Great interview guys. Kristin was already my favorite pro, regardless of division, and this interview only solidified her more. She’s humble, patient, articulate, and dropped some great wisdom.
10:50 Mathematically, when you form fit data to a curve, which is functionally what the rating system is doing, the highest number sets the upper bound of the curve...just like the lowest sets the lower bound...So without a 1000 rated player in the field, women's ratings are being depressed because the upper bound is limited. There is only so high even a -18 round could be rated for a women's field compared to a -18 in a men's field even on the same exact course layout even if you could 100% control for weather and do a perfect apples to apples comparison, assuming you didn't calculate the ratings of all the people together, and separated the ratings by MPO and FPO. If you did that and calculated all the ratings together, the men's ratings would probably come down and the women's would go up, and everyone would have more accurate ratings. That's why women's ratings are lower generally even though yes there is a skill gap, and why players in country xyz have even lower ratings compared to other women who play against more international competition. If you dropped a 1040 rated player into the women's field, every single person would get a higher rating simply because there is a higher upper bound.
Yeah half of the men's field have jump putts that are totally broken. I can picture several Paige highlights that are specifically notable because she's off the ground. I don't get it.
the jump putt rule is stupid as long as the disc is out of ur hand before ur feet hit the ground it should be fine so don't let these people change ur game Kristin
Exactly! It should be as it is in basketball. -- But as Charlie said: she is (so) open and honest that does not want to win in unfair way. In her place, I would let it be for two last tournaments and after that made a change. But, as she says, it is about me and my responsibility towards myself. - Congratulation for that interview and thank you, Kristin for who and what you are.
The physics don't even make sense, like...why would you jump at all if the disc has to be out of your hand before you leave the ground. No one who jump putts does this...
@@kieronmckay4276 There is no HAVE to. It is a rule made by people, who for some reasons found it reasonable to throw a disc this way as the only way which is justified. That was the case in basketball as well - till jump-shot was invented. - Rules, which were made for early stages of this sport, have served its time. Besides that, there is no "water-proof way" to police the current (jump-shot) rule.
@@margusmagi6703 I mean the spirit of this rule is so there isn't a person sprinting, jumping and slam dunking the basket. Her jump putt doesn't violate the spirit of that in any way... but if you want to be a purist about it, literally try to jump and release the disc before you leave the ground...like it's impossible because you're not jumping and you could never jump and be legal. You can call that semantics or whatever, but literally a legal jump putt can't exist because you'd just be on your toes and would never leave the ground, or in the air with the disc in your hand. So anyone who jumps and doesn't step putt is breaking the rules, and half the field in every division would be in violation. So without better clarification on what is legal or illegal, just keep doing what you're doing cause no one is going to call you on it, and the internet rabble means nothing.
@@kieronmckay4276 OK. You have a point to make. However, there are / should be reasons, why that kind of "illegal" jump-puts are allowed. And as it turns out, KT is too honest person, not to correct her way to do that, if it does not follow the rule (fair game). -- What about a) other players and b) DGPT / PDGA?
KT is an inspiration and I look forward to her memoir someday. I’d love to see a sit down podcast with KT PP JK VJ and DR some time. Just the 5 greatest chatting about their experiences over tea or something.
I think you solve the jump/step putt problem by having the disc have to leave the hand before your landing/lead foot hits the ground. Gets rid of the gray area, and a lot easier to see when the foot hits the ground vs when it leaves the ground.
@@samanthony8121 I think if your foot hits the ground before you release the putter it’s kind of a penalty in itself. I know for me it would throw off my timing/balance tremendously.
To Charlie E -- You should address "jump-shot issue / problem" to DGPT and PDGA. It is not KT "illegal activity" and she should not be made as scapegoat in terms she herself will change her shot-making but others (FPO and MPO) continue as if nothing had happened. The least what can be said - it is not a fair play at all. It is remarkable, that it became an issue (in "social-media") with KT - the best player, who is NOT from USA! No wonder, she wanted back home as soon as possible. However, DGPT and PDGA are in big trouble if they will make a public stance: a) they will give an approval for that kind of "illegal activity" (it is the case de facto anyway) b) they will admit de facto, that they are unable to ensure compliance with the rule. -- What happened in that regard to and with KT is not her personal question! It shows how UNprofessional all that DG-thing is.
I think she could make top 30 in mpo maybe even better,but the fpo division is getting better & better every year so she ain't going to be at the top that long, Mann I love our sport(D-Golf)!!!🐢✝️🥏
Ppl can't find anything else to do their time. Really ppl jump putting issue against KT. Where in the PDGA rule says the disc have to leave the player's hand before the imaginary circle. Y'all haters needs to get over it and a life a$$holes. With love to 1KT from USA!
