What no one will tell you about acoustic guitar soundboards!
Vložit
- čas přidán 17. 12. 2020
- Want to help us make more content? Please consider becoming a member of our channel! It really helps us out. If this video helped you in particular, you can also say thanks with a super thanks!
Interested in tonewood for your next build? Please visit our personally curated tonewood shop at: www.driftwoodguitars.com/tonewood
Chris dives into what makes every piece of wood unique, and how its individual characteristics can affect its sonic footprint and structural integrity. - Jak na to + styl
Back in '67, I bought a Gibson J-50 brand new, made a year earlier. I paid $250 for it, which was a good bit of cash in those days. There were several of the same brand and model in the store at the time. I spent over an hour playing, picking, and strumming each guitar, intently listening to whatever subtle differences these beautiful instruments were "talking" to me. There was one that had a punchiness, brightness, crispness that sounded better, if only slightly, over it's mates. I knew that each and every one of these guitars had not become fully "awakened" at this stage in their young lives and that over time, and being played regularly, this one particular guitar would blossom into a very good sounding and playing instrument. I didn't know what the action was supposed to be, but I took it to a guitar technician to have him look at the set up features that might need adjustments, if any. I ended up walking out of this store, 250 bucks lighter, but the proud owner of a phenomenal guitar which I keep and played for many decades into the future. Yes, it did wake up several months later to become a very highly prized possession, a good friend, and an instrument that I could develop the type of music I was interested in playing, which at the time was folk/ bluegrass. In the mid '80s I had more than one offer from folks wishing I would consider selling it to them. Of course I refused their offers of 4 figures, near the 2 grand range. Later on during the Dubya Bush era and due to extreme financial hardships, I was forced to sell my J-50, which had been with me since a "baby". I got a decent price, but it cut my heart out ! It's never been replaced to this day, by any other guitar, sadly for me. That's my story about buying a good guitar out of a music store. Bob
Great story, but a bit sad. I am sure it found a good home. Go and get another one!
This broke my heart just reading...😢
As others stated this story broke my heart! I have an acoustic that i am extremely fond of to say the least. Last night my 2 year old dinged the top pretty bad and as i was steaming the ding out i was thinking that i would NEVER be able to find another acoustic i like this much. Your story just confirmed that for me!
@robertshorthill4153 - I vividly remember that during the Great Recession that began toward the end of the George W. Bush administration in late 2008 new guitar prices in shops soon began to fall as demand fell. In 2009 a shop in my area had a very large inventory of guitars and they must have needed to sell a lot of them cheap to boost their cash flow, because a friend of mine struck a deal with them to buy a new Gibson J-200 acoustic for only $1000. Nowadays new Gibson J-200s are typically about $5500. I've had my '67 Gibson J-45 since '67. I love it. I hope the day comes when you can get another great guitar.
Kind of like Leo Kotke’s song Tilt Billings and the Student Prince, but in reverse. Hey atleast you did not have to see it get ruined by a drunk sitting on it. 🫤
I have just learned more in 33 minutes about the art of woods being chosen for guitar construction than I've learned in the past 40 years! Super thanks, sir!
It stuns me to discover a 3000 year old buried spruce trunk could be fashioned into parts of a contemporary musical instrument. Sir, your videos , which I discovered serendipitously, are a fascinating revelation in so many ways.
Well said !
If you look up bogwood or morta, oldest have been dated around 5k... BC! These have been used for fingerboards, bridges...
That word 'serendipitously' is at least as old as that trunk they found
I'm from westvirginia and I remember going to the pentical the highest elevation in westvirginia a place called spruce knob the trees were 3 ft tall but the diameter was every bit 20 to 30 inches the reason was the intense wind kept them from growing straight up I would find it interesting to see you make a acoustic guitar out of that wood
Hey ! You are a guitar scientist man ! Thank GOD for guys like you. Thanks for sharing. You gave me such a profound understanding of guitars and wood. Next time I am going to spend lots of time listening to different guitars. Love from Mumbai, India.
