I worked at a GM dealer for a few months. I saw Delco parts made in multiple countries, for the same part number. South Korea, Indonesia, Mexico, Japan, all for the same part.
Almost certain they went into full bankruptcy, Moog as we know it is dead. Some Chinese company bought the name and sell their products under the Moog name now.
@@GainingDespair Chinese? I just received upper control arms with ball joints for my K1500, #s RK620719 & RK620720 and they both indicate they were Made in Taiwan, so that blows that theory out of the water considering that relationship.
Did moog upper control arms and lower ball joints less than 3 years, 5,000 miles ago. Already replacing them. I’ve been doing ACdelco or GM genuine on my trucks now. I’ll fork over the extra coin for quality parts. Saves me time and money in the long run
Put a new Moog problem solved pitman on a Chevy 3500 chassis. Just didn't fit fully onto the steering gear shaft and was skinnier than the oem arm. Scrapped it and put a Delco oem quality arm on. Moog used to be top-notch, now a waste of time and money.
I ordered ac delco lower control arm bushings for my 82 c10 after watching this vid. The ac delcos are loose on my shafts like the moogs are in your vid. I'm returning them and going poly now.
Problem with aftermarket parts: The engineering drawing has dimensions, tolerance, material specifications, and important features. By copying a part, that information is missing. In this specific case, who do you think has the drawing and who made one from a part? Not a quality control problem if you don't have the drawing. It's a counterfeit problem.
Sooooooo tired of playing the parts game. It is ridiculous. Why is it really this hard to find an accurate, readily available, quality part from a company with good customer service that has a decent warranty?? Its hard enough to figure out where your part was made before you order it. I never know who to buy from anymore. I'm crossing my fingers with my new moog tie rod ends and ac delco UCAs and LCAs. Good luck, hope the bushings last!
Yup, moog tie rod ends already done. Granted I plowed a handful of driveways this winter, so I get it BUT at 150,000 miles of abuse and neglecte (before me) my STOCK original GM tie rod ends made it 2+ plowing seasons....food for thought I guess. $20 part, whatever....I tried
I can relate to this....wish I could have seen this video sooner. I ordered two Moog inner tie rods from the same Amazon source. Their built quality is soooo different. One looks greatly made while the other looks cheap and very corroded as new. Never again!!!!
I personally have installed a lot of moog in past 25 yrs. with no issues other than chevy pitman arms that were keyed wrong in the pitman arm locating hole.
The different part numbers COULD be from a 're-boxing'. I've seen that a lot over the years. Some parts distributors gets convinced by a manufacturer to switch to their brand. They hire a few flunkies to take the original parts, cross reference (if needed), put the old in stock parts into different (new manufacturer's) boxes, and 'TA DAAA' new parts line WITH new prices. Flunkies are also sent out to the stores where close to 100% of the time (from my experience of going through this MANY times over the years) the numbers will NOT be put in any sort of order so the store employees have to sort and rearrange the shelves. Along with the 'mandatory' leaving of extra labels because the flunkies didn't bring all which were required. Thus you're left with a wonderful experience of attempting to explain to customers as to WHY 2 packages of the same part numbers don't look the same.
Who is to say whether the control arm is a millimeter skinny and both bushings are tight . Your test leaves out alot of factors and one important one. I have installed MOOG parts on everything I own and never ever has a part broken or failed catastrophically . Since we are talking about parts that can kill you when they fail I will stick with Moog.
Rockauto is an aggregator of sellers, just like Amazon is. They scout and find parts providers then give them a selling portal to access more customers. Sometimes the high use items are directly shipped from RA, other times the seller ships to you using RA boxes. It’s like Forest Gump says about a box of chocolates.....you never know what you’re going to get.
I did radius arm bushings on my 66 f250, and I did moog on one side, and no name on the other. I am going to see which one shits faster, and I bet its the moog
I have used AC Delco Gold and it's honestly been better than OEM for me in some cases For instance I replaced the idler arms on My 1990 dodge B250 and the AC Delco Gold ones were the exact fit however they came with grease fittings and over all just seemed like a superior build to the oem ones that had both failed due to lack of grease.
Moog is American company and has plants all over the world ! Which Rock Auto explains but it is left to the consumer. I’ve had American made OEM parts prematurely fail and foreign parts . Mazda’s are a joke with cheap plastics made in Japan. The blower motors are almost $500 , I bought an American made blower motor made from steel with far better bearing and bushings . QC is everything.
I replaced my lower control arms on my malibu last year. Payed the extra money for ac delco over the other options on Rock Auto and they already failed. The bushing at the knuckle has the same play that ur showing, if not worse. Haven't removed them yet but with wheel off ground u can see all the play. Was fine for almost a year then slam, slam, over every little bump and drifts while shifting. Ball joint boots are dry rotted too.
Detroit Axle is absolute shit. Do not buy from them! Do your research. They’re a 3rd party dealer that gets shit parts from China. You’ll be lucky to get a year out of the garbage, and that’s if you ride your bike all summer.
