The STEM Degree SCAM: Why I Quit Coding.
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- Ex-Google TechLead exposes the STEM degree scam, the end of the coding era.
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hahah such a good sales man
😹😹😹I get the irony
F__k ur training.
Should I take down my only fans for the FAANG company interviews?
I can’t wait for the world with no doctors, engineers, plumbers and genuine work people. The beautiful world filled with only media influencers, crypto investors and drop shippers.
Of course we will need doctors, engineers, ..., but we'll need far fewer of them (in percentage terms) due to technological advancements such as AI.
What TL is *really* saying is that, for the median person, learning to code as anything other than a hobby is likely to be a waste of time.
I agree with him.
@@jcantonelli1In fact, we don't need engineers right now especially in my country
@@winio437 your country is probably horrible then
@@willrl4297 Fact. Only programmers, doctors, directors and politicians and their people in government companies live at a good level. There are currently more than 43,000 people in my country whose net annual income is about $250k. Most millionaires have wealth from $1-5million and that's how the minimum 70%. Only 2% earn about 3.5k€ per month. About $1,818.65 is earned by barely 15% of the working population. Health care is non-existent, education at a poor level, universities and polytechnics close the rankings from the bottom. The population of my country is 38 million people.
lol.
Thank you Techlead for gatekeeping IT from newcomers and protecting our jobs.
Your job will be replaced by AI sooner doe
@@JH-bb8in all jobs at that point are at risk.
@@JH-bb8in Imagine thinking the introduction of a LLM is equivalent to A.I. taking jobs soon.
i hope you stay complacent kid :) better for me@@Death_Metal_Head
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TechLead doing us a favor by keeping more people out of coding (therefore, less competition)
Agreed The worst thing that could have ever happened is the code becoming popular.. i am hating the "code influecers", "code vloggers" and courses sellers since 2017..
@@gatoloco1873blender and 3d influencers
Yeah lol, I loved being a fucking nerd back in the day. Now everyone wants to be a nerd. Disgusting
More competition lower pay over time.
The advancement of technology, particularly Integrated Development Environments (IDEs) and Large Language Models (LLMs), is significantly streamlining the coding process. This efficiency boost is a double-edged sword for programmers: while it enhances current coders' productivity, it also leads to a reduced need for their numbers. Reflecting on my own experience, I recall taking a JavaScript class in 2011 at a community college where we used Notepad for coding. Back then, a single error would render the entire code non-functional, and the absence of error indicators meant spending lots of time meticulously examining each line to find the mistake. Contrast that with today's IDEs, which immediately highlight errors with red squiggly lines, the change is remarkable. This evolution in coding tools is a clear indication of how technology is reshaping the landscape of coding. TechLead's warning is a fair one.
The sad truth is that we built enough. It's like if you stand in the middle of New York and want to build a city. You can't - we already have a city. If you came 100 years before, you may had an opportunity. But now, it's too late. And unlike a city, which can only house 1 to 1 ratio of people and infrastructure, 1 website and 1 app and host the entire world. We already built the low hanging fruit, what is left now are just niche which only few can live off.
Yep it's like trying to win at the game of Monopoly but you get to start playing after the others have been playing for hours and already bought all the properties. Impossible to win.
Land is limited. Space in the web is not. And there are tons of things left to be build.
We don't even have androids yet, only useless web apps.
Low IQ take. We obviously haven't built enough. There are entire planets out there to take, galaxies to conquer. The real problem is the general intelligence of the population has gone down, and so we are at a state of technological stagnation. Either AI advances tech for us to unlock more space to conquer or we implement Eugene X.
@HyperionStudiosDE Space on the web has some value but its limitless space also devalues it vs finite real estate and resources in the real world. You're competing for the attention and time of humans that prefer to live in the real world over online. That will always keep real world resources and assets far more valuable.
this comment should be pinned... to the world to see it!
>becomes successful because of coding
>tells you not to code
Well
Different environment
>boomer grandma becomes successful buying a new house every year on a teacher's salary
>tells you not to try it
You see my point? It's generational. Coding worked for Gen-X and older Millenials, for Gen Z it's something else. For Gen Alpha it'll likely be something else again, etc.
@@keykey7959 they climbed the wall and now want to remove the ladder.
True but there is surely some element of truth,
this guy is becoming the andrew tate of code trying to break you out of the code matrix by making you a code influencer
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Damn! So True!
You can’t say he’s wrong tho
What happend to Joma ?
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Tech lead: why you should quit coding
Also tech lead: why you should buy my coding course
Typical grifter channel.....
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Hypocrite
And now he's "quitting" to squeeze out a few extra bucks from his grift before making his "comeback" a week later.
One of us is not paying attention. He is not offering a coding course. He is offering an interview course to help people do better in programmer interviews. Is that a coding course? Semantics perhaps?
it has to do with getting a job with coding when he tells you to not get it in the first place. @@physicsguybrian
You aren't being lied to when they tell you to go into stem. The reason all of these CEOs and billionaires want everyone to go into stem is so they can oversaturate the job market and pay you less. If there are 100k people competing for 200k jobs then they have to pay a lot to attract talent to their company. If they convince 10 million high school and college students to learn stem then they can turn that job into a 12.50 an hour job because too many people want the same job
Okay but what about being an influencers? So many people are jumping into that career choice ? Will that eventually dies out and become a low wage job or what? Because it can’t be STEM that’s oversaturated
yes, that is how supply and demand works.
Do you think CEOs are that devious where they want people to waste their lives on higher education just so the CEOs can have their pick of near-free labor? I would think it’s more like, they want the best talent they can get, and they want their companies to grow, so they’re just encouraging people to get into the field.
