 30,000 miles later. no light
If the belt isn't broken and the car runs ok (belt hasn't slipped) you can put a pair of white marks on each sprocket and a corresponding mark of each belt tooth that lies between the pairs of sprocket marks. Take off the belt and count the belt teeth between the marks you've made on the old belt then put marks in the same places on the new belt. Reinstall with belt marks placed between orresponding srpocket marks.. No special tools required
That method is how a shop blew my Fiesta's motor. Instead of buying the proper timing tools, they did it the "old fashioned way" and the motor was off by one tooth and the number three piston hit the valve, destroying the motor.
The tool is only to stop vavles from smacking the pistons. I learned without special tools. On v6 and v8 engines. A little past top dead center puts the pist9ns down far enough you'll never get contact bit can still line up the chain marks. Hundreds of interference engines later and zero issues. The 4.0 SOHC is the only engine that needs one. I made my own and it's accurate within 0.5° on new chains every time. The ford tool is 3-4°
They're just a hold down just to make it easier for you to do the timing, they're not ment to be used to set the timing that's your job, well it is now seeing he didn't quite understand the process. Glad to see a mechanic who actually understands how shit works. I like watching your videos keep it up.
It's crazy how many people completely believe that they can do this level of engine work.. but actually can't. Of course they don't realize that until they f it all up. Thanks idiots!
@@scottj273 yep I know how that feels, I'm doing a 4 cam V6 LandCruiser Prado now it was towed in for a new starter from a neighbouring "mechanic" who couldn't finish it. It took me 10 min to take it out and put a new one in. Now that's not all it had a new timing belt at the same mechanic 3 years ago, car hasn't run for 2 years. The thing I don't understand is how it ran in the first place as the timing is out by 40°. The guy has a shop in town, calls himself a mechanic yet has no clue wtf he is doing.
We discovered something similar with a valve compression spring tool from ARES. The lobes on the end were cheaply made/thin. The OTC brand tool was substantially thicker/rigid.
This dude is definitely one of the BEST,HONEST mechanics in the country! Wish he was in my town! Keep up the amazing work bro bro. TONS OF RESPECT FOR YOU !
I am 61 and worked on a car or two. I bought an old Montero sport and had to do the timing belt. My buddy later said my roommate was looking out the window saying how I never would get it running. Then i realized I didn't set the tensioner before releasing the automatic tensioner. It ran good but I said I messed up and need to do it again. She was really trashing my abilities then. I did it right. I haven't had an older car in years but still get it done because I don't like to walk.
fuckin a.. im looking at these ford explorers with the 3.5 because they are strong motors but this internal water pump BS really puts me off… guess i gotta keep saving for that 4runner 🤷♂️
Save. Ip. You. Will. Be. Glad. I. Always. Wanted. One. Too. Now. I. Really. Need one. I moved. From. Louisiana. To. The. Rocky. Mountains. I am. Disabled. Retired. And 61. I. Live. Hunting. And. Fresh. Air. Not to. Mention. My. Great grand baby. Not to. Fat. Away
Good thing it was only 2 teeth. That's an "interference" engine. Meaning if the chain breaks or jumps multiple teeth, the valves with make contact with the piston crowns.
some engines like Passat W8 use the same cam phasers on either side but there are 2 sets of marks and one chain has to go on backwards with the marked links facing inwards. trippy
😮 That'll be a lesson for whoever did it. Parts changers have no business working with timing components. IF this person is a "Mechanic" sell all your tools now
I use 2 vise grips on each camshaft, stops them turning back or forth. Never a problem. Timing marks also exist on the sprockets by the way- even if you need a mirror to see them, youll know it's right before turning it over.
@@Walczyk ya bro.. Maybe for some vehicles. But the only speciality tools I ever needed to work on a small block Chevy was specially bent wrench to loosen the distributor hold down bolt. I am talking before everything was electronic and you had to diagnose a problem with skill not a scan tool.
