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  • What are the odds of winning with Monument to Perfection in Standard? Let's find out!
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  • @ebradicator9
    @ebradicator9 Před rokem +187

    Expand the sphere’s sneaky proliferate mode can finish off opponents who take a monument hit, so maybe it’s worth playing 4 of those and 2 survey? You probably will whiff slightly more frequently, but since the entire goal is to get a monument kill it seems worth it to me.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před rokem +24

      Ha, yeah! It never actually came up in the games, but sooner or later it will happen and be hilarious :)

  • @RyuPlaneswalker
    @RyuPlaneswalker Před rokem +37

    Toxic Nine is because the rest of the card is based on the number 9, it is a 9/9 that requires 9 lands, it is a reference to the fact that the original Phyrexia had 9 Spheres.

    • @connorshea9085
      @connorshea9085 Před rokem +3

      New Phyrexia also has 9 spheres, and its a reference to the 9 circles of Hell in Dante's inferno :D

  • @AdamHill42
    @AdamHill42 Před rokem +56

    Love ya SethProbablyBetterKnownAsSaffronOlive ❤️

  • @benjiboy1337
    @benjiboy1337 Před rokem +210

    Really is too bad they didn't make it a Toxic 10 - I mean, when you have to get 9 lands with different names, and half of them come into play tapped and none of them fix your mana very well; is a Blightsteel that doesn't Trample really too much to ask for as a reward?

    • @ferdithetank7535
      @ferdithetank7535 Před rokem +90

      It's more for the flavor reasons - there are exactly 9 spheres in New Phyrexia, also toxic 9 puts them just one Proliferate trigger from perfection.
      No trample is a big fail though.

    • @KebbieG
      @KebbieG Před rokem +4

      It isn't as bad in Pioneer. I consistently got the 9 different land requirements by turn 5.

    • @mrlescure
      @mrlescure Před rokem +6

      @@KebbieG You get 9 differently named basics, Spheres, and Locus lands by turn 5?

    • @KebbieG
      @KebbieG Před rokem +16

      @@mrlescure Yes you get both Snow and regular basics with Fabled Passage to get the colors you want. The video I did drops next Tuesday with it.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před rokem +21

      Yeah, I think it would have been super fine with toxic 10. It takes a lot of work to turn it on, and it still gets chumped. I think being a one-shot kill would be a fair reward for how much effort you have to put into it.

  • @thecrazycapn
    @thecrazycapn Před rokem +22

    Crim's Mirrex: "Let me carry all your decks on my back, friend."
    Seth's Mirrex: "Am I a joke to you, sirrah?"

  • @wudgethenumbers
    @wudgethenumbers Před rokem +61

    Thirsting Roots would help fix lands and could potentially proliferate a monument hit into a win. Wouldn't necessarily make the deck good, but seems like a good fit.

  • @MrMcGueGue
    @MrMcGueGue Před rokem +3

    Seth really underatting Mirrex. Those mites can chip away in setup turns

  • @zurreal8087
    @zurreal8087 Před rokem +54

    I’ve been shocked by the amount of Mono red in the format. I thought everyone would be too intimidated by Phyrexian Obliterator.

    • @muditjohar5323
      @muditjohar5323 Před rokem +16

      They burn you to the face for the last points of damage

    • @StrawMan1235
      @StrawMan1235 Před rokem +19

      In my experience Sheoldred is a generally better against mono red than Obliterator.

    • @shapied
      @shapied Před rokem +9

      They are relying off of people not having the wildcards lol

    • @Alikaoz
      @Alikaoz Před rokem +39

      You don't play monored to play scared

    • @theprogressivecynic2407
      @theprogressivecynic2407 Před rokem

      I've been farming people with mono-black and Golgari Glissa due to that.

