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  • Learn Electronics Repair #082
    Light Bulb Current Limiter FAILED
    One of the most useful devices you can have on your electronics work bench is a light bulb current limiter. This will prevent devices under test going BANG if there is a short circuit, and they are chap and easy to make.
    In this video I explain what a light bulb limiter is, and how to make one and how to use it.
    However there are situations where they will not help you, and in fact can hinder your repairs or cause you to waste time trying to diagnose a short circuit that isn't there. Watch this video to see one such example.
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Komentáře • 37

  • @ianhuxstep211
    @ianhuxstep211 Před rokem +15

    I used to use a dim bulb tester but found a lot of PSUs I work on have PFC's and quite often I will land up blowing the primary stage because the PFC is overcompensating. This is particular in TDK/ Lambda/ Coutant Industrial power supplies. I now just check across any mains input of an unknown PSU with my Huntran tracker or (octopus circuit) and see if I get a good capacitor charge, this usually tells me the bridge and Switch mode is good. I then start the PSU up on a Variable transformer (variac) and monitor voltage and AC current, yes the I may get a high current pulse as the PFC comes in and charges the caps. I've been doing it like this for years as I repair PSU's every day.

  • @user-pz6cx8zf2y
    @user-pz6cx8zf2y Před rokem +6

    For testing high power modern power supplies using active PFC circuit, one needs a test lamp power of at least the half of the nominal power of the psu. Otherwise problems like the shown one appear during testing. For example, a 750W psu needs lamp(s) of at least 300W of power for this test...

  • @knightwar3
    @knightwar3 Před 2 lety +4

    I just finished building my dim bulb current limiter with a 100w incandescent light bulb and tested it with a working psu the corsair cx600 and the light bulb does the same thing just flickering, glad that i've watched this video before otherwise I would have thought that is short thanks again

  • @tomluque
    @tomluque Před rokem +3

    If you measure the input voltage at the PSU, you may find that it is below the minimum needed to run the PSU.

  • @knightwar3
    @knightwar3 Před 2 lety +2

    Useful information thank you

  • @davidrobertson1980
    @davidrobertson1980 Před rokem +1

    "If it goes bang, yeah.... hope you enjoy it" HAHAHAHA Richard you are a funny man :D

  • @CXensation
    @CXensation Před 2 lety

    I wonder if a capacitor acrost the limit/live switch would solve the problem ?
    Something like 100nF/400v.
    The idea is to compensate for inductance in the filaments.

  • @faceboxtv4789
    @faceboxtv4789 Před 2 měsíci

    What is the formula to calculate the bulb wattage needed related to the device?

  • @surgingcircuits6955
    @surgingcircuits6955 Před rokem

    Good to know. I seemed that the longer you had it OFF, the better the chance it would act normal; as if ... a resistor was discharging the PFC cap ... which didn't have enough time if you did it On/Off quickly. Thx.

  • @t1d100
    @t1d100 Před rokem

    I do not mean this negatively; I just want to make sure that I understand. The DBT did not fail/break. It caused a phantom fault condition in the PSU? If so, I did not catch how the DBT could do that. I think that you did not explain it, but just said that it could occur. If I have all of this correctly, I would really like a video explaining the cause. My guess would be the PSU was starved for current, making it act oddly, but not shut off... Thank you for all that you do for us.

  • @byterock
    @byterock Před rokem

    Yeah a little Occam's razor going on here, one other problem that might effect using a Dim bulb is how hot the bulb is, it is a temperature coefficient resistor so even a few seconds at full resistance may stop it from working as expected. It is an old TV repair shop problem when looking for shorts, if you use you dim bulb too often in a row it will glow bright even without a short as long as there is sufficient amperage draw.
    Anyway the most likely reason is the one others have given you need a much bigger light bulb when working with a PFC.
    Dim bulb is really good for old linear PS and really old system such at a 5 valve radio.

  • @ohmware2020
    @ohmware2020 Před 3 lety

    mine, i use 50w incandescent bulb. it saves a lot of time, money, and effort in trounleshooting and diagnosing repairs, especially power supplies

    • @LearnElectronicsRepair
      @LearnElectronicsRepair  Před 3 lety +2

      Hi mu no,
      Yes 100% I agree these are very useful devices to build - every electronics workbench that is repairing mains powered devices should have one. I even have two of them!
      On this video I just wanted to highlight a situation I have found specifically with PFC in power supplies that causes the light bulb to come on bright even though the PSU has no load - giving a kinda false indication that the PSU has a short circuit load when it starts up (for example short circuit rectifier diode one a secondary 12V, 5V 3.3V etc)
      Once you realize that a good working PFC circuit can behave like this then it also saves you time money and effort in your diagnosis.