😂 I echo your sentiment. Decades ago, when we bought the first "specialty" timing tool for a non-european engine, my boss at the time asked "so now we need a timing set up for all the new engines, how many tools are that?" Yes, we now have an entire wall stacked with specialty timing tools for different engines. And that's separate from the network tools, programming equipment, general service gauges, the scanners, radio frequency and infrared detection and ultrasonic testing equipment. You can't even stock a repair manual library because its constantly being updated which means internet and subscription fees. You just can't stop improving or you get left behind.
@DropDMurphy the fact you think the scan tool does the diagnosis, says everything we need to know about you as a tech. Get with the times, there's twice as much knowledge required to diagnose then there used to be, and 20x the amount parts on a car.
Just use the tools that manufacturers have to do the job properly. (The marks on the links) it’s there to make it look way to see if it’s all lined up or not.
Wtf are you on. Or don't you understand what interference means, if you snap or break a chain or belt with an interference engine it's basically worthless, on the other hand a non interference motor you just replace the belt or chain that has broken and away you go in a matter of ours not days or weeks. Non interference motors are far better.
As a former Nissan Master Tech who has done hundreds of timing chains I never fully rely on the special tools and always rely on the chain marks matching with the cam and crank sprockets marks. I never trust the unforciable variable that can ruin a job. It's what I teach my students.
I bought a set that were supposed to fit in-between the gears. Too big. Filed the mating sides down flat like the manufacturer should have and they worked perfect.
I have found it best if dealing with a running engine put it in time before disassembly mark the chain or belt Count the number of teeth between the marks After reassembly verify you still have the same number of teeth
@@lrb4 IT's an intentionally shitty design by Ford to force you into a dealer for a water pump replacement. IT's anti-self-repair, anti-third-party-repair design. It's part of why I won't buy modern cars. The 300 I6 in my 37 year old F150 doesn't have any bullshit design features in it.
@@randymagnum143 With the whack transmission issues with their newer focuses that has convinced my friend that they can't use the sport shift mode or it'll break the trans.... I agree. I also agree with Ferruccio Lamborghini. Build your shit to get used.
How'd that timing chain thing work out for Pontiac back in the day? It's all in the engineering. You are severly limiting your enjoyment of vehicles by avoiding OHC engines 😂
I used to use a chisel and jam it against the cam and the edge of the hesd.never needed that tool he is using. Mark the gear and the head and match it up the chain is really a repeating circle, the position of the chain doesn't matter. All the gears have to be in the proper position.
I always like watching your stuff man. Its always good information. I have a quetion for anyone who might know. My son has a 16 Chevy Cruze that i did his timing belt and all that stuff. He was getting a code for the exhaust side variable timing solenoid. We replaced the solenoid but hes still getting the same code. If when i did the timing belt if i was a tooth off on the exhaust cam would the car still run without grenading? It also stumbles sometimes at startup.
the actual OTC tools are twice as thick but the fact is that operator error happens. if you have been wrenching(professional or otherwise) long enough you will make mistakes. it's bound to happen 🤷🏻♂️
They’re just to hold the camd they won’t move That’s why the marks are there but that’s why they pay you. I always go by the marks that’s what the service manual says.
I'm about to do this job today. If I'm correct, you have to play with them alitte to get them perfect? This was one of the things I was worried about. Appreciate ya 💯 🙏
You do. I also used Vice grip on cam just behind the tool when tightening and loosening. Check out the fordmd you tube video on cam phaser job. Also once you get the truck all set up and times and put cover on you have to rotate the engine to spin the ac belt on and the cams are ratchety sounding while doing this.
A lot of the times you will get a replacement timing chain and the links are off and you have to make a decision, do you want to set it before the mark or after the mark on one of the cams😂😂😂😂😂 I've seen that with Toyota more so than any other manufacturer.
Good God, if the guy didn't just check the timing marks it's beyond a miracle that it even runs. This day and age, with youtube and all HOW could you NOT do it right? Thinking maybe I should open a shop if common sense is paying so damn good!
I paid $700 to get my truck back from button Dodge and cocomo turned around had to work on it myself because they couldn't fix the code. It is sad I don't have a college education but I fixed it. What's wrong with this Picture.
I did timing chain and turbos on a 3.5 not too long ago. They make it pretty idiot proof with the marks on the chain. The tool is 20 bucks too. Just gotta make sure and use the true Motorcraft sealant.