@@tylerdubois9020 my cousin got burned on a whole front end for a 2007 silverado. The CV shafts lasted 6 months and the ball joints about 8. The rest of the parts were in a lot worse of shape than they should’ve been, too. Maybe you have better luck, but I’m not taking my chances. After that happened I did a little searching about them and I wasn’t at all impressed with what I found out. It’s disappointing too, because I live in Michigan, so to put a name on your product that makes people believe you’re getting high quality parts from the car capitol of the world, and you get some made in China shit, is kind of a slap in the face.
@@LESLASLESLAS Yeah I agree with the false-branding is bull-shit. Yeah I have read mixed things, maybe I just got good luck or maybe their control arms are better quality, who knows. Quality Control issues can lead to that, where some parts are good, then another batch is terrible. The Control Arm set I ordered was off of Amazon, and it had all good reviews (which on Amazon doesn't mean anything). I've had issues with Moog as well, I don't think any brand is really free from failure to some level.
Moog has like 16 countries they sell and manufacture from.The RK series is the 3 year warranty oem replacement,the CK series is the more expensive upgrade version.I found this out the hard way
Go AC delco if you care about the vehicle. Based on my understanding they sub contract their parts manufacturing all over the world. I assume they demand higher quality control than most places. I expect that to change in the future based on their profitability.
That sux. I had an issue with a set of none Moog ball joints, from ebay. Moog used to be the go to choice of the professionals. I guess they're trying to compete with China.
Moog has stuff made in china , Korea , Mexico , and Alabama. You can differentiate based on the letters in the part number and price . You get what you pay for as ussual
This sounds a lot like this guy cherry picking his garbage worn steel shaft, for parts that could have fit with not a completely destroyed control arm shaft. I don't care if you can see the original machining marks, steel parts in contact with other metal parts wear out and become undersized. The AC Delco parts aren't a true press fit like they would be factory, their nominal size just seems to be better than the moog ones in this instance of an undersized shaft.
@@JosephArata No. Nothing short of machining the part down to a smaller diameter would have achieved that surface finish, unless there was only minimal rust to remove that did not substantially change the diameter, certainly nowhere near 1mm. It is not at all true that this portion of the shaft would have worn out and become undersized. That's ridiculous and anyone who has done this sort of repair before, knows this.
Moog parts used to be awesome when made in USA. In my experience, I haven't had any issues with newer made in China/Taiwan Moog parts. However, it looks like the part that came in the Moog box, wasn't actually a Moog product.
ACDelco sources from multiple suppliers, all of which are media grade or better for their Pro line and median grade or lower for their Advantage line. I have never seen an ACDelco BJ that incorporates some of Moog's patented features, for example their new minimum profile boot, and Moogs are usually greaseable while most of ACDelco's are sealed and use a plastic bushing. I'm not suggesting Moog always makes the best but they do not appear to resell for any other brand, though there are many clones, some counterfeit and some in the gray area of misrepresentation and fishy packaging.
@@stinkycheese804 I'm trying to figure out what ones to go with for a 93 c1500. Might just buy complete upper and lower with new bushings and ball joints already installed.
Get the ball joints with the best warranty. Look, every mfg has issues at times, and the end customer is the one that suffers. If you go to NAPA, they repackage Mevotech, MOOG and other mfgs parts, and then warranty them locally. It provides a bit of consolation when they fail.
@@mattlawton4715 I was thinking they had two product lines, better and best, but could be wrong. I had heard moog was still good, but they were out when I did my tahoe ball joints, so went AC Delco. If its in spec, China probably still makes a good part to their standards, but hate seeing all these companies doing that.
Would crack into pieces and become ineffective. However, he could have just put a metal shim in to make up the difference, but why bother when you have it apart and can just reject and use another part instead.
It matters where the parts are being made, for a number or reasons, quality of the steel being one that isn't readily apparent like fit but, the primary factor is that it matters, when they are being made, here, then there, then someplace else, then all over the place, while a bunch of management suits, chase the lowest operating costs around the various third world nations of the world. Far as I can tell, Moog doesn't make parts anymore at all. They just place orders with various third world factories, package them up in their boxes and peddle them to the end users. Made the mistake of replacing the lower control arms on my Subaru Outback with Moog assemblies, Made in China. One of the ball joints completely failed within 15k miles... Ate up a practically new tire too.
Moog quality drop alot. Pass Moog at all cost. I like to add, my Camry lower control arm with the ball joints already clunking and making noises. Just don't have the time to get another LCA, because it is hassle replacing it.
This is like the third or fourth CZcams channel pointing out quality control for this company is completely gone!! My problem is that i watch CZcams and sometimes this is the first time i've ever tried something and if i got a part that didn't fit right, would i know that it wasn't fitting right? Starting to get very scared of the brand the sad part is is probably a lot of those parts on my car..
