What's Really Making Us Fat? Carbs? Sugar? (Joe Rogan Response) ft. Stephan Guyenet
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- In this video I'm speaking with Dr. Stephan Guyenet about the science behind what is driving fat gain. We also cover the "is a calorie a calorie" question, address the role of sugar/carbs in obesity and diabetes and the role of the brain in regulating all of this.
This interview was recorded just after the debate on the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast (JRE) between Gary Taubes and Stephan Guyenet, which you can listen to here: • Video
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro and topics summary
1:44 - Joe Rogan's podcast has a negative bias toward carbs
3:54 - Cliffs notes summary of Gary Taubes and Stephan's positions
7:25 - Is Gary's or Stephan's model the "mainstream" scientific model of weight gain?
12:20 - Is the calories in/calories out (CICO) model of weight gain correct?
17:02 - Is tracking calories or "eating less and moving more" the best way to implement weight loss?
23:22 - What does the science say about calories in/calories out?
28:54 - "Is a calorie a calorie?" discussion
38:22 - Why do some people gain fat more easily than others?
45:27 - Is there anything "different" about the brains of obese people?
47:06 - What is the role of sugar in driving fat gain, obesity and diabetes?
58:53 - Is sugar addictive?
1:03:39 - What are the practical takeaways for avoiding obesity or losing weight?
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SOURCES:
Stephan's Website:
www.stephanguyenet.com/
Stephan's debate reference list (everything we discuss can be found in here)
www.stephanguyenet.com/referen...
Stephan's Diet Book Reviews:
www.redpenreviews.org/
The DIETFITS Study:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama...
The Hall Meta-Analysis (Calorie A Calorie Study):
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
My video on sugar 1: • Is Sugar Making You Fa...
My response to criticisms on sugar (vid 2): • Was I Wrong About Suga...
Outro Music:
‣ Ryan Little: • Ryan Little - Sometime...
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About me: I'm a Canadian natural pro bodybuilder and internationally-qualified powerlifter with a BSc in biochemistry/chemistry and a passion for science. I've been training for 12 years drug-free. I'm 5'5 and fluctuate between 160 lbs (lean) and 180 lbs (bulked).
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Disclaimers: Jeff Nippard is not a doctor or a medical professional. Always consult a physician before starting any exercise program. Use of this information is strictly at your own risk. Jeff Nippard will not assume any liability for direct or indirect losses or damages that may result from the use of information contained in this video including but not limited to economic loss, injury, illness or death. - Zábava
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Timestamps below guys! Enjoy!
0:00 - Intro and topics summary
1:44 - Joe Rogan's podcast has a negative bias toward carbs
3:54 - Cliffs notes summary of Gary Taubes and Stephan's positions
7:25 - Is Gary's or Stephan's model the "mainstream" scientific model of weight gain?
12:20 - Is the calories in/calories out (CICO) model of weight gain correct?
17:02 - Is tracking calories or "eating less and moving more" the best way to implement weight loss?
23:22 - What does the science say about calories in/calories out?
28:54 - "Is a calorie a calorie?" discussion
38:22 - Why do some people gain fat more easily than others?
45:27 - Is there anything "different" about the brains of obese people?
47:06 - What is the role of sugar in driving fat gain, obesity and diabetes?
58:53 - Is sugar addictive?
1:03:39 - What are the practical takeaways for avoiding obesity or losing weight?
Most Viewers would get lost without this comment !!
Thanks Jeff, you're the real MVP!! 💪
Thanks for time stamps! I’m prob gonna listen this whole hour haha.
Thanks for Your Time May the God's bless you...
Thank you Jeff. Keep up the good work 🔥
Jeff is the type of guy to actually help you get fit
Weird, huh?
I got *jacked* watching Twin Muscle Workout, got ripped watching Athlean X, and I've been learning a lot and keeping in peak condition watching Jeff Nippard.
And I learned about the *MINDSET* from an insanely good friend named *STICKY RICKY*
Yea n he is fit himself too a lot of PTs aren't 💕 really admire him and his work
@@7rueop1n1on5 two of those are names Jeff so the Jeff's work.
I love the time stamps. Thank you
I love you too
It’s incredibly refreshing to find someone who actually gets into conversations and discusses the academic research revolves around diet, fitness, health, etc. instead of all of these ten min videos put on by PT gym bros who take a study or two just to support their narrative.