@j duv no their new formula resists a reaction with the oil. The old stuff would react with hot oil and breakdown. That's why most 3.5s leak at the timing cover. I think it negatively impacted the oil too. Made it foam or something. What I've been taught. Idk if it's bs or not.
So when you take the timing off on a suburu, they have white marks dead center, and all the other markers have to line up exactly, or, you take a chance of blowing the motor! Or tearing it up at least, even if you don't blow it, it's still messed up! Trust me, I know! I did try to tell the guy working on my car about it, but he knows more than me, well 3 hours later, he got it back to dead center, when if he would've just listened to me, would've saved 3 hours min..... Car still don't run!
My car is so bad !!! NORMALY while the engin is running if you if you try to start the engin it grinds at the starter and fly wheel . Mine does nothing at all , no noise if you try to start the vehicle while it's running already . Bad ignition
There is a correct procedure,,, and when one tries to cut corners within a procedure, the outcome is going to reflect.... AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😜 lols... It's time to fix lunch the Walton's are on I gotta go.... Remember not to mash your fingers while I am gone.... I have turned in my wrenches for the most part.
Making it more owner unfriendly. When you pay cash, you deserve to separate from the dealer for a while. In this day and age when a Honda keeps going and going, why is it that North America keeps falling down ? What is a "timing hold down set ?
The engineers have eliminated the average joe water pump transplant waaaay out of the picture! What the hell man whats the infernal combustion engine coming too??🤔🤔
The end if Al Gore, David Suzuki and Greta have their way. With all these Ev's they want to push either you won't have a vehicle due to cost or you won't be able to fix or service anything on it your self. They've got that high voltage stuff locked up with safety courses and being licensed to work on it !
The dealership did this to my wife’s explorer a while back she picked it up drove it for a week I get in and instantly could tell something was off. Took it straight back dealer had to completely go thru and replace all the timing components they just installed because they installed incorrectly good thing the water pump was covered under warranty and their work was 100% covered
The real problem is why the waterpump runs off the chain. I can do a waterpump and radiator on my 90's gm v6 in about twenty minutes.
I had a 99 explorer that wasn’t like this
My Ford Explorer Sport had the internal water pump. I traded it in.
The 3.7 L version was used by Mazda in their CX9 also. That water pump would go and people would just keep driving until it would quit running. A regular inspection of coolant level and constant close monitoring of coolant temperature is a must. If you think you want a car that you can just get in and drive like most people want then I'd stay as far away as you can from these engines.
@@thecarnut9899 no wonder y i don't c a lot of Ford explorers on the road anymore
@@Eduardo_Espinoza they call them ford exploders for a reason.
Their is a reason sometimes I pay others. Not often, just sometimes.
There*
I do my own work as much as possible not to save money,but to know it’s done right. I used to work in at a dealership here’s what I learned, very few know how to or care enough to do it right, the ones that do have the knowledge to do it right don’t get the time and money to do it right. I don’t blame the mechanics, they get a tiny fraction of what the customer is charged for repairs, way underpaid for what they do.
Sometimes I just don't want to give up a Saturday so I pay. VERY RARE! want it done right!
I'm the same way, with my semi and with my motorcycle. For me it's not really about the money, that's more of a bonus, mostly with my semi I do it myself to know it's done right. Although, it does help that I know a master mechanic so I've got a lot of knowledge available to me. Even that aside, in this day and age of youtube you can watch a few videos and get a pretty good idea of what to do, so if you're mechanically inclined, and have the tools to do it right, most jobs would be doable if you're willing. But sometimes I just don't really want to screw with it and let someone trusted do it. Your time is worth something, so I take that into account as well.
Nice to see Fact based automotive reels that are not just whining and complaining about some random issues. presenting the problem and the actual solution that is based in actual published procedure is so different than 90 % of auto videos on youtube Kudos !
Facts bro 💯
Part of why I'm subscribed to this channel. He is a REAL TECH.
I’ve done this job a few times and have no issues with same holding tools. After everything is installed and before I put front cover on I always double check everything’s lined up. As per procedure states; 48 chain links from cam mark to cam mark, 35 links from B2 cam to crank. A lot less time and much easier then having to do the job twice and only get paid once.
