MEGA Vintage Lot of British Train Cars from eBay - How Will They Roll?
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- čas přidán 20. 07. 2023
- Last year I purchased a huge lot of British locomotives from eBay and have since been restoring them however I don't have much in the way of rolling stock for them to pull so I've been on the lookout for some.
I stumbled across this massive lot of over 45 different pieces of rolling stock on eBay and had my heart set on winning the auction. I placed a solid bid and it worked out.
Today I finally get to open the box and see what exactly I purchased. - Zábava
14:13 That's a King Arthur Class. Interestingly it's prototype engines 783 had three funnels. They were used to hide it in a cloud of steam during the war.
0:58 that's an old Hornby Dublo brake van from the 1950s. They switched from tinplate to plastic bodies by the 60s.
1:12 that one is Swiss, which I can tell by the SBB CFF lettering
1:25 that's called a lowmac. Usually a large crate would come with it
1:39 that HAA-type hopper was introduced in the 60s and was one of the first hoppers to be fitted to load and unload without coming to a complete stop
2:22 You are correct in calling that German. DB is the West German railway company while DR was the East German company
2:26 that's called a shunter's truck. It carried tools to help shunt wagons around a yard
2:40 warped roofs are common on the old tri-ang stuff
3:26 Mainline was later bought by Bachmann. This model is known as a toad brake van.
3:34 that one would've hauled luggage or newspapers. It's known as a general utility van
4:55 this is a later Tri-ang Hornby model. It's an ex-Caledonian Railway coach in LMS colors
5:12 that one is designed to run both in Britian and the rest of Europe
10:23 that's clearly a German car.
A lot of those cars would need larger wheels than North American models do, and some are designed to not easily have their axles replaced. Hornby still makes operating mail cars and mail stations so you could easily find one that works with more modern track.
3:48 looks like a repainted Tri-ang pullman coach
Thanks for all the info
Just by the sound of the 4-wheeled cars, they may need some weight due to being too light. Overall, this is a great find.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I think so, probably a bit of oil too.
The Regent is a petrol (gas) tanker. The U.D. is a milk tanker. The Severn Tunnel is a tool box wagon, the plain blue coach is a utility vehicle. Thank you for giving me courage to strip down locos after watching your videos.
You mentioned one item almost looked abandoned...now that might be a nice display!
Maybe so
1:23 Those two wagons are, well, just that, wagons. The first, the LMS, is a 7-plank wagon, named as such because the sides are composed of seven stacked planks(yes, I know, but hey, it's simple and it works, doesn't it?). The second is a metal mineral wagon. And yes, most "cars" are called wagons in the UK and Europe. 1:25 THAT, which I just discovered today, is called a lowmac. They serve the same function as drop center flatbeds over here in North America, which is to carry loads, such as large vehicles, that would normally be too tall on a standard flatbed. 1:57 That is an actual European drop center! Huh. Guess there were two variants, the lowmac for smaller loads, and the four-axle for heavier items. 2:28 I believe that's possibly a weight test car, or a car carrying a huge toolbox. I'm sure someone will correct that in a reply. 3:26 Ahhhh, the GTW Toad! No joke, that's actually what they're nicknamed, via the GTW's telegraphic code. Heck, Toad from Thomas the Tank Engine was named that BECAUSE of the nickname.
'Severn Tunnel Junction' is a shunter's truck. Used commonly with shunting locos in yards. The locker on the top was used for shunting poles, chocks and re-railing equipment. The wagon was designed to give shunting workers a more safe platform.
'Severn Tunnel Junction' used to have a MASSIVE freight yard & is where the Severn Tunnel goes under the Bristol Channel between Wales/England.
Thanks for the info.
That Severn Tunnel wagon is what I believe is a shunters wagon which I think would provide extra brakes for hauling trains in yards where they wouldn't put together all the airbrake hoses, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
The Blue coach is a Southern Region Maunsell baggage car which was used on the Southerns top express trains up until the late 70s/early 80s
Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that.
