IDF Pistol Shooting Technique in 5 Minutes
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I'm a police officer in Texas and my neighbor is an old Israeli IDF soldier, he explained to me that the Tier 1 units carry a round in the chamber and the regular units carry condition 3, the reason why the carry condition 3 is because everyone has to do their time in the Israeli military and they don't want them to have negligent discharges.
Exactly Thats what he is saying too
@@TeamofwarriorsOrg Cool, l typed my comment before l finished watching the video, good because that issue of why the IDF carry condition 3 is the argument in lot of guns shops in my area, frankly l think everyone needs to carry condition one, carried my pistol and my rifle condition 1 for 26 years and never had a negligent discharge.
@@timoanez4668 yes agreed. Condition 1is definitely superior. This video only tries to get us to see a bigger perspective when u take into consideration the specific needs and priorities the IDF has
@@TeamofwarriorsOrg Gracias amigo.
@@timoanez4668 I am the person on this video. Served as a LE officer in a special team for many years. Im actually in Texas now (Austin area) would love to get together and do some training if you’re down. Be safe
Usually this topic becomes an argument over which technique is "better". It's refreshing to hear an objective explanation of the "why".
Just look at the posts. Most if not all the 'Muricans" on here are frothing at he mouth and yelling "Condition 1".
Few if any meaningful rebuttals.
@@mbogucki1 True, I'm not American but I support condition one for the main purpose of what if something happens to one of my arms? If I have been struck or shot, I wouldn't be able to use my gun at all even if I'm still able to fight. With condition 1, I would be able to use the gun one handed from the draw.
@@mbogucki1 because that silly part where you chamber a round is the part where the other guy shoots you in the chest. It may work for masses conscripted infantry in a semi permanent semi warzone, but I wouldn't do this for self defense as I don't wanna be dead or a vegetable.
@@mbogucki1 Sure, some people get overly bent out of shape on the topic. But I was talking about the presenter in the video.
And it's been a while since I watched it, but didn't he also say he preferred condition one carry?
The "why" is obvious. When you have a citizen soldier population from many backgrounds and different skill levels that are conscripted for short periods, safety is your main concern. Drills work.
In my opinion, condition 1 is the clear winner in almost every instance. Almost.
Condition 3 is the better choice in situations where you're dealing with carriers who are either training, low skill, or are participating in some sort of non-combat firearms activity such as a pistol shooting competition. Israel requires that all male citizens fulfill three years mandatory military service, and all female citizens fulfill two years service (there are limited exceptions, similar to the selective service program in the U.S.). No one is required to stay in the service after their time is up, but while they are there, they perform all functions of a member of the military. This means they learn to use firearms. And if you can imagine, the idea of teaching an 18 year old, who may or may not be particularly adept at military service, how to effectively use a pistol can come with some serious concerns for safety. For their purposes, the majority of Israeli soldiers should be carrying condition 3, and their technique is perfectly satisfactory. Soldiers who stay in the military as a career and are seasoned and well trained with firearms should carry condition 1.
Caveat; my preference for condition 1 comes from my being an American who carries a firearm as a civilian for personal protection, from being well trained and intimately familiar with that firearm, and from the fact that I carry a firearm with multiple internal safeties that make it difficult to have a negligent discharge without first being a complete idiot or irresponsible in some manner. Consider your own situation and always make the decision that's most beneficial for you.
I am a police officer in South Africa with 11 years service i am not attached to any specialised unit i was trained in all three conditions but i prefer condition 3 for safety precautions i have learnt a lot from this video i will practice the technic and perfect it.
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@@thedivisionchroniclesyou play roblox.
I've seen how you guys shoot and handle firearms. I wouldn't put it beyond an SA cop to find a way to have a negligent discharge even in condition 3.
I trained with the 84th “Givati” Brigade back in 2016 while stationed overseas. I learned a lot from their techniques and methods for counter terrorism and battle drills. As well as they learned a lot from my unit. Awesome group of IDF soldiers and was amazed that a lot of them were American and grew up in the United States. One of the greatest training exercises and experiences I’ve had in my life.
What is meant by condition 1 and condition 3?
@@truthseeker7100 William Barnette
William Barnette
7 months ago
7 months ago
Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine in the gun, hammer down, safety on.
Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on.
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on.
Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on. Also referred to as "cocked and locked."
Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
These conditions were developed with the 1911 pistol, cond 2 and 0 do not apply to most modern military arms..
“A lot of them were American.” Incredibly disgusting, as an ex-service member myself, I’m surprised you never were upset by the fact, they used our resources and money here in the states then moved to their nice little ethnic state, they moved to a whole other country solely based on their race.
@@vladdracula4932 the u.s is not self sufficient and we use other countries for thier resources so who cares? I was a frontline service member and I don't care. These tier 1 soldiers are incredibly trained.
@@stevew1643 we’ve gotten nothing from Israel. Who do we use and not give billions to?
When I was in Israel in the early 90s this was the technique we were taught exactly. After I spent a lot of repetitions practicing it I got pretty quick. When we started doing executive protection assignments we carried condition 1. Excellent video!
Why is it there's no condition 2? It went straight up to condition 3? 😆
@@sioux5768 when I was in Israel there was generally no 3 or 4 either it was straight to 5
Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine in the gun, hammer down, safety on.
Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on.
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on.
Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on. Also referred to as "cocked and locked."
Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
These conditions were developed with the 1911 pistol, cond 2 and 0 do not apply to most modern military arms..