This is why Jeff gets my sub & support and I skip right past the "Bro dudes" (ferda)
The time-stamp are gold, this make the video more accessible on time to time, thanks a lot for the effort!
The takeaways is nice:
1. don't beat yourself up, it's evolution
2. control your food environment, dophamine-related, don't put tempting food easily visible
3. eat simple whole food diet, like ancestors, less calorie-dennse
4. increase your protein intake
5. get regular physical activity
6. consider reduce your carb intake or fat intake, whichever works for you
“The people who lost weight, I don’t know, maybe they got cancer.”
That escalated quickly!
I thought the same thing 😂
I cannot physically over eat on meat and greens, whereas on high carbs my appetite goes crazy. I can easily eat 6000 to 8000cal on high carbs but 3000 is a struggle with red meat and salad.
If your carbs sources contain a lot of fiber then it shouldn't be a problem
bruh just say carb tastes great, meat tastes great, i can eat them without barfing.
I hope you're saying hypotheticals, you're either very obese or a huge bodybuilder
@@badasstrapbass2313 When I played college football I weighed 260-270 and was always encouraged to eat more.. when I was done playing and had to work for a living I gained a ton of weight due to lack of activity and not adjusting my diet so ya I was very obese at one point.. I'm 6'3 and weight about 250 with a 34 waist so not really obese anymore and do lift weights but certainly not a bodybuilder.
This is true. When I stress, I default to binge eat carbs cause it is comfort food
Great work with this interview, I’m glad that there are still CZcamsrs who actually care about the quality of their content. You doing such a great job at communicating mass amounts of info. I’m learning so much through this channel. Thank you 🙏🏿
I LOVE these long style chill videos, keep them coming Jeff!
Once in a while I think it's cool, definitely.
This was a great conversation. For someone who doesn't know where to start with how to regulate their eating, I found the last ~15 minutes or so especially helpful. I appreciate Dr. Guyenet's sober and unsensational approach. His eating recommendations were helpful too. Keep it simple, whole, and not so easy to snack on. Keep unhealthy food away from you at work and home.
I also enjoyed seeing how excited Jeff got just remembering to mention how much he enjoyed Dr. Guyenet's list of detailed references with summaries on his website. Doesn't get much nerdier than that ;P
Thanks for taking the time to do this Jeff!
Thanks for the time stamps. To be honest I rather like when you do all the talk on your own because you are very precise and on point.
LIKED the vid: Excellent interview. I always enjoy these "deep dives" into different areas of fitness from those who have studied and actually know what they are talking about . Good questions Jeff, I really enjoy these. NO DOUBT!
Jeff, you are such a blessing. I appreciate you and what you have done on this one. Rawsome.... A must watch!
I really love that you pinpoint every topic out in the comment section! Definitely should do more of these kind of discussions!
Great informative video! I'm a newer subscriber and wasn't expecting to watch this whole video, but I love how prepared you are and how you want to provide your audience (and those with some knowledge already) with even more information on this topic. Thanks Jeff!
Love it! Thank you for the time stamps!
I keep looking at Stephan and wondering why is he wearing a sombrero???
😆
😂🤣😂 now I’m not going to be able to unsee that
You have some of the most impressive and knowledgeable interviews. Please keep up the great work!!! Definitely supporting you.
Been waiting on a conversation like this for like 2 years now. Well done.
Thanks for the interview, as a person on a keto diet it's interesting to hear ideas challenging the notion that it is the best option for fat loss. However it would have been interesting to hear your take on inflammation reduction and how keto compares to other diets in that regard. :)
I really appreciate the science behind this videos Jeff. As a chemistry teacher, I usually find myself short of an answer when it comes to the role our brains play in fat gain or fat loss. We almost never see the big picture, and only blaim it on sugar, or carbs or fats. Good job btw!
Thank you for this interview with Dr. Stephan Guyenet! I just got his book yesterday. What a coincidence! What he's saying it's exactly what I preach. We need more people like him...
love these interviews, SO MUCH GOOD INFO IN THEM thanks for this bro!
Great interview and some great science based info... well done gents 👏🏼👍🏼💪🏼
Bless you Jeff. I love how youre trying to articulate everything carefully so there's no misunderstanding hahaha love this podcast. You da real MVP
Another great one! Thanks Jeff! This video was so informative and fascinating and I just absolutely loved it!
