UNE Center for Global Humanities and its founding director, Anouar Majid, host Ayesha Jalal on "The Struggle for Pakistan." This event was recorded on November 19, 2015.
Prof. Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed’s books 1. Pakistan : the garrison State and 2. Jinnah : his success, failure and role in history , are full of evidences and datas which contradicts Ayesha Jalal.
مصنف نسیم یوسف نے تقسیم ہند کے بارے میں بہت پہلے اپنے خیالات لکھے تھے۔ اب پروفیسر اشتیاق مسٹر یوسف کے بہت سارے خیالات کو دہرا رہے ہیں۔ czcams.com/video/LK7mFhZnurs/video.html www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY Must Read: "India & Pakistan Owe their Freedom to Allama Mashriqi" archive.org/details/india-pakistan-owe-their-freedom-to-allama-mashriqi Author Nasim Yousaf's (Allama Mashriqi's grandson) views about Jinnah, Gandhi & the partition of India facebook.com/AuthorNasimYousaf/photos/?tab=album&ref= czcams.com/play/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY.html
We ( myself Victoria Miroshnik and Dipak Basu) have analyzed this issue in our book, India as an organization, published by Palgrave-Macmillan. The thesis of Ayesha Jalal was wrong. Jinnah was recruited by the British in 1934 to create a new state where the British Army could stay to protect the Middle East from the Soviet Union and the sea route between the Suez Canal and Australia. NS Sarila, who was the ADC for the last three Vice-Roys of India, wrote that in his book. There are two others who were recruited by the British: Gandhi in 1915 and Ambedkar in 1930. British supported the Muslim League wholeheartedly from the beginning in 1906. In every riot, British police took the position to support the Muslims. That was obvious in August 1946 in Calcutta, then in Noakhali, and Chittagong in East Bengal. Pakistan was created by the British and Jinnah, Gandhi, Ambedkar were the British agents. Gandhi planned Pakistan in 1943. He sent his plan to Jinnah through Rajagopalachari, but Jinnah wanted a corridor through India which Gandhi could not agree with.
Greetings madam from India. I am so delighted to listen to all your talks on youtube. I have gained so much respect and admiration for your talks and intellect. Pakistan should be proud of you.
There seem to be so many excuses for Pakistan including the writing of its constitution. The very idea of a religiously fleshed out state is odious. It will rile Pakistanis if it’s pointed out to them that they share this distinction with Israel.
The truth of the matter, and forgive me, if some of you find my comments unforgivable, but the truth is partition took place because Britain wanted to ensure that its security interests in this vast country, in terms of military bases would not be compromised after withdrawal. The sceptre of communist Russia looking towards the Middle East beyond the Persian Gulf represented a vulnerability as far as the British were concerned, and so, India was carved up because well, it could be an important buffer that a third-party rather fancied. This is not the only example of this, if you look at Eastern Europe, there are so many countries that were "created". Africa too, its easier to infiltrate what was a province yesterday vs an enormous geographic monolith, it isn't an astute way to spread the risk. It just so happened that at the time, this move for a bi-national State corresponded with what some community unrest, but in hindsight, we'd have been better served to slug it out and move on. Instead, we succumbed to splitting India along religious lines, and well, I'd have gone along with it until Bangladesh was founded, which in my view negated the entire premise. Its a shame. So many of us have so much generational history and yet find ourselves extrapolated away, or sectioned off by an impregnable border. I'm pleased to hear Ms Jalal's viewpoint but I don't agree with it all necessarily. We so frequently fall for the trap of hatred and blaming one another, it's quite easy to miss the broader point, we lost out on a lot. Its bizarre, this notion that as a Sikh or Hindu you have to move mountains to go to Lahore, a city drenched in history, culture and significance for more than the adherents of one particular faith. Or that as a Muslim, we can't visit Lucknow. Everybody deserves a round of fucking applause, fuck it lets just carry on hating...
Very true. They wanted a military base in Balochistan close to the erstwhile soviet union and they used Jinnah to get this, because the british knew that the Congress would never forgo the sovereignty of an undivided India.
NS Sarila, who was the ADC of the last three British Vice Roys of India wrote a book on this matter. He suggested in 1934-35 British decided to create Pakistan where the British Army can stay in case the British got to leave India in future. They recruited three politicians of India, Gandhi, Jinnah, and Ambedkar among others to execute their design. In 1945 Churchill called a meeting how to resist the Soviet Union entering the Middle East. He thought that Pakistan would provide the security of the Middle East for the British.
HA! These are all rhetorical notions and nothing more than that. That's the narrative every single indian is instilled with. This amalgamation of fabricated lies and some selective truth is literally hammered into your heads. That's not history!!!!
There is a qualitative difference btwn Indian (hindus) freedom struggle and Pakistani side freedom struggle. Like Ayesha said M K Gandhi made the diiference. Here it was a mass movement earning for freedom but in Pakistan side , it was more an elitist movement. This is also thd pivotal reason for nation building after independence. While it was quest for nation building in India, over there it became power capturing.
Ayesha Jalal contradicted herself on media. At one point she said that media is free and vibrant but at about 1:02:10, she says that media are controlled by the military. It seems she is unable to look at issue objectively.
India is happy and thankful to jinnah 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Imagine being a terrorist hotbed, islamists, suffocating environment of pakistan, not open to reforms. India is lucky. We have our problems but we want to change. That's India. Urge to change and improve.