@@smithjacusmc my bad I went straight to color codes of danger ! First thing that popped in my head. After Action Report: engage brain before typing
@@williambarnette1049 right on man, it was for the other guy, who obviously doesn't know..at all. Lol
I'm a Police Officer in the NYPD in a Counter Terrorism Unit. I'm also an instructor for CT tactical teams in CQB. 18 plus years in the Department with 8 years in CTB (Counter Terrorism Bureau). With 3 years as an instructor. Before the Police Department, I was in the U.S. Marines active duty in the infantry. In the Police Department, we carry all our weapons in condition 1. In the Marines on deployment, when I was assigned to guard detail (Corporal of the Gaurd), I was issued a Baretta M9 and carried it in condition 3. Magazine inserted in the pistol no round in the chamber.
Bingo. And if it anything it gives you good form with the arms and stance with it.
ew nypd
How many years in the marines boss?
Hi Bernardo! I'm a US Army vet from a non-combat arm's MOS. But 35 years later, I've been through the ringer: micro-strokes, foot drop, balance issues, tremor disorder, coma, heart failure! So while it reduces my reaction time even further, I feel for society's safety, I simply MUST NOT be in battery! So for this disabled CCW, no round in the chamber. (I practice esp. while the tremor is bad, and can still strike my target COM at 10m. Just don't ask me to wash your expensive dishes LOL 😆)
hey man, I hope you are well
Thank you for your Service! 🇺🇸
I'm older, still working, but now for the US gvmnt. I learned in the IDF exactly as explained: First C3, then C1 as our unit was involved in more action. I didn't switch units, but our handling evolved, and our officers allowed us to move to C1 in the field. By the time I moved to the US, I was used to C1. 20+ years later...
I am a retired Marine and I support the first technique. One in the chamber, always!
Stay safe and positive!
What about carrying one in chamber for glock? I'm always scared of accidental discharge
@@KKJae187 there are 3 safety's on glocks that prevent that. Just don't finger fuck the trigger you'll be fine
@@KKJae187 don't put ur finger on the trigger until you're ready to fire
@@KKJae187 Leave carry gun just as it is from factory. No aftermarket parts no nothing. Basicly mulfunctions, what i've seen, have been because of "guzzi" parts.
Red Red is the way to go
I like the technique of retracting the slide in the pulling process during the presentation. I've never seen that before, I'll be incorporating it into my routine from now on. Thanks for this great tip, guys!
Excellent, thank you! Yes, I fully agree with everything you've said here. I typically carry Con3 and employ techniques I learned from a former IDF officer, for whom I continue to have the utmost respect. I feel these techniques are incredibly efficient, with no wasted movement or energy. Cheers!
If you're not 1up, you're always going to be slower than the guy who is. You're also creating the chance for a user induced malfunction. The question begs, why would you intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage? Don't say "safety". If you are not comfortable with the way a firearm works and the safety protocols surrounding the use of one, I suggest getting more training and/or don't carry as you become a liability to yourself and others around you.
The logic extends to, if you are so uncomfortable or untrained to the point that 1up is a "problem", I question your ability to operate a firearm safely and confidently. GET TRAINING FROM PROFESSIONALS!
Problem comes when you have to draw and shoot at contact distance. You won't have time or space to rack the slide.
That transition to secondary at 3:58 was impressive
I use to carry without one in the chamber. For almost 10 years I carried that way, but after receiving more training and understanding more about gun safety, proper holster etc, I started carrying with one in the chamber. Also, I have been a victim of armed robbery before(wasn’t carrying that day) and if I had gun on me that day without one in the chamber I would’ve been dead. You really only have a second, if that. I had time to see the truck pull up, guys(plural) jump out of the truck etc. They had to think I was somebody else. One guy had a shotgun and the other had a revolver. Everything slows down and you can remember little details
But, you're alive??
@@slime.poo6168 No, he died 😢
Sounds like you would have been dead even with one in the chamber and not carrying saved you
@@Rugg-qk4pl You have to wait for your opportunity. Drop your wallet, push the weapon away or wait until the thug is distracted. Most of the time they are imbeciles
@@BetweenTheAxisohhh 💩, that's crazy
Late to the video here, but read many comments. One reminded me of my training. “ Train like you fight.. Fight like you train”. It is all about muscle memory. I do love the balanced approach shown here. The “level three” draw and cycle the slide, looks fast and effective. As an old retired LEO, I/we always carried with one in the chamber. Many years after retirement, I still carry that way, and don’t think I will ever change. But, I think both have their merits, as shown here. Great video!
I appreciate this video. I am not at the point where I feel comfortable carrying one in the chamber, but the drawing technique I was taught broke the drawing into several steps, which seemed to take a little too long. The Condition 3 in your video looks a lot simpler and quicker.
82nd Airborne here.. training with condition 3 will prepare you to use it as such.. but one major issue I have with it, and I don't see any comments regarding, is no matter how hard you've trained, there will always be at least one feeding issue. or magazine seating issue.. carrying condition 1 you will never have to worry about that one time the round didn't didn't chamber properly at a time it matters most..
Here in Israel many of the discussions revolve around not having two hands available to rack a slide. To be honest though in my 42 years on this pllanet, half here half stateside the only time Ive had any missfeed or magazine seating issue was with guns that either belonged to a range or old military surpluss m16's we used for guard duty on the settelments. Never even had a 1911 with an issue.
Train like you fight, Fight Like You Train, Stay Ready.
