Seventh Heaven Pro vs VerbSuite Classics vs IR-1 (Bricasti M7)
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- Comparing the Bricasti M7 Saint Gerold Hall preset in LiquidSonics Seventh Heaven Professional, Slate Digital VerbSuite Classics and Waves IR-1. This is a Bricasti M7 v2 Algorithm preset. The decay times are the default preset settings and although SHP and VSC show a different decay time LiquidSonics say that the actual decay times are the same acoustically. The Waves IR-1 is using a third party Bricasti M7 impulse response library which is available free at Samplicity.com. samplicity.com...
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Happened to come across this. Ranked observation:
1) Waves - This provided the most separation from the source because of it's grainy, rolled-off sound in the high end and didn't have much low mid build up at all! (Gives me hip-hop, neo-soul, 90's/2000's and EDM vibes. My ear follows the depth of the tail - reminds me of what I like about Valhalla Room). Preferred on vocal and musical sources.
2) Seventh Heaven - This one really wrapped around the source material and has a very glossy tone, but this is only useful to me on material that I want to sound "shiny". Otherwise, I'd be EQ'ing this more to get it into a supportive role rather than the duet sound it tends to make on long sources. EXTREMELY effective for modern drums for a bright space with no harshness.
3) Verbsuite - Has too much low mid build up that I'd want to EQ afterwards. Would add more work to a modern workflow.
Honestly, they all sounded really good. I honestly liked the Slate the most for the sax. Seventh Heaven for the snare. Nothing against the Waves, it's a great verb too.
Lol, what waves has to do with it?
7th heaven sounds absolutely incredible
You have great videos, I find it soo annoying when people talk way too much in comparison videos, especially when they use compressors or volume level changes to make their voice pop out when they talk, and I find it so hard to actually listen to differences in audio in such videos. But this is great, just the important bit, no level change, no pointless talking. I wouldn't have minded some commentary but it isn't required of course.
Now if I could hear a difference between these I'd be a happy beginner producer ;-)
Thank you I am very happy to hear that as I too feel the same way. I make the videos the way I would prefer to watch them myself. Little or no talking, level matching, short and to the point. I loop one short segment of audio which can be repetitive to listen to but I find it harder to judge if a song is playing right the way through and they are AB'ing at different points in the song. I also prefer to let the viewer decide what they prefer rather than state my preference unless asked.
Crazy to see that IR1 sounds dat good even if it is a bit warmer-darker sounding compare to the slate especially. Great test dude.
I really liked the seventh heaven over the slate.
I didn't hear any difference (but i listened on a laptop) The slate has the same algorithm as Liquidsonics Reverberate2 I think, as it was made by Liquidsonics. So unless they improved the algorithm for 7th H, it should sound the same. The Waves tail though, seems to stop sooner.
hahaha. this is an older video but you do know that the Slate M7 emulations are EXACTLY the same as Seventh Heaven because they are straight from Liquidsonics. Funny how people swear they can hear a difference. From Liquidsonics on a post on Gearslutz:
"The M7 (currently) has two algorithm modes, referred to as v1 and v2. The Fusion-IRs for Reverberate 2 and VerbSuite Classics provide a complete set of the v1 and v2 algorithm presets from an M7. So when we talk v1/v2, that's what we mean.
The new Fusion-IRs in Seventh Heaven / Seventh Heaven Professional are re-recorded versions of the M7's v1 and v2 presets done in a new way to facilitate the new features of the new plugins. Nothing other than Seventh Heaven / Seventh Heaven Professional has access to these. So Seventh Heaven Professional does not have access to any additional presets that you can't get in VerbSuite Classics, it has access to different capabilities that require different supporting files."
Thanks for watching and commenting. I mostly prefer to let viewers reach their own conclusion so I don't sway them and yours is exactly the point of this video - how indistinguishable they are from each other. One solution is free if they already own Waves IR-1.
Waves win
Thanks for this. Really impressed by the Seventh Heaven sound, it's in another league.