1947 - Assembly of 300,000 Khaksars in Delhi to Overturn British Rule When Allama Mashriqi called for 300,000 Khaksars to assemble in Delhi on June 30, 1947, the Government not only fast-forwarded transfer of power, but also imposed section 144 in Delhi and formed police pickets on all entries into Delhi. There were standing orders to arrest the Khaksars entering Delhi. In this photo, policemen are conducting a search of a Tonga in Delhi. According to the Khaksar circle, the overthrow of British rule was around the corner, but Muslim and Hindu leaders were directed to accept the partition of India before June 30th (which they did). These leaders ruined the pride of the Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and others for not conquering the Indian sub-continent’s (now Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh) freedom. Pursuing a transfer of power also speaks loudly to the fact that these leaders did not have power in the streets.
Highly educated people of Pakistani knows very well their Root is hindu not arab not turkey they have good study about geography hope Pakistani new generation will be knows truth and hate will be reduces about Hindus it will take time but m sure after two three generation their will be no conflict in Indian continental India Pakistan Bangladesh will be one country most popular in the world. Ham hamesha pyar batate aye hai vasudev kutumbam humanity is religion 🙏
Allama Mashriqi's grandson, Nasim Yousaf (Scholar & Historian), books article, and thoughts on the partition of India can be found on the following links: archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY facebook.com/nasimyousaf.26 facebook.com/AuthorNasimYousaf/photos/?tab=album&ref= czcams.com/play/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY.html
Muslims from the West came and ruled majority Hindu area(not a single country) for 1000 years(and made it one homogenous country) as a minority Muslim group by force that is the Muslim army...
@@shivavenkat3534 wow such disrespect, Subhash himself was a Communist and his socialist policies are very well recorded and it's so well ingrained that you'll find every other Bengali to be a socialist. Subhash himself formed All India Forward Block, and his Communist ideals are very well alive in Forward Block although they are very irrelevant today because of the militant hindu nationalism... But to say that Sugata Bose is nehruvian is blasphemy. He is a socialist just like Subhash himself. Also Subhash would not have liked himself been put together with Savarkar, Golwalkar and Hedgewar as they are doing today.
Pakistani Military leader basically tried & successfully engineered humans minds of their people, as if they're robots.. By motivating them religiously, and implanting seed of eternal hatred in them from the very innocent childhood, and you're claiming it um.. um...um..sort of...a...a.. COLLATERAL DAMAGE ?? Waow.. Applauds to this country .!! 👏👏👏
If what the lady says is true that division happened based on provincial imperatives and not on the basis of religion, what was 'Do Qoumi Nazariya'? Hopefully, she has dealt with this in her book, which I doubt if it's worth a read based on what I hear.
1. If Pakistan is not a failing state what is she doing in America? 2. The history of Pakistan begins form 14.8.1947 before that everything is Indian history and even now. 3. The sum total of the Pakistan demand has lead to its creation it could not have been any other way. 4. The Isaeli's bought the land form the Arab's so they paid for it. But the sate of Pakistan has got it for free + 300 mln Rs equivalent to a dollar at that time+ the Navy and Military plus some charity from India. They just didn't get the land. It's very flawed to say that they just had got land, they are getting water for free. Their loan for dam was paid by India under the Indus water treaty. 5. Religion cannot be a basis of a state, Bangladesh has proved it. If, it is true than she should not remain in America. 6. Just as the Muslims have the right of self-determination the Hindus to have it too.
By your logic the history of Republic of India began a day after the creation of Pakistan, bottom line prior to the independence of both nations their was the artificial construct/prison that was British India, once this gargantuan prison unraveled, partition was inevitable....And Gangetics/Deccans need to refrain from making false associations with Mergarh, Mohenjandaro, Harrapa, Taxila, Gandhara and Kashmir, these are the heritage of Pakistan, land of the historical Indus Basin (Cradle Of Human Civilization) with its immense 9000 yr old urbanised history.
Many books were written about ancient India & India's history of independence. Hindus of independent India need to eschew Secularism as this "ideology" is very passionately appeases &"Blunt "the full hisrorical aspirations of the Hindus.
Allama Mashriqi's grandson, Nasim Yousaf (Scholar & Historian), books article, and thoughts on the partition of India can be found on the following links: archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY facebook.com/nasimyousaf.26 facebook.com/AuthorNasimYousaf/photos/?tab=album&ref= czcams.com/play/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY.html
Boudi, could you convert dada to Muslim?Why Pakistan was created? Please go through the lectures of Tarek Fatah. Boudi learn some mathematics and leave History, history is a subject which can be known by anybody.Boudi A for Afganistan, probably you forgot.