@@SMTMainline no problem - as a UK modeller I find it interesting to see these US models as my collection of US outline locos is very thin
I have a model railroad too and just like you ive had derailments and accidents. Unfortunately i have had something like when the Acela flew off the table. I dropped a locomotive one day and the front plow sheered, breaking the couplers. Along with that, it bent the frame. But of course accidents do happen and even with perfect track and good maintenace we just cant prevent it. Your videos have inspired me to begin fixing up my trains and give them actual maintenance like an actual railroad. So i wanted to thank you for that.
That intercity looks neat.
3:40its an baggage car. Would go behind passenger cars and the green car is a sothern rail Pullman coach (aslo the same kind used in the orient express)
The tiny freight cars need a weight added to each of them to reduce derailing. You could add a load on the top of them to
cover the weights.
Nice hall, it look like you have a good start on you new collection. Thanks for the video Harrison.
severn tunnel junction is a junction for the tunnel that goes beneath the Bristol Channel between England and Wales. the vehicle is a shunters truck
Harrison,
With all the British-outline rolling you have now, a Thomas the Tank Engine model in HO pulling those cars wouldn't look out of place.
Perhaps a model of Thomas could be your acquisition?
Regards, Jonathan.
Loved the original show as a kid but I'm not really interested in adding one to the collection.
Nice haul!
It’s awesome to see the European freight cars and passenger cars running on your layout
1:22 Normal Trucks. They're named by the amount of planks. Like a 7 planker, 3 planker,... . The second one is out of steal meaning it's a mineral wagon.
Here’s a list to help:
1:16 that is a large wheelbase open wagon, sorta similar to the gondolas we have in North America
1:23 the LMS on is a private owner wagon, and they were used to transport many materials as well as minerals and stone. The brown one is a steal-side mineral wagon for transporting coal, gravel, stone and other similar materials
1:27 that car is known as a lowmac, and it was used for transporting overweight loads
1:50 most British cars only have four wheels surprisingly, exept extremely modern ones and the occasional older wagon
1:54 that one is meant to be a van (known here as a box car)
2:26 not sure if it’s German or not, but it has British OO Gauge couplings
2:27 that is as shunters truck, it was used for storing tools for working in rail yards
3:15 I believe that needed to be assembled by the modeller
3:36 that is a luggage bogie van that would be on passenger trains for storing the passengers suitcases, etc.
5:30 so cool to see so much old Hornby Dublo stuff
7:00 that is actually quite accurate to how mail prosecutors used to work in the U.K.
Great video as always SMT!
Thank you so kindly!
@@SMTMainline no problem
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I think the wagon at 1:16 is from Märklin.
The wagon at 2:26 is from Fleischmann.
Great Video.
@@veitwilberg1277 couldn't say myself, as I don't know much about Marklin or Fleshmann, but your probably right. Interestingly though the wagon at 1:16 was also used in the U.K. as far as I know.
@@veitwilberg1277i have the one from fleischmann
Really awesome. I'm glad to see more British rolling stock. I need to get some and a couple British locomotives.
Triang wagons were originally made from cellulose acetate plastic which had a tendency to warp, so they switched to ABS plastic. That wagon and coach with warped rooves could be made of CA plastic.
The box is so big i thought it was the table for a sec 😂
10:30 - you're right. This vehicle is a German luggage van (what we call a baggage car in Great Britain), presumably a Deustche Bundesbahn (West Germany's equivalent to British Rail) luggage van. Unlike the other vehicles in the lot, this particular luggage van is H0 scale, as opposed to 00. H0 and 00 might share the same track gauge, 16.5mm but as far as scale is concerned, H0 is built to a scale of 3.5mm : 1ft (1 : 87) while 00 boasts a scale of 4mm : 1ft (1 : 76). So out of the two, H0 is the most accurate. As you can imagine, H0 is not widely available in Britain but in such countries as France, Germany, and the USA.
Nice collection you got there Harrison. I'm confident that with a little work you will have everything running smoothly again.
The rough green passenger carriage is an ex pullman carriage thats been roughly painted green. They are usually dark chocolate and cream in colour ,, you can see the embossed ANNE and PULLMAN under the paint.
The bent roofs and plastics was due to the makers using cellulose accetate and were prone to buckle and warping and these were made upto 1955 and before.
They used it in nealry all there models including locos and I have a few platforms here made by triang and the have deformed warped and they could easily pass as a skateboard ramps , haha.