Love this, thanks so much for the time stamps it makes the video a whole lot more accessible
one of the few fitness youtubers that we can actually learn valuable info from..
Jeff! I wish you had asked him how the neuroscience behind reverse dieting works!!!
Great video though! Keep doing this!
This is one of the best videos you have posted. Great content, great questions. Thank you!
I learn so much from your videos! You're one of my favourite channels to watch for sure
I actually read Stephan Guyenet's book twice and that book has helped me lose 80 pounds. I actually made a video talking about the last chapter of his book where he outlines the steps you need to take for a slimming lifestyle called "5 science based steps that helped me lose over 80 pounds." So thank you Jeff for bringing him on, it was nice to see Stephan in video form.
Almost 8 minutes in and I really hope this reaches more and more people! Great job Jeff getting him for this!
I absolutely loved it, Thanks Jeff for the amazing opportunity to learn all this in one sitting :'D
THIS.IS.CONTENT. Thank you (for the timestamps, too)
For all Keto fans: Stephan Guyenet was also on Ketogeek podcast, so many specifics are answered there.
This was such a joy, thank you guys so much for this awesome chat!
When I saw this was an hour I was like "oh, I'll listen to the start and then check it out tomorrow"...now it's 12am and I'm wide awake. Super interesting video really enjoyed it!!!
Very insightful. Thank you two for taking your time.
I feel like Jeff is doing us all a favor by asking the question us gym goers would want to here but in such a formal way 😅 thanks Jeff
jeff is so cute when he's interviewing people. his smile when he's summarizes guyenet's position on overeating is tooooo adorable. yuo can tell he wants to have this discussion
He's got a gf, but thanks for sharing.
@@makegainz4218 i know i didn't mean it in a bad way. if a girl interviewed the same way id say that about her too also i love his gf :p
@@fityams3885 Nah, dudes comment the same thing and they are considered thirsty. There will no longer be a double standard.
I love that every one of your videos I learn something I can apply to my own training!
Wow. This was awesome. My brain really enjoys categorization and fundamentals. Stephan's off-handed comment/description around 22:30 about the different approaches to dieting was just like "oh... ok, I completely get the whole concept behind this stuff at a more fundamental level".
Jeff you should definitely do more of these !
One malfunctioning hormone-producing organ will blow all this theory out of the water.
I was consuming 1700 calories, on a "healthy" low fat low sodium higher carb standard american diet. I started eating low carb/keto and immediately increased my caloric intake to 1900, then increased by 200 calories every two months over a year.
By the end of my 12 monyh body transformation, I had gone from 27% to 9% body fat. I had lost 60lbs of body fat and gained muscle. I had gone from 207lbs to 155lbs. And I was eating 3400 calories by that point.
Now, two and a half years later, I maintain at 3000 calories. With some days higher.
So after two and a half years on a ketogenic diet, I am still 50lbs lighter, still averaging 10-11% body fat abd eating nearly twice the calories I was on a high carb diet at 27% body fat and I was getting fatter.
So how could I double my caloric intake over a year on keto, and loose body fat, loose weight? Now if I do nothing at 2800 calories I loose weight on keto where before I ate 1700 on carbs and was getting fatter.
The hypothesis is not that a calorie is not a calorie or that calories do not matter, but rather that HORMONES and insulin matter more when it comes to whether a body is storing fat or burning fat.
Because your body is switching from burning carbohydrates as a fuel source to fat and protein. Ketosis is a metabolic process your body undergoes when it’s main fuel source has run dry, and it’s forced to switch to a different energy burning mode. Hence why you are burning so much fat while eating more calories... because you are starving your body if it’s main field source (carbs). Ketosis is great for melting weight off, helping type 2 diabetes, etc., but it does have its down sides as well, since you are depleting your body of carbohydrates. You pick and choose your battles with this diet.
@@brookemoore8369 The human body does not need carbohydrates. If your body could choose which source of energy to burn it will always choose ketones over carbohydrates/sugar. Our ancestors never ate carbohydrates/sugar, most of which is highly processed today. Carbohydrates and sugar are the number one cause of most metabolic diseases and obesity on this planet.