Absolutely. She says Muslims in India r discriminated and don't get jobs. What about the number of babies which muslims makee as a result of which no education no development
@@fazlulkarim9123 Allama Mashriqi's grandson, Nasim Yousaf (Scholar & Historian), books article, and thoughts on the partition of India can be found on the following links: archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY facebook.com/nasimyousaf.26 czcams.com/play/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY.html
Its ridiculous, funny and idiotic to even mention that Pakistan was not created in the name of Islam. You open up any speech of Jinnah, his meetings with congress/ British. If you cant read/listen to that, just look at country’s flag for God sake 🇵🇰 But Jinnah also specifically mentioned on record that equal rights for minorities as well. 1- If we take her logic, Israel 🇮🇱 was also not created in the name of religion. Since there are more jews living outside Israel than inside it! 2- If Pakistan was not created in the name of Islam, why only Muslims were migrating to Pakistan and not Hindus and Sikhs! 3- There are more Pashtuns in Pakistan than in Afghanistan. So now what to do! 4- Punjabi is more frequently spoken in Pakistan than Urdu. Since, Punjabi population is more in number. So as per her logic, make Punjabi your national tongue. You simply do not define/set your ideologies based on numbers! 5- Lastly, if we do consider her argument for a second. Has she accounted for all the millions of muslims that were butchered by Hindus/Sikhs while migrating towards Pakistan. That would have certainly resulted in a muslim numbers boom for Pakistan. Talking about 2050, it would have been a multiplier for our population
you need a brain transplant *** ; lived enough time with the donkey brain ! jinnah was a britihs stooge who was neither a Mussalman nor a humanist with rational idea ! he was a confused man whos each and every action was a substrate of hatred and confusion . he was muslim without reading quran and eating pork, wine and unislamic sexual desire > contacted TB AND DIED WITH IT
Let me guess, you are going to reference Chagla's book to back your statement. You people are a joke. If I were to talk about these matter regarding Gandhi, then you will die of shame, and your "Mahathma" Gandhi will no longer be "Mahathma". Why do you idiots forget that it was Congress who created Pakistan. You don't get the title of "The abassador of Hindu Muslim unity for not being a humanist. It certainly was the continuous ignoring tactics of Congress that provoked the Muslims. Jinnah had the narrative that minoirty in such large numbers cant be ignored simply put!
Irrespective of reasons for partition - it was essential for India's progress. We couldn't have set the course we didi with this lot. Pakistani people are deeply regressive socially and intellectually.
You've grown old Ms Jalal. You're just sugarcoating. With regard to Jinnah, he hated everything Hindu and this has been documented by none other than Bernard Montgomery in his Memoirs. You may wax eloquent in front of a not-so-update audience! Keep doing that!
With due respect, Pakistan historians give many stories. If Pakistan acronym is true, why Pakistan invaded Baluchistan? Why Kabalis, Army in civil uniform tried to invade Jammu-Kashmir?
Madam, no amount of whitewashing will do to hide Jinnah's crime of partitioning India which resulted in the killing of millions of people on both the sides of the border. His call for Direct action in 1946 ignited the powder keg and resulted in the mass killings in 1947. In contrast Gandhiji went on a fast unto death in Calcutta and literally brought the riots to an end within a week. Then he went to Naokali on a peace mission with his band of selfless followers from village to village on foot. Where was Jinnah, sorry, Mr.jinnah, did he at least issue a statement to halt the killings? He was egging the Punjabis to turn on each other and when the wholesale killings broke out he was busy negotiating the renting out of his mansion - flag staff with the U.S. ambassador. He did not even open his doors to muslim refugees. Did he ever utter a word of remorse for the loss of lives, the rapes, the pillaging that followed the partition. It was the British who played the biggest part in the partition of India. They wanted a client state bordering South-west Asia and the then Soviet Union and who else will fill such a perfect recipe except, jinnah. Further, the British wanted to reward their lackey who collaborated with them unabashedly, especially after 1940, when the Congress & all nationalists were clamouring for freedom. Remember they would have settled for the Dominion status in 1940. But the British did not hesitate to deny even such a modest concession even when their very survival was at stake. But jinnah did not bat an eylid to be the humble camp follower of the power hungry imperialists. No wonder that the lackey was rewarded with his pakistan. Did he ever give a single lecture against the British imperialism during his long career? He was a camp follower of the British imperialists and his successors are the camp followers of the U.S imperialists. Lastly, madam Jalal, you should have more intellectual integrity to call out the imperial machinations of the British, who currently happen to host you, indefinitely.
Example is in turkey. If you have a lot of control and popularity within the population, that will limit what the army can do. Another thing is after you won over the population, you can court marshall, and arrest members of the army if you find they are interfering. That will further consolidate your claim as a tough leader. You can also pass a referendum, however thats only if your popular with atleast 50 percent of the nation. However there will never be coups in Pakistan anymore, because the genrel public will not allow another one, they dont want another dictorship, so they will trust the democratic process
The problem with Pakistani and Indians is that they are unable to understand that a book is a book and particularly a research-based book is a document that reflects the point of view of its author in the light of his inferences. Inferences of an author may be wrong or maybe right. An author spends too much time in research so he/she in reference to commoners, in most of the cases has better knowledge and understanding. When the afresh author emerges and keeping in view the point of view of the previous ones, evolves a new theory, the old and older ones are discarded at once, this is unfair. Research is a continuous process particularly in History, it's a never-ending topic. The tragedy of History is that it is interpreted in the light of a specific era. The authors are projected for different reasons, purposes, and motives. The western authors have poor rather rubbish ideas on certain issues but due to global western domination, they are predominant as compare to the Eastern authors. Also, keep in mind older times of Historians are a better source but in respect to modern times, they are irrelevant. For me, every serious attempt at research is highly appreciatable.
If Jinnah wanted a Muslim majority Pakistan it is obvious that Urdu Speaking West Pakistan and Bengali speaking East Pakistan has to be carved out of India as the seeds of inability for Muslims majority can not have other communities has to complied with or else at a later date West Pakistan will create for East Pakistan. So it is logic for Hindu Maha Sabha to solve the future problem. So why HMS can't be held responsible for division of the country on religious lines
What is the condition of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan, what about the attack on Nankana Sahib in Punjab and conversion of Hindus in Sindh ?? At first mam have the strength to speak on these matters.