The best thing you can do to keep these old triang lima and hornby rolling stock rolling good is to give them the smallest drops of oil on the axles and do some defluffing to them too as the fluff and fibres and hairs be it animal or humans hair from previous owners does tend to make the carriages drag a heap.
It seems that you have some either dirty track or weak joints in your bridge area as there is a fair bit of stoppy starty and hestatance going on where your bridge line goes.
The fisrt steam loco you put on only needs the hook or pin from moving as all the weight of the tender and what you are towing takes all the weight. It just needs tighening and possibly a few drops of superglue to hold it firm and tight.
What did you pay for the job lot and what country did you buy the lot from (if you dont mind me asking) and was the postage (shipping) expensive as iv seen sellers on ebay charge up to $90 ausd for something that will fit in an envelope and post to here in oz for less than $12 Australian.
Anyhoo keep up the good videos m8.
Cheers from John in Australia
Nice haul Harrison. Two separate cars having damage in the same area could be either the same manufacturer lot got some bad plastic, a bad mold run or stress/pressure crack or just happened to have taken a similar hit.
2:34 - the toolbox on this wagon reads 'Severn Tunnel Junction'. This vehicle is a match truck. Match trucks would normally accompany a shunting engine around a goods/freight yard for example (but not always). On the other hand, Severn Tunnel Junction is where the main line running through the Severn Tunnel (the second longest railway tunnel in Britain), linking London with Cardiff meets another line which runs across the England/Wales border, to such places as Gloucester and Cheltenham (avoiding the Severn Tunnel).
The first tanker you found is a diesel oil carrier. The blue van is a fish van and needs a grey roof. The Severn Tunnel Junction vehicle is a shunters truck. It would be attached to the front of an 0 6 0 diesel shunter to give it enough length for track circuits. UD stands for United Dairy. The first hopper you found is an HAA. They were used in long rakes in the 1970s and 80s for tansporting coal from mines to power stations. The blue and grey coaches are not for use in an HST. They were 1960's built stock hauled by locomotives. Your class 31 is a perfect partner.
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Terrific video Harrison! Nice to see you using that reversing section! Hope to see more British trains on the channel soon!
Thanks, it's the first time I've had that section working in years.
3:30 - this vehicle is a GWR (Great Western Railway) 20-ton brake van, known as a 'Toad', according to its telegraph code name.
4:42 - this another example of non-passenger coaching stock. In this case, an ex-LMS (London, Midland & Scottish Railway) TPO (Travelling Post Office) coach. This particular coach is designed to pick up and drop off mail on the go. Even the model does this except, of course of scaled-down mail pouches. On the real railways, British Rail dispensed with this operation in 1971 although the TPO's remained in operation until about 2003. Today, only a handful of mail is transported by rail.
A lot of people seemed to have covered the wagons, here's some comments on the coaches.
3:35 Southern Railway/Southern Region GUV (General Utility Van) in BR livery. Mostly used for parcels, baggage and light weight traffic, but suitable for passnger speeds.
3:51 Pullman Car, probably BR (SR livery). Lloks like it mjght have been repainted.
4:03 BR Mk2 TSO. Predates the HST by a few years (HST trailers are Mk3's) but stayed in service long after they were introduced.
4:18 Think that's the centre car from a triang DMU.
4:33 Another Mk2, this time a Brake first. The lima models aren't bad for their age.
4:44 As others have commented, Hornby dublo (tinplate) operating mail coach.
4:56 Prior to the repaint, i think this was a hornby/triang calendonian Railway coach.
5:02 A different Hornby/triang operating mail car, this time a (factory, but fictional) repaint of one from the transcontinental HO (ish) range, after hornby took over triang. Almost certainly 2rail.
5:26 A triang suburban coach I think. Maybe.
5:34 Hornby dublo, later production, might be two rail compatible. Some similarities to both BR Mk1's and late LMS coaches, but not really anything specific.
5:39 Another dublo mail car, plastic means its newer than the first, couldn't seet the mech, but it also might be two rail.
5:50 (Upper) I think its a BR Mk1 roughly repajnted in LNER teak.
5:50 (Lower) nkg sure of the parentage, but I'd guess hornby/triang. GWR livery.
6:13 Same again.