Jumping into CZcams, selling coding courses? Way cooler than dealing with straight-up coding these days.
I'm a software engineer. The UPS guy who drops off my packages now makes more money than me.
Granted he's also putting wear and tear on his body 3x more compared to you... Unless you're a code monkey with a sedentary lifestyle
he probably contributes more to society than you, sounds fair to me
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Based
@@NicoDa1So great that it never gets shipped.
You forget to say that becoming an actor or media person requires sometimes more luck and hard work than getting STEM degree. Take a look at those people living in LA near Holywood dreaming about profession of actor and not getting it in a lifetime. From the other hand you have quite straight way of obtaining STEM degree where you know that everything is in your hands. Of course you won't get all those money like in media but you will be surely above middle class.
I agree with the hollywood part but it is no different than what a fresh cs grad has to go thru too.
basically its just hard to find job these days
my friend even told me that media degrees arent that any much better, basically you take the degree to gain connections and if you fail to do that you basically failed the degree
Is hard really?
@@mrguiltyfool I have experience in both fields and can absolutely tell you that is NOT TRUE. Unless you get to the top...there is NO REAL MONEY in a media degree...especially if you are behind the camera. A fresh CS has a job that pays enough for him to afford an apartment and live on his own(outside of the coasts I guess). Your first job with a media degree ANYWHERE....hope you like roommates or don't mind living in a borderline shithole. Starting salary is not equal in these fields. Not at all.
@@jlemon22 when i graduated with a cs degree in canada most of us either have to live in a slum or with parents
He is right. AI, eastern Europe, south and east Asia have hordes of very talented, hard working and low paid graduates than STEM in the West.
Eastern Europe doesn't have hordes of anything. Look at the population size.
@@HyperionStudiosDE at least compared with the west, but if countries allow immigrants, it's because they can pay them less and benefit economically from them, never forget that.
@@dasaavawarsuploads1143 I've worked at a software company that employed over a hundred Romanians. They all lived in Cluj. No point bringing them into the country because then they would get similiar wages.
It wouldn't make sense for them either because they can live really well in their own country being employed by a western country.
@@HyperionStudiosDE This has been my experience aswel but I must say that the quality of foreign workers is generally not even close to the western standards. I'm not sure about other fields, but in IT, the hordes of talent aren't that talented.
@@noty69 talented enough to do the automaton work. For research etc Big Tech Companies only requires the top 1% from top universities across Asia or the West.
Thanks you TechLead for keeping me depressed.
Being STEM oriented was a natural extension of my education journey and therefore I could not see myself getting any other degree. It wasn’t even a struggle for me to get my degree because I was always curious about math, physics and CS. So yeah, if you are naturally inclined towards sciences you should definitely pursue a STEM degree.
if you are naturrally inclined to be a scientist or engineer then go for it. What techlead is warning that if you go to STEM (or IT) dont expect the big money. For that you have to be brilliant.
@@CreazyPeazy You not only need be brilliant you also need one or more lucky breaks which basically boils down to who you know who can open the doors along the way. Without mentors or rich friends and family you won't get all that far up the ladder. The fact is that you can be as dumb as GWB and make it if you have the right connections.
Talk with the people in your university, build connection
@@beblessed1030Very funny but not realistic
Not only that but there are so many good resources out there. This video is terrible. This guy is a hater and probably got fired from his job, came home and made this video.
I get the point that you are saying coding is a difficult field to get into but Imagine a society where everyone wants to be an actor or an entertainer. I would not want to live in a society like that 😂
thats the society we're living in now
A society of influencers in which half the people influence the other half.
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You already are living in a society like that 🤷♂
if everyone was a celebrity, no one would be a celebrity.
Everyone can't be a celebrity. Not everyone got the talent/drive for it.
Lol this is what happens when society is infested with highly logical thinking. We see life in inaccurate black and white terms.
The idea of celebrity lies not in exclusivity but in function, meaning the role the "celebrity" plays in their fan's life. So everyone can be a celebrity if they're able to find a target audience. That's it.
It's sad how much scarcity (which then leads to pointless gatekeeping) runs our world.
If TechLead quit coding, what does he do for a living, make CZcams videos about coding instead? Seems like coding still has value for him then.
past experience during a bubble gives him value. But, sadly, that bubble doesn't exist anymore.
He grifter his subscribers with Million token
He doesn't need to work for a living anymore since he got rich through coding, as an entrepreneur and as an employee.
@@LoveFactorySweatShopand yet still sells online courses
TechLead is 200iq man...
We often see videos that hype up the STEM world, but that portrayal is far from reality. In truth, working in STEM involves long hours dedicated to solving complex problems. A significant challenge comes from foreign competitors who, driven by a strong desire for this lifestyle, are willing to work tirelessly and often possess a more extensive knowledge base. This scenario is quite common. Many people enter the industry with expectations shaped by what they see on TikTok. If they are so easily influenced by media, then perhaps a career in that field would be more suitable for them.
A STEM degree is much better than most. But like anything college needs a shakeup
WELL SAID
Honestly, I think a nursing degree is better than a comp sci degree
@@mrguiltyfoolabsolutely not. ask the nurses working during covid while tech was working from home. they're both important for society
What’s so bad about not working at all?