The struggle for Pakistan is rather misleading.The people who are not from the Indian subcontinent can be fooled easily.One Indian doctor from Pakistan army who was persuaded to stay back as they needed him very badly.Ones on Pakistan army function they were singing a song ,hans ke liya hai pakistan lad ke lange Hindustan.They used to ask him we hope you dont mind.Later around65 he came backto India. Instead of taking over India,they lost east Pakistan for which we are very sorry.
The long list of invidious comments here shows the prejudice which the Indian leanings are still broiling with. Her religion is not the question but what she is saying needs to be listened to --objectively. But that is not something the jingoistic mindset can ever achieve, perhaps.
After listening to the lecture my respect for the organisers is even more lower than the speaker. How could they let such ranting pass of as an intellectual deliberation. Every problem of pakistan can be traced to india , and every discussion on pakistan's pathetic state of affairs needs to be counterbalanced by a tirade against BJP / Hindutwa etc. She spoke about the poor state of muslims in India as reported in Sacchar committee report. AT LEAST THERE IS A COMMISSION TO LOOK INTO THE PROBLEMS OF MUSLIMS BY GOVT OF INDIA. In pakistan the hindu minority has been made near extinct to 0.5 percent of population . After partition it was around 18 percent or so. The poor lot of muslims in India are due to two reasons 1. They start from a very low base (They are all converts from lowest caste of hindus , meaning they were very poor, same with hindu dalits who did not convert)2. Their ANTIPATHY towards secular modern education , and flocking to MADRASSAH (yes india has about 200000 of them ) education , which teaches arabic , urdu and LOT OF ISLAM , hardly a curriculum that will lead to job or training and prosperity. PS : it was pathetic to see her husband Prof Sugata Bose roll over and did not correct her misrepresentations
Why waste so much time defending what is indefensible? Pakistan is a democracy ruled by Army. The narrative of Pakistan is what the Army wants at the moment.
Zia died because of MUBAHILA challenged by Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the 4th Caliph of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community to whom Zia wanted to arrest in a false case of abduction and killing of one Aslam Qureshi who is still alive. He was an Ahle Hadis and considered All Sunnies as Mushrikin.
Now Muslims in India can understand why MUHAMMAD ALI JINNAH Got Pakistan for Muslim. if BJP remains 10 years more in power then all other minorities understand that. Pakistan zindabad
Pakistan gets 5.7 gdp growth rate(2016) near to indian 7% . Indian compare their country with Pakistan . However 1970 china and india reformed their economies china is super power and india an other africa of hunger and poverty. Besides 6th terrorist hit country on the Earth . India rejected seat in security council and nsg membership . It failed to win big role not in Asia but even in south Asia. No big achievement except 2 aircaraft carriers and mars mission . On the whole india is icon of hunger.
Mr Rizwan Pak gets 5.7 Gdp in Tererisom Industry,you Don't Compare with India and China about Gdp And Corporate Sector,Pak one Of The Failed Country in Humanbeing and Development In The World , You Don't Care Indian Hunger And Proverty ,India Arrange Food Secured for Anyone
Prof. Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed’s books 1. Pakistan : the garrison State and 2. Jinnah : his success, failure and role in history , are full of evidences and datas which contradicts Ayesha Jalal.
مصنف نسیم یوسف نے تقسیم ہند کے بارے میں بہت پہلے اپنے خیالات لکھے تھے۔ اب پروفیسر اشتیاق مسٹر یوسف کے بہت سارے خیالات کو دہرا رہے ہیں۔
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www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY
Must Read: "India & Pakistan Owe their Freedom to Allama Mashriqi"
archive.org/details/india-pakistan-owe-their-freedom-to-allama-mashriqi
Author Nasim Yousaf's (Allama Mashriqi's grandson) views about Jinnah, Gandhi & the partition of India
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We ( myself Victoria Miroshnik and Dipak Basu) have analyzed this issue in our book, India as an organization, published by Palgrave-Macmillan. The thesis of Ayesha Jalal was wrong. Jinnah was recruited by the British in 1934 to create a new state where the British Army could stay to protect the Middle East from the Soviet Union and the sea route between the Suez Canal and Australia. NS Sarila, who was the ADC for the last three Vice-Roys of India, wrote that in his book. There are two others who were recruited by the British: Gandhi in 1915 and Ambedkar in 1930.
British supported the Muslim League wholeheartedly from the beginning in 1906. In every riot, British police took the position to support the Muslims. That was obvious in August 1946 in Calcutta, then in Noakhali, and Chittagong in East Bengal. Pakistan was created by the British and Jinnah, Gandhi, Ambedkar were the British agents.
Gandhi planned Pakistan in 1943. He sent his plan to Jinnah through Rajagopalachari, but Jinnah wanted a corridor through India which Gandhi could not agree with.
Greetings madam from India. I am so delighted to listen to all your talks on youtube. I have gained so much respect and admiration for your talks and intellect. Pakistan should be proud of you.
@Charanjeet sharma lynchistan...is the one answer ...
There seem to be so many excuses for Pakistan including the writing of its constitution. The very idea of a religiously fleshed out state is odious. It will rile Pakistanis if it’s pointed out to them that they share this distinction with Israel.