  • @SpoonerismsMusic
    @SpoonerismsMusic Před rokem +21

    Thirsting roots seems like slam dunk to me. Early game fix your mana and get another land name, late game proliferate after getting in a monument attack to win on the spot.
    Similar story for experimental augury, though probably not as good

    • @rubsomebacononit9843
      @rubsomebacononit9843 Před rokem

      Love this tech, if you run out of basics then you are probably winning. Also I love Thirsting Roots

    • @3N3MYKN1GHT
      @3N3MYKN1GHT Před rokem

      Better tech, dig up, adding a tutor for sweepers is just what this deck needed.

  • @thecrazycapn
    @thecrazycapn Před rokem +3

    Hey Seth! I'd love to see The Dragon-Kami Reborn go off! We have some big, new creature hits to hide in those eggs.

  • @LordQQQ
    @LordQQQ Před rokem +8

    The seed core adds color of any mana for phyrexian creatures so you can fix for atraxa when you thought you couldn’t play it against the mardu deck. That is kind of a cool interaction and another reason to run atraxa in the deck lol

  • @chanceknoles9475
    @chanceknoles9475 Před rokem +8

    My very first 60 card deck back in the day was a Green/Black infect deck built from random cards i pulled from a friends pizza box full of bulk magic cards. The land base has the original Locus lands in it because i always like the concept. Cool to see it come back even if in a small way. As always love the videos Seth, thanks for the content!

  • @moonfall1224
    @moonfall1224 Před rokem +3

    Why none of the card filtering proliferate or poison cards? Seems like they'd smooth the issue of Monument only doing 9.

  • @ryanhebertson7457
    @ryanhebertson7457 Před rokem +19

    I’ve noticed if Seth looses he typically will just say it’s because the opponent top decked the right card even if he has no idea what’s in his opponents hand 😂

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před rokem +17

      Hmm, maybe I do that without realizing. I'll keep it in mind.

    • @heywes
      @heywes Před rokem +1

      @@MTGGoldfish You're just stating what is clearly facts.

    • @ryanhebertson7457
      @ryanhebertson7457 Před rokem +3

      @@MTGGoldfish no worries haha. I watch all your videos keep up the good stuff!

    • @Weckacore
      @Weckacore Před rokem +1

      I think with the angel 2 damage thing it would have been used earlier if they had it. Of course we can't know but I will almost always trust Seth's game sense.

  • @AngelCrea7er
    @AngelCrea7er Před rokem +14

    You could run Skrelv. He gives toxic 1 when you activate his ability. The problem is fitting it in the deck.

    • @B1GJOE
      @B1GJOE Před rokem +1

      He also makes your guy semi un block able.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před rokem +1

      Yeah, Skrelv is a funny way to get in the last poison counter. It's really awkward until the super late game though when we turn on Monument because we don't really have anything to do with it or creatures to protect. Is it worth cutting some ramp for? I'm not sure, honestly.

    • @AngelCrea7er
      @AngelCrea7er Před rokem

      @@MTGGoldfish Yeah. Would be funny but how do you find space, right?

    • @abigaylegeisel
      @abigaylegeisel Před rokem

      ​@@MTGGoldfish Necrogen Rotpriest would work too but also probably not worthwhile

  • @thisissostupid61
    @thisissostupid61 Před rokem +1

    The first half of this video is such a heartbreaker

  • @jediag02
    @jediag02 Před rokem +1

    Love this idea, Seth! I put it into a mono white control list, and it's working well enough to get me to the finish line about half the time, which is great odds for some janky fun! Appreciate you sharing, as always.

  • @chocolatepiegames3617
    @chocolatepiegames3617 Před rokem +1

    This. This right here, this level of glorious jank is why I’m subscribed.

  • @lambda6736
    @lambda6736 Před rokem +6

    I know Mono Red is the enemy of fun most of the time, but the G1 deck was pretty interesting, and didnt seem to have any of the usual Kumano or Bloodthirsty culprits.

  • @Maccabeus87
    @Maccabeus87 Před rokem +4

    Love seeing Seth's joy in a win.

