The Pity of Partition : Jaipur Literature Festival
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- Ayesha Jalal in conversation with William Dalrymple
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Truth is ugly and telling it is uglier, because it cuts through the flesh. Sadaat Hasan Manto became an outsider and an outcast after he settled in the newly created Islamic State of Pakistan preceded by the partition of British India in 1947. Most of the ugly truth he spoke through his writings was not digestible by his compatriots in West Pakistan. However, his gospels are no more unheard and unappreciated. We, as Bangladeshis, revere him as a writer and a thinker. We understand his perspectives and that is why, he will always be celebrated for his truths which most Pakistanis still find unsettling. Telling the inconvenient truth is nobler than keeping the mouth shut in the face of the fear of rejection and criticism. Manto is a champion of truth and partition of India is the greatest tragedy for all of us in the subcontinent. I regret we lost such a versatile genius too early. Our whole political history is really a matter of pity. We cannot undo history. But we can at least try to heal the wounds of it.
NO healing . We will make sure the cut stays deeper. Jihadi is awalys a jihadi and Bullet is the solution. Thank you stay in Pak... From Himachal India. Do no dare to come here specially in Himachal.
This some of the most dumb things I’ve ever heard, he literally most celebrated in Pakistan and Pakistan was secular until 1973 and their was no truth that was not digestible or unsettling for Pakistanis on what he said. And there literally no Bangladeshi that celebrates him or even knows him barely
She is so brilliantly expressive.Not seen her likes a lot!
She is a liar. Choosing some part and leaving others. A distorted history
Calling someone a liar is quite extreme. Surely all historians chose what to focus on? Instead of being glib support your statement with examples.
Yes she's a blatant liar.
In her version of history of partition, while talking about Jinnah, She does not present the truth rather concealing the demonic and selfish nature of Jinnah. Jinnah was after his own personal gains and not for Muslims of the subcontinent. He didn't gave a shit about the millions of Muslims who'll be left in Hindu majority India, and went with his agenda for personal gratification. He was a failed statesman and poor administrator with no vision.
U should see the video of Dr. Ishtiyaq Ahmed who has debunked the fishy and factless theory of Ayesha Jalal.
YES. Ayesha Jalal and Ayesha Siddique both.
Its called selective memory. On one hand you call Direction Action day and then write short stories about terrible life. Naturally once you call direct action day you need to be prepared for consequences. Till date Pakistan has not apologized for Direct action day. Without an apology, artists can't be allowed to work in Mumbai entertainment industry no matter how brilliant their art. They need to own up their people who preach hate. Uproot those people from civic society and then talk art.
We 🇮🇳 thank Jinha for creating Pakistan and successfully Seggrigating the Jihadis..
Had he not created Pakistan, the condition of Bharat would have been just like current situation of Pakistan...
Also he helped us in dividing the strength of muslims effectively and so by doing it we 🇮🇳 indians got saved....
After a certain percentage of muslim population in a non islamic state would always turns out to a a disaster for the nation....
Thanks Jinha....
What you are saying is nonsense
Jinnah did not create Pakistan it was gifted to him by the intransigence of the Congress and the recalcitrant Nehru. Jinnah did not wish for a division. Otherwise I would have to deal blithering buffoons like you.
India is now in the top 10s. Without removing Pakistan, India couldn't achieve this record. Because Muslim majority states will have to share the fate of kashmir.
She is a Pakistani, she defends her country. Muslim League give people Islamic Pakistan, Congress gave a secular india. We should never forget history.
Arastushukooh its to stop islamization of this country, don't speak if you don't know shit Congress turned from secular to muslim appeasers just for vote bank politics
@Aslan Pak Sar Zameen lol
@Aslan Pak Sar Zameen jokers , muslims don't have caste system ? Just because rapes are not reported that doesn't mean there is no rape in ur beloved country ...This thing even can't claim by most developed countries that there is no rapes in their country.. Muslims only brag about shortcomings of others religions except their own ...u see no free speech ...😒 Right wing is everywhere now because of muslims ...look at Europe
@Atique Mirza look who is talking ... secularism 🤔😒
@@PoonamAswal458 ,Islam doesn't have a caste system.Please educate yourself.