The truth of the matter, and forgive me, if some of you find my comments unforgivable, but the truth is partition took place because Britain wanted to ensure that its security interests in this vast country, in terms of military bases would not be compromised after withdrawal. The sceptre of communist Russia looking towards the Middle East beyond the Persian Gulf represented a vulnerability as far as the British were concerned, and so, India was carved up because well, it could be an important buffer that a third-party rather fancied. This is not the only example of this, if you look at Eastern Europe, there are so many countries that were "created". Africa too, its easier to infiltrate what was a province yesterday vs an enormous geographic monolith, it isn't an astute way to spread the risk. It just so happened that at the time, this move for a bi-national State corresponded with what some community unrest, but in hindsight, we'd have been better served to slug it out and move on. Instead, we succumbed to splitting India along religious lines, and well, I'd have gone along with it until Bangladesh was founded, which in my view negated the entire premise. Its a shame. So many of us have so much generational history and yet find ourselves extrapolated away, or sectioned off by an impregnable border. I'm pleased to hear Ms Jalal's viewpoint but I don't agree with it all necessarily. We so frequently fall for the trap of hatred and blaming one another, it's quite easy to miss the broader point, we lost out on a lot. Its bizarre, this notion that as a Sikh or Hindu you have to move mountains to go to Lahore, a city drenched in history, culture and significance for more than the adherents of one particular faith. Or that as a Muslim, we can't visit Lucknow. Everybody deserves a round of fucking applause, fuck it lets just carry on hating...
Very true. They wanted a military base in Balochistan close to the erstwhile soviet union and they used Jinnah to get this, because the british knew that the Congress would never forgo the sovereignty of an undivided India.
NS Sarila, who was the ADC of the last three British Vice Roys of India wrote a book on this matter. He suggested in 1934-35 British decided to create Pakistan where the British Army can stay in case the British got to leave India in future. They recruited three politicians of India, Gandhi, Jinnah, and Ambedkar among others to execute their design. In 1945 Churchill called a meeting how to resist the Soviet Union entering the Middle East. He thought that Pakistan would provide the security of the Middle East for the British.
True! The End of Great Game by Hasan M. Sadiq beautifully explains how the partition was in the interests of the Brits.
HA! These are all rhetorical notions and nothing more than that. That's the narrative every single indian is instilled with. This amalgamation of fabricated lies and some selective truth is literally hammered into your heads. That's not history!!!!
It was an imperial project by Britain to partition India and to have a pliant buffer state dependent on Anglo American block
There is a qualitative difference btwn Indian (hindus) freedom struggle and Pakistani side freedom struggle. Like Ayesha said M K Gandhi made the diiference. Here it was a mass movement earning for freedom but in Pakistan side , it was more an elitist movement. This is also thd pivotal reason for nation building after independence. While it was quest for nation building in India, over there it became power capturing.
“Made nuclear bomb for peaceful reason”😂😂😂
Ayesha Jalal contradicted herself on media. At one point she said that media is free and vibrant but at about 1:02:10, she says that media are controlled by the military. It seems she is unable to look at issue objectively.
Why Dr Ambedkars suggestions of total transfer of Muslim community to Pak had not accepted.
Prof ishtiyaque ahmed is a better historian than ayesha
India is happy and thankful to jinnah 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Imagine being a terrorist hotbed, islamists, suffocating environment of pakistan, not open to reforms. India is lucky. We have our problems but we want to change. That's India. Urge to change and improve.
1947 - Assembly of 300,000 Khaksars in Delhi to Overturn British Rule
When Allama Mashriqi called for 300,000 Khaksars to assemble in Delhi on June 30, 1947, the Government not only fast-forwarded transfer of power, but also imposed section 144 in Delhi and formed police pickets on all entries into Delhi. There were standing orders to arrest the Khaksars entering Delhi. In this photo, policemen are conducting a search of a Tonga in Delhi.
According to the Khaksar circle, the overthrow of British rule was around the corner, but Muslim and Hindu leaders were directed to accept the partition of India before June 30th (which they did). These leaders ruined the pride of the Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and others for not conquering the Indian sub-continent’s (now Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh) freedom. Pursuing a transfer of power also speaks loudly to the fact that these leaders did not have power in the streets.
Reference plz.
@@mahmoodahmad8610 "India & Pakistan Owe their Freedom to Allama Mashriqi"
by Nasim Yousaf (Mashriqi's grandson)
archive.org/details/india-pakistan-owe-their-freedom-to-allama-mashriqi
Highly educated people of Pakistani knows very well their Root is hindu not arab not turkey they have good study about geography hope Pakistani new generation will be knows truth and hate will be reduces about Hindus it will take time but m sure after two three generation their will be no conflict in Indian continental India Pakistan Bangladesh will be one country most popular in the world. Ham hamesha pyar batate aye hai vasudev kutumbam humanity is religion 🙏
As a student of history it was a delight to hear your lecture ma'am
Allama Mashriqi's grandson, Nasim Yousaf (Scholar & Historian), books article, and thoughts on the partition of India can be found on the following links:
archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf
www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY
facebook.com/nasimyousaf.26
facebook.com/AuthorNasimYousaf/photos/?tab=album&ref=
czcams.com/play/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY.html
'Boyaa ped babool kaa aam khaa se paaye'.
Ms Jalal where in the world does the Army exercise direct control over its citizens & the narrative?
Muslims from the West came and ruled majority Hindu area(not a single country) for 1000 years(and made it one homogenous country) as a minority Muslim group by force that is the Muslim army...
@@faisalrehman8298 Lol.1000 years. Read proper history moron
Is the MP from Bengal a communist ? . Also BJP was referred as Hindu majoritarian party ... so is the Pakistan Muslim league a secular party ?
He's Sugata Bose from TMC. This AHole, is related to Subhash Bose, but he is a Nehruvian stooge.