  • @vitorsantiago1075
    @vitorsantiago1075 Před rokem +1

    Oh my god...I submited a monument deck for goldfish commander thinking it was a very Phil deck but also that it was in the spirit of against the odds, and now comes an against the odds video on monument hahah. Glorious!

    • @vitorsantiago1075
      @vitorsantiago1075 Před rokem

      Granted standard doesnt have as many tools to make it work xD but its the intention that counts

  • @christianbarrett3040
    @christianbarrett3040 Před rokem +8

    I have a feeling that the next set will make this a much more playable card.

    • @malcomchase9777
      @malcomchase9777 Před rokem

      How?

    • @dementievatz
      @dementievatz Před rokem +3

      @@malcomchase9777 Not necessarily exactly next set, but at some point they could add some Locus lands to standard.

    • @willashcroft2396
      @willashcroft2396 Před rokem +1

      @@malcomchase9777 in the same way they teased battles with Atraxa, printing a card at rare that wants locuses, a land type not on arena and not printed in years, seems like a strong sign they'll be reintroduced.

    • @malcomchase9777
      @malcomchase9777 Před rokem

      @@willashcroft2396 Honestly, pretty unlikely. Locust already exist, and are powerful. They are the Slivers of lands, so any more you print make the old ones even better. That's a nod to old cards, not a tease.

  • @Beam_on_team
    @Beam_on_team Před rokem +5

    10:59 you still had the out of atraxa into untapped white source + depopulate?
    mirrex and mycosynth gardens are 2 colourless, 2 forests, 1 swamp, blue from headquarters, white from the seedcore (to cast a phyrexian creature spell)- this leaves you with an untapped jetmirs garden, black sphere, green sphere.
    From there the atraxa trigger has to hit depopulate and an untapped white source so that you can play the land and cast the spell.
    OR failing to see this line you have the potential out of activating a sphere land to draw a card and hoping that it's a wrath

  • @portalmasterlp453
    @portalmasterlp453 Před rokem +4

    I think monument would work well with skrelv. Make it unblockable by one color and toxic 10 sounds good

  • @nickmcnally7808
    @nickmcnally7808 Před 11 měsíci

    32:33 this was the perfect moment to use the “Nice!” emote, I’m sad this was passed up

  • @sahjhan1
    @sahjhan1 Před rokem +3

    Perhaps the deck needs some blue or black cards that just give the opponent poison counters, so Monument can one shot

  • @matthewoomkes5666
    @matthewoomkes5666 Před rokem +1

    Like a lot of the other comments, a way to get the 10th or 1st poison counter seems helpful, but fitting it into the deck is the challenge. Still very fun!

  • @adamtobiasz8793
    @adamtobiasz8793 Před rokem +1

    Another fun video brother Set. This deck feels too expensive for me.

  • @darnelljenkins5972
    @darnelljenkins5972 Před rokem

    Infect:”Look what they need to mimic even a fraction of my power”

  • @kiyan5340
    @kiyan5340 Před rokem

    Gets better in formats with "Snow-Covered" and Waste basics. Extra 6 fetchable cards, allows you to cut out a couple colors for consistency!

  • @Hanmacx
    @Hanmacx Před rokem +1

    I would try this with Formats that have Snow Covered Lands

  • @seandun7083
    @seandun7083 Před rokem +3

    To bad Kaldheim is no longer in standard. Snow basics would be a huge mana base improvement.

  • @LolaliciousSmiley
    @LolaliciousSmiley Před rokem

    "Thanks for watching. I hope you enjoy it." is so much nicer to hear than any annoying call to action. You guys are rad.

  • @thechestrockfield
    @thechestrockfield Před rokem

    I get so much joy from his reactions to unlikely wins against busted decks.

  • @jonnymactavish3941
    @jonnymactavish3941 Před rokem

    I think some cards that granted trample could’ve helped to secure a hit, or if the wrath plan was more ideal then some of the cards that just give a single poison counter like the infectious bite or the draw a card one could’ve helped?