The only time I've ever had a problem with a Moog suspension part not fitting, was when I ordered the wrong part number and it was my error. 🤔 Moog does have plants all over the world, and things like the hubs and bearings are made in South Korea which are much higher quality than the Timken Hubs made in China.
MOOG are garbage in my experience. I had their wheel hub failed twice (2nd was warranty replacement) within a year. MOOG are not much better than cheap no name parts on eBay.
You can order the same part from ten different places; everyone will be different. Doesn't matter who the manufacture is, they all buy from who has the best price at the time. All manufactures are doing that. No one place is better than the other.
I was gonna buy moog wheel bearings for my 97 Vette n after seeing all these moog complaints i won't fork in the money for them n they aint cheap either 2 wheel bearings are 360 dollars..fuck..now what? Ac Delco? Help ..which should i get?
Got a brand-new set of MOOG Wheel Bearing Hubs for the famous 95 MERC, which lasted about 2 years and then failed. Replaced the MOOG hubs with genuine Motorcraft "HUB 3" parts, and all is well. SOME Motorcraft parts are still made in the USA, but not many.
Timken makes great bearings. See if you can cross reference the part number. Bearing from Japan and USA are usually the better quality, but you get what you pay for!
Always use moog problem solvers or ac delco professional Theses are the higher end parts. On the moog you will be able to tell if it is the problem solver with a k stamped on it. If it has an R stamped on it, it is ths lower quality part. Both companies lower end parts are pure junk. Spend a little more and it will save you a lot later on.
Not MOOG part in bag, someone switched out new parts for new cheap part. My MOOG parts have MOOG imprinted on part and bag is different. RockAuto buys wholesale so you sometimes get returns.
Mechanic just fitted a lower Ball joint for GS300 which came in Moog Box but on the base says Made in Japan three Fives. Rock's description says not greasable but part not only has a Nipple for greasing but also a small hole, in the Rubber to allow excess grease -pressure to release. Not mentioned or seen in the 2000 Car part description of the Moog item.. Will a MOT Test fail the car if they see grease coming out of tiny hole?? Dirt may not get is as seems to have a cross cut flap inside the hole. Unfitted Ball joint same product and doesn't feel smooth in movement. Why? How can they be called Moog brand?
I use to Buy Moog suspension components. Dornan use to be good My replacement instrument cluster for my Silverado was off by 3-4 mph under over 60 was 4-6. An led bulb was out., Soon it shorted out it was fun to find the parasitic drain. The cluster. Ac is spot on use cell speedo app and timer is exact. NAPA is going to stop selling Dornan due to fitment and quality control. A shop I use to hang out with the now new owner gets after me for not using Delco or Delphi. Everyone in the shop has lecutured me. In a bid needed new caliper bought house brand O'Reilly's as out of better brands it leaked fluid in steady stream I refused the OEM calipers until Rock Auto sent Delco it worked first try. The I o Reilly nearly broke head off banjo bolt try to stop the leak used the new washers it was not machined correctly.. Like optics, tools , audio you get what you pay for
That's been my experience too. In the last decade, I've had too many genuine Moog tie-rod ends that were utter junk. They moved all their manufacturing overseas and the quality control is very poor.
An OEM quality or equivalent aftermarket bushing will last as long as the original did, years longer than 6 months. Polyurethane can be an upgrade for a race car, but can also be harsh and squeaky or else a continual lubrication burden.
Rock Auto drop ships from the same distributors as the local guys, enjoy paying twice for the same part. Also their is nothing wrong with the MOOG in this video, The shaft is NOT suppose to be an interference fit, it grips on the ends of the inner sleeve when tightened down, it isn't going to rattle when tightened down.
FROM A FORUM THAT I FOLLOW: "Just a side note Moog bought out Mevotech a few months ago so what you might think is a moog control arm it could very well be mevotech(cheaper brand). We (my work) reboxed mevotech parts into brand new moog boxes when that happened.' "There are 2 different numbers for moog control arms. There is a CK# and those are moog and then there is the RK# that are cheaper and were the ones that we reboxed."
I bought some Mevotech parts in the past. Cheaply made chinese junk. Recently bought some more for a Mustang. They were not cheap. Came in very solid looking pieces made in USA. I guess I will order more from them.
Moog tolerances are shocking way out from oe spec,on the sealed ball joints you cannot grease the covers hide the fact they don't even grease under the boots sufficiently so they have a terrible wear rate
Moog use to be very good back in the day. Now it seems there garbage. I've had some parts fail on me to over the past couple of years from moog. As of right now it's not safe at all to buy auto parts from Amazon it's to much of a gamble. Ac delco is GM.
What I've been told by GM, is that aftermarket parts are usually made slightly larger or smaller on components that have wear on them. This way after some years a shaft in this case could be a little worn or eroded away, an aftermarket part should be made slightly smaller so that the fit is tight. An OEM part would be too loose. So in this case, the Moog might be a perfect OEM but the shaft might be slightly worn.