Charles I agree that the body should run off of ketones the majority of the time, but carbs have their place…. Hence why many athletes prefer higher carb diets, because the glycogen that’s stored in the muscles helps them to perform better during events. Personally, I believe that extremely low carb diets should implemented the majority of the time unless a particular person plans on being very active that day and the carbs choice needs to be more complex carbs coming from vegetables and occasionally fruits. I’m not so sure about grains at this point…. I agree with you though, ketones are better fuel for the body the majority of the time.
I saw some videos this week going down on carbs saying we should keto or fast to lose body fat and got really confused. This one saved me, thanks a lot man!
This post is fire !!!! Great conversation
Jeff Get Jason fung in. that will be really interesting to hear u guys question each other hahah
hmm or hoping jason fung will get on joe podcast, that would be real entertainment 😂
Always listen to the guy with a dragon chair.
Listening to this while doing homework as if it were a podcast. Great stuff
Thanks Jeff, love your content, and also your rational approach to bodybuilding knowledge, and how clearly you talk.
Damn I struggled to pay attention in class for 10 min but just watched an entire hour about calories and sugar and the human brain
Hardcore agree with both of these comments. School feels invasive to my time but the second someone discusses nutrition or exercise you couldn’t distract me with a sledge hammer.
Same!! I was playing Candy Crush and listened to the entire thing in one go.
Great video. Very informative. What is the best way to increase protein intake? Eating chicken or beef or maybe shakes? Also, a little off topic...what video chat program did you use?
You answered your question in your question. Before implementing shakes you want to increase your consumption of protein from meat sources and even nuts.
Yo Jeff this is by far my favorite video from you. Im such a nerd haha but wow, this was a gold mind of information. Thanks for conducting this interview.
This was eye opening for me in many ways and has cleared up a few misconceptions I had. Thankyou.
Great summary of what we know about calories and overall great video. However, this has been gone over so many times and both "sides" agree on the topics covered in the video. The video is a little redundant and I feel like we need to move forward with this conversation. These are all things we know, and the real argument is about what is optimal with regards to long term health, sustainability, and practicality; not just body weight. Obviously, the answer will most likely just be more of how it depends on the individual.
Again, it was a great video, and I don't want to sound like I think it's useless or anything. It is really nice to see that everyone agrees on the fundamentals. I guess I was just really hoping on getting more info and learning something. Although it doesn't ever hurt to have a detailed recap on what is known.
Jeff is one of the Most informative Body Building instructor/Trainer and I can't say I found someone else who have Better Looking CZcams Channel !!
LORD Hoçine he sure put in the work to make it look clean and go in depth.
Really love these in-depth interviews Jeff👍👍
Listening to the whole thing while working out. This is great.
New drinking game: A shot every time Stephan says "Gary."
“body fatness”
I still continue to be "a calorie is a calorie" skeptic because I participated in a research study where I ate only food given to me during the study, and they changed macros, as well as sugar and fiber, and kept the calories the exact same. They weighed every 2 weeks because they wanted us to stay weight stable. I lost 4 pounds of fat and gained 2 pounds lean body mass on the first half and gained 4 pounds of fat on the second half, so eating the same calories, keeping activity mostly the same, but actually more active in second half, so it's at least something of what you eat and not just calories that matters. I may not be average, but you need to be aware of what works for you.
CICO def works for pure weightloss; but that doesnt mean macros arent important IMO
Well, Jeff only swears by caloric surplus and deficit, seems like he doesnt know that fasting and keto diet (that essentielly mimics fasting and making you enter in ketegenesis phase switching from getting glycogene from carbs to from all energie by glyconeogenesis) that actually INCREASES your base metabolism, aswell as increasing gh production etc.
I think they addressed exactly what you’re saying. That there’s lots of value in CICO but your also have to take into account how each individual will process certain macro nutrients. At the end of the day it shouldn’t be a one size fits all approach, it should be customized to fit what works best for each individual. The only way to know is through trial and error. BTW, as a physique and macro coach I’ve found that the different body types (endo,ectomorph and meso) can help you determine where a person might do better with different macro splits/keto etc. Doesn’t always hold true but I’ve personally found it to be a good starting point. Love reading all your comments. Stay healthy and well. 💕💪🏽
@@Barnes247 Agreed! Can you give some examples of what you've found to work most often, for each body type?
None of Many Sure. So these are the macronutrient splits I tend to start with given the different body types I come across. Depending on the calories I will adjust the different macros up or down.