@@dvngnt My sister is a doc working during covid and is pretty chill. In Alberta, Canada, a nurse with like 5-6 yrs exp is pretty much guarantee 100k cad/ yr. In my place software dev tops out at 150k and a lot of dev does not break the 6 figures glass ceiling in Canada. My buddy she was a senior dev in Morgan Stanley in Quebec she makes 90k cad. Also the work from home stuff is mostly over in Canada. I recently got a new software dev gig it is 5 days in office. Most are now hybrid. Remote tech jobs are becoming extremely competitive
The moral of this story is to find a way to make money doing what you like and what you're good at, because in every sector the best people are the ones who like it and are good at it. Dredging through a STEM degree is just setting you up for more dredging in your career.
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everything in life is dredging
i'm good at nothing, guess i'll kms
@@Ale-kc9pq if you can't have it joke about it. haha
Forget what you like. Make money doing what you're good at, and spend the other 128 hours of each week doing what you LOVE.
This obsession with having to get paid for things you love is ridiculous. There aren't enough lovable jobs out there. Most of us enjoy coding, but most coding jobs are boring. Do it anyway, because it pays.
I went to Berkeley and studied EECS (computer engineering, basically). It didn’t teach me how to code in the industry, instead it taught me how computers work, the fundamentals of science and engineering, and most importantly how to learn.
You don’t NEED a STEM degree to code, but for most people, you limit your growth potential if you don’t give yourself a proper foundation.
So true. I wonder if the Knuth series of books are even part of the education that a software engineer major will get today.
It depends if your degree is actually useless for your job. You can get a job on many things you learn in computer science it's just that most people choose to be web devs.
For example you can get a job in computer vision, data science, chips, robotics, game engine development etc. It's just that the jobs may not be common depending on where you live. They are also far harder and usually pay about the same as using React, but on the upside you don't have to use React.
@@robertmontgomery3892 Honestly, Knuth's books are terrible. The decision to use assembly language is just completely disqualifying. There's a reason that every other book on the planet uses high-level languages to teach high-level concepts.
@@beeble2003 How old are you? I'm 74 and when the books in question were first published in 1968 high level languages were in very limited use. The only high level language at the time in commercial use was COBOL. Knuth was a pioneer and those of us who started our careers when computers were just staring to be adopted greatly appreciated what his books had to offer. So please keep the time line in question before you criticize Knuth's books.
@@robertmontgomery3892 I'm in my mid-40s and I lecture data structures and algorithms at a UK university. The timeline is that there were plenty of alternatives available to Knuth in the mid-1960s when he was writing his first edition. FORTRAN was released in the late 1950s, and there were more than 40 compilers available for it by the mid '60s -- including one written by Donald Knuth. ALGOL and Lisp were a decade old by the time Knuth's first volume was published. PL/1 and Simula were both developed in the early 1960s. These were all well known within the computer science community, and any one of them, except maybe Lisp, would have been a better choice than MIX. If you want to argue that those languages weren't widely used, fine (though FORTRAN was clearly in wide use), but they were used infinitely more than Knuth's made-up assembly language.
Even if one feels that MIX was a reasonable choice in the late 1960s, Knuth's decision to rewrite the books in the late 1990s in a different made-up assembly language is just indefensible. By that time, there were any number of alternatives, any of which would have been better. C, for example.
Knuth's books have their value -- I've cited his analyses in my published papers -- but they're a lousy way to learn algorithms.
Don't fall for what this guy is saying. First off, we are entering a time in which being STEM and tech literate will be the BASELINE to move in the world. Admittedly it isn't glamorous, but this is about literacy, not about success. To be successful you will need more than just being knowledgeable in technology. Coding and computer language is the basic linguafranca. It's like the english language, you want to make it in business, you have to speak a bit of English. Going to college is the equivalent of going to High School, and THAT IS OK. Don't let this dude discourage you.
Tbh, I sometimes don't know if tech lead is sarcastic or just means so.
You definitely don’t need a degree to get a good job. I make 160k and only have cybersecurity certificates, no degree
Coding will be important for the basic jobs. Similar to basic arithmetic and actual literacy. But they are no longer exceptional skills to make you a millionaire. I truly believe "attention" and basically "sales" are the shortest path to success.
@@Yui-ee9mw dude is drinking from the right wing narrative spewing the same Andrew Tate victim crap. It's like a trend of whiners. Sitting from their offices enjoying technology and current living standards while blaming the "matrix" for how someone is going to het them. He ain't sarcastic.
4th turning coming- we will need productive individuals to steer the ship away from the iceberg.
The future is interdisciplinary. Stem + communications. Stem + healthcare + business. Engineering + logistics + business.
Noo everyone just should go into social media and the world will be fine
@@dwaynezilla You just re-phrased what he wrote. If someone claims to understand healthcare + STEM + business, then he is mediocre at all three.
You can still be social media star, though. Even as mediocre student.
Future is not anything except what you want it to be for yourself. Everything else is someone else's problem.
Do you recommend cs + engineering or cs + business
The same thing was when South Korean corporations understood the one produced movie can gain more profit than million sold cars. Japan for example has Toyota, has ship-building industry but their economy stagnates in compare of American whose car-industry is broken.
The economy in america is not good either
@@winio437 but it is the first economy in the world, and dollar is international currency.
@@Captal_de_Bush Not for long, brics becoming too strong for your currency
We are the only country that can print all the money we need. Right now, we are booming because of the 8 trillion dollars approved in the Biden administration for infrastructure, green energy, chip manufacturing and covid relief. Other countries would have had their currency devalued.
He nailed it. Part of the problem is that programming is not really a STEM field. It's not a science (it's a paradigm) it's not engineering (no concept of a computer science PE), and it only kisses math (like being a cashier needs to know math---mathematically-intensive coding is usually written by scientists and engineers). It's just some tech-y stuff.
He did nail it. It's a shame the like to dislike ratio is basically evenly split on this video.