The Buhr spit outs were brutal. I'm not a Gannon fan, but I wouldn't change a thing if I were him. This was, yes on some level a consequence of his putting speed, but for real....incredibly bad luck. It was a good deal worse than the average spit outs you would expect for Gannon's putting speed. It might not ever be that bad again. Don't change a thing, but do accept that there will be some spit outs. If he changes he'll probably miss more. Better to be aggressive and accurate (and take a couple spit outs) than to baby putts and be tentative. He killed in in putting stats last year. Like a record year from circle 2.
It's not hard to see in the moment when you illegally jump putt. That's why people notice it and take screen shots. Why people notice you more than others? It's because you're more egregious. It's good that she'll work to change it.
Congrats to Kristin, but ratings are the number 1 thing holding back disc golf from mainstream success. Imagine inviting out some buddies to play who want to play a game, and your handicap system for fair competition is the PDGA ratings system! Lol. Worst idea ever conceived by any sport, especially considering golf figured out a handicap system that works amazingly for amateur competition.
You're wrong. I run a handicapped league based on PDGA ratings and it works quite well. "Worst idea ever conceived by any sport", a bit of hyperbole ya think?!
@paulfritsch672 If I take out a new player in golf, track a round or two, and know their handicap, we can play competitively the next round by me giving them the appropriate amount of strokes. If that friend beats me, they would likely have way more fun, and likely will want to play more. As it is, you cant play any games with people who are even remotely close and have any parody at all. The better player will always win. Whoever came up with the rating system is only interested in making money and forcing people to pay to play. It's garbage, and anyone who doesn't see that is just nose blind at this point.
Her smirk when contract discussions come up 😅 she deserves a huuuge contract
Kristin Tattar is so refreshing. She has to be the most honest interview in disc golf
Her and Simon
Yeah no doubt, she Is quite a special role model
The KT interview isn’t even over yet and I’m so thrilled that she is representing disc golf with such class.
Kristen addressing the jump putt comments and her explanations all around are what makes her the 🐐
Her mental game is so strong. That comes through in the interview. "I don't feel more pressure; it just feels more fun..."
Great interview guys. Kristin was already my favorite pro, regardless of division, and this interview only solidified her more. She’s humble, patient, articulate, and dropped some great wisdom.
Kristin is a beautiful soul.
10:50 Mathematically, when you form fit data to a curve, which is functionally what the rating system is doing, the highest number sets the upper bound of the curve...just like the lowest sets the lower bound...So without a 1000 rated player in the field, women's ratings are being depressed because the upper bound is limited. There is only so high even a -18 round could be rated for a women's field compared to a -18 in a men's field even on the same exact course layout even if you could 100% control for weather and do a perfect apples to apples comparison, assuming you didn't calculate the ratings of all the people together, and separated the ratings by MPO and FPO. If you did that and calculated all the ratings together, the men's ratings would probably come down and the women's would go up, and everyone would have more accurate ratings. That's why women's ratings are lower generally even though yes there is a skill gap, and why players in country xyz have even lower ratings compared to other women who play against more international competition. If you dropped a 1040 rated player into the women's field, every single person would get a higher rating simply because there is a higher upper bound.
Our humble queen KT 👑
People calling her out on jump-putts feels crazy with how many others do it waaay worse
They always come for you when you're at the top. Even when it's someone as kind as Kristin.
Yeah half of the men's field have jump putts that are totally broken. I can picture several Paige highlights that are specifically notable because she's off the ground. I don't get it.
Such a classy lady
the jump putt rule is stupid as long as the disc is out of ur hand before ur feet hit the ground it should be fine so don't let these people change ur game Kristin
Exactly! It should be as it is in basketball. -- But as Charlie said: she is (so) open and honest that does not want to win in unfair way. In her place, I would let it be for two last tournaments and after that made a change. But, as she says, it is about me and my responsibility towards myself. - Congratulation for that interview and thank you, Kristin for who and what you are.
The physics don't even make sense, like...why would you jump at all if the disc has to be out of your hand before you leave the ground. No one who jump putts does this...
@@kieronmckay4276 There is no HAVE to. It is a rule made by people, who for some reasons found it reasonable to throw a disc this way as the only way which is justified. That was the case in basketball as well - till jump-shot was invented. - Rules, which were made for early stages of this sport, have served its time. Besides that, there is no "water-proof way" to police the current (jump-shot) rule.
@@margusmagi6703 I mean the spirit of this rule is so there isn't a person sprinting, jumping and slam dunking the basket. Her jump putt doesn't violate the spirit of that in any way... but if you want to be a purist about it, literally try to jump and release the disc before you leave the ground...like it's impossible because you're not jumping and you could never jump and be legal. You can call that semantics or whatever, but literally a legal jump putt can't exist because you'd just be on your toes and would never leave the ground, or in the air with the disc in your hand. So anyone who jumps and doesn't step putt is breaking the rules, and half the field in every division would be in violation. So without better clarification on what is legal or illegal, just keep doing what you're doing cause no one is going to call you on it, and the internet rabble means nothing.