It is undoubtedly more safe to carry a pistol, day in and day out, in this manner. Most will never need to draw their pistol, but they will carry it all the time. In addition, pistols are not primary military weapons, as their usefulness in such a role is extremely limited. I can see why this system has been developed, and I doubt that there are many “confirmed” examples of this technique resulting in loss of life. In contrast, people shoot themselves or others unintentionally on a daily basis. While having a one in the chamber is certainly faster and doesn’t require two hands, I can understand not doing so, and developing this system, when training time and resources are limited. Thanks for the video.
One of the best explanations of why this is taught. Thanks.
This is a great, balanced explanation. I carry condition 1, but I really like how you explain that IDF teaches condition 3 because of training limitations. I keep my carry guns in condition 1 and my home-defense gun (which happens to be an X95) in condition 3 in my safe.
X95 for the win
You have your home defense gun without a round chambered in a safe? How do you expect to get to that gun in time?
IDF trains in order to ramp up to a full conscript army really quickly. So it makes sense that they operate in a way that would increase safety in a 18 year old who didn’t have much experience with arms.
@@drossi101 I doubt he leaves his primary home defense gun in a safe
@@jackmemphis3203 Say you can’t read, without saying you can’t read.
I carried condition 3 iwb at 8 o'clock, (lefty), for about a year when I first started carrying, and when I felt a lot more comfortable with my weapon and myself, I switched to condition 1 appendix iwb.
Truly impressed with the technique of turning the pistol horizontally to rack the slide. Never gave that a thought.👍
I couldn't agree more one in the chamber is the way to go but, as you have stated whatever works for you in training will work for you in combat as well. With enough drills and trigger discipline you can overcome rookie's mistakes. Great video
Im in a private security outfit and use the S&W MP40.We always have a round in the chamber.
I was a Police Officer. I had the opportunity to training in Israel and learned this technique! Saved my life many times and improved my tactical capabilities.
Lol. Ok.
Saved my life many times??!! I agree these techniques are great but your claim about exposure to life threatening situations doesn't seem legitimate.
Did they teach you how to murder unarmed kids? Seems to be thier speciality
@@AnrchyXRYI had a chuckle also.......
@@anandk925Don't know about that, I think the problem is that he doesn't detail enough about his service. But that's his private business.
My 5 Cent are: Train the method you use on duty or you are allowed/restricted to by law and stick to it. Same for mag change and clear malfunctions. Keep it simple and working at night, with cold fingers, rain or snow. The more possibillities you have for one action the bigger the chance you mess it up under stress. With modern striker fired pistols you carry anyway condition 0 and even military units tend to give up safety or if available to holster with safety off in condition 0 instead of condition 1. The most important in gun handling, no matter if short or long, private, police or military use, are the 4 rules. 1 Every gun is loaded! 2 Muzzle awareness - always point in a save direction! 3 Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on the target and decided to shoot! 4 Be certain of your target AND what is in front and beyond! Shalom chaverim!
It seems that law enforcement lately do no train very well whatever thier police training was . Because they seem to be killing people who are innocent allot of terrible excuses in judgment. Or it's purposeful. Because following the safety procedures as we say train as you fight weapon control should be at a high level. US Army Infantryman. Never have I discharged my weapon by accident following training. It's a decided action to discharge that round.
I am right there with you on that brother. That's the same shit I've been saying.
On the Law enforcement side its either they're trained or its purposeful, one or the other...
Ad blood to the mix on a ice cold weapon, more slippery than a fish.
@Alex G. TRUE! Couldn't agree more!
The recoil management is amazing
After 23 years as a federal officer, and trained with a number of different agencies, I picked up some interesting information from your video, the conditions of carry depended on the unit and its experience and purpose, condition 3 is for new soldiers or policemen with little to no experience, thus preventing accidental discharges, condition 1 is for troops with more experience and training in combat! The condition of carry depended upon the purpose of the unit! Makes sense, now that I am retired, and have a Federal issued CCW, I actually carry condition 1 because a personal attack happens in seconds where as an attack on an officer you may have time to see it coming if you are alert on duty!
It is great that you have been able to train with your agency under Title 18 USC 926c (hope I got right). My agency DHS came out two weeks after the law was enacted with a memo prohibiting range officers from qualifying any retirees. Sad, but true...
I’d say it depends on your circumstances. If I were single or had older children, I’d be condition 1 at all times. However I have 2 young children. My 8 year old is not a worry, but my 3 year old is absolutely incapable of following directions if they’re serious. If there’s something that he shouldn’t get in to, believe me he WILL.
If I carried condition 1 when were out, then I’d have to take the round out of the chamber every single time we got home, which onlyonly damage the round. Since I do not lock it up at home (because what’s the point of having it locked in a safe if I might need it in a hurry), but even leaving it up high and out of sight, this kid is starting to climb to and try to explore. So I have no choice but to leave it without one in the chamber.
Again, if my children were both older and understood it would condition 1 at all times.
Idiotic. Understand it for students, but not for military or police. Train how you will fight.
It does make sense, less likely having accidentally discharge!
@@richardavery2244 No reason to have an accidental discharge unless you are drawing your firearm or just a fool. The chances of someone dying because they had to draw their weapon and load it is much higher than dying from an AD.
Thank you for the instruction sir. I'm going to start practicing this with dry runs. God bless you and your military.
I see that eagle 🦅 globe 🌎 and anchor
I was very well trained in the marine corps myself. I don’t see the reason to change now after being trained by the worlds most elite military force.
USMC. Semper fi.
Why?? It's literally meant for the bottom half of their military from shooting themselves. I guess it was enough of a problem that they forced them to carry unchambered. If you want to be proficient and effective you DO NOT follow this method.