I was studying at tum in germany for 5 years in eletrical engineering . Fkin useless, you learn basic stuff you will never need , its all about that degree, what you learn doesnt matter. Its better to go to an easy university and get that degree fast and just forget what you learned.
German university?? You can basically learn for free in 5 freakin years dude ! And you really think those 5 yrs are invaluable?
@@sohanlamichhane9272just an fyi invaluable means extremely useful and I’m uncertain if you intended to use this word.
Stem is definitely more useful than anything else you could study, especially when you are young and your mind can still be trained to think in a way that challenges you. I'd say to learn a creative field in addition to the math, and not using a digital medium but instead working with a physical material it could be wood, glass, metal, plants, anything. But to put all your effort into chasing trends will rot your mind and you won't be resilient as a person.
wrong its better to not get a degree and just create a portfolio whilst working part time job
@@basednuke7647 College can be expensive but there are inexpensive options, plus when you simply go into a training program you come out with skills much faster than you do when you train in your free time outside of work. Plus, the network that your instructors have access to is priceless. Of course in order to take advantage of network opportunities you have to attend a school in your preferred job market, especially for state schools or technical schools.
@@basednuke7647 The Impressive Project Rule sais once you can show an Impressive Project and own it, you are getting hired!
@@basednuke7647 thats not true anymore, there isn't a single job listing that doesn't require at least a 4-year CS degree. And you could spend years following tutorials and creating a portfolio and still never get hired. At least the degree gets you in position to network.
@@shipperturtlefunny you say this, because in my country in Europe, all they want is skill, mostly. Not saying that degree wont help, but skill is king. “Can you actually do the job and do it well” is pretty much how it goes.
Being a successful media star or influence is not in your control. It’s based on factors completely outside you control and requires a lot of luck, it’s a lot less work to just play the lottery, if your whole plan is to just roll some dice and see if you can get really lucky. Also as a plumber you can charge people 300/hr, and that’s only going to get worse as the last boomer plumbers retire. Nobody of our generation wanted to become plumbers and jobs like that, and now there’s a huge shortage. So being a tradesmen isn’t like this terrible thing either. You’re not gonna be a movie star, trust me. Better to not waste any time on that. I wasted my whole 20s trying to be a musician. I would have been much better off not being so insecure that I needed some kind of special status to be cool and get girls, and just focus on a career that’s actually in demand. And if you want status, listen to your Asian parents and become a doctor.
Not everybody wants to be a plumber and fix toilets...even for 300/hr
After all the training, experience, grueling jobs, and education I finally landed a great job in a cyber-security position. My greatest asset? My ability to endure long period of monotony and boredom punctuated by periods of "the entire world is burning down right now and I am scared." There is a lesson in there somewhere.
not gained from universities though.
Recently, I read a biography about a woman who decided to become a trader after facing injustices in the film industry. As a CGI (Computer Generated Imagery) professional, she shared her experience of studying for five years, only to then work under temporary contracts with no job security. She highlighted the inequality in income distribution and recognition in the industry, where actors often receive a larger share of the benefits, while CGI experts, who bring essential magic to cinema, are frequently underpaid.
the real gold in cinema is the sound production crew. How it looks is significantly less important than to how it sounds -
Not everybody wants “job security” dude. Freedom is where it’s at. Can get your own health insurance.
Yeah because how many Joaquin Phoenixs, Denzel Washingtons, DiCaprios and so on exist? Yeah right. And now how many "CGI experts" are there? You and your little Lady have no clue about the world and what actually brings the attention and money. The top level is getting paid for WHO they are and not WHAT they do.
women are professional complainers. all of them. it pays well.
Should unionize
Normies ruined coding.
I gave up prorgamming 25 yrs ago I realize the recruiter can import any workers around the world to drive wages lower and working with Indian folks they are hard to work with. So better focus on stem in livescience or that requires state licensing.
Leadership skills are just as important. You can memorize every LeetCode problem and still not get a job because you can't use STAR method.
I got a degree in STEM and worked in data and IT for seven years. It was fun while it lasted, very intense, but now that I'm 35 I'm a semi-retired restaurant owner. I'm not rich, but I feel like I had an amazing life. The only reason I could do everything and survive all the stress and difficulty was passion. People that aren't curious about creating things for fun and are only in it for the paycheck won't make it. It takes a lot of drive and determination (a lot of it unpaid).
Does the restaurant generate the equivalent of an average salary?
How can you not be rich being a restaurant owner? Either your restaurant doesn't make much sales or you pay too many employees.
@@McFlashhrestaurants have thin margins and high turnover
You're only 35. Do you have kids?
Bs
Tech lead’s main fallacy is that a person has a choice. No. Not everyone can be Hollywood star or an influencer if he wants to. Talents vary, and there are certain people who are destined to be engineers or scientists. Not because it is glamorous or it makes him a lot of money. Rather, it is how he is made to be. Also, college is where people make friends and even meet mates. The social effects can’t be ignored.
College is where people make debt.
Also, you can be charismatic, good looking, great at acting and still fail in hollywood and not make it, there's a massive element of luck and networking. If you are intelligent and work hard you can make it in STEM (luck is a lot less)
Indeed. There so many famous actors make it because the right roles fell upon them. A lot of luck. Science and engineering as a creative career ever expands. I don’t see any lack of fun doing them.
My friend gave me involuntary advice when I told him some one was developing a game that was similar to my idea. "Do it anyway". The value you bring to the table outshines others when you have passion for its future.
oh my god
yeah that's bad news 🤣
butyeah i think... whenever i discover something like that i should not- we should not get dissappointed!
