You da' man, Jack! Your Sur-Ron is the best eBike project on CZcams...aero it (of yourself) and let's see it break 90 and then 100 mph! #WorldsFastestSurRon
Thanks for the review Jack Cecil. In fact the BAC8000 give you superior performances at high speed because there is more phase current. The total phase current that your controller deliver( 570A phase) is the TOTAL phase amp that make your motor torque AND field weakening. So if you use let say 33% field weakening to boost torque at high rpm, than the remaining PHASE amp to the motor is 66% of that 570A phase. so in reality you have 376 A phase to the motor. The 188 A phase are for the torque boost taken by the field weakening. A bac4000 with a total budget of 430 phase amp would give you 283 phase amp and 141A for the firld weakening. Just remember that phase amp and field weakening amp are the total budget of phase amp that your motor controller is giving. Adding field weakening reduce the remaining phase amp that contribute to the torque before the BEMF = batt volt.
Thank you for all your contwnt and hard work. I have been looking for real dyno number on some of these upgrades, and you are the only legit info I have found. Thank you
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, little bike." So, what's the range, about 8-10 mile? Great video series.
You will not!! be disappointed with the Tektro twin caliper setup! I have it on my ebike, I've actually stripped inner tube valves off before due to the braking force spinning the tyre on the rim!! I now have a white marker to draw a line over the rim and tyre to check for tyre creep! I also had to glue the tyre on!
I'm running the Sabvoton M72150< I want to run a BAC8000 on my custom cruiser build so bad! It would be a night & day difference. Hell, even the BAC4000 would be a big upgrade from the Sabvoton M72150. I don't care about top speed as it already goes over 70 mph. I want that bottom end power the BAC puts out! Great video bro.
Really cool jack! Thx 4 getting bk w/ my buddy. R the update Mac/ osi downloadable yet. I was hoping not 2 hav 2 buy another computer 2 download the updates. Well, a PC in particular... again, thx 4 the help. Hopefully that was the prob & the ERT NXT will b Mac friendly, soon. Or, regrettably I’ll spend more $ on a PC....
The biggest mistake I made was buy an ASI 8000 controller straight from ASI. It doesn't come with the wiring loom, only the plugs. Fat lot of good that does. Emailing them gets you nowhere and it"s definitely not "plug and play". Really disappointing. I have since brought the whole setup from ERT and I'm waiting waiting waiting for it to arrive. All I want is my bike to go hard out like yours. Garth.
Maybe do a braking test before and after. I guess that if it’s a saint copy it’ll be better than twin tektro brakes, not considering fade. Happy to see it tested though. Good work Jack!
Great bike!!! Can honnestly say mine is complete stock just been out for a hour hear in the uk and its a blast of fun 50 mph all day long thats with nobbly tyres on the road lol fast enuff for me,, mines just ace for wheelies dont need speed realy
I have just bought a light bee x. Can you advise on the best upgrades. Not wanting to speed a fortune but want to increase power and possible range. Thabks
so, no need to buy the X edition if going to upgrade with bac 8000 and lightspeed 72v, correct? where can I buy to ship in US as luna only has X black version? thanks!
Hey jack. I just installed my bac8000 but I have a couple questions about it. The top bracket was drilled in the wrong spot and the bracket is at the wrong angle. It was sitting too low to clear the motor bash guard. It was also pointed towards the ground instead of hugging the frame. I re drilled the holes in the top bracket but it looks pretty ugly now. I have 3 brackets for the bottom with 3 holes in each one but don’t see a way to mount them. Did you use your own custom fabricated brackets or use what was sent? If you used what was sent did you receive the correct hardware to bolt it on? The instructions that came with it were 100% useless as far as mounting the controller. The wiring/programming was very simple but the brackets/hardware I received really missed the mark.
Put a alternator where the pedal kit goes similar to regenerative braking but instead you’ll have an alternator giving you a little bit of a charge So your battery can last longer. I would still use that fan to cool that 8000. The belt drive is really bad ass. I got a question will 270 amps turn you into dust if you were to get electrocuted. They sell custom horns with different horn tunes
Hey question, I have the same set except I am running the 72v gladiator compact, can you tell me why phase amps seen to be about double the regular amp rating. Thanks
Hello from the uk hope your keeping safe. I have one question could you make an adapter to plug in a charge Point when out and about so you not just limited to the 30-40 miles
Hi, also from the UK. The problem with charging while out and about is the size of the chargers for plugging into the likes of a chademo, just take a look at newzeroland's channel from New Zealand he has a zero bike and the size of the aftermarket fast charger he installed is about the same size as the speed controller on this one. Doable to mount it, maybe as a fake tank or something or you could use a small charger though it would probably take a couple of hours to charge, so you might be as well just taking the AC charger with you in a back pack and plugging it in at destination. It all depends on how you intend to use the bike, it is really designed as a short range commuter or trailie.
