So, you want a large printer for your work - what do you need to consider
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- I'm often asked about getting larger format printers for people wanting to produce large prints of their photos an artwork, for both personal use and as a business.
What aspects of owning a large printer do you need to ask yourself about. What are you going to do with the prints and how often do such printers need using? Should you consider a second hand printer and does roll paper save you money?
Does it matter if the print heads are easy to replace and is an extended warranty worthwhile?
00:00 Start
00:19 Why do people want such printers
00:35 Costs
01:40 Running costs
03:00 Using the printer enough
03:56 Would you buy a used printer?
04:20 Repair costs
05:06 Canon/Epson choices
05:30 Print heads
06:23 Paper use and roll paper use
07:58 How much use for the printer
08:18 Software for the printer - do you need a RIP
09:15 Yes, an extended warranty is a good idea
10:11 The economics of running these printers
12:00 Enough use for the printer?
12:45 Doing prints for other people
13:58 Is your photography up to it?
15:10 Colour management and icc profiles
15:48 Are you sure you want to run a print business?
18:00 Am I trying to dissuade people from getting a big printer?
19:35 Learning how to get the most from your printer
See more about this in my articles:
The art of the big print
www.northlight-images.co.uk/a...
Are you looking for a bigger printer?
www.northlight-images.co.uk/l...
Are you sure you want a large format printer
www.northlight-images.co.uk/s...
There are videos and articles about the business side of photography at
www.northlight-images.co.uk/b...
The detailed P7000 and P5000 reviews mentioned in the video are at
www.northlight-images.co.uk/e...
www.northlight-images.co.uk/r...
The PRO-2000 review:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/c...
Contact Keith for info about 1-to-1 bespoke personal training for fine-art printing
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Hello Keith, thank you for summing up the pros and cons of a large format printer. Since 2019 I own a SC-P5000 as I could have it at the price of a SC-P800 + roll paper adapter.
Perhaps overkill for what I need the device to but:
- People are investing in very expensive camera equipment, why not invest in an excellent printer. Your 50Mp camera is of no use on social media and most internet related stuff.
- The same goes regarding monitors. How many people do I know who have very expensive camera gear and editing their files on a cheap monitor.
- It improved my photography in general. A print is something completely different as what you have on your "calibrated" monitor.
- These devices can get temperamental, not only regarding maintenance but upgrading your OS could lead to various problems.
- I learned a lot on the technical side of printing like icc profiles, gamut, rendering intend, what paper for what picture, ...
Following your website for 10+ years I was happily surprised that you are on CZcams.
Continue to share your experiences.
All the best.
Thanks - you can thank someone from Canon for twisting my arm into starting the videos ;-)
Glad it's all been of interest.
Kinda like owning a sail boat. Great idea in theory - in practice; well - there are "issues". :^D
Exactly!
When i am watching your videos, my eyes and my mind are 99% focused on your voice. Thank you to share these things 🙏
Thanks - appreciated
Great advice and great presentation. I have been trying to get into printing some of my photos recently and you have the best information that I have found. Any place. Thank you so much for the effort that you put into your work.
Thanks - much appreciated
Keith, excellent video, much common sense information that some don't consider.I really enjoy your no nonsense approach..............thank you again
Thanks - I appreciate that!
Your wisdom and honesty are refreshing! Great insight! Thank you very much!
Thanks - appreciated!
Another great video. Thanks Keith.
Thanks!
this bloke knows what he's talking bout
Thanks!
First of all, apologies, because as the algorithm shows me some of your videos, I keep dropping comments. I agree that the 7500 requires frequent printing. As a fine art photographer that is an issue for me because Indont print that much for myself. But it saves me so much money in printing costs -for my exhibitions, and also for the not very many images I sell- that it is well worth it. On the other hand I do control the process, and although my printer is very good, I get exactly what I want. That is not minor either.
I try to compensate my low frequency printing for other photographers, although that is not necessarily a large source of business and takes time to build. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks.
In a way this video is aimed at those thinking a large printer merely needs a larger space to keep it in ;-)
Good inormation as usual. Thanks
Thank - it's based on a lot of questions I've been asked over the years from people wondering if they should get a 'big' printer.
@@KeithCooper That it has to be used every day is a good advice and I use a printer a few times every year. So, no large printer for me but maybe a small one so I can learn how to print Art photo.
One of the A3+ ones will give you a lot to work on - when you appreciate what it can and can't do, it's time to consider a larger (17" or 24") one [or not, which is the bit that comes from experience]
I have a P7000 that is 4 years old and a damn 3880 from 2014 that just won't die. The inks in it cost about twice per ml than in the larger printer. It won't take roll paper which can really cut your costs especially if you know what 2 or 3 papers you use and you buy them when it's buy 2 get one free. Instead of $7 a sheet for a 17x22, my cost is $1.50, plus my ink costs are half on the 7000. Now I bought the 7000 on sale for $2100 plus 1000 in ink so roughly 3k. Of O sell a 16" print for $400, 9 prints later the printer ink and paper is paid for. Now, repairs of a large printer was a grand to get an epson repair person out including parts when I had a lightning strike. They replaced head and a total of about 2500 in parts last year so it is essentially a new printer now. But consider what happens when a large printer dies with 10 inks at 150 each and the printer is no longer made. But I run a nozzle check exercising EVERY nozzle every other day and like I said, the 3880 is now 9 years old and aside for some nasty clogs from letting it sit uncovered off for a year that epson corrected with me on the phone, it just keeps on tickin. Less gamut than the 7000 so it is relegated to matt ink prints where lower black point and less gamut is needed while the 7000 runs the photo black ink prints. That saves on losing ink going both ways changing between matt/photo black ink. The 7000 is huge but since I always have a border, the 13" 3880 limits me to a 12" print. I may not print much larger than 16" so the 17" rolls work fine but have some 24" on my preferred papers like Platine or Baryta and same for a canvas.