Times are very hard for STEM grads right now. We will always require good software people, just not as many as before.
If "times are hard for STEM grads right now," then where are the jobs? You realize how absurd this sounds?
Economy booming again inflation under control, unemployment back to really low rates. Market hitting highs.
So who's going to wake up to the fact that the oligarchs have STOLEN American prosperity?
Absolutely correct with your assessment. Jobs are being devalued with easy visa requirements. Companies are flooding their IT departments with lower cost labour from India. Western salaries are rapidly declining
Absolutely true. Government and employers used to justify this with the claims there were not enough skilled workers in the US, but this lie has now been laid bare. 2023 had literally hundreds of thousands of tech layoffs yet they STILL keep importing H-1B, OPT, H-4 EAD, etc. at the same pace.
@@Mister_Garibaldi I don't think the lie is that we lack skilled labor, I think the lie is that the Indians are skilled, on average whenever I see videos from Indian youtubers I speed it up and try to skip to the important part because I expect their videos to be low quality time wasters, and my indian coworkers were not too different.
So in essence, we are replacing a skilled workforce with an unskilled workforce and using the unskilled as an excuse to pay shitty wages.
@@kirito3082 Not wrong about the skills.
@@kirito3082 If I click on a tutorial and the voiceover has an Indian accent I close the video and find a different tutorial.
@@kirito3082 exactly, I just wonder who invented the idea that Indians are more skilled than westerns. It is quite the opposite.
I am a TechLead Software Engineer myself with almost 20 years of experience, I was planning on going back to school this coming semester to finish up my Masters in Computer Science. But now after I watched this video I have no idea what to do, your message really discouraged me and put doubt in my mind about my career as a whole. 😞
If you're not certain, don't do it. your company will probably only pay if you get a high grade. it's a lot of time and potentially not worth the reward. Get some professional cert instead maybe, have the company pay for the cert test.
If you already have a computer science degree, do not go for a masters unless you want to teach, which really means a PhD. Do a different masters, like an MBA. At some point, most workers become managers and an MBA can help.
Man, that's why I like TechLead. Brutally honest, ruthless, and straight to the point.
Newcomer to programming, full-time for 5 years. 15+ years experience in video production. My personal experience has been the opposite. I've already close to doubled what I've made as a video editor with 10+ years of experience and get hit up on linked in constantly and I don't even have a github. Never happened in video production despite having a vastly more expansive portfolio.
Perhaps jobs related to stem are no longer being handed out willy nilly I guess....but the demand for the field is still there. Passion aside...purely when it comes to job market/salary...I would never tell someone to choose a media degree over a STEM one. AI is coming for STEM sure....but media is ABSOLUTELY on the front lines at the current moment. ChatGPT can churn out a usable video script in seconds....it can't write an expansive code base for an expansive customer requirements that constantly change...yet.
So when AI gets good enough to take away stem jobs en masse....that means media jobs are already gone. Not everyone can be lucrative influencer.
He's a depressed fear mongerer earning money by generating low effort content about his thoughts on IT and selling a course on IT job interviews.
*5 years ago*
We need more coders
*Now*
Tens of thousands of coders laid off
Is the usual why can't we get experience ppl. Spend the last decades underpaying ppl in the field so they left
The bubble popped
Another good one Patrick !! Yup coding has become more of a fancy hobbies these days, although I think it wont die down soon but sure the media layer is something has taken the new leading role !! Also I do think its just a progression of human civilization, as people become more technologically advanced, we tend to free our labor into more creative things.
So IMO, the next gen is def more into creatives but if everyone become creative producers, that too wont work, so there has to be a Shovel Slayers down under.. So School and certain degree are definitely getting there..
Thanks for gatekeeping super hard and helping to keep tech jobs highly paid. 👍
do you even have a job in the field? if so consider yourself extremely lucky.
@@KEKW-lc4xi Yes, but not in the US. Where I live you can easily find a job as a dev but you don't get crazy wages like in the US.
Cus the 100k or so people whos even gonna watch this video not going into tech is gonna such a big difference.
@@HyperionStudiosDEThe dude in the video is talking about the point of view of people inside the US, and you can clearly tell. Hes saying imigrants are fighting for jobs in the US, and no where else. Your viewpoint is from outside of the US, so you dont even know whats going on in terms of the tech jobs here
@@HyperionStudiosDE all these people are homeless in silicon valley and think thats the whole world of tech.
I think something that is missed here is the fact that STEM teaches problem solving at a higher level. You can complain about oversaturating all you want, however it's never going to happen.
Small note: I just want to point out the fact that this guy is saying don't do stem, don't try to become a software engineer professionally... While also selling coding platforms and pushing bitcoin. Doesn't seem suspicious at all....
Thank you again for this video. I am one of these who followed the stem degree with Bachelor IT background in United Kingdom. In France and in Russia we are encoutering the same problemes with immigrant competitors. Most of youngster students are leaving the country because of recruiters mentality, Bachelors, graduated, no experiences , no job. Leaving for usa , or china. Workin for startups, and then having a better wage. In my last final interview, the recruiter said sorry we prefere another candidate. Guess who was the candidate, a freelancer from Bangladesh with the same background like me, yeah in France. Then i decide to quite the job market , for freelancing too, since i am feeling less depressed and less overwhelmed .
why did they prefer him over you? is he better than you?
work harder and stop whining honestly. You sound like my 7 month old son.
@@sentient1640 there is no better. meritocracy is capitalist delusions
because in france, hiring a freelancer from india or asia is cheaper due high rate taxe as well @@sentient1640
@@sentient1640 yeah, he is better than him, for the money he can leave in their pocket not touched...