I have spent several thousand dollars on rockauto parts in the last 5 or so years. I have used Moog and ac delco advantage and ac delco professional. Every single Moog part has been higher quality than any oem part I replaced it with or any ac delco part I have used. I do not trust anything made a delco. I have never gotten a decent part from ac delco. Every single part was cheap and wore out right away. There is no comparison between Moog and ac delco
I'll take the AC Delco Professional or Dana Spicer over Moog any day. Moog isn't the company it was a decade ago. Terrible quality control as they moved more and more manufacturing overseas.
@@karlschauff7989 I tend to agree. Like many companies, they are riding the shirttails of their former reputation more than actually producing quality parts. I've seen it time and time again over the past 10-15 years and unfortunately I don't think it's going to get any better.
@@karlschauff7989 Hardly. Moog parts have changed almost zero in the last decade besides a bj boot change because that was their primary weakness in the past, boots that didn't last as long as the rest of the BJ did. You think Moog was made in USA 10 years ago? Lol, no they have multiple factories all over the world and have for decades.
Does this dude have a personal thing about moog cause i see so many videos about how bad moog is which isn't entirely true there's a thing called returning the part and getting a replacement shit I know people who redid there whole underside in moog with no issues. Personal experiences may very. Sounds like moog is annoyed with this dude and purposely sends him broke parts.
I have no relationship to MOOG, or any auto parts company. This was only my singular experience and is not a representation of MOOG as a whole. I have other MOOG parts on other cars. That being said, every parts manufacturer that subs work out will have out of spec parts at times. I spent many years as a mechanic and saw my share of Factory FFF'd parts.
I worked at a GM dealer for a few months. I saw Delco parts made in multiple countries, for the same part number. South Korea, Indonesia, Mexico, Japan, all for the same part.
I'm about to buy some Moog LCA Bushings and I didn't even think about getting a counterfeit. Thanks for the helpful video!!
Moog quality control has been falling rapidly over the last few years. Apparently they don’t care if parts fit or not.
I co-sign this fact.
Almost certain they went into full bankruptcy, Moog as we know it is dead. Some Chinese company bought the name and sell their products under the Moog name now.
@@GainingDespair
Chinese?
I just received upper control arms with ball joints for my K1500, #s RK620719 & RK620720 and they both indicate they were Made in Taiwan, so that blows that theory out of the water considering that relationship.
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Moog was not bought out by a Chinese company, they manufactured around the world in multiple plants.
China does own companies here, like Smithfield.
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Did moog upper control arms and lower ball joints less than 3 years, 5,000 miles ago. Already replacing them. I’ve been doing ACdelco or GM genuine on my trucks now. I’ll fork over the extra coin for quality parts. Saves me time and money in the long run
I've always bought genuine GM and Delco, and nothing I've purchased with that brand in recent years, has been made in this country.
Unfortunately, nowadays quality seems hit or miss no matter what you buy.
Energy suspension and prothane
For almost all your bushing needs
Put a new Moog problem solved pitman on a Chevy 3500 chassis. Just didn't fit fully onto the steering gear shaft and was skinnier than the oem arm. Scrapped it and put a Delco oem quality arm on. Moog used to be top-notch, now a waste of time and money.
I ordered ac delco lower control arm bushings for my 82 c10 after watching this vid. The ac delcos are loose on my shafts like the moogs are in your vid. I'm returning them and going poly now.
Problem with aftermarket parts: The engineering drawing has dimensions, tolerance, material specifications, and important features. By copying a part, that information is missing. In this specific case, who do you think has the drawing and who made one from a part? Not a quality control problem if you don't have the drawing. It's a counterfeit problem.
the problem with OEM parts is that after 15 to 20 years they don't make them any more
Sooooooo tired of playing the parts game. It is ridiculous. Why is it really this hard to find an accurate, readily available, quality part from a company with good customer service that has a decent warranty?? Its hard enough to figure out where your part was made before you order it. I never know who to buy from anymore. I'm crossing my fingers with my new moog tie rod ends and ac delco UCAs and LCAs. Good luck, hope the bushings last!
Sounds like someone needs to fill this void
Yup, moog tie rod ends already done. Granted I plowed a handful of driveways this winter, so I get it BUT at 150,000 miles of abuse and neglecte (before me) my STOCK original GM tie rod ends made it 2+ plowing seasons....food for thought I guess. $20 part, whatever....I tried
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Moog s quantity is going South..vary sad..great video
Did you contact RockAuto to inform them about the MOOG part and get a replacement, it looks like the MOOG part is not in the right box
I did get refunds for the bad parts. Rockauto is great about refunds and replacments.
I can relate to this....wish I could have seen this video sooner. I ordered two Moog inner tie rods from the same Amazon source. Their built quality is soooo different. One looks greatly made while the other looks cheap and very corroded as new. Never again!!!!
Wrong parts in right boxes is common now days...!
I personally have installed a lot of moog in past 25 yrs. with no issues other than chevy pitman arms that were keyed wrong in the pitman arm locating hole.