Fascinating! Subbed! I have a hand built 12 string. The luthier kept the two book matched sound boards in a humidity controlled environment for 3 months before matching them. He said he would match them according to the natural curve they developed. The guitar is needless to say, still absolutely perfect after 36 years.
sounds like you know how to look after it too mate
Could you share the details of that luthier?
There are lots of videos that cover the building process of a guitar, but you provide in-depth knowledge and insight that goes deeper than the "how to" that I don't get from other channels. I've learned quite a bit from your videos - thanks and keep it up!
Your shop is absolutely stunning. They layout, the windows, all of it. Kudos!
Chris, thank you so much. This video is outstanding and there is nothing comparable among all the videos posted on CZcams. I really appreciate your work and craftmanship/knowledge!!!!! I hope I can try some of your guitars soon. And you really have talent for these kind of videos because you have so many things to say and you come across as very easy-going, kind and competent. It is really relaxing to watch your videos and share your passion for guitars. Greetings from Germany, Joe
Thank you for making us more aware of the woods that are used to make such wonderful music.
Well done, Chris... I can share this with some of the folks who fail to understand why the guitars that I have had you make for me are so exceptional when compared with some of the big name instruments in my collection. Keep on, keeping on... and Merry Christmas to you.
If you're interested in owning some of this, and many other fine tonewoods, go check out our website! www.driftwoodguitars.com/tonewood
This is the best wood info I've seen, I love the way you combine precise measurement with tactile, visual, and audio clues. I'm an old dude who's new to guitar building, and your description of factory built vs hand built reminds me of the difference between a custom built race bike and a touring bike from a dealership. I digress. Just acquired my first band saw, now to find a home for it in the shop.
Man, this was just a glimps of your extensive knowledge with these woods. you are incredibly talented.
Wonderful, thoughtful discussion. You appreciate "quantifiable" factors, and yet so much comes down to your experience. That's exactly what anyone would desire in a custom instrument builder.
Thanks for being a dedicated teacher about tonality. Subscribed and looking forward to learning much more.
Interesting about factory builds running pre selected thicknesses for mass top quantities. This is what I believe the result of that is. Out of 10 Martins, Taylor’s, or Gibsons, you play at the store 2 will sound open and 8 will not. It’s the law of averages!!!
This is very illuminating and I love this builders approach & mindset.
Wonderful sir, the way you explain, it makes us feel more about the wood...more than what its basic function is being a guitar top. Keep making more videos to guide us more.thanks
Wow, a fantastic video.!! I learned more from your video than dozens of others combined together.! Thank you, for making it
Wonderful video! Thank you for taking the time to make this.
So informative. As a Luthier in London I hope to one day actually start to build an acoustic. I enjoyed watching this very much :)
Very interesting,I like your way of explaining things, very clear and concise.
So informative - thanks for taking the time for this presentation!
I'm checking out as much sitka information as possible for sound boards. You have a wealth of knowledge ! Thanks !
I subscribed.
Yeah, really enjoyed your video and the depth of knowledge you articulately shared. I am fascinated by tonewoods and how the build approach and construction impacts the finished sound quality. Looking forward to more of the same my friend… cheers. K.
Holy crap, this video blew my mind. I'm just starting to do research for my first build, and your videos are the most informative I've seen. I've just finished reading chapter 4 of Somogyi's "The Responsive Guitar", which is all about the material properties of wood. I found this video to be an excellent followup to that.
Also, that ancient sitka is absolutely badass.
Puts my laminate Yamaha to shame lol
Wow that glacier wood guitar build is probably the most stunning acoustic guitar i have ever seen i paused the video for a long time looking at how beautiful the wood is and the craftsmanship is absolutely jaw dropping you sir are a master and the story behind the wood its history loved everything about this video thank u for spending your obviously busy schedule to show us your craft 👏👏
Excellent! Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and advice in a clearly understandable way. Very generous of you to do so. Very appreciated by us on our journey enjoying guitars- both playing and building.