He's definetly right regarding the wage slave and STEM being oversaturated bit. I've worked as an engineer (not cs) in pharma/biologics for 12yrs and wages are stagenate. It's because everyone and their brother has a degree nowadays and more often than not they subcontract projects out. It allows the corp to pay upfront with no strings attached / no need to payout benefits. Getting away from engineering, biology and chemistry wages are garbage. Factoring in student loans it makes it all the worse. In fact, all the business bros / tradesman WILL out earn you every step of the way even without obtaining a "difficult" degree. Going to school was a bit of following the status quo path for "success" and equal parts ego stroking. I see the same future where entrepreneurs and those who take their own path lead more succesful lives.
Do you still work in biotech? Engineers in pharma should have been making decent money, maybe 120k-150k+/yr. There should actually be significant advancements in the next decade in biotech. I’m surprised techlead didn’t talk about Alphafold. Even Meta is playing with AI for biotech.
@@wenbo2611Sterile-injectible drug manufacturing and blood fractionation industries. Not newage-fancy bio-tech, although, still products that have saved lives. That's not the type of pay I've seen in middle America. (Circumstantial) Stuck to the area due to the wife's licensing and family ties, but, working as a process / validation engineer my progression was from 67k - 100k. Capped at 100k at the senior level with an expectation to work 60-hrs a week (sometimes more), and still leading a team / projects. I should have made a niche in automation / instrumentation. I've got a buddy who does and makes around 150k but has significantly more travel, no wife, no kids, etc.
It's decent pay, but compared to my other buddy who owns his own HVAC business and is pulling 200k with commercial installs, I'm jelly. There's better options than going to college and accruing all the debt. Especially if you're going for bio or chem. Some operators I know only make $20-30/hr and the position "requires" a STEM degree. You're taught on the job and it's monotonous work though so the degree is a gatekeeping mechanism.
Business owner / entrepreneur = write-offs and assets. Compared to compound interest and being owned by a corporation it's something to consider. Just my two cents.
The vast majority of finance bros and business majors will not out-earn engineers, there is data on this.
Stop comparing average engineers with crème of the crop finance bros
@@dream1430 The average engineer makes 3.2 million throughout their career. The average MBA recipient makes 3 million. I've met far more business / finance types who have out earned STEM types. I'm not talking Wallstreetbets. I'm talking entrepreneurs / accountants / business owners / commission-based sales / franchise owners.
Stop comparing the average engineer salary to silicone valley salaries. Those numbers aren't across the board for all forms of engineering. Also, it's more than just the average earned. It's the likelihood to maintain a job. There were 65k new engineering roles last year with about double that in fresh grads in the US alone. Factor in global competition and you're in for a hard time. (As tech lead states) Supply and demand. This isn't the pre-2000s job market where you have in-house engineers who stay at the same place for 50-years. My experience is companies are leaning into short term contract work for projects. I've worked with contractors from France, Germany, Italy, and all sorts of places. Check forums related to engineering and you'll see tons of layoffs occurred during 2023 from some of the industries biggest players.
Self-employment and self-sufficiency is the play of the future. Get a side hustle going.
Exited the chemistry rat race. Biology and chemistry are very oversaturated, and even if you do eventually develop advanced, useful, niche skills no one wants to pay for that. Engineers do better...if they can get a job. From what I've heard from engineers I might it's brutal to work your way into any actual engineering position.
Depends on what is STEM... Science is definitely the worst career path one can take. Low pay and long hours...
IT and engineering are much different to science and especially biology which is just grunt work.
npc comment
Being a doctor is aweful.
@@ivansmirnoff669 Totally. Good science isn't just about money, but true vocation with long-term vision.
Why do you say especially biology? I'm curious
I'm sorry you had such a poor experience coding. I recently retired from a full career starting with a 'Computer Science' Bachelor of Science, transitioning thru various seniorities of 'Programmer', then '(Operating) Systems' programmer, then Database designer & performance tuner, various consulting gigs as a high level special projects troubleshooter, & ending with internal web sites automating paper processes or replacing ancient automations from my predecessors. All my work was done behind the firewall, where I was providing utility benefit to company insiders, & experienced a lot of gratification from my so called 'customers'. I was intensely frustrated by most of my managers who always had their own agenda at odds with the interest of the company. But the 'coding' work (actually a rather demeaning term for what I really did less of) was wonderful.
According to the Department of Labor Statistics, 75% of STEM graduates don't go in to STEM. The four year degree is a complete and utter swindle. Go in to academia and get tenure. They can't fire you and the pay is decent.
Plumbers are one of the top earners in Australia. They live in huge houses, often right next to the beach, and go surfing between jobs daily.
I hate those rich, overpaid, lead-slinging a-wholefood holes too lol, but just you wait until kids learn to solder in VoTech again. Ppl forget how common it was for families to build their own house from scratch in commie cuntrees.
imagine getting a degree in the age of information...
You should look at the outcomes for those who graduate with a degree in STEM or Business/Economics vs. those who do not pursue education after highschool.
It’s quite shocking honestly, getting a degree in something meaningful at a local state college while commuting, seems to be one of the greatest investments you could make in your life
I haven’t watched the video yet but I really doubt TechLead would dispute the argument that getting a degree is the best option for most people, especially mediocre people.
So I have to disagree with you, getting a degree in this age is a great idea.