Do it right the second time.
How much should I charge for that job
@@nelsontubens2059$500 dollars max is my thoughts on it.
This is probably the only auto tech on CZcams that has my respect, he really knows his shit.
Why? Because he just did a video about the most basic of things? How to line up timing marks.
The video was accurate but even Hackzilla knows you have to line up the timing marks properly.
Mike, thanks for being such a great teacher!
Read the words EcoBoost and 2 teeth and my right eye started twitching instantly...
My mind shifted to the 1.3 fiesta with no crankshaft keyway i just finished and the 5.4 Triton with the blown spark plugs sitting outside with the evil smirk. 😢
🔧🔧🔧🔧🔧🔧🔧🔧🔧🔧Mike you are a honest tech. 🇺🇲
All that to replace a water pump..wow
Ya, makes you wanna buy something from the 80s. Lol. Or any other engine ever I guess
I have noticed this about all these alignment/timing tools over the years. That’s why I use a paint marker and zip ties most of the time. The rest of the time I use soft pine 2 by 4’s and a miter saw to make a holding block that barely fits between the cam gears with a rubber hammer.
Another case of engineers versus mechanics! Technically you don't really need those holders, but they are really handy to keep things in place. Just don't try to use them to hold the camshaft while torquing down the sprocket bolts.
Interesting. How should they be held in place then? Would you wait until the timing chain is in place with tension?
@@travisjernigan8529 towards the middle of each camshaft is a hex flat cast into it for a wrench. I think it's 21mm but not positive on the size.
I did my own water pump on my 2013 3.5 NA. I ran into this as well, but I fixed it, I didn't catch it the first time assembling it, but the cam hold tool was cut to wide, letting the cam rotate one tooth. Painstakingly taken it all back apart, corrected it, still driving it 30,000 miles later. no light
If the belt isn't broken and the car runs ok (belt hasn't slipped) you can put a pair of white marks on each sprocket and a corresponding mark of each belt tooth that lies between the pairs of sprocket marks. Take off the belt and count the belt teeth between the marks you've made on the old belt then put marks in the same places on the new belt. Reinstall with belt marks placed between orresponding srpocket marks.. No special tools required
That method is how a shop blew my Fiesta's motor. Instead of buying the proper timing tools, they did it the "old fashioned way" and the motor was off by one tooth and the number three piston hit the valve, destroying the motor.
@@ScottPetty they marked it wrong
The tool is only to stop vavles from smacking the pistons. I learned without special tools. On v6 and v8 engines. A little past top dead center puts the pist9ns down far enough you'll never get contact bit can still line up the chain marks. Hundreds of interference engines later and zero issues. The 4.0 SOHC is the only engine that needs one. I made my own and it's accurate within 0.5° on new chains every time. The ford tool is 3-4°
Hey,Mike Good To Hear New Customers 😊 Congratulations 👏 They Definitely Know Your Best Auto Mechanic,Mike,YEAH !!!
They're just a hold down just to make it easier for you to do the timing, they're not ment to be used to set the timing that's your job, well it is now seeing he didn't quite understand the process. Glad to see a mechanic who actually understands how shit works.
I like watching your videos keep it up.
It's crazy how many people completely believe that they can do this level of engine work.. but actually can't. Of course they don't realize that until they f it all up. Thanks idiots!
@@scottj273 yep I know how that feels, I'm doing a 4 cam V6 LandCruiser Prado now it was towed in for a new starter from a neighbouring "mechanic" who couldn't finish it.
It took me 10 min to take it out and put a new one in. Now that's not all it had a new timing belt at the same mechanic 3 years ago, car hasn't run for 2 years. The thing I don't understand is how it ran in the first place as the timing is out by 40°. The guy has a shop in town, calls himself a mechanic yet has no clue wtf he is doing.
We discovered something similar with a valve compression spring tool from ARES. The lobes on the end were cheaply made/thin. The OTC brand tool was substantially thicker/rigid.
This dude is definitely one of the BEST,HONEST mechanics in the country! Wish he was in my town! Keep up the amazing work bro bro. TONS OF RESPECT FOR YOU !