Thanks - good points for people looking at printers to consider
I know exactly and most of your subscribers know what you are talking about, thanks again for your valuable work and sharing your great experience; keep going with this and all the best! PS. my new ipf-2100 is lovely;)
Thanks - have fun with the 2100!
Hello Keith, great printer as it is clear from your review. But as you mentioned more for busisnees and one really needs to think about the use cases. However, I have question, not related to this printer, but for a problem which bothers me.
I have Canon Pro 300, great printer, I produced already great prints.
But now my problem. My daughter asked me to print some portraits on smaller scale, let me say 5cm * 5cm, for a book which she is designing. So I did setup the layout on A4 sheet to 5 *5cm. On the screen, I use a calibrated monitor, it looks fine, no problem. If I print the image, in particular the skin colors, get a red color cast! This is not case If I print full A4! Media settings and profile settings I think are ok!
I can only imagine that the re(sub)sampling task involved, done by the printer software somehow produces wrong results! Perhpas because of some wrong settings? I did test it with a set of resolution settings, no difference in general!
Do you have any idea what the reason could be or what to check?
Thanks in advance!
Michael
Looks like the problem is in how you are creating the small images
If it prints full images OK then there is a colour management/setting issue when producing the small versions.
So - likely a software. not printer issue?
@@KeithCooper Yes I think it is related to color management in conjunction with resizing. I forgoit to mention that is printer independent. The red color cast I get on my office printer as well. Anyway, interesting problem. I will check all the steps from resizing to print.
Thanks!
Michael
Hi Keith,
Ever since you got this printer, you have used such superlatives as a "great printer", "better than desktop", "next level" and so on. Can you go into detail as to what makes this printer, from an image quality standpoint, better than the A3+ printers you have been reviewing. I understand that these are faster, industrial capacity, reliable, etc, but how are they different from an image quality point of view? You mentioned in one of the videos, I think it was the first one , that the subtle differences added up to make a big difference. I want to see that in a video with greater detail and explanation.
Thanks!
It'll be in the review - and particularly the main written one (there is always more detail in the main reviews). My videos are unscripted and often shot in one take - the written material is edited many times to make sure it is more precise and means more exactly what I want ;-)
The inks have a wide gamut, the printer profiles very well, the B&W shows reduced gloss differential and bronzing and the sheet paper feed works very well.
How much of this would show obviously in a print? - probably little to most viewers, but enough that I get a good feel about its overall ease of use.
However, if you want to print borderless sheets or greeting cards, it's pretty useless ;-) Different printers for different uses...
It's a pleasure to test a real top-end printer again...
Had I made videos at the time, I'd have spoken similarly about the P7000 and the P5000, not to mention the PRO-2000 ;-)
Yes, Matt - I'd agree
Hi Keith thanks for the video aa always. There is a question I want to ask, do I really need to always turn on my epson sc p7500 all the time or I can close it every night when I am not using it? My seller told me it's better to turn it on 24 hours so it can do the maintenance by it owns when it needs to.
Thanks Keith for always providing these valuable information.
I would leave it powered, but set to sleep after an hour or so's lack of use.
The 7500 is a printer like my P5000, designed for a lot of use - I can't remember if it has the paperless nozzle check option, but it will not appreciate longer [weeks] periods of dis-use
@@KeithCooperthanks for the answer Keith! You are so friendly and helpful, please keep on making content!
Great video.
Just like to make a suggestion for another video. .. .”Why I don’t like Lightroom” ?
No, I am serious, as I use Lightroom a lot. So I would like your opinion seriously?
See the list in my other reply?
My problem with this topic is that I am a control freak. Would I print enough for an enourmous printer to make sense? Probably not. Do I still want enormous prints, and be able to control the full process? Most definitely.
Wildlife photography is a passion of mine, and I'd love to have massive prints of the animals I photograph.
For the big printers - printing regularly is an important aspect of keeping them happy - a nozzle check on plain paper will suffice,
It would be nice to print a little larger than 17 inches wide at 5760 x 1440 dpi.
Is there a printer that can print 20 22 or 24 inches wide at 5760 x 1440 dpi?
Many - see my review of the P7500 for example
czcams.com/video/o9pad_KVzSc/video.html
www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-surecolor-p7500-printer-review/
5760 is a [largely useless] desktop printer resolution BTW ;-)
See:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/best-epson-p7500-driver-settings/
Lots of reviews of larger printers on the Northlight site...
Your 7500 is not a large printer, it is a COLOSSAL printer. The Epson XP960/970 are large printers (doing A3).
No, the (64") P20000 I tested was colossal
Anything under A3+ is small
YMMV :-)
@@KeithCooper You win
epson heads go bad and it helps to change
I don't agree, having owned a variety of large printers