    • @ohmware2020
      @ohmware2020 Před 3 lety +1

      @@LearnElectronicsRepair exactly,... thank you for the videos you shared... more to come!

    • @user-pz6cx8zf2y
      @user-pz6cx8zf2y Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@LearnElectronicsRepairYou need a lamp of much higher wattage for this purpose. Please see also my other comment above.

  • @antoniosnikolaoy3754
    @antoniosnikolaoy3754 Před 2 lety

    Good evening from Greece, after I saw your video with the lamp I would like to ask you something, I have an amplifier in my house that burned out the output transistors, I changed them but when I open it the transistors heat up, I put the lamp in order and as soon as I turn it on the light comes on momentarily and then it stays on for a long time and then the transistors heat up but not so much, if you can please give me some idea why I did this, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

  • @Xorat
    @Xorat Před 3 lety +2

    Really interesting.
    Would a light bulb with Higher Watts Help ? But that could also defeat the purpose at the end of actually limiting , what do you think Richard ?

    • @LearnElectronicsRepair
      @LearnElectronicsRepair  Před 3 lety +2

      Hi Daniel
      I put a 160W limiter on to it and it still did the same. As you suggest, there is a pay off between the limiter and protection - for example, on a 1Kw lamp (like some old school Halogen outdoor floodlighting) the device you are trying to protect could still draw a good few amps and self destruct.
      I have only come across this issue with power supplies that have PFC and I think I described the problem pretty well (though I don't know the exact reason they act this way, there is a bit of supposition and guess work going on here)
      I also read that old audio amplifiers with JFETS can be destroyed by using this sort of limiter but I don't know from personal experience if that is true as I don't think I've ever worked on one

    • @alexluz7023
      @alexluz7023 Před 2 lety +3

      @@LearnElectronicsRepair hello nice enigma but i think you never used 160w because the bulbs are in parallel at least in schematic (making it as if it was around 40w total lol)
      one more hint, with 60w bulb the tester lights on and with both bulbs dosent even start.... it proves the current in were even less with both bulbs parallel and proves you are wrong in schematics and hardware!
      to work properly i think you should wire switch, bulb, bulb all in series
      keep the good work

    • @MrVeryCranky
      @MrVeryCranky Před rokem +3

      I've been using a 300 watt light globe in this manner for around 40 years. The globes he's using are insufficient.

    • @user-pz6cx8zf2y
      @user-pz6cx8zf2y Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@MrVeryCrankyYes, I also use a 300W halogen lamp with such high power supplies. Lower wattage cannot start up these units under repair. It needs to be at least half the nominal power of the psu, ideally the same power with it...

  • @cathound888
    @cathound888 Před 2 lety

    Will this work with led bulbs or do they have to be tungsten filament type?

    • @Aneesh.Asokan
      @Aneesh.Asokan Před 2 lety +1

      No, only filament type! Now a days, it's hard to get hold of one!😢

    • @cathound888
      @cathound888 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Aneesh.Asokan thanks Aneesh, though that would be the case, I just found a couple in an old box of bulbs I have in my shed🙂

    • @ianhuxstep211
      @ianhuxstep211 Před rokem

      Must be a filament, tungsten may work but filament is better.

  • @engineering8903
    @engineering8903 Před rokem

    Phantom FauLt😁👍👍👍

  • @Moonlightshadow-lq4fr
    @Moonlightshadow-lq4fr Před 5 měsíci

    The dim bulb didn't fail, it did its job! Just because you determined there is a short or fault does not mean the safety protections cirguit failed. Bit of click bait there!

  • @MrVeryCranky
    @MrVeryCranky Před rokem +5

    Your explanation of PFC is rediculous. This is acheived with chokes and capacitors. There is no such "boost" arrangement, the voltage on the capacitor will be around 340 volts, ie supply multiplied by aprox 1.4.
    Suggest you do some study before posting such claims.

    • @martinfairweather700
      @martinfairweather700 Před rokem +5

      You are kind of correct but…..you’re talking about passive PFC. Active or boost PFC is more common than you may think.

    • @ianhuxstep211
      @ianhuxstep211 Před rokem +2

      Sorry I don't agree, most switch mode PSU's will start up from around 80v therefore the PFC will act as a buck converter to give the 300 plus volts on the Bus capacitor. I work on a lot of industrial power supplies

    • @user-pz6cx8zf2y
      @user-pz6cx8zf2y Před rokem +2

      The PFC circuit (among other things) boosts the rectified (230V) mains voltage to around 385V and keeps this level stable on the terminals of the bulk capacitor for further processing...