I believe that condition 1 is the only way to carry. There's no guarantee that you'll have time to chamber a round. Battlefield tactics are completely different than everyday carry.
When you say battlefield tactics, I assume you mean tactics on the battlefield (obviously) with a rifle and pistol, but what about in a domestic urban setting? Are they still the same? Or different? Because I imagine a battlefield and a literal field sometimes lol I probably shouldn't, since a whole city with a few skyscrapers could be a battlefield.
@@masonallison8657 what I meant was it's my opinion that in a situation where you may not expect to be attacked, it's probably wise to carry in condition 1 to save yourself the fraction of a second it takes to chamber a round. In a battlefield setting your guard is already up and your enemy is more than likely not within a few feet of you so you're more likely to have time to chamber a round if fired upon. It's more or less a game of odds. I will say though that I do believe that people should only carry condition 1 if they're comfortable with it. Some people aren't.
@@masonallison8657 It's the same. When in war, you're prepared for the gunfight, have your primary weapon and your mates to back you up. Odds are you'll be fine carrying condition 3 or you'll be dead before you draw the pistol so it doesn't make a difference.
Self defense however, you are not prepared for action. You could be unlocking your car, or carrying your child. Maybe your arm got injured. You can't rely on having to rack the slide in your day to day life, danger may surprise you and fiddling with your gun to rack it while in danger is no fun.
“Only way”?
@@catfishman1768 only reasonable way.
Thanks for this clear and informative information! Went to a gun show a few years ago, and a firearms instructor at his booth told me that the IDF carry method condition 3, was superior to all others and he wouldn't entertain training any other methods. I mentioned that it wasn't superior, just safer. He got steamed. We walked away.... In some circles, folks take a simple tool and turn it into a magical object.
Most people do not train with their weapon enough to make C1 worthwhile. Hell, even cops shouldn't carry C1. They're negligent as fuck. If you're not proficient in identifying threat, un-holstering, considering potential collateral/backdrop, and putting accurate rounds on target very quickly and consistently, then you have no business carrying C1. I would consider that person a liability and dishonest about their capabilities. Most people, meaning probably more than 95% of CCWs should be in C3. Children are dying to firearms in America. It's the 3rd leading cause of their death. It's not coming from school shootings either. It's mostly coming from unsafe and ridiculous management of firearms. Parents are killing their kids through gross negligence. If we're going to insist on having guns everywhere, then people need to grow the fuck up, take responsibility, know their limitations, and have some goddamn respect for firearms.
Interesting video, a lot of people do not carry condition 1 so this is a great method to ensure you do not induce a malfunction under stress trying to chamber a round.
My brother jisheraelijm I personally would never carry a firearm if I do not have 1 in the chamber. I did security in Los Angeles California 17 years in different areas, it is all the same War is war and security is security. Very informative video stay sharp.
Stay frosty my friend!!!
Well said my guu
My man Bernardo! Awesome to see you on here.
Very interesting method and pricedure. As a civilian I breifly trainned on a combat course in the early 80s. What is shown here wasnt how we were taught. Really wish it was. Very sharp, fast and effective. Nice video. Thank you & Shalom
I do both depending on where I’m going - what I’m doing - what my expectations are given certain situations and conditions, however my preferred is condition 1.
Either way it’s important to know the condition of your weapon at all times and be well practiced in both techniques.
I appreciate this video very much. I like how you pointed out both side of the efficiency debate. Very clear cut with great video examples.
Thank you for posting
Israel adopted this technique simply because there were no standard issue pistol, they reached a decision to adopt 9mm for sidearms but at that time there were an embargo from European countries and not really much choices of pistols from the United States because of their preferred .45 ACP so they sourced thier weapons from anywhere they could find, places like south Africa, Hungary, Brazil etc. That created a mishmash of pistols in 9mm at the Israeli arsenal and to train each soldier on every weapon is a very difficult, costly and time consuming so the best and safest solution is to carry the pistol in condition 3.
That is almost word for word what my former boss told me. He retired a general in the IDF.
THis explanation makes sense to me. But would be about time to modernize the training.
I see what you are saying but it is still not the correct way to train. Doesn't matter what firearm you have. They can all be trained to carry in condition one. Striker, DA, SA, whatever. its not rocket science to have soldier learn his weapon.
@@rickyricardo5441 You're right from "common sense" prospective but governments think otherwise. Also the IDF is mainly conscripts and most individuals lack the common weapon safety knowledge, and the fact that you might get someone with a very low IQ or someone with some mental issues that no one knows about is likely to happen more often. You see in America and every other country where military service is a volunteer service you ask to join, get screened and vetted before you join then finally it's a privilege to serve, in countries like Israel where military service is a mandatory service you have to ask not to serve, get screened and vetted to be excluded then finally it is a privilege not to serve. What I'm trying to say here is where you get people from every walk of life you have to be careful.
My conclusion that it is more safe to make everyone carry condition 3 to minimize accidents, also it is more cost effective and time saving because every penny counts and every minute counts as well when it comes to budget and combat readiness.
P.S. I've been told all of this by IDF soldiers when I trained with them so what do I know?!
Thank you for replying ☺️.
@@MrUNCLESAM84 very informative response, I thank you for your insight.
Thanks for making this video. 27 years carrying a pistol as a primary weapon in a variety of agencies. This clears up a lot for me. It also seems to make sense for personal carry in a non-secure holster. If you’re fighting close, the weapon won’t be used against you as easily.
This is the best for beginners with no training. Very secure and forces you to be aware of your target. But those seconds can make the difference, for good or bad.