He is not a Communist, his parents are in The Congress Party. He is from the party of Mamta Begum, a Muslim party imposed on India.
Dipak Basu, One doesn't need to be formal communist to be called a communist. Communist come in all colors and shapes but still are called communists.
@@shivavenkat3534 he is the husband of Ayesha Jalal (THEY NEVER EVER SAY THIS ) says it all
@@shivavenkat3534 wow such disrespect, Subhash himself was a Communist and his socialist policies are very well recorded and it's so well ingrained that you'll find every other Bengali to be a socialist. Subhash himself formed All India Forward Block, and his Communist ideals are very well alive in Forward Block although they are very irrelevant today because of the militant hindu nationalism... But to say that Sugata Bose is nehruvian is blasphemy. He is a socialist just like Subhash himself. Also Subhash would not have liked himself been put together with Savarkar, Golwalkar and Hedgewar as they are doing today.
Thank you mam for bringing Subhash babu's Indian army name that also added the reason for the British to think about India's independence.
Must Read: "His Majesty’s Opponents: Allama Mashriqi & Subhas Chandra Bose" by Nasim Yousaf (Historian & Scholar)
archive.org/details/allamamahriqiandbose
Pakistani Military leader basically tried & successfully engineered humans minds of their people, as if they're robots.. By motivating them religiously, and implanting seed of eternal hatred in them from the very innocent childhood, and you're claiming it um.. um...um..sort of...a...a.. COLLATERAL DAMAGE ?? Waow.. Applauds to this country .!! 👏👏👏
Professor jalal A Legendary lady I met ever
Oh God, when these Pakistanis will learn to speak the truth...?? Jinnah was secular? Really?? That was the biggest joke....😂
If what the lady says is true that division happened based on provincial imperatives and not on the basis of religion, what was 'Do Qoumi Nazariya'? Hopefully, she has dealt with this in her book, which I doubt if it's worth a read based on what I hear.
Y r always quoting british comments which is not always genuine.they r fox and wolf
1. If Pakistan is not a failing state what is she doing in America?
2. The history of Pakistan begins form 14.8.1947 before that everything is Indian history and even now.
3. The sum total of the Pakistan demand has lead to its creation it could not have been any other way.
4. The Isaeli's bought the land form the Arab's so they paid for it. But the sate of Pakistan has got it for free + 300 mln Rs equivalent to a dollar at that time+ the Navy and Military plus some charity from India. They just didn't get the land. It's very flawed to say that they just had got land, they are getting water for free. Their loan for dam was paid by India under the Indus water treaty.
5. Religion cannot be a basis of a state, Bangladesh has proved it. If, it is true than she should not remain in America.
6. Just as the Muslims have the right of self-determination the Hindus to have it too.
By your logic the history of Republic of India began a day after the creation of Pakistan, bottom line prior to the independence of both nations their was the artificial construct/prison that was British India, once this gargantuan prison unraveled, partition was inevitable....And Gangetics/Deccans need to refrain from making false associations with Mergarh, Mohenjandaro, Harrapa, Taxila, Gandhara and Kashmir, these are the heritage of Pakistan, land of the historical Indus Basin (Cradle Of Human Civilization) with its immense 9000 yr old urbanised history.
Straight forward and cogent arguments. ....unbiased views must be appreciated...
Many books were written about ancient India & India's history of independence. Hindus of independent India need to eschew Secularism as this "ideology" is very passionately appeases &"Blunt "the full hisrorical aspirations of the Hindus.
Your books are an intellectual treasure. Currently reading "Partisans of Allah".
Biased and very basic understanding of Islam. It's sad that she is considered a learned person.
Allama Mashriqi's grandson, Nasim Yousaf (Scholar & Historian), books article, and thoughts on the partition of India can be found on the following links:
archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf
www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY
facebook.com/nasimyousaf.26
facebook.com/AuthorNasimYousaf/photos/?tab=album&ref=
czcams.com/play/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY.html
Boudi, could you convert dada to Muslim?Why Pakistan was created? Please go through the lectures of Tarek Fatah. Boudi learn some mathematics and leave History, history is a subject which can be known by anybody.Boudi A for Afganistan, probably you forgot.
Pakistan was a gift by the British.
Do have any book written by Jinnah ji even letters
Why write books?
Jinnah didn't written any book,any story,any document,any autobiography.
AYESHA JALAL IS THE WIFE OF SUGATA BASU . SUGATA BASU IS MP OF A RULING POLITICAL PARTY FROM WEST BENGAL KNOWN FOR RIGGED ELECTION
She used her best brain to show case the face of saint but word knows the who is inside.
Absolutely. She says Muslims in India r discriminated and don't get jobs. What about the number of babies which muslims makee as a result of which no education no development
Hi. I am from India. I would like to read the writings of Dr. B. R. Ambedkar. It may be helpful to understand the undivided India better.
Sorry I would like to request her to read the writing of Dr. Ambedkar
@@fazlulkarim9123 Allama Mashriqi's grandson, Nasim Yousaf (Scholar & Historian), books article, and thoughts on the partition of India can be found on the following links:
archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf
www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY
facebook.com/nasimyousaf.26
czcams.com/play/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY.html
Well explained
Do you have any book or letter so that we know about him
Mukul Tiwari. Read
1. Jinnah of Pakistan by Stanley Wolpert
2. Jinnah Papers - National Archives of Pakistan
Its ridiculous, funny and idiotic to even mention that Pakistan was not created in the name of Islam.