Thanks! I was looking at MOOG vs ACDelco on Rockauto. Makes the decision a no-brainer. 👍
@John John AC Delco is much cheaper - whereas both are garbage.
The lack of serrations on the sleeve gave it away as junk
The different part numbers COULD be from a 're-boxing'. I've seen that a lot over the years. Some parts distributors gets convinced by a manufacturer to switch to their brand.
They hire a few flunkies to take the original parts, cross reference (if needed), put the old in stock parts into different (new manufacturer's) boxes, and 'TA DAAA' new parts line WITH new prices.
Flunkies are also sent out to the stores where close to 100% of the time (from my experience of going through this MANY times over the years) the numbers will NOT be put in any sort of order so the store employees have to sort and rearrange the shelves. Along with the 'mandatory' leaving of extra labels because the flunkies didn't bring all which were required.
Thus you're left with a wonderful experience of attempting to explain to customers as to WHY 2 packages of the same part numbers don't look the same.
Who is to say whether the control arm is a millimeter skinny and both bushings are tight . Your test leaves out alot of factors and one important one. I have installed MOOG parts on everything I own and never ever has a part broken or failed catastrophically . Since we are talking about parts that can kill you when they fail I will stick with Moog.
Rockauto is an aggregator of sellers, just like Amazon is. They scout and find parts providers then give them a selling portal to access more customers. Sometimes the high use items are directly shipped from RA, other times the seller ships to you using RA boxes. It’s like Forest Gump says about a box of chocolates.....you never know what you’re going to get.
I did radius arm bushings on my 66 f250, and I did moog on one side, and no name on the other. I am going to see which one shits faster, and I bet its the moog
🇺🇸😎Thanks for the information. 🇺🇸😎🇺🇸
If is +.001 or +.002 bigger you can put a copper shim around the rod and it will not make noise
👍Nice im interested in a upper ball joint video acdelco vs moog or other known brand
In your experience, what has been more reliable? Ac delco or moog? Any other manufacturers you recommend such as Delphi, etc?
Delphi usually makes good parts. I have used their alternators with much success. Not sure on suspension components.
I have used AC Delco Gold and it's honestly been better than OEM for me in some cases For instance I replaced the idler arms on My 1990 dodge B250 and the AC Delco Gold ones were the exact fit however they came with grease fittings and over all just seemed like a superior build to the oem ones that had both failed due to lack of grease.
Moog has declined so much in the past few years. Not on all the parts. But enough to make me triple check them before install
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Moog is American company and has plants all over the world ! Which Rock Auto explains but it is left to the consumer. I’ve had American made OEM parts prematurely fail and foreign parts .
Mazda’s are a joke with cheap plastics made in Japan. The blower motors are almost $500 , I bought an American made blower motor made from steel with far better bearing and bushings .
QC is everything.
How do you know that what is says on the packaging is true, as far as where the part was actually made?
MOOG used to be great, the best probably. Now they and auto parts in general seem to be crap no matter the aftermarket name.
I replaced my lower control arms on my malibu last year. Payed the extra money for ac delco over the other options on Rock Auto and they already failed. The bushing at the knuckle has the same play that ur showing, if not worse. Haven't removed them yet but with wheel off ground u can see all the play. Was fine for almost a year then slam, slam, over every little bump and drifts while shifting. Ball joint boots are dry rotted too.
Thanks
AC Delco seems to be pretty good if you buy the Professional line.
I've had good luck with my 04 WJ Grand Cherokee using Detroit Axle too.
Detroit Axle all Made in China
Detroit Axle is absolute shit. Do not buy from them! Do your research. They’re a 3rd party dealer that gets shit parts from China. You’ll be lucky to get a year out of the garbage, and that’s if you ride your bike all summer.
@@LESLASLESLAS Thats interesting. I have had my Detroit Axle Control arms for over a year no issues. I will keep that in mind though.
@@tylerdubois9020 my cousin got burned on a whole front end for a 2007 silverado. The CV shafts lasted 6 months and the ball joints about 8. The rest of the parts were in a lot worse of shape than they should’ve been, too. Maybe you have better luck, but I’m not taking my chances. After that happened I did a little searching about them and I wasn’t at all impressed with what I found out. It’s disappointing too, because I live in Michigan, so to put a name on your product that makes people believe you’re getting high quality parts from the car capitol of the world, and you get some made in China shit, is kind of a slap in the face.
@@LESLASLESLAS Yeah I agree with the false-branding is bull-shit. Yeah I have read mixed things, maybe I just got good luck or maybe their control arms are better quality, who knows. Quality Control issues can lead to that, where some parts are good, then another batch is terrible. The Control Arm set I ordered was off of Amazon, and it had all good reviews (which on Amazon doesn't mean anything).
I've had issues with Moog as well, I don't think any brand is really free from failure to some level.