Thanks for showing this technique! I use Condition 3 while hunting. German law is very strict if I forget to unload my weapon if I get in my car, then I just have to take out my mag and can't ever forget the one in the chamber, even if I take my safety rules very seriously.
Both conditions are useful in different scenarios. Situational awareness and discipline will always be a better guide than anything else.
Their recruits can be trained to, unholster, bring the gun towards the threat, rack the slide, get a shooting grip, and get on target, but no confidence in them or the equipment to be in condition 1.🤷🏽♂️
Good presentation. I like the way you pointed out how the extra wide stance sometimes seen is an exaggeration of the comfortable and stable shoulder width stance. Another important piece from what we originally developed that has been lost is that step 2 of your demonstration is not supposed to be a 'stopped' position, but rather a transitional one. The whole idea behind drawing from a 4 o'clock carry position to final shooting position is to create as straight and smooth a path from holster to final position, enabling a smoother, faster 'draw to fire' sequence. When correctly done, the gun hand doesn't stop at the the racking hand but moves fluidly through the position, with the racking hand remaining stationary and simply grabbing the pistol as the firing hand continues and points into final firing position. With practice, you demonstrating soldier will shave valuable time of his draw sequence. Two simple principles. From the moment the draw begins: 1- Nothing moves away from the target (racking hand does not pull backwards) 2- Drawing hand doesn't stop moving till the first shot is fired (pointing and extending the shooting hand ends with a shot. Don't stop and aim separately.)
Makes perfect sense regarding Condition 1 carry vs Condition 3... and the units experience level with sidearms.... now I understand the logic behind it
Both circumstances are beneficial in different contexts. Understanding the environment and self-control will always be a superior guide compared to any other element!
"Remember, switching to your secondary is always faster than reloading." -Capt. Price
Gaz
Incorrect quote, quoted to the incorrect character
Great
That was actually gaz….
Guys give the guy some credit, Price being the captain, he probably taught Gaz the whole drill, am I right? 😅👍
The best explanation of the techniques reason for existing so far. Thank you for doing this.
I did combat in close quarters for the USN on ships and buildings. Our stuff was a bit different, I don’t know how it’s changed since 20 years ago nearly, but it still works for me today, in the USA there are public gun ranges everywhere, I’ve got one just about 2 miles from my house, we can go practice anytime. The principals I learned remain useful and accessible for any weapon at anytime through the years. It’s more about stability control and accuracy across a variety of armaments.
Excellent video, and important was what you made clear to many who don't know; time restraints for training are important considerations, in this instance solutions to make up for that have been developed. Krav Maga is one other example.... such an important point to make people aware
Love the crisp, disciplined pistol draw presentation technique.
The IDF can train that, but it can't train/trust its personnel to be in condition one?😉
Retired US Army Infantry Officer here. My girlfriend back in the early 90’s was a dual US-Israeli citizen. Everyone in her family has served a tour or two in the IDF. I asked her dad and brother, both of whom had been in the 35th Parachute Brigade, what the deal was with the condition 3 carry?
Their explanation, which totally made sense, was that since the IDF has used multiple different auto pistols over the years, P-38’s, 1911’s, Browning Hi-Power, Berettas etc. That by carrying condition 3 with the safety off was the simplest way to standardize pistol technique.
What I don’t get is that whatever benefit the IDF gained from standardizing on condition 3 for the draw, they lose on troops having to fumble with their guns to clear the chamber in order to re-holster safe.
I like that my Army is a “Condition 1” Army.
now they at fighting a real war, I believe in them and their techniques fully. Thank you for sharing. God Bless Israel and keeping his children safe in his arms.
You always deliver excellent information. Thank you
Absolutely my friend. Different situations require different levels of preparedness. Excellent presentation.
I only see two advantages to carrying in condition three:
1: if someone comes up to you during combat and attempts to take the weapon from your possession, it won’t immediately be able to fire. Likely they would assume it was in condition one and try to fire it at you giving you the opportunity to get the drop on them, because they wouldn’t immediately try to rack a round the chamber. (unless of course they are familiar with your military’s training and know that you wouldn’t carry it in condition one)
Secondly, it could prevent accidents during training with live fire situation by inexperienced personnel by just not having a live round in the chamber to discharge in any situation where a weapon might get drawn. Sort of like a next level of safety.
Now on the other hand carrying in condition one has many advantages that you’re giving up:
Speed of deployment
Extra capacity
The ability to deploy and fire the weapon with only one hand in a situation during combat where your other hand/arm is injured. Yes you can theoretically rack the slide against your leg, etc. but tried doing that under stress when laying on the ground being shot at. Much easier just to have had a round in the chamber to start with. (I think this is one of the biggest reasons I would carry in condition one. Being that this is a secondary weapon, I would not probably deploy it until I was in a bad way or in close quarters so it’s possible I could’ve been shot already and might not have use of one of my arms. I would not want to have to wrack a slide. )
Overall, you can go either way but I would personally go with condition one if it were my gun.
3. You can present uncocked.
Finally someone who's proficient enough to spell it out.
I'm totally in 100 % agreement with you on that!!
I commented, further upthread, not knowing yours was 'done here'. I concentrated on the 'failsafe' consideration. Well done laying out the rest of the details of pros and cons.
Both scenarios [C3 with weapon stolen, and one arm incapacitated with sidearm in C3] are low-probability outcomes, but not insignificantly so. they both have an inverse 'locational' component, I hope you might agree: one happens very close, while the other could happen close, but would more likely happen farther away (shot from a distance versus snatched from right beside you). I think rules #2 and #3 of gunfights [bring your friends and have your friends bring their guns, respectively] work to minimize the 'bad day' effects of either outcome. The question of 'which condition is best' seems fraught with variables, so I doubt there is a 'best'.