BRILLIANT LADY. VERY IMPRESSIVE. MANTO WAS AND IS A HERO.
Anglo Mohammedan Alliance
A white British agent interviewing Dolores Umbridge whose minister of magic was Jinnah. Pity
Thank you very much for posting this.
Sir& Madam,there is no pity of partition of india.
The real pity is that indian muslims ditched Mr Jinnah and stayed back.
Recall the English proverb:
We will have our cake and eat it too.
As of now muslims both in india and pakistan are severely aggrieved and enormously unhappy at their conditions vis a vis hindus across the globe including their homeland india.
The fact is pakistani elite as well as
Indian ashrafi muslims enjoy aggravating grievances and unhappiness of muslims in pakistan as well as india.
Second question from that Girl was very nice and well answered too
Good thing the country was partioned as per 1946 ballot results of Muslims. Only sad part was the partion should have been done as per Dr.Ambedkar suggestion.
Partition of Indian subcontinent
was unpardonable sin committed by the political personalities .
The prophecy of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose ( who vehemently opposed the partition of India),has become true.
He warned the then leadership of India, that it would leave the
whole sub continent into complete ruination.
Politically, Socially, Economically and Culturally.
If we could live Unitedly , this
part of the world would have been a source of inspiration for the rest of the countries.
Jai Hind.
the only sane comment i got to read here on this video.
Ironically her husband Sugata Bose is a grand nephew of Subhash Chandra Bose!
Also Subhash Chandra Bose was a Ardent follower of Fascism and Nazism Philosophy. So I can Imagine with out Partition, Muslims world have to Suffer the same faith as Jews in Italy, Germany, Poland, Sweden, Austria and France.
You want 250 million more terrorists? You are an absolute nut case. Nusrat Rizvi, Palm Beach Gardens FL, US
@@Nuamsi are you out of mind? he was not a follower of nazi thought. he was just using nazi germany against britain.
My past Landlord is 95 years old and she told me that there were not a lot riots taking place in Mumbai !
This woman should not be allowed in India, leave alone giving her a platform to speak.
She speaks badly of India, Indians, and Hindus in particularly.
Where ? Can you quote or point out?
Her husband is Hindu (Sugata Bose, grand nephew of Subhash Chandra Bose). She must hate her husband ;)
@@utep3 Imran Khan hates Jews, screwed first the Jewish mother and then married the Jewfish daughter - supposedly converting her to Islam.
Did he stop hating the Jews?
Go figure.
@@utep3Saba naqvi husband is also a brahmin hindu but it didn't stop her from being radical Islamist
The last chance to preserve the unity of india was the Muslim leagues cabinet mission plan which asked for autonomy for Muslim majority provinces but was outrightly rejected by congress leaders. Even the partition of Bengal and the Punjab was a congress demand. It follows therefore that congress leaders were not overly interested in preserving the unity of India.
Don't simplify it..Look at the conditions of the drafts in Cabinet Mission..Jinnah wanted grouping of provinces..Two provinces(Bengal and Punjab) were muslim majority with significant non-muslim minority population with respectively 43% and 48%..Jinnah wanted the voting rights for only muslim populations in case of plebisite being held for these two states to exit out..He didn't want the non muslims to be given voting rights in case of a plebisite being held..
The congress should have accepted the cabinet mission plan in principle with other conditions being subject to further negotiations.
no unity needed after direction action day call. Has anyone made amends for direct action day as of yet ?
Partition is a bitter memory. Now we have to live with it. But next partition is impossible.
Why did India and Pakistan not hold an independent inquiry to fix responsibility for massacre of thousands of civilians?
Mughals are first lootera in our Hindu land
At least she puts to rest the lie/ persistent urban legend that Manto left due to a threat to his life.
Why is Ayesha Jalal talking about Manto, did
She came to festival to talk about him?
Vitriol against her is astounding! Yet her husband Sugata Bose is the grand nephew of Subhash Chandra Bose (grandson of Sarat Chandra Bose).
We Indians are in a peculiar habit rather tradition of responding with and to half-truth. Who insisted” भारत भाग ना होले उ बांगला होतेहुए हबे”
Was it theBritish Ruler?