I have a 1996 dakota 4wd v6 please some body let me know what is the best option moog or AC Delco...I know moog used to be good I think they still
Moog has like 16 countries they sell and manufacture from.The RK series is the 3 year warranty oem replacement,the CK series is the more expensive upgrade version.I found this out the hard way
Go AC delco if you care about the vehicle. Based on my understanding they sub contract their parts manufacturing all over the world. I assume they demand higher quality control than most places. I expect that to change in the future based on their profitability.
I will keep that in mind for my 04 S10. Thank you!
That sux. I had an issue with a set of none Moog ball joints, from ebay.
Moog used to be the go to choice of the professionals.
I guess they're trying to compete with China.
My brother is a mechanic says he has gotten bad parts more then once. Everything has gone to crap
i see this alot in moog ether wrong part in box or the right part just dosnt fit
Moog has stuff made in china , Korea , Mexico , and Alabama. You can differentiate based on the letters in the part number and price . You get what you pay for as ussual
I like RockAuto but you got to pay for the return shipping
Not always, Many times I have got refunds or replacements on parts from Rockauto with NO shipping cost at all
I too have heard that moog parts are awesome, but I think the last 2 or 3 years I've also heard that their quality has gone down the drain.
Moog is trash
Guess you should've oversprayed the shaft ends more for the moog to fit..
This sounds a lot like this guy cherry picking his garbage worn steel shaft, for parts that could have fit with not a completely destroyed control arm shaft. I don't care if you can see the original machining marks, steel parts in contact with other metal parts wear out and become undersized. The AC Delco parts aren't a true press fit like they would be factory, their nominal size just seems to be better than the moog ones in this instance of an undersized shaft.
@@JosephArata No. Nothing short of machining the part down to a smaller diameter would have achieved that surface finish, unless there was only minimal rust to remove that did not substantially change the diameter, certainly nowhere near 1mm.
It is not at all true that this portion of the shaft would have worn out and become undersized. That's ridiculous and anyone who has done this sort of repair before, knows this.
Id like to see how much that wabbles after tightened down. JS.
slop will create wear
I need a Ford Bronco 11 Automatic Transmission oil dipstick part number!
1990 Ford Bronco 11!
You don't need the caliper, I can eyeball it on my TV and see the MOOG is bigger.
Canada has a Manufacturing facility on east coast.... Transit Auto. Cheap prices.
Moog parts used to be awesome when made in USA. In my experience, I haven't had any issues with newer made in China/Taiwan Moog parts.
However, it looks like the part that came in the Moog box, wasn't actually a Moog product.
Mine fell apart within a year.
What ball joints you like to run? Moog or AC Delco? Wouldn't surprise me if AC DELCO uses Moog with their name on it with some parts.
ACDelco sources from multiple suppliers, all of which are media grade or better for their Pro line and median grade or lower for their Advantage line. I have never seen an ACDelco BJ that incorporates some of Moog's patented features, for example their new minimum profile boot, and Moogs are usually greaseable while most of ACDelco's are sealed and use a plastic bushing. I'm not suggesting Moog always makes the best but they do not appear to resell for any other brand, though there are many clones, some counterfeit and some in the gray area of misrepresentation and fishy packaging.
@@stinkycheese804 I'm trying to figure out what ones to go with for a 93 c1500. Might just buy complete upper and lower with new bushings and ball joints already installed.
Get the ball joints with the best warranty. Look, every mfg has issues at times, and the end customer is the one that suffers. If you go to NAPA, they repackage Mevotech, MOOG and other mfgs parts, and then warranty them locally. It provides a bit of consolation when they fail.
Moog is bad since the went to China.
@@mattlawton4715 I was thinking they had two product lines, better and best, but could be wrong. I had heard moog was still good, but they were out when I did my tahoe ball joints, so went AC Delco. If its in spec, China probably still makes a good part to their standards, but hate seeing all these companies doing that.
J-B Weld?
Would crack into pieces and become ineffective. However, he could have just put a metal shim in to make up the difference, but why bother when you have it apart and can just reject and use another part instead.
Lemforder reboxing? I think no?
Moog
It matters where the parts are being made, for a number or reasons, quality of the steel being one that isn't readily apparent like fit but, the primary factor is that it matters, when they are being made, here, then there, then someplace else, then all over the place, while a bunch of management suits, chase the lowest operating costs around the various third world nations of the world.
Far as I can tell, Moog doesn't make parts anymore at all. They just place orders with various third world factories, package them up in their boxes and peddle them to the end users.
Made the mistake of replacing the lower control arms on my Subaru Outback with Moog assemblies, Made in China. One of the ball joints completely failed within 15k miles... Ate up a practically new tire too.
You want the ac delco 👍
I think the correct title for the video should be Moog versus Mevotech lol
Moog quality drop alot. Pass Moog at all cost.
I like to add, my Camry lower control arm with the ball joints already clunking and making noises. Just don't have the time to get another LCA, because it is hassle replacing it.