May the odds be ever in your favor ;)
When I was in the US Army as a MP, we were told to carry condition 3 while working patrol. I never carried it that way and always had one in the chamber. The likely hood of your support hand becoming inoperable would become a problem with trying to charge your firearm. Having to fire the weapon from the hip or one handed would be an advantage.
Yes, the draw and fire technique you use looks very efficient.
The speed at which you guys draw, rack and holster sidearms impresses me every time! Great job
Served 3.5 years in the IDF, and then worked security for 4 years. Dudes in my unit were pulling 0.9s first shot center mass from position 3... my best was 1.1. this shit may look janky but it works.
Im a retired Federal Agent, i used to use condition 1 all the time during the years on duty. But retired, my risk lowered and the way to carry concealed is also different and mostly around my family, and also the kind of weapon has a lot to do (glocks have no thumb and grip lock), so the risk of an accidental discharge is higher. Condition 3 on this one. One thing to consider is to switch your brain for reflex movements of both ways. 2 phases in life, but not mix them or you will confuse in a risk situation.
This is an excellent technique and I can’t wait to share it with my shooting buddy’s.
Being prior military, the reason we carry condition 1 is to be able to react quickly in a CQB situation. It's splitting hairs to say that drawing the secondary is seconds faster than a reload if your rifle runs dry but seconds mean your life or the lives of your team. I would be interested to see if this technique slows you down to the point that a reload is faster than the draw.
I do appreciate how the explanation describes unit philosophy and mostly points towards lightly trained conscripts.
Yea I was wondering the same thing. It would be cool if they would do a timed comparison of the two.
Switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading even in Condition 3
There is effectively no difference in speed. The biggest disadvantage is if you have to draw and you are hands on an enemy or injured. Not uncommon to take a round to the hand during combat (probably the most common injury out there). And you may be shoving off with your off hand or trying to control a knife or gun hand and drawing with your dominate hand. Nothing wrong with condition 3 provided you train with it. But there are unquestionably disadvantages to it. Speed isn't one of them.
@@pauldarling330 exactly, there are literally hundreds of videos of people losing their lives because of carrying without a round in the chamber. Secondly, the attacker is already at an advantage being that....they're the attacker
...condition 3 is absolutely useless except for in your home with children.
Yeah, sure it slows you down so much. It takes like 8 seconds... DUH
Working in security in South Africa, I was trained and use the IDF method.
1, If you have a negligent discharge, if could go towards having your firearm competency removed. 2, alot of the people that you work with, don't have alot of training or educated well. Having an extra safety measure is beneficial. Civilians are everywhere and people that may look the same, it's complex environment. Being more aware, target identification, deeming a target as a lawful shoot or not, is important. Create space and ensure that you have enough time to rack one up.
Best explanation I've heard.
Love the British reference of 'One up the Spout'.. Good video. My preference goes to threat level-values. High threat - level 1, etc.
The numbering system of segments of the draw is what matters the most. Ideally, as you said, condition 1 is preferred, but depending on circumstances, being efficient with the mechanics of your draw is far more important. I'd put my money on a person carrying condition 3 that has drilled their mechanics to muscle memory over a person carrying condition 1 whose training amounts to shooting once or twice a year.
But would you put your money to condition 3 or 1 if both train a few times a year?
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@@AnThOnYbIcArDi Neither. Remember the quote: "you don't rise to the occasion, you sink to the level of your training"
Exactly right, I carry condition 3 due to the fact my pistol does not have a safety, but I also do condition 3 on my other fire arms to avoid accidental firing or if it somehow get pulled from my holster, I can make an attempt to disarm the perp before he figures out he has to chamber a round.
Well said! 👌🏻
Excellent video and instruction. At home, when not secured to my body, my pistol is in Condition3 in a quick access safe. As this instructor stated, with good and frequent training, going from Condition 3 to engagement is relatively easy. When carrying CCW in public, I'm always Condition 1.
When at home I've got multiple condition 3's around the house lol
A safe? Watch lock picking lawyer and get back to me.
@@bradcampbell7253 Unfortunately that's why I have a heavy magnet hidden nearby to access my safe quicker.
I have a SIG P320 pistol in a drawer in the nightstand. It’s always in condition 1. It is also held in a hard plastic hip holster so the trigger is covered.
Add to this I have no kids and don’t go into that drawer every day it’s safe to do. I know if I grab that pistol it’s a crisis (home invasion) and it’s ready to go.
Wow- in public…? i guess u live in in the us?
During my 1sr tour of duty in El Salvador back in 1987 I almost shot myself on the foot drawing from the appendix using condition 1, my shooting instructor taught me right then to shoot using condition 3 and i have been doing it ever since. I do practice at least once a month to remain proficient, speed and accuracy has never been an issue.
Outstanding explanation of the different carry techniques, ty!
Great video! Would love to see more educational videos on shooting from you guys.
I was just in IDF reserve duty.
As a citizen soldier that carries a pistol daily, I found it more comfortable to carry the pistol in a hip rig, but at a height that I can reach whilst standing upright.
(Using a reg waist holster is impossible with a plate carrier/flak jacket and a medic vest.)
And I use a regular rifle sling, worn around the neck and left arm (I'm a righty) for the reason seen towards the end of the video; so that the rifle doesn't prevent me accessing my pistol.