6:31 That mailcoach set is the BR maroon equivalent of the other hornby/triang continental one. It's definitely 2 two rail, but to a much cruder track standard than anything recent.
Thanks for this detailed info!
Nice OO scale haul😁
3:37 - this vehicle is an ex-Southern Railway luggage van. Before the end of steam on British Rail (before 1968, let's say), it would have been painted green. But the reason it's blue is because in the 1970s and '80s, blue and grey coaches, let's say we're the norm on BR.
Interesting haul of UK and German rolling stock. I bet the derailments were a result of the deep flanges of the cars and lightweight 2 axle ones!
A very interesting assortment of rolling stock. I’m inspired to pick up a few English models to add some curiosity and interest to my layout. Maybe run it as a tourist train.
Very nice lot you got there. Something out of the ordinary that You Don't see on this channel. I noticed how you had the inner-city going nice and easy at first and then you ramped up the power. I bet if it was the real one the conductor would be telling all the passengers to hold on to their coffee or something. Or maybe even put it in travel mugs with a sealed top so they don't have it go flying lol. Then as they go around the curves everybody lean in lol nice vintage stuff I'm sure Sam on. Sam's trains would be in his glory
I do enjoy seeing British stuff.
You need to put some of the old stuff in a old siding as if it was left abandoned
I like that idea
@@SMTMainline thanks 😊
Great haul! One thing that I would be interested in is seeing the physical size difference between OO and HO scale on something like a passenger car. I'm big on them but it seems there are many more kinds in the UK market versus the US market, I'm not about to spend Hiawatha money either! I know on paper what the scale difference is I just wondered how that translates to real world, i.e. would OO passenger cars look goofy large with a HO loco pulling them?
OO scale trains are 1:76.2 whereas HO trains are 1:87 so the difference can be spotted. I still run both however, since many newer models are HO.
@@SMTMainline Hornby, Bachmann Branchline, and basicly every other country I the UK still use OO surprisingly. Personally I'm comfortable running both OO and HO myself, since most OO stuff is British anyways, and what they ran over there tended to be smaller, so personally I think it looks more in scale. Most rivit counters would disagree there though...
@@SMTMainlineA few items of British locomotives and rolling stock were made in HO scale by Lima, Playcraft, Joueff and Fleischman. If you compare the size of these rare British HO items from the sixties and seventies with the equivalent OO models they look tiny.
UK buyers did not like the tiny look compared to OO and also being a non standard range.
They correctly reflect that trains in the UK are much smaller than every other country. However on layouts we are so used to everything being the same height and width that correct sizing of UK equipment looks odd.
These HO models were not made for long. Lima had much more success when they changed to OO for their UK models. Like a few you have.
Comparing the height and width of a US HO coach and a UK OO should show much the same height and width. You can calculate how much smaller the UK coach would be in HO.
Well, I finally started work on my O scale three rail layout.
By the way, if you ever decide to get any more O scale locomotives, look for Marx. Marx made very reliable model trains, so much so that many collectors have declared that "a broken Marx train is a rare one".
Really nice European haul you got off eBay Harrison. I’ll tell you British trains are cool!
these British train cars look great!!
4:01 - this vehicle is a British Rail Mark 2 coach. Its successor, the BR Mark 3 is compatible with an HST set (or Intercity 125).
As it says on the big red box that was a Triang operating mail coach set. As always Oscar Paisley has a very useful and instructive vid on it worth searching for.
Triang made that very economical mechanical way of replicating how mailbags were picked up and delivered on the move without the train needing to stop.
A big selling point for Triang and I was pleased that it was included in my first electric trains. Even though they were all used.
The Hornby Dublo metal version had a much more complicated electric mechanism and special pickup arrangement needed .
Hornby Dublo choosing the expensive way of doing things had them broke by 1964 when they asked Triang to take them over.
Triang over the years made different version of the mail coach like the blue and grey one you also have. All work with the pickup and delivery tracks.
The tiny mail bags might be hard to find but viewing an Oscar vid might inspire you to make a copy mail bag from scrap plastic of the right size.
I would like to see a train made up of the tinplate Oil cars. Thanks for sharing.
I love seeing these vintage trains back on the rails again.