@@kieronmckay4276 OK. You have a point to make. However, there are / should be reasons, why that kind of "illegal" jump-puts are allowed. And as it turns out, KT is too honest person, not to correct her way to do that, if it does not follow the rule (fair game). -- What about a) other players and b) DGPT / PDGA?
KT is an inspiration and I look forward to her memoir someday. I’d love to see a sit down podcast with KT PP JK VJ and DR some time. Just the 5 greatest chatting about their experiences over tea or something.
Imagine being this articulate in a 2nd(3rd who knows) language as an athlete
KT the real GOAT. She’s the absolute best ❤
I think you solve the jump/step putt problem by having the disc have to leave the hand before your landing/lead foot hits the ground. Gets rid of the gray area, and a lot easier to see when the foot hits the ground vs when it leaves the ground.
That would help jump putts but would make no difference with step putts. Step putters already push that line currently.
@@samanthony8121 I think if your foot hits the ground before you release the putter it’s kind of a penalty in itself. I know for me it would throw off my timing/balance tremendously.
To Charlie E -- You should address "jump-shot issue / problem" to DGPT and PDGA. It is not KT "illegal activity" and she should not be made as scapegoat in terms she herself will change her shot-making but others (FPO and MPO) continue as if nothing had happened. The least what can be said - it is not a fair play at all. It is remarkable, that it became an issue (in "social-media") with KT - the best player, who is NOT from USA! No wonder, she wanted back home as soon as possible.
However, DGPT and PDGA are in big trouble if they will make a public stance: a) they will give an approval for that kind of "illegal activity" (it is the case de facto anyway) b) they will admit de facto, that they are unable to ensure compliance with the rule. -- What happened in that regard to and with KT is not her personal question! It shows how UNprofessional all that DG-thing is.
I think she could make top 30 in mpo maybe even better,but the fpo division is getting better & better every year so she ain't going to be at the top that long, Mann I love our sport(D-Golf)!!!🐢✝️🥏
Congrats 1KT! Hoping it will last longer than a month.
2025 US Women's is being played on well-established courses that have been on coverage previously and have been part of the DGPT twice.
Ppl can't find anything else to do their time. Really ppl jump putting issue against KT. Where in the PDGA rule says the disc have to leave the player's hand before the imaginary circle. Y'all haters needs to get over it and a life a$$holes. With love to 1KT from USA!
The Buhr spit outs were brutal. I'm not a Gannon fan, but I wouldn't change a thing if I were him. This was, yes on some level a consequence of his putting speed, but for real....incredibly bad luck. It was a good deal worse than the average spit outs you would expect for Gannon's putting speed. It might not ever be that bad again. Don't change a thing, but do accept that there will be some spit outs. If he changes he'll probably miss more. Better to be aggressive and accurate (and take a couple spit outs) than to baby putts and be tentative. He killed in in putting stats last year. Like a record year from circle 2.
It’s pronounced Tattar😂Congrats KT!
Pronounced correctly at least in ending the interview. Most in US doesnt,
Who’s Hannah from Virginia?
Paul McBeth's wife
Charlie acting like he didn’t time this interview intentionally is hilarious.
There should be only one circle at 50 ft or 15 meters.
It's not hard to see in the moment when you illegally jump putt. That's why people notice it and take screen shots. Why people notice you more than others? It's because you're more egregious.
It's good that she'll work to change it.
Congrats to Kristin, but ratings are the number 1 thing holding back disc golf from mainstream success. Imagine inviting out some buddies to play who want to play a game, and your handicap system for fair competition is the PDGA ratings system! Lol. Worst idea ever conceived by any sport, especially considering golf figured out a handicap system that works amazingly for amateur competition.
You're wrong. I run a handicapped league based on PDGA ratings and it works quite well.
"Worst idea ever conceived by any sport", a bit of hyperbole ya think?!
@jeffhemmerling6088 How many strokes does a 790 rated player get on a 980 rated player for 18 holes then? See how that doesn't work, at all!
Ratings are not holding back disc golf. Lol. Its the fact that there are many other sports with better foundations
@paulfritsch672 If I take out a new player in golf, track a round or two, and know their handicap, we can play competitively the next round by me giving them the appropriate amount of strokes. If that friend beats me, they would likely have way more fun, and likely will want to play more. As it is, you cant play any games with people who are even remotely close and have any parody at all. The better player will always win. Whoever came up with the rating system is only interested in making money and forcing people to pay to play. It's garbage, and anyone who doesn't see that is just nose blind at this point.