Was it Zimba?
Was it Nehru?
No
The political person who insisted on division of the then Bengal Province was none but DrShyamaPrasad Mukherjee?
Tell this too why hide it?
DrBhim Rao Ambedkar had wriiten had India not been divided Muslims could have dominance in numerical sense which was not good for India!
Therefore we know and hate Zinaa but why should we adore those who were equally if not less responsible for the division and the happenings good or bad wrapped there in..
Why has theBritish been praised but Muslims called kata circumscribed andHindus great in Anandamath and Hindus deliberately chose banay Mataram as our national song?
Tell all these truths let listeners decide and find who landed us into the Indian inferno with nothing but egoistic mental state to live in?
If u denounce jinna that will be ok but to forgive Mukherjee it will be genoccidal meshing up
Minto Written about a Bald Farishta ( Bald Angel ), An articulate writing about his Time spent in Magistrate Office, A Magistrate Who finds His Writing as Offensive and levied Fine, Which the Magisyrate Himself paid to Pakistan Treasury from his Salary, due to poor Financial Situation of Minto's that Ayesha Jalal mentions.
Heartiest thanks to Jinnah for the partition. We are safe now from the Jihadis.😊
Fine analysis..
Just one querry.
Why did not the wife and other ladies of the family of manto want . To not to return to the country of origin.. Instead remain in lahore.. Pakistan.
What were their considerations . In this context. This I believe would deepen the insight and lend strength to further analysis of this subject. Thanku.
Gita. Bajpai. Vadodara.. Gujarat.. India..with origins of lucknow.. Uttar pradesh...
because they believed in Pakistan.
Sometimes people made personal decisions to live on one side, instead of the other, not on political bases, but for personal and economic reasons. They may have believed politically one way, but made decisions independent of politics.
Why people are so stupid!! TThey believed in Islamic Pakisthan They concidered India Darul Harb and not a Darul Islam. Muslims do not accept Non muslim Leadership.
Jalal😂 so German
फेक हिस्टोरियन है आयशा जलाल
I still think that had ill health and drinking hadn’t taken his life, Manto would’ve returned to India. He was too much of a free spirit, much like Qurratulain Hyder and Bade Ghulam Ali Khan ab.
Ayesha Jalal Ma'am, ❤️
JLF inviting fake historians 🤣
WE PAKISTANIS ARE VERY HAPPY THAT WE GOT INDEPENDENCE FROM TERRORIST COUNTRY INDIA.. THANKS TO ALLAH THAT WE ARE FREE NOW.. LIVING A VERY HAPPY LIVES...PROUD TO BE A PAKISTANI...
same here.....
wow. got lost you dont have any humanity left inside ,nor you cant articulate and form a single sentance without mistakes in English.
look at my comment and yours.
how mush civility you have.
am theist by the way.i dont believe in your god or any god you religious bigot.
These fuckers talking muslims home land.when hindus fight for freedom they waited when freedom is nearing they ask muslim homeland.why don’t they take all muslim from india if they are really care abt muslims. Hindus never seperate muslim becoZ we have sikh jain parsi marwadi christian,buddist.but jinna invoked muslim home land.why they invoke 6th century religion home land when they were belongs to some other religion before 6th century.if muslim homeland why don’t they merge with iran or saudi or Yemen.this lady muslim home land is bluff and fuck her 👄
I am glad that you are happy !! Indians too need to be eternally grateful to Jinnah.
If he - in his shortsightedness had not created partition - Muslims currently will be 40% of the population of the state of combined India - and so a dominant force within. :-)
And perhaps they would also be the most well educated and leaders of the Muslim world. :-)
So thanks to Jinnah - the Muslim population in the sub-continent now lies fractured and fragmented.
And BTW - even population size does not matter. Look how just 11 million Jews - more than over-dominate and crush the 1.9 billion Muslims worldwide. :-)
India a Terrorist Country ? Cat calling the kettle Black. The whole world is pissed with Pakistan's links to terror attacks and about be Blacklisted by FATF. You should be updated in current affairs. I thank Jinnah for initiating the partition. The crap of India migrated there so we got saved in India from the chaos it would have caused.