Guess I’ll be switching to AC delco
Moog Is federal mogul...owned by Carl Icahn.need I say more...
This is like the third or fourth CZcams channel pointing out quality control for this company is completely gone!! My problem is that i watch CZcams and sometimes this is the first time i've ever tried something and if i got a part that didn't fit right, would i know that it wasn't fitting right? Starting to get very scared of the brand the sad part is is probably a lot of those parts on my car..
My thoughts exactly....who can be trusted anymore?
The only time I've ever had a problem with a Moog suspension part not fitting, was when I ordered the wrong part number and it was my error. 🤔
Moog does have plants all over the world, and things like the hubs and bearings are made in South Korea which are much higher quality than the Timken Hubs made in China.
Moog is definitely hit or miss
MOOG are garbage in my experience. I had their wheel hub failed twice (2nd was warranty replacement) within a year. MOOG are not much better than cheap no name parts on eBay.
I replaced all 4 of my wheel bearing with moog and one failed after a year. It was so loud I couldn't even hear my radio with the windows rolled up.
You can order the same part from ten different places; everyone will be different. Doesn't matter who the manufacture is, they all buy from who has the best price at the time. All manufactures are doing that. No one place is better than the other.
I was gonna buy moog wheel bearings for my 97 Vette n after seeing all these moog complaints i won't fork in the money for them n they aint cheap either 2 wheel bearings are 360 dollars..fuck..now what? Ac Delco? Help ..which should i get?
Got a brand-new set of MOOG Wheel Bearing Hubs for the famous 95 MERC, which lasted about 2 years and then failed.
Replaced the MOOG hubs with genuine Motorcraft "HUB 3" parts, and all is well.
SOME Motorcraft parts are still made in the USA, but not many.
Timken makes great bearings. See if you can cross reference the part number. Bearing from Japan and USA are usually the better quality, but you get what you pay for!
Have to get Moog problem solver
A lot of AC Delco parts are made in China. All the door handles, interior parts, etc, are Chinese on brand new cars.
Moog good bushings,its Thermoplastic, last longer then acdelco rubber bushings
Always use moog problem solvers or ac delco professional
Theses are the higher end parts. On the moog you will be able to tell if it is the problem solver with a k stamped on it. If it has an R stamped on it, it is ths lower quality part. Both companies lower end parts are pure junk. Spend a little more and it will save you a lot later on.
AC Delco always the best
AcDelco are not domestic parts. Some are made right beside your Chinese parts... Can't even go by what the box says. Worked at GM dealership
So where I can buy moog bushing
Don't bother with MOOG -- RUBBER -- bushings. Get Urethane bushings from ENERGY SUSPENSION -- They fit right and will last longer than the vehicle.
Imitation or Bad QC?
I think bad QC. These cam from RockAuto, but then ANY outlet can get imitation parts.
Not MOOG part in bag, someone switched out new parts for new cheap part. My MOOG parts have MOOG imprinted on part and bag is different. RockAuto buys wholesale so you sometimes get returns.
Mechanic just fitted a lower Ball joint for GS300 which came in Moog Box but on the base says Made in Japan three Fives. Rock's description says not greasable but part not only has a Nipple for greasing but also a small hole, in the Rubber to allow excess grease -pressure to release. Not mentioned or seen in the 2000 Car part description of the Moog item.. Will a MOT Test fail the car if they see grease coming out of tiny hole?? Dirt may not get is as seems to have a cross cut flap inside the hole. Unfitted Ball joint same product and doesn't feel smooth in movement. Why? How can they be called Moog brand?
I've found Moog parts to be crap..I just order the OEM Mopar for my Ram..not that much more and the quality is off the chart better.
What if bad shipment why not order multiple units from same place and compare them to themselves comparing quality control also
I use to Buy Moog suspension components.
Dornan use to be good
My replacement instrument cluster for my Silverado was off by 3-4 mph under over 60 was 4-6.
An led bulb was out., Soon it shorted out it was fun to find the parasitic drain. The cluster.
Ac is spot on use cell speedo app and timer is exact.
NAPA is going to stop selling Dornan due to fitment and quality control.
A shop I use to hang out with the now new owner gets after me for not using Delco or Delphi.
Everyone in the shop has lecutured me. In a bid needed new caliper bought house brand O'Reilly's as out of better brands it leaked fluid in steady stream I refused the OEM calipers until Rock Auto sent Delco it worked first try. The I o Reilly nearly broke head off banjo bolt try to stop the leak used the new washers it was not machined correctly..
Like optics, tools , audio you get what you pay for
Moog sucks now. I gave up on using them, had several ball joints that didn't last, or that came out of the box with loose boots.
AC Delco doesn't make any of their parts at all.The fuel pumps,made by Delphi.NGK makes the platinum and iridium spark plugs
I hear MOOG is not that big on quality control. Heck they can't even be bothered to get the same part number on inner and outer packaging.
Probably because it wasn't really a moog bushing.