Great insight both carry methods and how to discharge the firearm!
One in the chamber for me! Taught this methodology in my law enforcement career and I find it is one less thing to fumble with in a shootout. As for safety "finger off the trigger" worked for me in 22 years without accidental discharge.
Can you train me?
The IDF combat units do all of that. I served in the rear lines, carried only colt m16 and had to have the magazine outside the gun at all times. Not exactly battle ready, but then again, I shot maybe 50 rounds over my 3 years in service and none for the whole time in reserve.
@@dgurevich1 how pathetic🤣
Carrying condition 3 will get you killed.
@@glock271 what is condition 3?
Just as a historical note (and living in Britain this is academic for me) the description of carrying an auto-pistol in condition three and drawing and making ready by grabbing the slide of a horizontal pistol and pushing the pistol forward to make it ready are almost identical to those espoused by Fairbairn and Sykes in 'Shooting to Live' from 1920s Shanghai. For largely similar reasons too - a large force with limited training time and budget. Thanks for the description really interesting. BTW 'Shooting to Live' is free on the internet in pdf format - check it out.
Excellent. Thank you!
Great video..
I'm in the US and used to teach safety and home defense with a pistol. I always advised carrying with a round in the chamber, but civilians don't have to worry about the regulations that military and police must concern themselves with.
I used the same basic stance.
Good stuff.
Thanks for the video.. ♥️
great Video, its a shame the US has to pay Israel about 2 Billion $$$ per year.
that money does not grow on trees.
I'm in Berlin and for home defense we just have a solid lock. No guns. At all.
But my greatest respect to the IDF. I wish you all the best!
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@@Eunegin23 Same in London here. Just a frying pan for home defence I suppose. And you can’t have the door too solid or reinforce it or metal bars unless the housing council will complain that you’re trying to restrict access to police entrance, even if you have no problem with the police.
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When my ship visited Israel, we had IDF follow our crew on a tourist visit to Jerusalem. I never felt safer in my life. I asked one soldier if he agreed in protecting us, he looked at me with out hesitation and said " your god is my god, your life is my life." GOD BLESS ISRAEL
What does the D stand for ? I thought it wa she ISF Israeli special forces .... or is it Israeli delta force ?
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Wow. He quoted Ruth. That’s one of my favorite books of the Old Testament.
These techniques have been in use for a long time and not just by the IDF. More so ( at a guess) since the adoption of the no safety/striker fired pistols like the Glock etc . I am old enough to have carried and used most types of pistols at one time or another, I still carry a cocked and locked Staccato 2011.
Smooth Operators ,first bullet in the target 🎯 wins excellent training video..very deliberate.
I have primarily carried Condition 1 in the US Army. I (re)joined after September 11th 2001, joining a National Guard unit. All of the NCOs were veterans from Active Duty units, and all of the NCOs had served in combat, or at least on deployments to the former Yugoslavia.
We trained our soldiers well before our first deployment to Iraq. 90 days into our deployment we were notified that we had Zero Negligent Discharges throughout our Brigade. Good to Know that our training and supervision had been adequate.
We were Flabbergasted when we were told that No Unit, Active Duty or National Guard had previously gone 90 days without any Negligent Discharges!
Muzzle Discipline and "Keeping your Booger Hook OFF the Bang Switch" until you intend to shoot is essential.
I adhered to those principles in the Infantry, when I served in USSOCOM, and when I am back home.
Not us. The batch of westpointers we had were banging out desk pops on deployment faster than I change underwear.
Great explaining 👌, I was trained on condition 3 and still carry today as such, have no qualms with condition 1 just as long as that person knows the condition of their weapon...big thumbs-up 👍
"Knows the condition" if you treat a gun as if it was unloaded, you shouldn't carry. Guns are ALWAYS loaded.
I did dry fire training first with condition 3, then when I go to ranges I mix a couple dummy rounds In my magazines. It helps you to be more efficient when it comes to gun malfunctions. I highly recommend Dry fire, any condition, and dummy rounds mixed with live ammo.
Well we are about to see this in action in the coming days.
Would be interesting to hear about different calibers used in pistols by the IDF. And if different techniques are applied with different pistol calibers.
I personally carry both, depending on the situation and environmental factors. I normally carry condition 1, because being at the ready creates less anxiety and decreases the chance to have any misfires or collateral damage in a panic. As with anything, practicing your condition 3 techniques will increase the proficiency and comfort levels.
Same.
From draw to fire should be all muscle memory. You shouldn't have to think if you need to rack or not. You could either lose important seconds that could cost your life by puling the trigger on an empty chamber or racking it unecesarily costing you both seconds and a round. even though I live in Israel I carry condition 1 but that's a personal choice, most issraeis don"t. The only reason I would be armed and not ready is because for whatever reason I definitly will not be shooting but need my gun on me to keep it safe from the wrong hands. That would rarely happen though. Carry how you want but if there is any chance youll use the gun it should always be caried the same way.
This is mentally impossible under an immediate response scenario. Your mind will be everywhere except on this decision. Don't.
I like how their secondary weapon is secured with a lanyard (dummy cord in Marine Corps). This is not seen very often, but it was how I was trained.
Its to prevent loss of weapon, especially during maritime operations. When under real operations, i.e. non training, that shit is not lanyarded because it can get you snagged and killed.
I carry often in snowy conditions and the carry cord is the answer. Not in the way but guarantees you will have a firearm if need be.
Every piece of kit carried has a safety tie. Your watch , your Leatherman, compass etc. Everything besides ammo and water.