Loving the Sur Ron content that thing is a beast. Question I’ve got myself a bws 100cc and wondering what I need to do to get more top speed? I’m maxing out at 80kmh
@@zimmiemeijers6475 a larger rear sprocket will make it pull away quicker but decrease top speed, a smaller one decreases acceleration but ups the top speed
Hey Jack let me know if someone 6'3 fits on that thing properly. Because bike looks kinda small. Need to know before I pull the trigger. Great video like always. Need something stealthy 😁
I really love your video’s, do you know if I can buy the motor with the gears separately from the suron itself because I want to bould my one bike and this is an nicely compact motor. Thanks
Is the dyno bike red or orange? Can't tell if its just the lighting but it looks a reddish orange. I want to get that color and know they have both. Hey and so you can just slap that 72V battery right in with the original controller? If it's that easy I think I will do also. Good video on that one too. I am getting this bike. Thanks
@@JackCecil I just bought a Sur Ron and would like to upgrade some of the features but I dont know much about controllers and I have heard that there is a big learning curve to exchanging them, do you agree with this? Also I am curious what the numbers look like on this bike when everything is stock except a new 72v battery like you have in this video? Great content by the way, thanks!
You da' man, Jack! Your Sur-Ron is the best eBike project on CZcams...aero it (of yourself) and let's see it break 90 and then 100 mph! #WorldsFastestSurRon
Its not an ebike
Or nearly the world's fastest lmaoo. He wouldn't be the first over 100mph either.
Does anyone know what speed those tyres will hold? Seems kinda sketch.
@@Thrillowatt did you not watch the video? 112mph or something
It has no pedals so technically not an ebike but still a cool bike
Didn’t think it was quite that powerful, but I am now a believer. Great video, Jack!
Thanks for the review Jack Cecil. In fact the BAC8000 give you superior performances at high speed because there is more phase current. The total phase current that your controller deliver( 570A phase) is the TOTAL phase amp that make your motor torque AND field weakening. So if you use let say 33% field weakening to boost torque at high rpm, than the remaining PHASE amp to the motor is 66% of that 570A phase. so in reality you have 376 A phase to the motor. The 188 A phase are for the torque boost taken by the field weakening. A bac4000 with a total budget of 430 phase amp would give you 283 phase amp and 141A for the firld weakening. Just remember that phase amp and field weakening amp are the total budget of phase amp that your motor controller is giving. Adding field weakening reduce the remaining phase amp that contribute to the torque before the BEMF = batt volt.
Thank you for all your contwnt and hard work. I have been looking for real dyno number on some of these upgrades, and you are the only legit info I have found. Thank you
Such a nice setup, I need one!!
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, little bike." So, what's the range, about 8-10 mile? Great video series.
Good stuff Jack!! Your explanation of how much cleaner electric is; is the reason I sold all of my nitro rc’s and now only run electric r/c’s.
Leo H. Lol saving the world one r/c at a time
awesome videos!
Thanks for your research
You will not!! be disappointed with the Tektro twin caliper setup! I have it on my ebike, I've actually stripped inner tube valves off before due to the braking force spinning the tyre on the rim!! I now have a white marker to draw a line over the rim and tyre to check for tyre creep! I also had to glue the tyre on!
Another Cecil in the car world. Great videos man!!!!
I love the sound of electric motors and drives 🤤
I get off when my washing machine does a spin cycle. 😂
License plate? Does that mean you got pulled by the police? 🤣🤣 another good video jack
I'm running the Sabvoton M72150< I want to run a BAC8000 on my custom cruiser build so bad! It would be a night & day difference. Hell, even the BAC4000 would be a big upgrade from the Sabvoton M72150. I don't care about top speed as it already goes over 70 mph. I want that bottom end power the BAC puts out! Great video bro.
I see he stuck a license plate on it. Getting a little worried a cop might look twice at a electric bike doing 90mph? Lol I'd do the same thing.
Really cool jack! Thx 4 getting bk w/ my buddy. R the update Mac/ osi downloadable yet. I was hoping not 2 hav 2 buy another computer 2 download the updates. Well, a PC in particular... again, thx 4 the help. Hopefully that was the prob & the ERT NXT will b Mac friendly, soon. Or, regrettably I’ll spend more $ on a PC....
Big Improvements
Sounds wicked awesome
The biggest mistake I made was buy an ASI 8000 controller straight from ASI. It doesn't come with the wiring loom, only the plugs. Fat lot of good that does. Emailing them gets you nowhere and it"s definitely not "plug and play". Really disappointing. I have since brought the whole setup from ERT and I'm waiting waiting waiting for it to arrive. All I want is my bike to go hard out like yours. Garth.