Love to hear a knowledgeable artist talk about their work. Great video production and sound as well. Will be looking at more of your work.Thanks. An easy sub.
That was great! I learned more about tone wood and soundboards in this video than all others combined. Thank you!
How about a video on bracing, the affect radius plays in the tone of a top, gluing the radiused brace by forcing it flat the way Martin does or using a radiused gluing board like Santa Cruz or Huss and Dalton.
WOW! Truly informative. As a teenager I used to salvage spruce and cedar “blanks” that would eventually be used for guitar wood from an old growth logged out area on Haida Gwaii. Your video enlightened me as to what eventually happens to those 95mm X 1000mm blanks.
Thanks so much for all the info. I have lots to consider now for my first build.
Very interesting stuff here. Thank you. I've built a couple instruments but it's a skill I'm still working on. Love watching this kind of stuff
Very insightful! Thank you.
A super interesting insight into wood and tone. Thanks for sharing.
That was a Awesome video of explaining soundboard and bracing .
What a great find this channel turned out to be. Amazing content.
Thanks for this video. Very informative.
Fantastic information and presentation. I just recently discovered your channel and I'm loving it.
Love you videos explaing in detail about different woods
Wow i just checked out your website. You build some of the most beautiful instruments ive every laid my eyes on. Im sure they play and sound like a dream as well
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of soundboard qualities !
Great and honest information about wood and how different it is going to influence each instrument
Amazing video. Thank you!
I’ve been building guitars for about 1.5 years now and it’s a fascinating and absorbing hobby and this video really covers the tonewood topic better than any other I’ve come across so far. More please, awsome.
You also might want to listen to what José Romanillos has to say about soundboards.
Somewhere on the inter web I remember an interesting talk from Richard Hoover , also another from George Lowden. I’m a hobby luthier and am on guitar 7 . Greatest hobby - mainly because seasoned builders share so much to help us on our way- a great community
Truly excellent video. Back jn the late 1980's I acquired a dozen or more 1x12x1"(3/4" thick) Kiln Dried Quarter Sawn clear Douglas Fir shelving boards. Not a "soundboard wood" but very fine straight grain that when I resawed it into top wood and joined it the tops are truly excellent. The stiffness allowed me to make very thin tops with radically scalloped bracing. So far I have built two Drednaught Body guitars (1988 &.1990) with Black Walnut back, sides and neck with French Lilac fingerboards and bridges cut from 50 year old extremely dense tight grained boards. I air dried those logs for 5+ years. The neck and tail blocks are also Black Walnut. They were my first two acoustic builds. Both have cosmetic issues but play well and sound great. I learned by disassemblibg an old Guild D-40 that had been seriously abused. Found it in a pawn shop in NYC for $5. Those first two builds taught me a lit about building acoustic instruments. Now that I am retired from my "daycjov" I want to tackle building my most favorite stringed instrument... The Baroque Cello.
I love lilac wood, so pretty and nice to work with. Never seen it used as a fretboard, that’s sweet
You have a great knack for making good analogies to make your point! Love this video.
Thanks for explaining the tone woods in detail, very interesting
I love this- and your taking the time to explain all this
Thanks, nicely done, informative.
Just so interesting. I am so glad that I stumbled on your website. I am subscribed and plan on spending hours in your company. Thanks so much.
Well done. Very informative. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the video!
The last part about the users decission is so true, for every self respecting person.
I was going to ask if you go any thicker for the top, but you answered that, and also confirms that the feel is so important.
It must be nice to get the woods you prefer.
Your body designs look neat.
Superb presentation, especially breaking down the tonal characteristics of the more common top tonewoods in class terms.
I love your videos!!
Very informative and educational!!!
