The Proud Family's Desirability Politics 💋💋💋
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2024
- My reaction to the Makeover episode of The Proud Family with Zoey and The Gross Sisters. Let's discuss the desirability politics in this episode and relate to the ones we see in real life. Please don't forget to comment, like and subscribe. Thank You!!!
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It would be fun to see a back story of the gross sisters. As a kid I wondered why only one of them spoke
Exactly ‼
That would be nice to see a story actually be crafted for them.
Nubia said Olay was "shy" so maybe that's the case for gina.
Only one voice actor, I geuss?
The episode that people bring up with Zoe being just as bad a friend as any of them… I still say Zoe isn’t as horrible as Dijonay.
No one is worse than Dijonay.
@@maenad1231 if we ever find someone who IS… *shudders*…
Not even the friends in "as told by ginger"?
Not one person on the show includes gross sisters are worse than a frinenemy
Why the h#ll is Dijoney mad at Penny for Sticky paying attention to her...I swear with this girl!!!
I remember a story I read as a child about a donkey that dressed up as a lion and then they tried to hunt it. The moral was ‘don't pretend what you are not or they will give you what you don't want’.
Obviously appearances matter, whether we like it or not. But I think it is always important to look good because it makes you feel good and not to please others. And always stay true to what you like and not what is popular or common.
Perfectly said‼
The one chance they could’ve given one of the Gross sisters some character development (and a maybe a voice), but of course it was completely ignored.
Crazy how the proud family covered so many topics and we still haven’t gotten to them all today. What an interesting show!
Right ‼ The more I look back at some episodes, the more video ideas I get 🔥
As a kid I always loved how Olay looked after her makeover. Not because she was prettier or 'morth worthy' or whatever, but just because she smiled. It might be super cheesy to say but a genuine smile truly is one of the most attractive things a person can have, regardless of everything else (And I don't just mean 'attractive' in the romantic sense, I mean 'attractive' as in 'wow this person seems really nice, I'd love to be their friend and get to know them better') I love episodes where 'bad characters' get a chance to be shown as actual people who are capable of being happy and friendly, especially when it's due to a 'good' character stopping to treat them like a person. I know shows tends to always go back to the status quo, but I want Olay to be happy. Let her be happy!
As a side note, I love your videos so much, they're so perfect for youtube binges. I'm so happy there are other people out there who look way too much into cartoons just like me haha
Agreed, in the scene where she waves to Penny she is mostly the same as she usually is in design but the smile alone makes her look like a whole new person.
Thank You ‼
My mom had that happen both ways, she was skinny and attractive as a young woman and teenager, gained weight after having 2 kids in her 30s then losing weight again after gastric bypass. She noticed how people treated her not as nicely and didn’t pay as much attention to her when she gained weight. Then when she lost it again she was seen as much more attractive and treated better. While she notices this, she doesn’t actually really care that much bout what others think
That "sometimes" clip is one of the greatest things ever, haha
Gotta love Whitney‼😅
Nubia was definitely jealous, I say this every time I watch this episode 🤦🏾♂️😂
She was fuming ‼😅
NUBIA Holy shit I never picked up on that name as a kid. Wtf
Yup
@wrenkennedy what's wrong with Nubia? I understand it's a place name but I've met 4 Nubias in my life and it's never been an issue
@@sunnysidesouffle8348they’re all named after lotion brands which makes so much sense now
Personal experience. So when I was young, I was always a little chubby. Then I lost weight, (even though I still thought I was fat at the time), and what I noticed most was how family talked about me. Talked about how good I looked, and then...when I gained it back, and some more due to mental health issues...I remember talks of them saying how I looked like a certain, older family member who was fatter than me honestly. While I've been working on acknowledging that being fat is neither bad nor good, nor an indicator of morality or lack thereof, it still kinda stings. I don't get comments on how I look good, but then I hear them talk about my cousins and its just. I get it, alot of the older folk in my family are kinda stuck on a certain level of desirability politics/respectability politics mentality. It is what it is, though I do my best not to feed into that shit. Cause no kid, deserves feeling like they are only worth hypin up, or paying attention to if they look a certain way, or act a certain way.
I feel for you, I myself am big, but due to mental health, I gained a lot of weight from pills, and I noticed that when I was smaller, I got a lot more attention. Even from family. And when I gained weight, all that went out the window and I got looked down at and only maybe 3 people tell me I am beautiful how I am now.
They feed desirability to kids and adults to the point that if you aren't seen as desirable by more people, it makes you feel almost shunned. And tbh, it's part of why I HAVE issues in the first place, I still at 24 cannot see myself in any good light and want to cover up and say I won't attract anyone. No kid should have to tell themselves they will be alone because they don't look like a "pretty" person, smh.