You open up any speech of Jinnah, his meetings with congress/ British. If you cant read/listen to that, just look at country’s flag for God sake 🇵🇰
But Jinnah also specifically mentioned on record that equal rights for minorities as well.
1- If we take her logic, Israel 🇮🇱 was also not created in the name of religion. Since there are more jews living outside Israel than inside it!
2- If Pakistan was not created in the name of Islam, why only Muslims were migrating to Pakistan and not Hindus and Sikhs!
3- There are more Pashtuns in Pakistan than in Afghanistan. So now what to do!
4- Punjabi is more frequently spoken in Pakistan than Urdu. Since, Punjabi population is more in number. So as per her logic, make Punjabi your national tongue.
You simply do not define/set your ideologies based on numbers!
5- Lastly, if we do consider her argument for a second. Has she accounted for all the millions of muslims that were butchered by Hindus/Sikhs while migrating towards Pakistan. That would have certainly resulted in a muslim numbers boom for Pakistan. Talking about 2050, it would have been a multiplier for our population
Ayesha Jalal is a genius
How come? she is pure ISLAMIST, nothing more. She is married to Bose?
you need a brain transplant *** ; lived enough time with the donkey brain ! jinnah was a britihs stooge who was neither a Mussalman nor a humanist with rational idea ! he was a confused man whos each and every action was a substrate of hatred and confusion . he was muslim without reading quran and eating pork, wine and unislamic sexual desire > contacted TB AND DIED WITH IT
Let me guess, you are going to reference Chagla's book to back your statement. You people are a joke. If I were to talk about these matter regarding Gandhi, then you will die of shame, and your "Mahathma" Gandhi will no longer be "Mahathma". Why do you idiots forget that it was Congress who created Pakistan. You don't get the title of "The abassador of Hindu Muslim unity for not being a humanist. It certainly was the continuous ignoring tactics of Congress that provoked the Muslims. Jinnah had the narrative that minoirty in such large numbers cant be ignored simply put!
yet he fucked nehru and gandhi over and created pakistan.
@@muhammedirtaza4986 Congress ignored Muslim league not Muslims.
Irrespective of reasons for partition - it was essential for India's progress. We couldn't have set the course we didi with this lot. Pakistani people are deeply regressive socially and intellectually.
Do you know got this party
There was no struggle for Pakistan, just massacres for 0akistan.
You've grown old Ms Jalal.
You're just sugarcoating.
With regard to Jinnah, he hated everything Hindu and this has been documented by none other than Bernard Montgomery in his Memoirs.
You may wax eloquent in front of a not-so-update audience! Keep doing that!
Nobody wants to ask any questions !!!!!
With due respect, Pakistan historians give many stories. If Pakistan acronym is true, why Pakistan invaded Baluchistan? Why Kabalis, Army in civil uniform tried to invade Jammu-Kashmir?
Madam, no amount of whitewashing will do to hide Jinnah's crime of partitioning India which resulted in the killing of millions of people on both the sides of the border. His call for Direct action in 1946 ignited the powder keg and resulted in the mass killings in 1947. In contrast Gandhiji went on a fast unto death in Calcutta and literally brought the riots to an end within a week. Then he went to Naokali on a peace mission with his band of selfless followers from village to village on foot. Where was Jinnah, sorry, Mr.jinnah, did he at least issue a statement to halt the killings? He was egging the Punjabis to turn on each other and when the wholesale killings broke out he was busy negotiating the renting out of his mansion - flag staff with the U.S. ambassador. He did not even open his doors to muslim refugees. Did he ever utter a word of remorse for the loss of lives, the rapes, the pillaging that followed the partition. It was the British who played the biggest part in the partition of India. They wanted a client state bordering South-west Asia and the then Soviet Union and who else will fill such a perfect recipe except, jinnah. Further, the British wanted to reward their lackey who collaborated with them unabashedly, especially after 1940, when the Congress & all nationalists were clamouring for freedom. Remember they would have settled for the Dominion status in 1940. But the British did not hesitate to deny even such a modest concession even when their very survival was at stake. But jinnah did not bat an eylid to be the humble camp follower of the power hungry imperialists. No wonder that the lackey was rewarded with his pakistan. Did he ever give a single lecture against the British imperialism during his long career? He was a camp follower of the British imperialists and his successors are the camp followers of the U.S imperialists. Lastly, madam Jalal, you should have more intellectual integrity to call out the imperial machinations of the British, who currently happen to host you, indefinitely.
The question is can u reverse the military control now?
Example is in turkey. If you have a lot of control and popularity within the population, that will limit what the army can do. Another thing is after you won over the population, you can court marshall, and arrest members of the army if you find they are interfering. That will further consolidate your claim as a tough leader. You can also pass a referendum, however thats only if your popular with atleast 50 percent of the nation. However there will never be coups in Pakistan anymore, because the genrel public will not allow another one, they dont want another dictorship, so they will trust the democratic process
The problem with Pakistani and Indians is that they are unable to understand that a book is a book and particularly a research-based book is a document that reflects the point of view of its author in the light of his inferences. Inferences of an author may be wrong or maybe right. An author spends too much time in research so he/she in reference to commoners, in most of the cases has better knowledge and understanding. When the afresh author emerges and keeping in view the point of view of the previous ones, evolves a new theory, the old and older ones are discarded at once, this is unfair.
Research is a continuous process particularly in History, it's a never-ending topic. The tragedy of History is that it is interpreted in the light of a specific era. The authors are projected for different reasons, purposes, and motives. The western authors have poor rather rubbish ideas on certain issues but due to global western domination, they are predominant as compare to the Eastern authors.