You are doing God's work here Mr. Cecil...😆👍
The. Sir ron is really nice I like the performance on that Bike
Maybe do a braking test before and after. I guess that if it’s a saint copy it’ll be better than twin tektro brakes, not considering fade. Happy to see it tested though. Good work Jack!
Great bike!!! Can honnestly say mine is complete stock just been out for a hour hear in the uk and its a blast of fun 50 mph all day long thats with nobbly tyres on the road lol fast enuff for me,, mines just ace for wheelies dont need speed realy
70k congrats jack , I remember when ruddy was tryin to get you to 22k so he could drive the Ferrari . Where is the Ferrari ?
Jack about dame time whoooohooooooo
I have just bought a light bee x. Can you advise on the best upgrades. Not wanting to speed a fortune but want to increase power and possible range. Thabks
I like the Saran the performance is badass
how long do you ride your surron? any heatproblems with the motor or battery yet?
Cool upgrade combination! Hopefully we'll see a 104V battery and a 10,000 power mod. I can dream a little dream 😜😎👍💯
so, no need to buy the X edition if going to upgrade with bac 8000 and lightspeed 72v, correct? where can I buy to ship in US as luna only has X black version? thanks!
I'm just waiting for the new motor. I want to build one, but at the moment it's just not yet enough
Hey jack. I just installed my bac8000 but I have a couple questions about it. The top bracket was drilled in the wrong spot and the bracket is at the wrong angle. It was sitting too low to clear the motor bash guard. It was also pointed towards the ground instead of hugging the frame. I re drilled the holes in the top bracket but it looks pretty ugly now. I have 3 brackets for the bottom with 3 holes in each one but don’t see a way to mount them. Did you use your own custom fabricated brackets or use what was sent? If you used what was sent did you receive the correct hardware to bolt it on? The instructions that came with it were 100% useless as far as mounting the controller. The wiring/programming was very simple but the brackets/hardware I received really missed the mark.
been to a supermoto track by any chance? Or can you powersilde it around corners for that matter?
Put a alternator where the pedal kit goes similar to regenerative braking but instead you’ll have an alternator giving you a little bit of a charge So your battery can last longer. I would still use that fan to cool that 8000. The belt drive is really bad ass. I got a question will 270 amps turn you into dust if you were to get electrocuted. They sell custom horns with different horn tunes
I ordered the BAC 8000 but no 72v batt yet. This won’t affect my stock battery will it?
would the other belt drive kit give you higher top speed? and also stop it wheeling so easy
Hey question, I have the same set except I am running the 72v gladiator compact, can you tell me why phase amps seen to be about double the regular amp rating. Thanks
Does this setup helps with mile range? If so or not how much range does this setup gives?
What would you recommend Segway X160 at $2999 on best buy or Sur-Ron at $3600? Are they the same?
Nice really nice I like to build one red is my favorite color
How do these bikes especially with the mods hold up to rain? Are you going to fry it if it gets wet?
Hey Jack, how much torque is it producing? Seems to me like the torque output is more important than hp, especially on electric?
what wheel set are you using? do you have video of it?
Can i run stock battery with the bac 8000? or is it waste of money? is bac 4000 better with stock battery?
does the bac8000 work on the light bee x or the normal x which is better and faster
Yo Jack, would take a minute & let us know more about the headlight. The stock light leaves a little to be desired.
Do you have anywhere with some decent grade hills so we can see the power and speed up a grade? The acceleration gain must be significant!
It’s Florida. We don’t have hills.
Hey jack what is your field of weakening set at ?
Your a bit SICK ! 🏆👈👀60 Second Pro Moto EBike !
What kind of headlight is that?
Hello from the uk hope your keeping safe.
I have one question could you make an adapter to plug in a charge Point when out and about so you not just limited to the 30-40 miles
Hi, also from the UK. The problem with charging while out and about is the size of the chargers for plugging into the likes of a chademo, just take a look at newzeroland's channel from New Zealand he has a zero bike and the size of the aftermarket fast charger he installed is about the same size as the speed controller on this one. Doable to mount it, maybe as a fake tank or something or you could use a small charger though it would probably take a couple of hours to charge, so you might be as well just taking the AC charger with you in a back pack and plugging it in at destination. It all depends on how you intend to use the bike, it is really designed as a short range commuter or trailie.
Turn power down longer run times ,
I'm new to all this, is that 8000 just plug and play, or is there a lot more involved? Yes, awesome videos!
Loving the Sur Ron content that thing is a beast. Question I’ve got myself a bws 100cc and wondering what I need to do to get more top speed? I’m maxing out at 80kmh
change the sprocket to a larger size, on your rear wheel
@@zimmiemeijers6475 a larger rear sprocket will make it pull away quicker but decrease top speed, a smaller one decreases acceleration but ups the top speed
Andy b you’re absolutely right, I have not thought it through enough before I answered
Thanks for the reply guys I’ll definitely have to look into it. Any other cool mods that I should do?