Man I reaaally miss how Nubia’s voice actress voices her in the old show, she got this effortlessly cool and threatening sound to her, in Louder and Prouder she sounded so fake, like she’s trying to sound cool but failing at it
I kinda noticed that too. I know it's been 20 yrs but I could hear the vast difference
@@TonyTurner weirdly enough, she actually sounded younger in Louder Prouder, maybe its pitched
Tbh I always felt like the Gross sisters were good people deep down just hurt & put on a facade of being tough due to their upbringing
Me too. I wish they gave them their own back story episode to explore that
I feel like the Gross Sisters have tragic unspoken sides. Proud Family is sleeping on storylines where we just have one single episode focus on their home life. Or even break it apart where we isolate the sisters away from one another and we see what happens to their personalities or if they’re away from their connection for too long. We saw Olay. We never saw the others when cut off from resources.
I heard some later episodes or the new show tells us they are a family of immigrants from Haiti iirc? which now that could make an interesting story for them, they dont speak perhaps cus of their accents? and the financial issues a lot of immigrants go through due to policies in the US then the racist root problem of some of those policies ect ect
I haven't seen a LOT of Proud Family but I was always interested in these 3 probably due to Bebe's Kids showcasing how human characters like the Gross Sisters are and the pote tial for stories of those 3 alone.
What if they left Olay ashy to make her look good enough to please Nubia, but not TOO good, to where they felt like they had real competition?
Interesting take ‼👀
this is so true! from personal experience being a quiet shy girl. I don't wear much makeup just eyeliner and lipgloss. but I'll never forget when I went to prom and got my makeover with the lashes, long hair extension ect. i felt pretty quickly but noticed how everyone who never paid me attention wanted to be around me. including my ex boyfriend and my crush at the time. even after prom people told me how gorgeous i looked. i don't think im ugly but it was interesting how everytime I dressed up more than usual im suddenly not invisible.
This! At school I wouldn’t have on makeup or have my hair up and wore glasses. When it was prom; hair and nails done, makeup and a form fitting dress that showed off my figure people didn’t realise I had. 😂 The wide looks of shock from my classmates, especially males and all the compliments I received. Teenagers are shallow.
I love that you made this video I remember watching that episode with Olay and I always felt bad when she resorted back bc you can tell she felt more confident and wanted to be more her self. I really wish we got more episodes with Olay being her self and showing she is more than just intimidating and used for her size. I’m not saying I want her to be dressed the way she was to be more desirable but I do want to see her grow and not just seen as some ashy bully like what are her weaknesses and strong suits and I really want them to flesh out the gross sisters in the future
Me too‼ That would make for a great episode especially giving Olei and Gina a voice.
@@TonyTurner Yes I would love that I really hope the writers for the reboot give them more recognition and we hopefully get a story or at least something close to an arc between one or all the sisters to at least get people talking about it and in turn we can get more content on there backgrounds
While your analysis is good as always, I think something to acknowledge is that in shows like this, where characters have a set design, a makeover episode is almost always temporary cuz they wouldn't wanna permanently change Zoey's design. So we probably know from the start that she'll always end up going back to her normal design by the end. It's not like we expect her character design to be permanently different from this episode onwards.
As for Olay, I think it would have been an interesting twist if she KEPT the makeover permanently but she stays as a bully anyway. She could have stayed pretty and just remained bullying people.
The only character design change that became permanent from the era I remember was Libby keeping her Cleo braids in jimmy neutron
Tbh the only show I know to break this trope was jimmy neutron when Libby got her makeover done at the pyramid and she kept that hairstyle after that episode
@@assyjack1692to be fair they are 3D designs and not hand drawn. Changing clothes and keeping it that way is easier. Atleast that’s what animators say. Mabel from gravity falls changes her shirt every episode. Steven universe characters change every few seasons but Connie always had a different outfit or atleast a set few she cycled through.
Oh man, these sort of Makeover Montage episodes/moments were all over the place in the late 90s and early 00s LOL. I don't think they're always bad, sometimes they can be fun to do with your friends just to see what would happen if you try out different looks and such. Maybe this episode could work better if they had every girl in the group changed up their appearance but of course it's only Zoey.
As for why her appearance didn't remain changed, that's just standard for cartoons, very rarely will a character's design change and remain permanent. Same for why Nubia is the only one in the trio that talks. It doesn't need a backstory, it's just a Trope Thing.
As for Olay and Nubia, I never interpreted her reaction to her makeover as being jealous, I think she was just scared of losing her sister to another clique. And I also thought the friendship bracelet moment was really nice, I just wish it held over to the later episodes.