I am 61 and worked on a car or two. I bought an old Montero sport and had to do the timing belt. My buddy later said my roommate was looking out the window saying how I never would get it running. Then i realized I didn't set the tensioner before releasing the automatic tensioner. It ran good but I said I messed up and need to do it again. She was really trashing my abilities then. I did it right. I haven't had an older car in years but still get it done because I don't like to walk.
Can't give you enough praise.
fuckin a.. im looking at these ford explorers with the 3.5 because they are strong motors but this internal water pump BS really puts me off… guess i gotta keep saving for that 4runner 🤷♂️
Save. Ip. You. Will. Be. Glad. I. Always. Wanted. One. Too. Now. I. Really. Need one. I moved. From. Louisiana. To. The. Rocky. Mountains. I am. Disabled. Retired. And 61. I. Live. Hunting. And. Fresh. Air. Not to. Mention. My. Great grand baby. Not to. Fat. Away
Good thing it was only 2 teeth. That's an "interference" engine. Meaning if the chain breaks or jumps multiple teeth, the valves with make contact with the piston crowns.
Now that's frustrating! How are you supposed to trust these tools?
some engines like Passat W8 use the same cam phasers on either side but there are 2 sets of marks and one chain has to go on backwards with the marked links facing inwards. trippy
Old school small block Chevy for the win
I've been through this before. Always getting terrible timing jobs from other places.
😮
That'll be a lesson for whoever did it. Parts changers have no business working with timing components. IF this person is a "Mechanic" sell all your tools now
I use 2 vise grips on each camshaft, stops them turning back or forth. Never a problem. Timing marks also exist on the sprockets by the way- even if you need a mirror to see them, youll know it's right before turning it over.
I've used 4 wrenches and 2 vice grip pliers lol
As long as it gets back together right use whatever works for ya
I remember a day when you didn't need a speciality tool to work on your car.
There have always been specialty tools bro
@@Walczyk ya bro.. Maybe for some vehicles. But the only speciality tools I ever needed to work on a small block Chevy was specially bent wrench to loosen the distributor hold down bolt. I am talking before everything was electronic and you had to diagnose a problem with skill not a scan tool.
😂 I echo your sentiment. Decades ago, when we bought the first "specialty" timing tool for a non-european engine, my boss at the time asked "so now we need a timing set up for all the new engines, how many tools are that?" Yes, we now have an entire wall stacked with specialty timing tools for different engines. And that's separate from the network tools, programming equipment, general service gauges, the scanners, radio frequency and infrared detection and ultrasonic testing equipment. You can't even stock a repair manual library because its constantly being updated which means internet and subscription fees. You just can't stop improving or you get left behind.
@@DropDMurphy yeah seriously the digital comms now are so insane you need a good 4 channel scope and breakout box to do anything now
@DropDMurphy the fact you think the scan tool does the diagnosis, says everything we need to know about you as a tech. Get with the times, there's twice as much knowledge required to diagnose then there used to be, and 20x the amount parts on a car.
Just use the tools that manufacturers have to do the job properly. (The marks on the links) it’s there to make it look way to see if it’s all lined up or not.
Interference engines the smartest thing to exist
Sadness
Wtf are you on. Or don't you understand what interference means, if you snap or break a chain or belt with an interference engine it's basically worthless, on the other hand a non interference motor you just replace the belt or chain that has broken and away you go in a matter of ours not days or weeks. Non interference motors are far better.
I made my own cam holders for that motor there is No movement in mine cost about 5 $ to make all old wrenches always go by color linka!!!
God I hate modern cars 🤦🏻♂️
actually about to do one of these, great info to have before hand, thanks
As a former Nissan Master Tech who has done hundreds of timing chains I never fully rely on the special tools and always rely on the chain marks matching with the cam and crank sprockets marks. I never trust the unforciable variable that can ruin a job. It's what I teach my students.
I bought a set that were supposed to fit in-between the gears. Too big. Filed the mating sides down flat like the manufacturer should have and they worked perfect.