I'm looking forward to the video when it comes to the wood for back and side.😬😬😬
Thanks that was great information just found you on CZcams I’ll be watching for more videos thanks again
That 3000 years old spruce its just awesome, great video
Thank you 🙏obviously it was one of the most helpful video I've ever seen on building instruments, very valuable honest informations. I learned and enjoyed a lot. 🌹
Great history about the bridge wood - I never thought about that. Thank you!
Very well explained. I found this out in 96 when I bought a Takamine Sante Fe.....I played several of the same guitar and they all sounded so different. I had played one at a music store in Nachogdoches Texas and fell in love with it. Asked the salesman to hold it for me and I'd be back with the money...in the meantime I had to go to San Antonio for a VA appt....then Dallas a few days later to p/u a friend at the airport. I played the exact same guitar in 5 different stores....didn't care for any of them really. I finally got back to Nachogdoches and was starting to think I must have just imagined how it sounded. It was truly a special guitar....still have it....I've worn a hole through the top nearly from playing so much. Never heard this explained so well. Great job!
Your talking about overbuilding guitars prioritizing stability over efficiency. Every added mass counteracts the ability of the machine to flex and thus resonate. I get lost when woodworkers use magical language to describe their intuition based on years of experience. I believe most look at the top desired flexibility as being a physical touch and listening response rather than, "i just know when its ready or it speaks to me" which isnt what you said exactly but i,ve heard it said many times. Ive seen some builders use a more accurate/scientific approach. I forget the name but using a weight to show elastisity or movement under pressure. Overall very clear. One question though, how does one tell over time when the desired top is where it's most efficient. And how could we judge it to be so after the guitar is all together. How can we pinpoint it being the top that needs a change.
Very instructive video. Thank you!!
I really enjoyed this video. I like the educational aspect. Very informative for luthier and player alike. More videos like this would be cool.
Awesome segment- very interesting!!!
I recently discovered your channel. Really great stuff. I found this discussion fascinating. I am so interested to understand more about why particular instruments (pre-war Martins, Lloyd Loar mandolins) are so coveted for their tonal qualities and the physics behind it. There was an interesting article in a recent Fretboard journal about this topic (regarding Taylor's investigations into this area), which maybe you have seen. Thanks for this!
Nice to see someone who REALLY knows the nature of wood......respect.
knows this or believes this..has he made an ebony or rosewood top ? if not..how does he know? he doesnt..he believes..taylor make koa tops and thats a heavy hardwood..i havent heard one so i cant say if its crap..im guessing its not crap because taylor make it
Well I’ve made several Koa topped guitars and played a TON of Koa Topped guitars, and they do in fact sound subpar to Spruce. Sometimes, you don’t have to make a guitar from woods to know that the wood won’t make a good guitar. I don’t have to attempt to make a car out of cheese to know that it won’t make for a good car either!
@@mattyburrows9059 The idea of using light woods on tops is to decrease the inertia, so they will vibrate wider. That means, higher volume. And the hardness is also important, because soft woods filters treeble, and we want to collect the wider spectrum possible. Easy as that. Also, not mentioned but important, the sides and the back of the guitar are crafted in hard wood, as well as the fingerboard to reflect the soundwaves back to where we want, that means, the harmonic top and the strings, respectively.
@@hobetto4817 great explanation.so ideally you dont want knots or defects like martin tell you..you want them and they are sort after. they say..but you only find them bearclaw defects in cheaper their guitars....however..they still sound good.the taylor hardwood one they do sounds ok too.better than alot of softwood tops ive heard..so all that theory is missing something..on paper and theory the bee doesnt fly.weve seen it fly..ive heard the taylor..it sounded better than most in the shop.so the theory is nonsense pal..taylor have proven it
That just means you’ve never actually heard what a great guitar sounds like my friend. I’m sorry, but if you think a Koa topped guitar sounds great, then you just haven’t played a truly great guitar.
Not a builder or luthier. Just a long time player. This was a GREAT and very informative video. You guys do a great job. Thanks.
Wow! Very insightful and an eye-opener, so to speak. I learnt so much from this video.