3:34 That Is An Express Parcels Coach. 4:03 InterCity 125 Never Pulled MK2s Coaches. 5:35 These Triang MK1 Coaches Are From The 50's And They Tend To Warp After A Few Years.
2.34 that wagon is a Great Western Railway shunting wagon which was stationed at Severn Tunnel Junction in south-east wales
we need to get this man to 100k
Nice rolling stock
3:46 - this coach is meant to be a Pullman coach but it's been given a lick of green paint, typical of the Southern Railway (later the Southern Region of British Rail).
4:20 - this coach (what we call a passenger car in Great Britain) is a Southern Railway (or at least BR Southern Region) non-corridor coach.
2:34 that’s actually a shunter’s truck. They were used to carry tools while the truck was shunted by a locomotive
Hi Harrison, Intercity 125's only ran with MK3 coaches with a powercar at each end of the train, Hornby's original MK3 coaches were made too short for them to negotiate radius 1 trainset curves, Lima made their MK3's scale length and later MK3's by Hornby were also scale length, since intercity 125's were replaced on high speed routes by newer multiple units some can still be seen on the mainline hauling Colas and Network Rail test trains which can be formed of MK1, MK2 and MK3 coaches, keep up the great videos, regards from the UK, Scott.
This is kinda an odd suggestion but maybe it would be cool to make basically a junkyard for damaged/bad condition locomotives and rolling stock
Airfix is also part of the hornby scalectrix company...the blue and grey royal mail cart does work very similar to that triang set( though I dont know for sure the activators will line up) the cart would pick up " mail" sacks withe the scoop side then eject them out the other side into collection bin( my brother still has one) you will likely have trouble with switches on regular h.o. track as the flange sizes are considerably larger on o.o. gauge than the h.o. track but nice collection
Love the vids keep it up
4:02 is a MK1 coach where as the IC125 would be using a MK3
4:35 is a MK1 Brake Corridor Composite Coach
5:35 those tri-ang coaches are know to warp like that with age due to the plastic used, nicked named banana coches
Hey SMT! I really liked the hersheys factory, and I live in pennsy about 45 minutes away for Hershey park and the Hershy’s factory here. I have a request for your layout: the Bethlehem steel factory, A.K.A. Steel stacks. I it is also near the National Museum of Industrial History. It is one of my favorite places to visit, and would love to see it on your layout. If you are reading this, thank you for making it this far. That is all. Great day from Pennsylvania!
Nice haul ! Looks like you may have some Marklin in that lot . Restoration of those vintage locomotives and rolling stock is the fun part of the hobby , keep up the good work !
You have some of the old Hornby Dublo stuff from the 1950s, the Mobil tank is one; they have Peco Couplings.
When this was released i was in hamburg, germany and i watched it there in our hotel room
Looks to me that the green ' orient express car' used to be an umber and cream pullman, repainted into Sr green - great video by the way!
1:56 - this vehicle is supposed to have a roof. Fortunately, you can buy a 3D-printed roof which is compatible with it.
The Hornby Dublo stock may be a problem on modern track as the Dublo track had a third centre rail for one polarity of the power and the two normal rails caried the other polarity so the wheels and axles wouldn't necessarily be insulated and could therefore cause a short on modern track. Incidentally I always used to pronounce it dub - low as an abbreviation for double O or OO the size of the track similar to HO but the scale is different.
The little oil or petrol/gas tankers would be appropriate to British scene of say the 1950s as there were very few cars compared to today so oil was moved in smaller quantities.
Hi I do believe your getting marklin ( German) confused with O.O. ( hornby) as marklin ran with a 3 rail track
@@plutoyaldnil4750 Unfortunately I'm old enough to have played with three rail Hornby Dublo as a boy, they did move to two rail OO later and then merged with Triang.
If it was 3 rail AC it would have shorted on my track but it seemed fine.
The sand coloured Hornby flat car is from the Dino Safari Train Set.
9:01 I just realized there was one of those shunting trucks interspersed with the train. I didn’t even see that get unboxed!
I must have missed it.