It’s a good video with a very professional explanation
Fantastic video! Very informative.
Great job brother...I still teach this method. I find it easier and safer to teach to new students. Once technique is mastered it is nothing to having them start from Condition 1.
This settles the argument as far as I'm concerned, great vid!
Condition 3 is always the safest to carry especially in a rear area. When it appears combat is imminent go to condition 1. That is for any weapon you have. Never underestimate the ability of a soldier to find a way to screw up!
Old ''lone ranger'' mask OSS videos from WW2 show an effective draw and shoot technique. It's one handed, and places the firearm in front of the solar plexus, firing two rounds. Variations include pivoting on one foot, and firing left, right and behind during drills.
Considering they're (roughly) from 1940, these are good training exercises and still hold up today.
I trained with the IDF when I was in the Army back in 2016. These guys were so humble but at the same time hardened soldiers 🇮🇱
And they had great bread 😛
So hardened that they need to wear diaper when conducting military operation
So Hardened from shooting all those Palestinian civilians
We transitioned from revolvers sometime in the early ‘90s and our training was in Condition 1. It’s the only way I’d carry an auto loading pistol today.
Excellent information..!! Thank You..!! Real eye opener..!!!
Outstanding technical tacit
Awesome stuff, very informative!
I have a few unpopular thoughts on this, but here goes;
1. Most gun owners in the US lack the continuous training to safely carry in condition one.
2. Statistics on negligent discharge will always be underreported. (ie, no one was injured)
3. I am a health care professional, I have taken care of many GSW victims. Many of those were due to accidents. Most of the accidental shootings with handguns wouldn’t have happened if the handgun had been in condition 3. Most children lack the knowledge and strength to activate the slide if they find a handgun.
4. For a civilian CCL holder, it is a teenage fantasy to think that the milliseconds it will take to chamber a round is going to be the difference between life and death. Statistically speaking, if your handgun is in condition 1 most of the time, it is more likely to be discharged negligently than at an impending threat.
5. Great video
I would never carry condition 3. I have carried a firearm for nearly 2 decades and never shot myself. I carry a 1911 and M9A1.
DA/SA w/ decocker solves everyone’s problems.
Thank you. Exactly.
@@outerspaceman7534 most US gun owners do not daily carry, nor do they train for a safe draw. Also both your pistols have external hammers, while most people who carry today use striker fired. I have a feeling you don't carry condition 1, you likely are condition 2. Striker fired weapons are king, but don't have that option.
So, you're not really part of the equation here. If you were in the IDF, you'd likely be in a condition 1 trained unit.
@@ShimmeringSword I carry my 1911 cocked and locked because it is single action. I carry my M9A1 decocked with the hammer down and the safety off. I also CCW my CZ75 PCR the same way I do my Berettas. It’s just those three are my go tos. Most people do have Glocks, but even with Glocks I would carry with one in the chamber. Just get a good holster. They only go off if you push the trigger and the safety on the trigger. I wouldn’t want to be outgunned by a inferior piece of crap thug just because I happened to not keep one in the chamber. I already know I’m not going to shoot myself so why would I not keep one in the chamber?
I was told that this grew from the browning P35 being the most common pistol in IDF years ago, and it not having a large safety to sweep, this technique was taught.
Unless you're highly trained condition 3 is fine. Because remember how people react under stress will make them fumble, and with one in the chamber there's a a good chance that they shoot themselves out of nervousness.
The difference between condition 1 and 3 is a fraction of a second and it's safer under stressful conditions provided you do your repetitions.
Repetition is the key.. Everyone in my Department carries one in the tube, although there is nothing set in stone. I know guys that keep their weapon in single action holstered... Whatever works for an individual, that first shot placement is crucial..
People gotta realize there is never a “right” way 100% of the time when it comes to this sort of thing. Most commenters have never lived under the conditions that the Israeli people do. One of my goals is to visit Israel some day, given how beautiful the country is. Between military and my current job I’ve carried a firearm my entire adult life, to where I develop mild anxiety when I have to travel out of state without it.
When I was overseas our weapon condition varied. We would rotate between conditions 1,3,4 depending on what FOB we were on. Condition 1 obvious on a mission, most FOBs were condition 3, and the major bases were often condition 4 unless there was some change in the climate that necessitated a change. I would usually keep my weapon in condition 3 outside the wire on a vehicle and chamber a round if I got out of the truck. Depended on the area and at the time I had been convinced that I’d rather chamber a round than risk a worn out rifle from the armory discharging from a bump or a blast when it got knocked around. Stupid in hindsight…knowing what I know now I would have probably just kept a round chambered.
@Mr Jones idk, winning a war started by said foreign nation and getting the land didnt sound illegal. Search 6 day war and many other war that follow and you'll see that palestine and arabs attack israel and lose.
Condition 4? Condition 4 is slide locked back and magazine out, that's only for when at the firing range not when carried in a holster.
@Mr Jones
Learn the law, they are not illegally occupying a foreign nation.
@@jameshuhn6924 condition four on an m4 carbine is chamber empty, bolt forward, weapon on safe, ejection port cover closed. Guess I should have specified. I never thought to apply it to handguns in the same way, but I would imagine it’s slide forward. I don’t know what conditions are for IDF either. What purpose would making condition 4 an open slide be? If we are talking handguns?
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On a firing range the range officer calls condition 4 between rounds of fire. When each round of fire is complete you go to condition 4 by locking your slide back and removing the magazine before placing your firearm on the shelf beside you. Once the range officer checks each weapon to make sure they are safe and clear the next round will commence.