Oh! Side note, I like that they didn't straighten/relax Olay's hair or anything like that. This also happened in Clueless (a movie with another makeover montage). In a time where curly or textured hair was seen as undesirable or "messy", they didn't change Tai's hair, she was just shown how to care for it better so her curls would stand out and not be so dry and frizzy.
The Gross Sisters also named after skincare products (Olay, Nivea, and Neutrogena) hence the whole "why are they ashy" thing lmfao.
seeing a difference in the way that zoe & olei's makeovers are depicted is that while zoe is drawn the same, olei's design is given noticeable changes for the entire time she's in makeover mode. there's not just a difference in posture, her body is drawn smaller & apparently thinner. the shape of her head is less angular & she has a "cuter" face design style, with her original look even when she's smiling she looks different than she's depicted during the makeover. the sort of overbite she's usually drawn with isn't shown, you don't see her gumline, she doesn't even have her braces? it would be one thing if the way her makeover was shown still looked like her with only superficial changes in styling and presentation, like we get with zoe. but for olei it's basically like she's given a body double for the duration of her makeover, with features she couldn't possibly get through a different personal style or even if she just stands a certain way & smiles. there's no like "before/after" shot to make these changes super obvious, but it's like the episode is silently believing that there's certain traits, like the size & shape of olei's body, even her face, her braces, that can't look "good" no matter what. i wonder if one reason they keep the design of the gross sisters being blue even during olei's makeover is that if they changed that, i really think it could have seemed like this was literally just a completely different person stepping out lol, they otherwise change so much of her design, unlike for zoe (which is also interesting when in the one episode of reboot you've discussed that's supposedly about colorism, the show kind of expects us all to believe that if someone finds zoe as she usually looks to be more desirable than other girls, there must be something else going on to "explain" this.)
You also noticed after the make over with Olay her body stature and size got smaller as well? How does that work? Lol
Forgot to mention that ‼😅
Can't say I've never tried to help a sister out... 🤷♀️
Right Laci‼
Weird when people say looks don’t matter it’s what’s inside that counts yet people are treated and viewed differently based on how they look. Case in point: blondes vs brunettes, if you’re tan, etc more so with girls/women. But why would you want to be harassed? Flirting is one thing but harassment makes someone uncomfortable
Olei looked so gorgeous in this episode like I def would have had a crush on her as a kid ❤️ I also love how they kept her hair fairly natural (at least not changing the texture too much) I kinda wish the reboot would maybe bring this side of her character back.
To be honest I was always afraid of Olai as a kid. 🤣🤣🤣😂
😅😅😅😅
We all had an Olai in our lives.
Believe it or not, she's actually the softest one in the group. Probably because she's the youngest.
@@LaCienegaBoulevardez I love her softer side more
I would have really liked one of the Groos sisters(the one that got a makeover) to have really moved away from bullying and dod her own thing as well as be her own character like in that episode, there were also hints that she crushed on Penny which would have been fun to explore since only gay characters are shown in the proud family as far as I know. Why not have her move away from the gross sisters and have her own interests like being a singer and sometimes collaborating with her sisters as "The gross sisters" lol. maybe even date somebody(boy or girl, maybe she is Bi) would have been fun.
Edit- Ok her name is Ole now i know.
Great video bro!
This episode brings so many memories. I wish all the Gross sisters should've got makeovers. I do feel bad for Zoey and Olay because you can see DIFFERENT reactions they got. Zoey always get the short end of the stick. Every time.......and it shows friendships with rarity is a blessing. Olay got her makeover and she is beautiful and feminity. Her being plus size is beautiful. And the makeover showed her slimmed down. It's really an interesting topic of desirability. We all are BEAUTIFUL but people will have different opinions of beauty. It's very toxic and bullying behavior. Nubia saw the CONFIDENCE in Olay and that bothered her. She wanted to "help" her sister but when..........Olay SLAYED she just got salty. I tell you.....I got goosebumps watching this episode. True! Zoey needed the SAME thing that was done for Olay. This is very enlightening. Keep up the amazing work!!! 💖
Thank You ‼
@@TonyTurner Anytime bro!
If we didn't have to return to the status quo at the end, I think it would have been a more powerful message for Olae to decide to be more middle of the road. Deciding that she liked looking more feminine, and not wanting to be seen as just "the muscle of the Gross Sisters," while also deciding to tone her look down a bit. Ending with a look where she doesn't get as much attention, but still gets to show off her more feminine side. Maybe she even speaks for the first time, and tells Nubia that she likes herself like this, and that if Nubia really cares about her, she won't force an asthetic onto her that she doesn't want.. Ideally, it would end with Nubia accepting, and supporting her sister
We need more stories with a middle ground result.