College has A LOT of problems, but very few people are intelligent enough and of great enough character to self educate to a comparable extent, so it remains a good idea
@@dream1430 You should never look at outcomes for the average if you aren't average yourself. Data is only useful for bureaucrats.
hahaha
A degree is a glorified "someone vouched for ya!". Useless but still kinda necessary if you're not super talented
It’s free to enroll in my country but not sure if I would pay for one
Great content and channel glad your content is informative
Straight talk. I love the way you get to the point with no gassy introduction and 'talking about what I'm going to talk about' waste. Good job
Beyond all the irony and dry humour, he is right. The STEM exists because it produces cheap labour.
Thank you TechLead whenever I am feeling positive about the world I come here to be demoralised. It keeps me sharp and on the edge, where I need to be.
who told young thug "coding" = a killer app startup?
that's not STEM and CEO's are not coders
i feel bad for the "KID" isnt going to make it
He's not wrong, though. Kid can't even figure out if he should continue learning after ONE course. Being a good engineer is about self-motivation and the ability to never stop learning. If you have to write an email questioning some random guy if you should continue learning or not, then you're not going to make it.
Thank you for saying what I've been feeling for years. I'm glad that I pursued the field of Computer Science out of interest not out of caring about money or jobs. I wish I didn't go to university though, I fully enjoyed my community college experience.
LOL bitcoin, people might actually think you're serious🤣
STEM used to be good in our parents era, techlead is right, social media people are in the top of society, programmers are nerds and people dont care about them + they dont have jobs
Superficial point of view. The status you make can be destroyed over a night, the stem knowledge can't.
@@jora5483 actually it can with a traumatic brain injury.
@@addchannelname9021 Wear helmet.
@@jora5483 Well, the era when our parents were young didn't pass over night. Otherwise the STEM would still be as relevant.
Programmers don't have jobs? They do where I live.
In the US, about 60% of Gen Zers want to be social media influencers.
imagine thinking that coding is all about websites and app stores lawl.
I retired from the invention business (patents mostly) and TechLead is right, there's no money in innovation, as opposed to being a middleman, a manager or being in a protected profession (doctor, lawyer). I had three science degrees but went into management in Silicon Valley and did OK (made about a million). I retired in my 40s when I inherited a bunch of money. Good luck to you reader.
>I retired in my 40s when I inherited a bunch of money.
Man, I gotta try that.
@@Descriptor413 Yeah it's nice. Those people that say there's no life after retirement are wrong.
A million total or per year?
Born on 3rd base and cheering himself on when he made it home gg ez
You (amongst others) inspired me to go for a SWE job years ago. I even bought your coding interview course. Ended up working my way up to a nice 6 figure salary. Funny enough - you also inspired me to quit my job and become an entrepreneur. This year I made my entire SWE salary in about 6 months lol. You are spot on regarding this movement towards the "attention economy".
What are you doing now?
that's awesome to hear lol
@@dnangel4277 got into ecom. started with dropshipping. now starting my first "real" brand
@@Sectarian. build your skillset up so people want to work with you. build a high leverage skill (something that is in demand and easily scalable). i get lots of offers from people wanting to work with me, but 9.9 times out of 10 the person doesn't have any value they can offer - so bringing them in is just increasing my workload (training the person) for little benefit on my end.
you just said a bunch of nothing brother. what is your business?@@Somethingsomethinglol
Completely agree, I think we will start to see the "middle class" of software engineers disappear and you will either be working in very stressful situations with high pay or underwhelming roles with average pay. I still plan to get a cs degree but thats only because of relatively high starting pay, and then I will use extra money to transition into something else.
@@ShannonBarber78 So don't spend anything you earn, to be upper class? What's the point then?
sukadik@@ultrasaiyan4283
You should get a CS degree, and then become a millionaire code influencer.
shoudl i start every video with how much money i make a year@@samy7013
Transition into what? Im a civil engineer thinking kf transtiotionig into tech lol
Man! You are 100% correct!! I just received my BS CS this past Summer from a prestigious university and I can't find a job as a Data Engineer or Program Manager. I'm not trying to do SWE because it's almost impossible to get JSWE gigs in 2023 and even in 2022! I have less than 2 years of Software Engineering experience (Google 1 year) and (Nvidia less than 1 year).
I'm a data engineer now but I'm lucky (new grad but with 1 year of work experience and 2 internships while in school) and its just because it's not an entry level role. The skills required are really aimed for senior level. Just look into other roles like data analysts or SWE's.
try analytical engineering roles.
How you gonna be a program manager when you haven't managed a thing but your hair cut since college lol.
It's all about contact/networking. Knowing the right people will get you further than skills would.
ask yourself what you want to give, not what you want to get. That's how you know what skills you need. Don't let these people lead you around by the nose with promises of careers, authority, and money. chases what you believe in, what you love, who you want to be.
The best comment here
this is poignant
Amazing analysis and thoughts 🩶 very good observations!
Totally seeing this over the last six months or so. The colleges turned out too many "drones". People who can build a website or create a phone app but not much else. This worked fine for a while, but when the world has enough websites and phone apps, it's not looking too great for these people now. Some may be able to learn or fit into other (actual engineering) jobs, but many will have to move on to other things.
yeah ask them to make a new app that solves a real problem, and they'll still need a BA.
Man... This was spot on. Agreed sir.
Great job keep up the good work love watching your videos. What do you think about game programming? Is that a good career choice?
I had to implement a binary search tree. The DBMS I was using around 1990 started getting exponentially slow. So I coded my own (with a little/lot of help from Al Steven's book and it's PARODY code). You never know when you're going to need this stuff. A two day DBMS one character in a field name change went down to a 4-11 minute C++ compile.