Ectomorph:
-Carbs 50%
-Protein 30%
-Fat 20%
Endomorph:
20c/50p/30f
Or Keto
Mesomorph:
40c/40p/20f
Hope this is what you were asking for and what you meant. ☺️
I'm in school for kinesiology and I LOVE your channel! :)
Interesting discussion while cooking. I think Jeff's long video will be part of my cooking routines for a while. Merci Jeff!
I think energy balance is the main factor. But there are better calories and worse calories. I'm not convinced that a person who ate 2000 calories of lean meat and greens would lose weight at the same rate as someone who ate 2000 calories of donuts and cola (all else being equal). They certainly wouldn't have the same body composition or health.
Hey Jeff , I think it would be interesting if you were able to look into explosiveness and rate of force development for us athlete viewers and how strength training could aid in this and how an athlete should approach weight training and the use of bands. Thanks man ! Greetings from Saudi Arabia !
Great video post.thanks for doing this.
Thanks for doing this Jeff! Lots of good information!
Hey Jeff...I am new to your channel...95% of most things health and exercise are new to me. I didn't want to go down the route of diets and tracking macros and calories and stuff like that. I have been learning to exercise effectively and I am finding information about how to include the nutrition element to this new lifestyle. I don't want to become obsessed with this thing, specially the eating side of it. I just want to die when it is for me to die in the most responsible way possible. This interview was great for me to listen to in that regard. Informative, unbiased as much as possible, and practical. So...just wanted to say a quick thank you. I proactively avoid commenting, was looking to leave you a private message but don't really know how to do that so...anyway. Thank you thank you thank you.
Tatiana Litzow Well, Stephan Guyenet is the best source for this purpose.
"I just want to die when it is [time] for me to die in the most responsible way possible."
At what age are you planning to die?
Great info! Jeff actually cares about having a well-informed audience :D
Fantastic interview, highly scientific and useful! Thanks a lot, guys!
Great interview, would have liked to ask him about how the neurological side of alcohol consumption is tied in to sugar/carb calorie consumption while alcohol is in your system as well as alcohol as an addiction, especially from the neurological perspective. We all understand the basics but a deeper dive would be great.
I watched this while eating a tub of ice cream
Fact: You simply can't gain fat when eating while watching a video on nutrition.
Respect friend respect😁
Halo Top is good shit. Only 300 calories
currently on my 3rd bowl of milk&cheerios
Good timing. Just finished watching Joe's podcast. I think right now on CZcams, it is predominately argued that low carbohydrate diets are favourable to high carbohydrate diets (E.g. 'What I've Learned' channel). Even within the nutrition field, or at conferences, I hear about it all the time. I'd say that Gary's take isn't necessarily fringe; low carbohydrate diets and the associated science are becoming an amalgam of truths and half truths, in addition to outright false equivocation.
Idk a lot of the science guys Shawn Baker has on his podcast just seem to think you only need a little bit of carbs and especially if your body actually utilizes them correctly. I have some extra chub I probably don't need carbs until I run out of fat as a fuel. And even then the data for what fuel works best (carbs or fats) seems iffy. I think if it works for you keep it up and make results.
Don't forgot about Mark Haub... his experiment on calories in/calories out often gets overlooked.
@@BGRecon i think both fuels have their pros and cons. Being on keto, i have more endurance energy but when I need that explosiveness for heavy sets, carbs on a standard diet easily takes the cake.
Hi there Akuma; when I google on "Mark Haub", I see he did a study in 2010; that was funded by Coca-Cola; this was only discovered in 2016; www.dietdoctor.com/big-sodas-strategy-make-us-believe-calories ...... was this the study you meant please?
@@TacticalDimples There's some interesting anecdotal evidence ( via Peter Attia) that extreme bouts of exercise allow you to consume a much higher amount of carbohydrate without dropping out of ketosis.
I would say that Jeff is one of the most interesting fitness youtubers out there, I’ve watched alot of bullshit on fitness youtube and I am extremely picky about what content I like to see. Jeff makes you learn about bodybuilding more than anyone else and he is a huge inspiration to me. Love from Norway
Great video. Much appreciated, Jeff. 👍🏼
I like- no love your videos. But bro an hour!?!? Lmao. Gotta get some popcorn. Wait that gonna make me fat?? Lol. Great content Jeff. Keep it up.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Only if it’s above your daily caloric goal. 😏
You can have all the popcorn you want as long as you don't eat it.