  • @peetftw3461
    @peetftw3461 Před rokem +1

    i think playing vraskas fall or prologue to phyresis could be an option to get that one poison on the opponent

  • @MineRoyale.
    @MineRoyale. Před rokem +1

    Game 2 you could have atraxad, found an untapped white source, and cast depopulate. Seedcore gives you white for Atraxa, it doesn't need to be used for colourless.

  • @jimhysell2508
    @jimhysell2508 Před rokem +1

    Is that a The Faint shirt? Gonna be Dancing Macabre later?

  • @SmashPortal
    @SmashPortal Před rokem

    I think creating Mites with Mirrex to get in an early poison counter could be a good play.

  • @fosterdawson7339
    @fosterdawson7339 Před rokem

    Hey Seth I’m trying to build this type of deck for standard on a budget! What would be cheaper replacements or swaps for atraxa?

  • @mth4456
    @mth4456 Před rokem +1

    Seth-opponent is at 6 and 9.
    Me, a 30 year old child-NICE!

  • @MichelPlanteBrand
    @MichelPlanteBrand Před rokem +1

    if you add Skrelv it adds evasion AND 1 toxic to make it a one shot kill.

  • @ecoKady
    @ecoKady Před rokem

    There ain't Growth Spiral, perpetual card draw ramp these days, but I'm not sure the big mana ramp payoffs scaled up as the efficiency of ramp scaled down.

  • @Shimatzu95
    @Shimatzu95 Před rokem

    Once again contagious vorrac might be good here
    Also thirsting roots and probably cut a color (blue or red i'd say)

  • @cupcakeapplesauce
    @cupcakeapplesauce Před 5 měsíci

    Looking back on it, this standard was brutal to artifacts/enchantments

  • @santosmoralesolvera4949

    In my opinion, 4 street wraith and 4 Mishra's bauble just for free draw and consistency. Excellent videos!

  • @3N3MYKN1GHT
    @3N3MYKN1GHT Před rokem

    Having a tutor seems invaluable to me, my list plays dig up, but if you are on atraxa plan you should probably play cruelty of gix

  • @jamesrule1338
    @jamesrule1338 Před rokem +1

    Modern deck that needs to be made: monument tribal:

  • @UniGya
    @UniGya Před rokem

    The big problem I'm seeing, other than just how many lands 9 lands is, is that it requires you to play so many bad spheres to get it up. Maybe in Historic where you can play snow basics to up the number of untapped lands you can run would be more viable, only running Mirrex, Seedcore, and Mycosynth Gardens plus a couple snow covered versions of your basics to have more than enough names

  • @efremvarnadoii2849
    @efremvarnadoii2849 Před rokem

    It's just u need to be in at least 4 colors to turn it on. It may get some lands but it's a lot of work

  • @salamanteri_
    @salamanteri_ Před rokem

    Seth using a superhero movie reference, in what world are we living?

  • @XTimTheEnchanterX
    @XTimTheEnchanterX Před rokem

    I feel like against the odds was due for a deck like this after quite a few kind of actually good decks recently haha

  • @Kosstheraidboss
    @Kosstheraidboss Před rokem

    This deck is like trying to set off a Rube Goldberg machine to kill the opponent while they are firing an AR-15 at you.

  • @williamhamilton9442
    @williamhamilton9442 Před rokem

    Just created a dimir defender toxic control deck. I love defenders.

  • @thecrazycapn
    @thecrazycapn Před rokem +1

    Topiary Stomper won't attack or block...but he will drive a car. Ahh Magic.

  • @MazemindTom
    @MazemindTom Před rokem

    Have you considered running skrelv in this deck to make monument toxic 10 and unblockable by a color?

  • @ShaytanUrus
    @ShaytanUrus Před rokem

    How about sprinkling Tamiyo's Protection to secure Atraxa and the Monument?