Also, keep in mind older times of Historians are a better source but in respect to modern times, they are irrelevant. For me, every serious attempt at research is highly appreciatable.
Remarkable scholar, learned and believable.
Rizwan Ali India has put flag on moon and will be third largest economy in 2030.
Flag on moon?when?
Hahahahaha kya pee liya hay...
haven't u heard anything about chandrayan 1....indian flag is already there bro.
She is right from the eyes of muslim.
If Jinnah wanted a Muslim majority Pakistan it is obvious that Urdu Speaking West Pakistan and Bengali speaking East Pakistan has to be carved out of India as the seeds of inability for Muslims majority can not have other communities has to complied with or else at a later date West Pakistan will create for East Pakistan. So it is logic for Hindu Maha Sabha to solve the future problem. So why HMS can't be held responsible for division of the country on religious lines
I don’t know why I don’t like these so call desi liberals or seculars.
They have never inspired me.
About Pakistan
What is the condition of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan, what about the attack on Nankana Sahib in Punjab and conversion of Hindus in Sindh ?? At first mam have the strength to speak on these matters.
The struggle for Pakistan is rather misleading.The people who are not from the Indian subcontinent can be fooled easily.One Indian doctor from Pakistan army who was persuaded to stay back as they needed him very badly.Ones on Pakistan army function they were singing a song ,hans ke liya hai pakistan lad ke lange Hindustan.They used to ask him we hope you dont mind.Later around65 he came backto India. Instead of taking over India,they lost east Pakistan for which we are very sorry.
his song is about to come true now..
Zalim Khan Sadly that song is jinxed. It was Bangladesh, then. Next, Balochistan. keep singing.
@@zalimkhan1456 - we are still waiting. In the meanwhile your PM IK is begging from people across the globle to help PK stay afloat - economically.
15:37 pakistan
Jinna s dangerous politics killed innocent hindu sikh in West Punjab,
Ayesha Jalal has lost her edge .....imo, she seems less sharp now !
Sikander jinnah pact cleared way for the rise of the muslim league
The long list of invidious comments here shows the prejudice which the Indian leanings are still broiling with. Her religion is not the question but what she is saying needs to be listened to --objectively. But that is not something the jingoistic mindset can ever achieve, perhaps.
After listening to the lecture my respect for the organisers is even more lower than the speaker. How could they let such ranting pass of as an intellectual deliberation. Every problem of pakistan can be traced to india , and every discussion on pakistan's pathetic state of affairs needs to be counterbalanced by a tirade against BJP / Hindutwa etc. She spoke about the poor state of muslims in India as reported in Sacchar committee report. AT LEAST THERE IS A COMMISSION TO LOOK INTO THE PROBLEMS OF MUSLIMS BY GOVT OF INDIA. In pakistan the hindu minority has been made near extinct to 0.5 percent of population . After partition it was around 18 percent or so.
The poor lot of muslims in India are due to two reasons 1. They start from a very low base (They are all converts from lowest caste of hindus , meaning they were very poor, same with hindu dalits who did not convert)2. Their ANTIPATHY towards secular modern education , and flocking to MADRASSAH (yes india has about 200000 of them ) education , which teaches arabic , urdu and LOT OF ISLAM , hardly a curriculum that will lead to job or training and prosperity.
PS : it was pathetic to see her husband Prof Sugata Bose roll over and did not correct her misrepresentations
Why waste so much time defending what is indefensible? Pakistan is a democracy ruled by Army. The narrative of Pakistan is what the Army wants at the moment.
Her husband is the grand nephew of Bose, so no wonder she gave extra importance to the INA for the freedom of India !
Intellectual Beauty❤
Excellent talk
Zia died because of MUBAHILA challenged by Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the 4th Caliph of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community to whom Zia wanted to arrest in a false case of abduction and killing of one Aslam Qureshi who is still alive. He was an Ahle Hadis and considered All Sunnies as Mushrikin.
Now Muslims in India can understand why MUHAMMAD ALI JINNAH Got Pakistan for Muslim.
if BJP remains 10 years more in power then all other minorities understand that.
Pakistan zindabad
What about muhajirs and ahmadis who were voted for pak and most importantly bengalis
Controversial
Ayesha Jalal, DON'T YOU USE MAKEUP?
Mam ur so realistic ... I must read u r book
Jinna was AlBagdadi who created islamic state .
Who created muslim league ? Why he join it
All lies bloody hell pak means pure and sthan means land so it's pure land not what she's saying
Pakistan gets 5.7 gdp growth rate(2016) near to indian 7% . Indian compare their country with Pakistan . However 1970 china and india reformed their economies china is super power and india an other africa of hunger and poverty. Besides 6th terrorist hit country on the Earth . India rejected seat in security council and nsg membership . It failed to win big role not in Asia but even in south Asia. No big achievement except 2 aircaraft carriers and mars mission . On the whole india is icon of hunger.
What about Pakistan? A country of starvation, rapists and child molesters.
yes,the country with the rape capital of the world isnt a country of rapists, Pakistan is.
We started reforms only1991.do not give false information.
Mr Rizwan Pak gets 5.7 Gdp in Tererisom Industry,you Don't Compare with India and China about Gdp And Corporate Sector,Pak one Of The Failed Country in Humanbeing and Development In The World , You Don't Care Indian Hunger And Proverty ,India Arrange Food Secured for Anyone
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