I have found it best if dealing with a running engine put it in time before disassembly mark the chain or belt
Count the number of teeth between the marks
After reassembly verify you still have the same number of teeth
My takeaway from this is "never buy anything with overhead cams"
They aren’t hard just gotta be smarter than that hunk of aluminum
@@lrb4 IT's an intentionally shitty design by Ford to force you into a dealer for a water pump replacement. IT's anti-self-repair, anti-third-party-repair design.
It's part of why I won't buy modern cars. The 300 I6 in my 37 year old F150 doesn't have any bullshit design features in it.
@@lrb4 seems like a long way to go to change a waterpump. Seems like Ford engineers are decidedly *not* as smart as a chunk of aluminum.
@@randymagnum143
With the whack transmission issues with their newer focuses that has convinced my friend that they can't use the sport shift mode or it'll break the trans....
I agree.
I also agree with Ferruccio Lamborghini. Build your shit to get used.
How'd that timing chain thing work out for Pontiac back in the day?
It's all in the engineering. You are severly limiting your enjoyment of vehicles by avoiding OHC engines 😂
man, you have a very good you tube. This is valuable information. Keep driving mate!
That's why I use a recommended mechanic . As careful as I can be and I'll make a cock of it .
Great video 👍🇬🇧
I used to use a chisel and jam it against the cam and the edge of the hesd.never needed that tool he is using. Mark the gear and the head and match it up the chain is really a repeating circle, the position of the chain doesn't matter. All the gears have to be in the proper position.
Sheesh, since when did someone think they have to involve timing had to be used with the cooling system?!
That's why I own a "single" overhead cam engine, not a dual.
Why I just stick to my 89 civic n chevrolet 1500
I always like watching your stuff man. Its always good information. I have a quetion for anyone who might know. My son has a 16 Chevy Cruze that i did his timing belt and all that stuff. He was getting a code for the exhaust side variable timing solenoid. We replaced the solenoid but hes still getting the same code. If when i did the timing belt if i was a tooth off on the exhaust cam would the car still run without grenading? It also stumbles sometimes at startup.
Yes it'll still start and run. Sucks man I feel your pain. Is the Cruze the one with the moving water pump for the tensioner. Horrible design
Stay away from eco-boost engines is what so many videos tell me.
This engine in the video isn’t even an ecoboost engine.
My God!!! All these years I thought that was a comb for the folically challenged! I'm bald!!!
the actual OTC tools are twice as thick but the fact is that operator error happens. if you have been wrenching(professional or otherwise) long enough you will make mistakes. it's bound to happen 🤷🏻♂️
I do these all the time, will often get a timing job and once you get in there someone has done the pump and timed with paint, just as you said 😭😂
Bro, I just bought the timing tools they used...
Nice ear piece
Lol no issues 2 wrenches and a paint pen on 2014 explorer
Done over 100 of these. Never used the tools.
I've used 2wrenchs and welded them together 😂
Yes, got to use the cam holders and reference the colored links together.
They’re just to hold the camd they won’t move That’s why the marks are there but that’s why they pay you. I always go by the marks that’s what the service manual says.
One of the very many reasons i leave combustion engines to history
And you work on your Tesla?
These new engines are so technical. A shade tree mechanic can't hardly work them.. 😞
Yup did one of those have the timing kit cause the crank pulley has no keyway
The engine in the video has a crankshaft key.
😂 40 plus years of timing motors.
You need to pay attention
I'm about to do this job today. If I'm correct, you have to play with them alitte to get them perfect? This was one of the things I was worried about. Appreciate ya 💯 🙏
You do. I also used Vice grip on cam just behind the tool when tightening and loosening. Check out the fordmd you tube video on cam phaser job. Also once you get the truck all set up and times and put cover on you have to rotate the engine to spin the ac belt on and the cams are ratchety sounding while doing this.
I hate over head cam timing jobs! Worst one for me was 97 7series V8…. I hated that timing job
Honestly if you buy an eco boom you deserve every problem that comes with it, yeah all makes and models have problems but some are worse than others.
My floors don't look anything like that.
20/10
What socket do you use on the cam phaser bolts? If you have a parts number that would be awesome. Thank You in advance.