  • @mrpinguimninja
    @mrpinguimninja Před rokem

    30:05 this line is fragile to removal, but you could've triple blocked the trespasser and used two of the devils' triggers to kill the underdog

  • @Sanelora1
    @Sanelora1 Před rokem

    I must admit, Seth is the first thing I thought of when I saw the monument

  • @AricHaldan0782
    @AricHaldan0782 Před rokem

    I would definitely build my own version of this on arena if the economy was decent, but sadly I won't be able to dust it away so it's too much of a cost to brew around janky cards like this.

  • @wpmer
    @wpmer Před rokem +1

    Maybe Bushwack would have helped? Mana fixing turn one and fight spell later on.

    • @zigzag2370
      @zigzag2370 Před rokem +1

      I think some sort of split between that and the one that searches for a land or proliferates....swing with the monument and proliferate for one mana in second end step

    • @muditjohar5323
      @muditjohar5323 Před rokem

      If you are using it as a fight spell, you either have atraxa or monument, at which point it’s useless

    • @wpmer
      @wpmer Před rokem

      Atraxa's lifelink would have saved Seth a few times in the early games for sure

  • @bryankopkin6869
    @bryankopkin6869 Před rokem

    Id like to see this deck in a different format. It could potentially be good with just a ramp deck that plays Karn and you get the Monument from your sideboard w/ Karn.

  • @jrjamesson
    @jrjamesson Před rokem

    the first few matches felt more like "against the odds: atraxa but with bad mana and 4 dead cards (monument)"

  • @charlessmith208
    @charlessmith208 Před rokem

    We need monument to perfection + rootpath purifier commander against the odds. Basically just straight green blue ramp with artifact copying. Rootpath Purifier to turn all the monuments online.

  • @Sxcheschka
    @Sxcheschka Před 10 měsíci

    It was stupidly jank, but when it worked, it was sooooo satisfying!!!

  • @SnakeyBoiii871
    @SnakeyBoiii871 Před rokem

    I'd swap Depopulate for White Sun's Twilight. It wipes and one mite getting in ends it for the opponent.

  • @Lunaraia
    @Lunaraia Před rokem

    If you want a crazy Against the odds, try making an "Eye" creature type deck... without Changeling, it's gonna be hard to win with.

  • @shapooopiefour7173
    @shapooopiefour7173 Před rokem

    May use one of those “opponents get a poison counter” cantrips so Monument is a one-shot?

  • @jamesgordon364
    @jamesgordon364 Před rokem

    Omg it's a locus tutor!

  • @BosSoxFan15
    @BosSoxFan15 Před rokem

    Seth is a national treasure inting his tier 1 rank for our entertainment.

  • @gabekeeter6415
    @gabekeeter6415 Před 8 měsíci

    Skrelv needs to be in this deck, can add toxic 1 to a creature for a phyrexian white at instant speed

  • @nathanb7733
    @nathanb7733 Před rokem

    The equipment that gives 1 toxic could be a good option. Activating the monument is cheap enough to allow the equipping the same turn

  • @CyberNewType
    @CyberNewType Před rokem

    For all the work it takes, it should have been a one shot. In formats with only 20 life, and at 9 power and needing two hits, the toxic is more flavor text than anything.

  • @KebbieG
    @KebbieG Před rokem

    I think you would have done better with monument if you played Pioneer/Explorer. It is much easier to turn on with snow covered and normal basics. You have Cultivate and Sad robot to get each option.

  • @wesmorris3529
    @wesmorris3529 Před rokem

    i actually think hardcasting atraxa actually hurts this deck i believe that slot could be something that either benefits the deck or keeps you alive. Drag to the bottom? There was also several occasions that you didn't grab mirrex to get 1 point of poison damage in. Which puts them dead to 1 monument attack.