My love for wanting to learn and enjoy playing a musical instrument, did not come by how it was made, or the looks or the sound that I made for the first time, but by hearing someone who could actually play it and make it sound good! My Love of the instrument and attachment came by learning to play it and making sounds that is good to my ear.
I love and admire your attention and care to building these. I just bought a Taylor GS mini and I do love it. It sounds woody and bigger than it is but man... I'd love to buy a handmade guitar from you because as you said the bigger names don't have the time to do things the way you do and they build for the masses. Thanks for great videos and sharing your knowledge
Amazing video! I had no idea about these concepts until today. Thank you.
Very nicely done! Thank you.
Excellent video. Great descriptions and explanations. Just what I was looking for from an independent (non big name) builder. You seem honest and transparent; which are uncommon traits these days.
I love hearing people talk about things they are super passionate about. Thank you!
very insightful... thank you !!
this was well done very informative thank you
i gave assumed much of this but i have learned so much about the instrument that i love. Just wanted to say i appreciate it and im hooked.
I’ve got some port orford that I can’t wait to use, the smell is very unique
excellent job! thank you!
I don’t even play the guitar I actually make electronic music , but I love watching these videos of people making guitars ... out of the hundreds I’ve watch none have ever explained the tone wood like you have here 🤘
I’m kinda new to this channel. I really like it. Great info. Really like your reviews too.
What a great video! Thank you!
Loved it man!!! Keep them coming!
Great Job!!! Ive listened to many versions of the top discussion and they are mostly general and also similar. YOURS was that and much more. Much more insight into the wood itself and how its true that acoustic guitars all have character that goes beyond just the wood species and the approach a builder must take when making those magical instruments that stand above and feel and sound and resonate. What you hear and what others hear you make from it. More please- body woods yes. I have s custom build that went very wrong due to the builders lack of sensitivity here. I hope to make it right some day but it will take tearing it back down again and starting over
Very good, super important information explained simply. Thank you.
very interesting information, this makes the specific instrument wood so preferable
I like your reference to the top being happy!
Well done, thank you.
that was great, very informative. You can tell this guy is an elite professional.
I love these stories that give depth of life to your guitars. The wonderful journeys of these woods, many of which may never have found a new life are inspirational. I built a semi-hollow electric out of the remains of a150 year old piano I found at at goodwill store. When I play it, I feel the wood's history and imagine the joy it brought to others in its former life. These things affect the emotion I put into my playing. I loved this video!
That could very well be red spruce if it was an American piano. Yeah, all those trashed pianos have a spruce soundboard, and all sorts of fun stuff, sometimes ivory keys, and ebony.
Very well done video, extremely interesting. Many things I knew, other things I did not think to consider. Thank you! Will be looking out for more and look for some of your finished guitars. Greetings from the beautiful Austrian Alps!
I have purchased a Martin guitar that ships tomorrow; I get to choose from two; your spectacular video is reassuring to me! Bravo and thank you so much
awesome presentation
Well done! I kind of thought these things mattered, but I wasn't sure how much. Now I feel like I really understand it so much better! This was such an informative video! I now feel embarrassed about the way I bought my last acoustic guitar, b/c I didn't consider these things. I'm thinking about building one for myself, so now I know many things to consider when selecting the wood. Whether I build or not, any guitars I buy from now on will be more thoughtfully selected! And, I'm now a subscriber!
Chris, I am a novice builder trying to sort out all of contradictory statements found on-line. Thank you for a very well thought-out and presented tutorial. You have given me a wealth of information.
Glad I could be of help!
Wow, very interesting . I’ve been playing guitar for 45 years and your video taught me more about soundboards than I have ever heard before , thank you .
Hello sir.
Where can i buy your guitar? Im from canada
I really like to have a guitar that you have made.🙏🏽
I never knew the complexity of the physics of a guitar...really insightful explanation...thank you 👍
Beautiful. Thank you
Fascinating! Would love to get your guitar