It's an aptly named plugin. Thanks for watching :)
I dont know about that
Seventh Heaven Pro all the way!
Seventh Heaven!
I think threre is no difference between them
If a person already has Waves IR-1 or picks it up for $29 in a sale then download the free Bricasti IRs mentioned in the description for a very affordable Bricasti M7 reverb sound. I do much prefer the GUI on Seventh Heaven or VSC but sound-wise they are all so close.
@J. Lekman Thanks for that suggestion :)
Difference is faint, I mainly noticed differences in the modulation with the drum examples.
@J. Lekman reaper is shit
Nice One! Thanks
All sounded nice..but to my ears.slate a tad bit better..but curious.the waves ..where did you get the bricasti patch
Sorry for the late reply I missed this one. Looks like the Samplecity site is no longer accessible. Here is a forum thread with some options you could try. Good luck. www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1277933-samplicity-bricasti-m7-impulse-responses-v1-1-anyone-have-them.html
They are accessible here if you still need them:
web.archive.org/web/20190201211631/www.samplicity.com/bricasti-m7-impulse-responses/
seventh heaven sounded far away but lush and bright, while slate sounded dense and placed in the perfect position while sounding bright as the seventh heaven, the waves sounded good but it muddied the sound and made it darker also the reverb tail didn't translate well.
Verbsuite sounds the best to me and reminds me of the tracks I heard growing up.
Actually I've trained my ear a bit more since this post and I think that Seventh Heaven sounds best now
@@jordan-kz3rxasí es, seventh heaven suena mejor además tiene mucho más parámetros, pero la única diferencia es que el verbsuite tiene separación stereo integrado
@@jordan-kz3rx lmao
os parâmetros estão diferentes Seventh Heaven com 3 e o slate com 2,63 e sinto o wet maior também no Seventh Heaven mas gostei dos sons embora o Seventh Heaven claramente esta soando melhor
Great Test.. That IR sounds nice. What sampling rate did you use to record sax?
Thanks it was recorded at 44.1k (1058 kbs) 32bit mono
Plugin Decisions By the way your record sounds great..
Thanks so much. At lot of time and work went into it so it's great to hear that :)
Plugin Decisions Yeah.. it takes a lot of work. With that IR there is no reason to buy those plugs just tried it out sounds amazing.
It sure does. I never dug into it much until I was alerted to those Bricasti IR's
Waves IR-1 win
Waves IR 1 and Seventh Heaven go head to head. Verbsuite sounds a little lifeless to me.
that's about as close as VST verbs using impulse response will get to real hardware verbs.
Famous last words.
ok I will hate myself for saying this but waves was my favourite... umm what?? it just sounds beautiful! but why if waves plugins are bad ???!!!!!
The Waves IR-1 is using a third party Bricasti M7 impulse response library. See the description.
@@PluginDecisions o0ps. my bad I completely missed that. It makes a lot more sense now. thanks
@@hithere4289 All good. I probably should have displayed that info on the actual video.
In addition to the impulse response files, do we need the corresponding presets for Waves IR1 as well?
It was 5 years ago but I seem to remember I just loaded the Saint Gerold Hall IR into Waves IR-1 and used the default settings. It was done on another laptop that has since been decommissioned.
The Slate is a bit more harsh. Software is not bad for the price compared to the hardware. But you can see why studios would use the M7. Nothing harsh about it. Nice. I like the 7th Heaven second in this demo. I own the Slate. Sounds nice. But comparisons like this are something you don't see Slate doing either.
Dennis Barrington liquidsonics Made both so they aren’t that different haha same algorithms
If the same impulse is loaded on each one then why would they sound different?
Although it's the same acoustic space the Waves IR files are from a different source to the LiquidSonics ones. See more info in the description.
Whats the reason for the different decay times?
From the description:
"The decay times are the default preset settings and although SHP and VSC show a different decay time LiquidSonics say that the actual decay times are the same acoustically. The Waves IR-1 is using a free M7 impulse response library"