No moog for me. Those days are gone
You might have bought the wrong part, but whatever
ACDelco professional all the way Moog is junk
That's been my experience too. In the last decade, I've had too many genuine Moog tie-rod ends that were utter junk. They moved all their manufacturing overseas and the quality control is very poor.
I use polyurethane...I got sick and tired of bushings lasting 6 months.. lifetime on tierod... bushings junk..
An OEM quality or equivalent aftermarket bushing will last as long as the original did, years longer than 6 months. Polyurethane can be an upgrade for a race car, but can also be harsh and squeaky or else a continual lubrication burden.
Just another reason to buy local, not from the clearing houses.
Enjoy your wait for the correct parts.
Rock Auto drop ships from the same distributors as the local guys, enjoy paying twice for the same part. Also their is nothing wrong with the MOOG in this video, The shaft is NOT suppose to be an interference fit, it grips on the ends of the inner sleeve when tightened down, it isn't going to rattle when tightened down.
Moog used to be the best! What happened!!
FROM A FORUM THAT I FOLLOW:
"Just a side note Moog bought out Mevotech a few months ago so what you might think is a moog control arm it could very well be mevotech(cheaper brand). We (my work) reboxed mevotech parts into brand new moog boxes when that happened.'
"There are 2 different numbers for moog control arms. There is a CK# and those are moog and then there is the RK# that are cheaper and were the ones that we reboxed."
CK# no encuentro nada cin esas letras
The Moog die hards in the comments lol
I bought some Mevotech parts in the past. Cheaply made chinese junk. Recently bought some more for a Mustang. They were not cheap. Came in very solid looking pieces made in USA. I guess I will order more from them.
I only try no names for small parts/easy to install like sway bar links. Just to try out the brand.
moog really doesnt care about old vehicles
Moog tolerances are shocking way out from oe spec,on the sealed ball joints you cannot grease the covers hide the fact they don't even grease under the boots sufficiently so they have a terrible wear rate
Moog use to be very good back in the day. Now it seems there garbage. I've had some parts fail on me to over the past couple of years from moog. As of right now it's not safe at all to buy auto parts from Amazon it's to much of a gamble. Ac delco is GM.
What I've been told by GM, is that aftermarket parts are usually made slightly larger or smaller on components that have wear on them. This way after some years a shaft in this case could be a little worn or eroded away, an aftermarket part should be made slightly smaller so that the fit is tight. An OEM part would be too loose. So in this case, the Moog might be a perfect OEM but the shaft might be slightly worn.
no
SPAM
Fake... Amazon and Ebay. You get what you pay for
Moog is shite for me - just had to replace a couple of droplinks that failed within 10k gentle miles - cheap rubbish
I have spent several thousand dollars on rockauto parts in the last 5 or so years. I have used Moog and ac delco advantage and ac delco professional. Every single Moog part has been higher quality than any oem part I replaced it with or any ac delco part I have used. I do not trust anything made a delco. I have never gotten a decent part from ac delco. Every single part was cheap and wore out right away. There is no comparison between Moog and ac delco
I'll take the AC Delco Professional or Dana Spicer over Moog any day. Moog isn't the company it was a decade ago. Terrible quality control as they moved more and more manufacturing overseas.
@@karlschauff7989 I tend to agree. Like many companies, they are riding the shirttails of their former reputation more than actually producing quality parts.
I've seen it time and time again over the past 10-15 years and unfortunately I don't think it's going to get any better.
Remember when Hunter ceiling fans were the best. Same thing.
@@karlschauff7989 Hardly. Moog parts have changed almost zero in the last decade besides a bj boot change because that was their primary weakness in the past, boots that didn't last as long as the rest of the BJ did. You think Moog was made in USA 10 years ago? Lol, no they have multiple factories all over the world and have for decades.
only thing gov watchdogs look for is tailpipe smog,could care less about car parts
The "gov watchdogs" are not responsible for our purchasing choices.
They ARE responsible for the quality of our air and water.
Moog Sucks! Cost me a CV Axel Because Of The Stupid Grease Fitting Placement On Ball Joint! Over Rated And Wont Buy Again. Stick With Stock
And that ACDelco professional in gold, some are made in India.
Does this dude have a personal thing about moog cause i see so many videos about how bad moog is which isn't entirely true there's a thing called returning the part and getting a replacement shit I know people who redid there whole underside in moog with no issues. Personal experiences may very. Sounds like moog is annoyed with this dude and purposely sends him broke parts.
I have no relationship to MOOG, or any auto parts company. This was only my singular experience and is not a representation of MOOG as a whole. I have other MOOG parts on other cars. That being said, every parts manufacturer that subs work out will have out of spec parts at times. I spent many years as a mechanic and saw my share of Factory FFF'd parts.
Moog sucks!
Its made in China i mean made in México with a China transferred to México 😆 🤣 samething
Made Mexico and india
Wtf.ac delco is american i thought
Not even close, massive multu national company some parts are quality while others are sub par