  • @deadeye160
    @deadeye160 Před rokem

    Snow basics would so help this deck

  • @JohnSwan-rl8or
    @JohnSwan-rl8or Před rokem +1

    I wish I got to see a competent magic player pilot the deck to see if it has any legs. As it is Seth just concedes at the first sign of a challenge 🤷‍♂

  • @jasonhamler4507
    @jasonhamler4507 Před rokem

    @32:32 Nice

  • @Kushiel13
    @Kushiel13 Před rokem

    I’m shocked that Infectious Inquiry isn’t in this. The deck is probably so much worse when you need to hit with Monument twice.

  • @kirillm2517
    @kirillm2517 Před rokem

    I think the monument would be really cool if it had trample. Then it's still 2 attacks to win, but can't be chumped effectively.

  • @dracish123456789
    @dracish123456789 Před rokem

    Here to promote monoMountain Gruul as per usual.

  • @Goldfisher
    @Goldfisher Před rokem

    This week on Against the Odds: Is a vanilla 9/9 for 9 strong enough to take games in standard? Let’s find out! (It isn’t but I commend your attempt Seth).

  • @Erictraiven
    @Erictraiven Před rokem

    Why u get two segments when winning at platinum?

  • @Zander2212
    @Zander2212 Před rokem

    1:50 atleast on this screen, you're missing the seedcore.

  • @Steamer-fp1nl
    @Steamer-fp1nl Před rokem

    8:15 were you not able to exile it with Leyline?

  • @BIGDTHEVILLAIN76
    @BIGDTHEVILLAIN76 Před rokem

    Surprise the legendary mite didn't make the cut. It gives 1 more toxic making it lethal

  • @matthewsanchez7953
    @matthewsanchez7953 Před rokem

    Looks like this is one of those decks that Shuffler absolutely shits on for some reason.

  • @Umbral-Hero
    @Umbral-Hero Před rokem

    It should really have indestructible even before turning into a creature. Either that or the sphere lands should be even remotely playable

  • @allanturmaine5496
    @allanturmaine5496 Před 3 měsíci

    I wonder if he'll ever reach the point where he's better known as Seth.

  • @ShrikeSeven
    @ShrikeSeven Před rokem

    Pretty sure they arent in standard, but do snow lands count as separate lands for the monument count?

  • @Atmapalazzo
    @Atmapalazzo Před rokem

    "The one person who believes in aggro still"
    Signs of a healthy format /sarcasm

  • @TheCubicalGuy
    @TheCubicalGuy Před rokem

    20:45 Why did you not negate the abrade?

  • @joshuakruger4851
    @joshuakruger4851 Před rokem

    Wait, why couldn't you cast Atraxa at 10:15? You had all the colors right?

    • @joshuakruger4851
      @joshuakruger4851 Před rokem

      I think you missed that the seedcore taps for any color of mana for Phyrexian spells since you tapped it for colorless when tapping for her later.

  • @michaelcoyle1564
    @michaelcoyle1564 Před rokem

    What a monumental video

  • @BrawndoTheThirstMutilator

    is there like an MTGGoldfish modern channel I'm missing? this just seem to be 90% standard

  • @MrMcGueGue
    @MrMcGueGue Před rokem

    I'd be so salty playing against that Grixis deck. They never didn't have it

  • @STYKE42
    @STYKE42 Před rokem

    32:32 nice.

  • @douglasharris6912
    @douglasharris6912 Před rokem

    i think its all 9 because of the 9 spheres of phyrexia. so flavor reasons basically

  • @0Whitelottus0
    @0Whitelottus0 Před rokem

    32:33 N I C E

  • @ebonezra8073
    @ebonezra8073 Před rokem

    I've tried a similar deck and I've won a single time... with White Sun's Zenith. There was a game where I was able to make the 9/9, but after all the hoops you have to jump through, it doesn't even have haste. I was so disappointed... this gets got by portal hole from a mile away... what a waste of a card. Perfection? Ha! Not...