I bought a cheap kit on Amazon that came with everything including the socket I'll see if I can find the part number
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I got that same one.😊
A lot of the times you will get a replacement timing chain and the links are off and you have to make a decision, do you want to set it before the mark or after the mark on one of the cams😂😂😂😂😂 I've seen that with Toyota more so than any other manufacturer.
Good God, if the guy didn't just check the timing marks it's beyond a miracle that it even runs. This day and age, with youtube and all HOW could you NOT do it right? Thinking maybe I should open a shop if common sense is paying so damn good!
I paid $700 to get my truck back from button Dodge and cocomo turned around had to work on it myself because they couldn't fix the code. It is sad I don't have a college education but I fixed it. What's wrong with this Picture.
How you like those ear buds ?..i love mine I got the same ones
Precision tools that have play like that? Never seen that at bmw.
I did timing chain and turbos on a 3.5 not too long ago. They make it pretty idiot proof with the marks on the chain. The tool is 20 bucks too. Just gotta make sure and use the true Motorcraft sealant.
Isn't all Rtv silicone the same 🤔
@j duv no their new formula resists a reaction with the oil. The old stuff would react with hot oil and breakdown. That's why most 3.5s leak at the timing cover. I think it negatively impacted the oil too. Made it foam or something. What I've been taught. Idk if it's bs or not.
This guy always shows us why mechanics are not just grease monkeys .. there is some skill required there
I have a bunch of omt tools. They work but are subpar quality.
He still got the timing close because most cars will run up to three teeth off
Doesn’t look like an ecoboost…. ???? Regular 3.5??
So when you take the timing off on a suburu, they have white marks dead center, and all the other markers have to line up exactly, or, you take a chance of blowing the motor! Or tearing it up at least, even if you don't blow it, it's still messed up! Trust me, I know! I did try to tell the guy working on my car about it, but he knows more than me, well 3 hours later, he got it back to dead center, when if he would've just listened to me, would've saved 3 hours min..... Car still don't run!
the 1.6 has a position sensor on the non keyed crank pulley that needs to go on right too.
There's 2 diff cam versions check Mitchell....
Is dude has a different set of earbuds in every video I swear 😅
Why do they make it so difficult to change a water pump?
My car is so bad !!! NORMALY while the engin is running if you if you try to start the engin it grinds at the starter and fly wheel . Mine does nothing at all , no noise if you try to start the vehicle while it's running already .
Bad ignition
You got to bite your tongue and pay attention to detail when doing multiple chain motors. Get it right it will work every time
Been off a ɓit is becoming the new normal........
How's the ticker brother?
There is a correct procedure,,, and when one tries to cut corners within a procedure, the outcome is going to reflect.... AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😜 lols... It's time to fix lunch the Walton's are on I gotta go.... Remember not to mash your fingers while I am gone.... I have turned in my wrenches for the most part.
Holy shit find top dead center he said
What engine?
Oh just use a grinder, it will fit😂😂
Is this nissan?
Making it more owner unfriendly. When you pay cash, you deserve to separate from the dealer for a while. In this day and age when a Honda keeps going and going, why is it that North America keeps falling down ? What is a "timing hold down set ?
Done it by eyesight before came out good
What state is your shop????
I had a experience with a cam way back in the day. You have to be. Exact on timing oh yeah it will run but never. Right. Loss of massive power
5.4. Ford
Wth is in ur ear boy. Look like jerry smith sailor moon suit up. S6E5
Take the time to find the colored links and then you know for sure it's timed correctly! Just saying!!
The links are color an there's a mark on the cam phaser you can't fuck it up
The engineers have eliminated the average joe water pump transplant waaaay out of the picture! What the hell man whats the infernal combustion engine coming too??🤔🤔
The end if Al Gore, David Suzuki and Greta have their way. With all these Ev's they want to push either you won't have a vehicle due to cost or you won't be able to fix or service anything on it your self. They've got that high voltage stuff locked up with safety courses and being licensed to work on it !
The dealership did this to my wife’s explorer a while back she picked it up drove it for a week I get in and instantly could tell something was off. Took it straight back dealer had to completely go thru and replace all the timing components they just installed because they installed incorrectly good thing the water pump was covered under warranty and their work was 100% covered