TBH I can relate zoey & olay. I got sick & tried of the nerd lame goody two shoes look because I switched up I started to get tattoos , piercings & started dressing more morden. But now my family thinks im on drugs because I look crazy
Maybe Ole has a stutter when she talks and Gina could have select mutism (or maybe like Bebe, she is also on the spectrum).
Tony your video’s make sense. Other than !! The other CZcamsrs but I loved this Episode.
I hope you do a big Patty (from Hey Arnold)video.
First comment I hope your doing ok Tony … now back to the video
Thanks ‼ I'm doing good. Hope you are too 👌🏾
@@TonyTurner I’m holding on
I never saw that episode, but appears that the one sister only reverted back to her old look and ways because it made her sister happy and her sister made her feel guilty of enjoying it. The makeover started as a confidance booster to find other parts of herself, but the effects didn't last because of the sibling abuse she got from it and sometimes it's better to be less appealing to most people than deal with an increased amount of abuse from a sibling. Of course I could be wrong. I'm only guessing based on clips.
Sergio reminded me of JD from heathers and it’s funny because the storyline is similar to zoe’s
Good discussion
Thanks ‼
@@TonyTurner no problem
@@TonyTurnercan you the johnny lovely episode
Good review. Love your accent btw lol
Thank You ‼😅
Something else that is also very insidious in this episode is that the boys found Zoey more attractive now that she was dressed like the black girls. They hardly pay much attention to Penny and especially Dijonay when they are dressed like themselves. But for some guys, something about having blackness put on white woman/girls is seen as more beautiful than the authentic choice. The joke is more like, the only reason they perceive the black girls of the friend group as cuter than Zoey is because she looks like a dork. But as soon as she has makeup she’s apparently cuter than them. It’s taken a step furthers by even showing sticky swooning for her when she’s dressed just like Dijonay, the same girl he’s always dogging.
Am I buggin for is pennyn desired always in the show but I guess
@@bgcrp2005 Penny is desirable but she rarely has guys flocking to her like they were to Zoey in this episode
Pretty sure ashiness can not be changed with a makeover plus they probably didn't get rid of it because it would betray the most unique aspect of her character design visually.
Since Olei doesn't really talk within the series (savage animal growls) but still is very loyal and strong, could she be autistic?
I love the proud family
Please give us your thoughts on the new upcoming Michael Jackson biopic. What do you hope to see? What do you think about the cast and set photos so far?
That video is coming soon ‼
Hey Tony new to the channel and love the content. I wanted to ask do you believe aaliyah was really killed and not an accident?
Thank You....I definitely think there was some foul play involved in the "accident"
This episode makes me feel bad for them for being judged for their looks:(
🎶You can buy your hair if it won't grow🎶
🎶You can fix your nose if he says so🎶
🎶You can buy all the makeup that MAC can make🎶
Men nowadays like women differently. I'm glad Zoe stood up for herself for that one
You just be yapping lord 😩 even tho what you saying is real but damn
That's what a commentary video is 😅
So I am Jewish and I loose my hair from illness, my parents got me a wig but one's for kids only came in this super blonde color.... I'm a dark haired curly girl but my Dad's family immediately went nuts with the compliments because all of them are that same blonde until early adulthood and they are not Jewish, my parents divorced and he doesn't like Jews. At the same time I am told that I should wipe off cherry chapstick from him and it's not even makeup..... anyway I got into some trouble because I got free makeup from an Instagram friend and my Mom said don't be giving out the address ever unless I say so. I don't want fake lashes or anything I just wanted to like try her lipgloss but I know I was bad. I'm blind anyway so um I don't know what I looked like. Now just a little bit older and I am comfortable with myself like a thousand times more.
Hey tony
Hey‼
Something tells me Olay Gina they are death and they don't even speak so probably is the reason why the older sister Nubia she never owed no one explanation why her sisters Olei aunt Gina they have speaking issues so they are deaf and they cannot talk so this is my theory that is tingling right now 16:00
They tried to make Zoe exotic looking & Olay they tried to make her desirable and comfortable about herself so they treated Zoe more different than Olei 9:54
Are you a Aaliyah fan? I love her songs as well, the original proud family is much better.
Yes I have a whole Aaliyah Playlist on my channel
@@TonyTurner ok I check it out, these classic proud family episodes are awesome as you got older plus I love the message.
I'm sorry but pretty much no one does plastic surgery for themselves. They feel better about getting it because they conform to societal standards.
Another term for the none pretty one in a group used as buffer is the duff disgented ugly fat friend and not all of the duff are fat or ugly they are just less pretty than people in the friend group