Can you make a video or point me in the direction of how to count macros and how to decide how many fat, carbs, protein is needed depending on goals
The app My Fitness Pal was really helpful for me. Its free and u just type in how much you weigh vs. How much u wanna weigh and it tells u how many calories u need.now of course this just an estimate not an exact number but it's a great place to start. As far as Macros go, what's worked best for me is to start with 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight. For fat start with around 1 gram of fat per kilo of bodyweight(ur weight on kilos is just ur weight in pounds divided by 2.205) then the remaining of percentage of calories will go to carbs. This is a great place to start from there just weigh urself weekly if u want to lose weight and ur not loosing any weight than go dow 200 to 300 calories. Subtract those calories either from ur fat or ur carbs whichever is best for u(personally I love my carbs) but keep ur protein the same.
@@gdambidextrous7721 MyFitnessPal is great. If you have a Fitbit, or similar compatible fitness tracker, you can connect this with MyFitnessPal and get a more accurate representation of your calorie expenditure.
I'd also recommend searching for a Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) Calculator. Bodybuilding.com has one, or Layne Norton's website. This will help you roughly calculate your minimum required calories to maintain your current body composition, based on your activity level, age etc.
Finally, DO NOT NEGLECT YOUR SLEEP. I cannot emphasise this enough.
GD Ambidextrous so I’ve attempted to use it before, but should someone be taking in protein based on lean mass or just total weight?
@Mythic if u are quite a bit overweight(like over 235ish lbs for a male or over 200ishlbs for a female) then u shld probably use lean body mass or as an easy rule of thumb just don't exceed 275g for a male or 200g for a female. Not because that's dangerous or anything but just because that's alot of protein to digest. It might screw with ur stomach. If ur just looking to loose or gain an "average" amount of weight(20-40 lbs) then dnt go any lower than .7grams pr lb of bodyweight, like full on weight on the scale. Personally I like to get closer to around 1.5 to 2g of protein per lb of bodyweight(in 181lb at about 12% bf so that works out to about 215ishg of protein a day) because I'm trying to gain weight right now and only going 1g per lb would mean I wld have to eat a ridiculous amount of carbs. Ha.
Liked before viewing due to gratitude for the science 🧪
really like a last portion of timestamp if any one is thinking for obesity or loosing fat, why they are not loosing and all this is a greatest answer you can get ...
I have lost so much on Keto. And I am eating more calories then I did when I tried low fat. And it is not even close. I really think insulin plays a huge part.
Same here, I platoed on a high carb 1100~1400kcal diet, now doing keto omad for 5 months at 2200~2400kcal and still losing weight.
There are a lot of scientific evidences suppoorting that.
Too bas they didnt talk enough about insulin, insulin resistance, glycogene depletion, glyconeogenesis etc.
same... i just got all my roomates on keto and they are expiriencing the same.
Considering during the caveman days we are mostly meat high in fat and some fruits and nuts that had to chase their food for miles every day. So it only makes sense the refined sugars, corn syrup, man maid chemicals that are in not found in nature would cause our bodies to react negatively to processed foods.
BossManSays A lot of recent hypothesis are that they could have been in keto during colder times and not in keto during summer.
Mostly adapting depending on their environnement, seasons, what they could find as long as there was enough food to not have to move to a different place.
The thermic effect of protein might also be offset by lower NEAT when on low-carb diets.
Not even close. Unfortunately.
Love the info u bring
Excellent vid, much appreciation!
So interesting! So what would he say to people who claim to have LESS cravings with an approach like flexible dieting, where they allow themselves to have more palatable foods on a regular basis, than when they stick to a more simple and bland “bro” diet? There must be more to cravings than just the palatability of foods... some people seem to have MORE cravings when their diet is too bland and boring (myself included). Maybe cravings increase with both diets that are too bland and diets that are too palatable? I would love to hear a discussion about this.
Craving is your gut microbia starving, they are alive and how they feel is how you feel because they talk to you via neuro pathway.
Aurélien Carnoy lol no
@@LifeBehindKeys thank you for letting me know where you stand. Take care.
Sierra Roselyn I agree. Even if I’m full I still feel the need to eat more because I didn’t really get my fix. It’s not the calories for me. It’s the experience of eating what I like. Being full is secondary. I fast 16 hours , eat a big lunch at work and a small dinner after the gym. Works for me.