And the one time you had to use that you could just look it up instead of recite it from memory xD
I've been thinking this for quite a bit now: Coding has become so mainstream that supply is going to beat demand massively going forward. No question, STEM jobs are important but we simply do not need the quantity we're heading towards now! You will either fight your way to the top % of coders in an international rat race or you will work low wage if you even get a job in the first place. If success is a factor in your career choice, you should be looking for what is in demand rather than what is popular right now - today's popularity is tomorrow's oversaturation...!
Thank you for this. This really cleared up my mindset.
I love these videos. One of the few honest voices left out there.
This video is GOLD. There are so many important messages for us and our children's future. Some of the messages he mentioned are subtle, but when you think deeply, looking at tech and entrepreneurial disruption now, it makes sense..
It's a video anyone should watch. Thank you for making this!
I really enjoyed watching that! This video added me a lot of value with different points of view!
techlead stepping up his wardrobe. i have the same color arcteryx jacket and probably the same style😂
Networking is a great alternative. Networking has no coding just maybe some commands and configuration of network/ed devices, maintenance, troubleshooting, installation, etc., and even with just that small requirement of an admin you still make money. All with just a certification from CompTIA and others.
In my country I'm yet to find a networking job since May lol
System administrator?
@@saadhabashneh5587what country?
@@cranes2726 Jordan 😔
Most network/system admin stuff will be done by AI in the next 5-10 years
“Really the people who had the good lives were the philosophers like Socrates” lol
until he got cancelled.
Engineers have the ironic task of trying to put themselves out of work using innovation.
Thanks for your videos ❤
The biggest lesson I learn from TechLead is to never follow the herd.
Never follow the herd but always follow the trend ...
He has 1.5M subscribers. I'd call that herd.
20 years ago STEM wasnt popular but media was. Those kids who got media degrees didn't go anywhere. Bad timing or (still) useless degrees?
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This video is so true!! This is why I am now majoring in Egyptian Basket Weaving with a minor in Feminist Studies.
excellent choice!!
You got a point that engineerers, among human history, have always been the blue-collar low-status clan that strive for nothing but money.
The societal infrastructure have always been controlled by another level in the hierarchy that does not need to work for money in the first place.
He is right about this: When I was in college decades ago, in the early 80s, programming/computer science was still regarded primarily as the domain of guys wearing short-sleeve, button-down, white shirts and skinny black ties. Think NASA engineers circa 1968. We didn't have "tech bros" and programming really wasn't seen as "sexy" and dripping in cash the way it has become in the last twenty years. That said it was and is a fascinating field when you start to learn about the history of coding, and it remains so now. You just have to follow your passion no matter what.
Amen to this. First class honours degree in molecular Biology and genetics, masters in Functional genomics and a luckily I gave up after 2 years into a molecular biology based PhD seeing that I would just be working a low paid job with little security.
What is it your looking to do now? Interested out of curiosity cuz I might be getting into that field in the future.
I am a registered nurse now.
@@shanghaichica very cool
another four years, or how many years?@@shanghaichica
@@shanghaichica me to, study nursing
3:06 Very interesting point about media. But please do not forget, while STEM and construction are might be limited in the upside they are more predictable as an career than media.
Just graduated with a Masters in Data Science, nice to have the edge over a bachelors and be uptodate with a good understanding of the current technologies. Will also allow me to apply for graduate schemes in science which do you would not be able to to under normal circumstance i.e without bachelors or masters.
As software engineer, I agree with you
I am focusing filming and editing.
Regardless, programming is indeed saturated at the junior level (for now at least). There are now 4.4 million software developers in the US alone, and AI will start to take over some of the more rote tasks, further consolidating developer roles that are already being consolidated by many companies (look at how many devs are having to learn DevOps even when it's not the role they got hired for). The relatively short barrier to entry for devs have made everyone and their grandma into a 'developer', and we are now seeing the consequences of that.
Go to trade school. Become a plumber.
electrician much easier - no digging, no heavy tools, no sewage...
@@JohnSmith-sj2dk Where I live, all electrical is underground. You are thinking residential. I'm thinking commercial. Boom trucks, transformers, charging stations, battery storage units, generators, turbines are plenty heavy.
@@user-fb8jb5yi6g is your house also underground?
Just finished my computer science degree after pivoting away from running a media company... upside is now I can design and deploy those twitter bots you were talking about.
😂😂😂
Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe
I really love the format of the TechLead and his "ex-Google ex-Facebook Tech Lead" experience.
Absolutely correct...code stands no chance against viral social media content
I called some random businesses in my area (medical, legal, services, etc...) and asked to speak to the owner. About half the time they were straight up not interested. Some even hung up before I could say "bye" lol. The other half were interested and I left them my contact info. One person very interested (they use this niche medical software which seemed rather involved). I believe our best chances come from working hard and making business connections
what did you say to them?
@@cranes2726He said ”Hyarghalaaaargahlaallallallallallaloooo”.
I am working too in médical software and i am interested
@@cranes2726hi
The thing is that college is pointless, but I think a 2 year technical college degree is the future. Especially for stem
I have been running my small software company for 18 years, but I saw the writing on the wall, I decided to start a mining company, no, not a crypto mining business, an actual mining (breaking big rocks into smaller rocks) company. So far my software business is still paying the bills, but I'm executing my plan and having fun doing it.
Hey buddy. I work in mining and can be an asset. Do you have any way of contacting you?
I'm basically just about to graduate an engineering degree and my friends and I can't get internships let alone jobs. Not sure what I'm going to do with my life, I think companies are starting to que on to this AI thing. Soon they'll be laying people off let alone hiring inexperienced uni students like me.
Which country u from and what engineering?