The "green german passenger car" is from an extra highclass producer, from Roco, I have one of this, and it costs me 30 dollars, so you are lucky
They look nice hope to see them in a live stream
The first blue passenger car you pulled is a southern railway luggage van. They would’ve been on the southern railways long distance express passenger trains
You need a class 37 and or a Deltic for pulling the freight wagons….👍🏻👌🏼
Love the Briish
profile passenger coaches. I have been able to sell all I have acquired here in the states.
Maybe set up a OO gauge layout for your British novelties. Cheers from eastern TN
you should keep the old cars looking old and make yourself your own model railway railroad museum called " SMT'S railway museum "
The roof bend on the dublo coach I quite common when not serviced and happens with age when its not being held down properly in the mold slot to keep in place.
I think it was a mold issue.
A lot of the euro freight cars only have 4 wheels compared to the bogies we have here in North America.. looks like you have a baggage or mail car. And their passenger trains have swing door cars, something we haven't had on this side of the world. You would be interested in getting yourself a RTG set.. They ran for Amtrak and Via Rail.
That mail car set is like, my childhood. My grandparents had a layout that was all triang and hornby stuff and the mail coach was my favorite part, sadly it was sold in an auction when they moved.
11:23 This Is The First Time I See This Side Of The Layout. Never saw that yard from the other shots.
Timestamp 1:55 I think that's for smaller 0-6-0 steams
2:27 thats a shunters wagon many shunter around the uk would have those while shunter trains and could use it to get in hard to reach places
hello smt mainline it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks friends randy
You should build a British layout and that be blue coach DOSNT GO WITH THE INTERCITY 125 !!!
It would be cursed
Had my fingers crossed there was a Harry Potter coach in there. I would have bought it off, ya lol. Next time, Harrison🚂🇨🇦
The green marklin baggage car you have is much shorter than a lot of the passenger cars I have. But it's still cool to see a long car made by marklin
The first item is a Hornby Dublo (Double O) Probably 3-rail. NICE STUFF!!!!! The last item ia COLLECTOR GRADE Don't mess up the box and CAREFULLY repackage it!!!
Hornby quit making 3-rail Dublo around 1960 and Triang bought Hornby in 1964. Triang then used Hornby's name. The Dublo tooling went to a company known as Wrenn. Wrenn stuff is VERY RARE and valuable. Here's a link to a CZcams channel that features Triang and 3-rail Dublo You'll get hooked, I know I want some 3 rail Dublo!!!!! www.youtube.com/@oscarpaisley
Cheshire is the most modern of the steam locos and I think it was first released in 1981 and the 125 first being release in 1982.
10:30 standard European length 26,4m. Restaurant cars are even longer.
It might be that the wonky-roof cars might have ACETATE parts, which are notorious for warping with age.
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It seems to me that many of those cars need some weights. 40 or 50 grams of lead or steel for each car should be good and will keep most of those derailments from happening. As you showed in the footage, many of the cars were bouncing around on the track and that is never good.
2:28 that's a shunting truck
I LIKE THEM ALL
Very nice lot SMT, I don't currently really care about the British stuff but I really enjoyed this haul. keep em coming!
3:35 That's an Utility Van or Mail Van. Just a longer van.
Not a fan of the European rolling stock when it comes to model railroads with the exception of the Hogwarts Express. Enjoy Railfanning videos of European trains though.
You're going to be another year older, Harrison, before you open your birthday present. 😂
Thanks for sharing. 👍🐾👍
The Hogwarts express is actually based of a real locomotive, Olten Hall, A Great Western Hall Class Locomotive. Many of the Great Western locos actually look quite simular, so you might actually like their locomotives a bit. If your from North America though, and didn't grow up with TTTE, then I could decently see why you wouldn't like stuff from over there.
@@ModelRailwayFan38yes, it all depends on what you grew up with. North American locomotives (especially the sound of the whistles and horns) and railcars are completely different from those in Europe. Love the Japanese high speed rail system.
@@davidztog9011 ya for sure!
3:56 COACH! Or a carriage. I much more prefer Coach.
this info you may already know but i'll share it anyways
3:26 the mainline toolings would later become part of bacmeen branchline if i remeber correctly
Good Job.
Thanks!
so how long untill thomas shows up
Another jackpot. Nice vintage lot you got there. I like it "ALOT".............get it??? 🤣😂 From Texas
Lol