@@dantan1249 Yeah same here! I love IF
here is the key question:
28:00
if individuals can vary in the amount fat gained per amount of caloric intake then their are potentially various factors that can drive weight gain besides caloric intake and caloric expenditure. Common people observe this phenomenon and conclude that this relationship maybe genetic, macrobiotic through the gut, calorie sources, or type of caloric expenditure. Obviously common people do not have the observational resources or expertise to make a correct conclusion in regards to scientific conclusion. So regardless of what common people claim, what are these processes that diverge from the energy balance theory that allow variance among individuals?
Great stuff! Very informative 🙏🏼
Amazing interview!
"Pick the right parents" lol
Lol I thought I misheard that 😂😂😂
Lol
Jeff high-key the best fitness CZcamsr. Standing right next to athlean-x
Jeff is probably the best. Only to be rivalled by Jeff, of course.
Thought I’d get bored half way through the video because it’s so long but had the complete opposite happen! Thanks watched the whole thing and taken on board 👊
The caloric model is true similar to how newtonian gravity is true. Sure, all objects accelerate at a constant rate in a vacuum, but in practical observations the feathers fall differently than bricks, also the gravitational constant is not readily manipulable (as far as we know).
Calories in /out is true in isocaloric (and same macro) diets, but in practice we have to talk about hormones that manage thermogenesis, fat deposition, hunger hormones etc ... Yes calories in/out model is very simple to understand, but in practice it's the hardest variable to control in people due to behavioral reasons.
So the whole package is needed; Get good sleep, remove super stimulating foods, create other healthful improvements like exercise (reduce cortisol, increase endorphins), healthy gut environment (probiotics or whatever), reduce ghelin etc.
Also weight loss is not really the goal, we want to reduce fat mass, and/or improve composition. A diet period that increases muscle mass and slightly decreases fat mass is superior to one that loses a lot of weight, but a higher percentage from LBM.
Bill Nye...? I don’t know if I would make him the subject expert of the climate change movement... love your channel!!!
But wait, he does not have another guest to interrupt or insult this time around 😂
You mean to correct him?
@@Richard.Atkinson on what?
Taubes interrupted Guyenet, not the other way round.
Thanks for the podcast sir!
Thanks for the research
how would he explain all of us on keto eating way more calories than "we should" and still losing weight with carb restriction no matter the exercise?...carbohydrate-insulin doesnt deny calories but adds hormones playing a role
Probably because people actually suck at counting calories? Humans are bad at math, again listen to what he said "controlled environment" they controlled everything they ate. He literally explained it, you just weren't able to understand what he was saying. Furthermore hormones do play a role, but no where near as much as you think. Hormones cannot violate the law of thermodynamics, if people actually had these insanely high metabolisms that they claimed, they'd be perpetually sweating and in a constant state of fever, because heat has to be generated by your metabolism if its more active. Are you in a constant fever? No? Okay then, your metabolism probably isn't this "super high" thing.
Furthermore Keto diets cause your ASP to go up, which is another hormone that stores fat, it just stores fat from your diet into your fat cells. Your body doesn't use the energy it consumes immediately. Think of it like a gas tank, when you eat you fill up your fat cells/glycogen/liver etc, just like filling up a gas tank. When you use your metabolism aka being alive in any capacity, you use the energy stored in these areas, just like a car being driven. The hormones ASP and Insulin are just like the nozzle on a gas pump, they just connect the fuel directly to the storage space. Once one stops eating, these hormones go down, and then your body goes back into raising other hormones to release energy from your fat cells/glycogen/liver/muscle/whatever. If your body never released the energy in these stores, it would drop dead instantly. You need energy to survive, everything you do (save for dropping dead that instant) requires energy.
That being said keto can cause some neat extra leaness effects by causing your body to no longer store glycogen and the extra water needed to maintain it. This can cause an extra few pounds of weight loss but notably this isn't fat. Glycogen and the water needed to hold it, hold less energy than fat itself does.
Hopefully this makes sense
I usually don’t watch an hour + CZcams video.. but I do when Jeff uploads them!! You should interview Alex Jones from his joe Rogan podcast lol
that would be hilarous
Fuck Rogan and fuck Jones
Btw ive seen you here several times before.
Really informative 🙌🏼
Great discussion. Well done.