Hey Jack let me know if someone 6'3 fits on that thing properly. Because bike looks kinda small. Need to know before I pull the trigger. Great video like always. Need something stealthy 😁
Jack is at least 6' I think
This next speed run is going to be Crazy 👀
That thing is nuts haha. Wow.
Go for metal pads, the shimano JO4C pads will deal with the heat way better than the resin pads.
why not max out the 8000? should be able to do 700 odd phase amps or more... though it'll warm that motor a tad haha.
Hey Cecil, is this Bike registered as a moped or motorcycle?
20 hp on a bike like that is madness.. how much did u spend on the upgrades?
What Phase Amper on display bac 8000 writing?!)
I really love your video’s, do you know if I can buy the motor with the gears separately from the suron itself because I want to bould my one bike and this is an nicely compact motor. Thanks
that is what i was going to do
O’Brien FPV do you know where to buy an Suron motor
Can anyone tell me if the Segway x160 is the same as the sur ron from Luna
Is that stock motor? The stator could come apart at some point. Spining so fast. Explode shrapnel. Be carful.
Do you guys do custom surron work?
Is it with the stock motor?
You should do a test with it weighted down
Can u or someone that got a bac 8000 pls tell me the measurement of the controller than in advance.
I want to buy this bike where can I order this set up
Nice💪💯👍👍😁
Good choice on not tuning rudniks civic, chances are if it blew up, you’d get hate for it even tho it was gonna blow anyway
No Dino on the Dyno!'
What about torque numbers??
How much torque?
Why dont you sit on the sur on when you test it? Seems and sounds like theres tire spin because of all the instant torque?
He probably rolled on the throttle (not punching it )
Why not compare torque numbers?
Would be cool to put a motor in the front wheel to ad more Power ! Even 1000w motor would give some boost !
Been looking at the Sur Ron’s for off road around my property. They can’t get wet?
They can for sure its cuz of his upgrades hes done the controller on them is aftermarket
Nice content. How about covering licensing and insurance on one of these Sur Rons. Not terribly exciting, but a legit question.
Fr!
Why would I need a license for a e bike?
I got full coverage through geico $20 a month
Is the dyno bike red or orange? Can't tell if its just the lighting but it looks a reddish orange. I want to get that color and know they have both. Hey and so you can just slap that 72V battery right in with the original controller? If it's that easy I think I will do also. Good video on that one too. I am getting this bike. Thanks
John Ambers it’s orange. And you will need upgraded controller for 72v battery.
How much did it cost to get the bac 8000 and the 72v and are they waterproof at all
The 72v battery is $1500 and controller is $999. I wonder if I can use the bac 8000 on stock 60v battery?
What is the ah of the battery?
Jack how come you guys go belt instead of chain when going for all this power? Im sure its different than motorcycle but still wondering
Noise and parastatic draw
justin credible on my HD i did some work and went chain. I can see belt for noise
As a mountain biker, I've never seen a duall caliper fork or hub? How are you planning on doing this?
it's a bolt-on, dual disc hub & forks are at least 5 years old
can you ship that to Uganda East Africa how much would it cost me
ya its SIR ron
How are the motor temps holding up?
Tip Toucher yeah i’m wondering if putting so much amps through that stock motor will burn it up soon
Yo sup with the license plate!????
wow its about a 125cc 2 stroke power wise and it’s not peaky it makes it all the way trough pretty much its fast too my yz only goes 68mph
whats the torque tho👀
What sort of process did you go through to get a license plate on the bike?
You didn't see a plate
committed a felony
You sale the bike? Haven't seen no uploads
What's build cost ???
Can you use the normal charger for the the litespeed battery?
no
You feeling better? :)
Hope you are good jack
I’m good thanks
Can you ride it while raining or when the road is wet?
the other bike got wet & died
could u just tell me the best upgrades to make it go 60 tops nothin else no batteries just the controller
Did you ever find out? I'm looking at the bac8000 controller w stock battery for now
how much is it. that kind of bike.Wow.
What is the max distance for bac 8000, if you were riding 60 mph constant?
I'm wondering the same. You ever find out?
With the bac8000 and the 72v battery riding around 55mph he got 35miles of range out of it before it died
Awesome man. Can you mention some of the cost of the upgrades. That's pretty interesting stuff
It's cool, it's the future and all but you could have virtually any new 250 of your choice for what he has into his surron
Total cost including bike is 7k.
@@JackCecil Can we buy one from you with the a BAC 4000 and a belt drive already installed?
@@JackCecil I just bought a Sur Ron and would like to upgrade some of the features but I dont know much about controllers and I have heard that there is a big learning curve to exchanging them, do you agree with this? Also I am curious what the numbers look like on this bike when everything is stock except a new 72v battery like you have in this video? Great content by the way, thanks!