I found the documentary biased, however it did me Google lot's of stuff and actually, biased or not it was a serious wake up call. The bycatch, those destructive trawlers, the vast decline of fish stocks, the slavery on fishing boats, boats fishing where they shouldn't be fishing... there is zero sustainability if you ask me. How can they even say some are sustainable when the total market isn't, so fish stocks do decline. Only thing we can do is drastically cut fishing. Those big boats are sterilizing our oceans
The madness of industrial fishing is simply out of control! Also the countries that tend to blame asia are to blame as well! The biggest fishing fleet is as an example run by the EU. There is a lot to learn on the topic and if the docu makes people think and research a bit more.... then it does the trick!
While other Marine biologist reviews center around misrepresentation of statistics and not the damage itself, I found this review amazing as it went a step further and exposed us to the issues that are not included in documentary.
And exactly that was the intention. Yes, some numbers are not up to date and have been discussed for a while, however I don't think that is the point. If we are running out of fish because of miserable fisheries management does it really matter when exactly we rech the breaking point? In my opinion not that much, and I believe picking apart the statistics does not help anayone, rather questions it all once again and undermines the effect of the movie....
I thought the movie was depressing, really depressing... and that was the point of it. Yes, it was emotional in places but I think it had to be for people to sit up and listen. The facts outlined in the movie have been around for years but what government or profit-driven organisation has ever done anything about it to address the issues? The biggest take-away for me was the explanation of the food chain, not from the bottom-up as you described, but from the top-down. Remove the predators from the top and the next level of predators down take over. At this point we've already upset the food chain. Remove them and we're down to the next level, and so on. Once this starts happening there really is no going back, and once that chain has been depleted, that's it, game over. The ocean will just be a toxic soup plankton and plastic and the stats he shows of fish decline since the 70s tells us we're about to break the food chain, we're almost there already. The saddest part of all this is how governments are complicit. You hit the nail on the head when you said our economic model doesn't support sustainable fishing. Capitalism is about growth, sustainable fishing isn't. Capitalism wins because governments and organisations don't care about tomorrow. It's only about profit. That's the most depressing part of all this, we live in a world where people just don't care how significant this situation is.
Well said! The hope i have is that foodchains are to an extend self balancing. So the movie was very much simplifying that and a new balance can be found and usually would. However we would keep exploiting and kicking the system. It feels like we are playing jenga on a massive scale, taking out stones from a sensitive system and it is a matter of time until things collapse... People sadly need a big hit (emotional or otherwise) to listen and this was well executed in the movie
The docu is as reliable as Cowspiracy or What the Health. Only "under educated" audience might get fooled. Scientists, sustainable development professionals, economists, investigative journalists have slammed all over the world. Just a very big missed opportunity. Also, sustainable fishing has been proven, it needs to scale up not being destroyed by some frat boy and a camera. Please check UN FAO fishery department.
I've watched Seaspiracy 3 times, twice in order to experience it, the third to write down and do research on it. This movie changed my whole perspective on everything. I have a personal investment in caring about this topic because I happen to be working in an industry that sells seafood. for me, the ethics of how I earn a living concern me deeply.
It is incredible to see/read the people from the industry care. And just to be clear, i am well aware that fishermen and people selling fish are not the issue (even though in sales you can make relevant choices) really it is the big companies that run the fleet that should get their act together and make sure they still have a business in 20 years down the road...
I started working in the Fishing industry in 2014, and after just three months I realized what was going on and decided that I did no longer wanted to take part in the destruction of our beautiful planet, so I quit and now live on a plant based diet. We DONT need to eat fish and we have to leave the Ocean alone, or our children's, children, will not have a future. It's as simple as that. We must 'Wake Up' to this reality, all of us please.
I would add a huge thank you on the music selection though... Thank you for not choosing a ukulele jingle accompanied by whistling. If I watch one more CZcams with that in the background, I will add to ocean pollution by throwing my phone in one. See, you're already doing good things 👍🤓
Thank you for creating the video! It was very informative and I liked that you spoke about the things that were not mentioned in Seaspiracy but are equally important for consumers to know :) I watched another Seaspiracy review by a marine biologist and she just focused on the negative aspects of the documentary.
Sadly the very negative feedback happened a fair bit. Blame it on big egos threatened hy a non biologist reaching a bigger audience than their research work... sadly also a side of the science community
Thank you for a great explanation of the "stuff" that was left out of the movie. So depressing what we are doing to the oceans, but awareness is key - so please continue to spread this awareness - lets all spread this awareness and hope that in the end it can make a difference. Next time you don't need the background music - your voice is just fine :o)
Thank you for the hint! And thanks for your words. If you believe in our cause please do share our videos and content (we are working on this unpaid full time and more) simpky aiming to keep our oceans healthy, so all help is welcome+
Thanks for the pointer. Next time no music - or less loud? Not sure i always thought it helps people to keep attention (helps me but perhaps the exception) will do a piece on fishing practices this week so hapoy for advice
@@ProjectManaia just my two cents, the music sounds nice but just turn the volume down a bit because it sounds maybe a bit too loud atm. Great video and I learned a lot from it ☺️
Done deal! Just finished thw follow up (some fisheries methods explained in more detail) to go live tomorrow at 3pm CET Good news: volume of music is lower - a lot ;-)
I watched the movie and it is safe to say that I am left in shock. I have never been one to really eat fish but after watching the movie. I am officially cutting out all fish from my diet. The movie was very well done with somethings they said i felt was radical but on a serious topic, you have to be radical. The movie is a wake up call for all of us so pushing your friends and family to watch it would really help spread the message. Im also shocked to find that my taxes pay for such a horrible industry yet there is nothing that i can do about that which is frustrating. Overall, very eye opening
I don't know if this made it to comment but I wanted to mention is it not possible that the government of the United States at least prohibit fishing for every 2 to 3 years. Except for individual fishing like if I were to go with a fishing pole and catch a limited amount. I think it's truly a problem for any one food to be available to everyone all year round. There are seasons for certain fruits there should be seasons for fish like you cannot fish the oceans unless 3 years have passed. That way the oceans can recuperate. And if any big ships are caught catching fish and throwing out nets that they can be jailed for 5 to 10 years. Also never understand how Nasa can have funding for space exploration but not enough money to go into making something to clean the oceans...wouldn't it be great if they could make something that would not harm the marine life but would completely dissolve all plastics in the oceans. Or find some way they could filter it like a big water purifier. I'm not a scientist so I don't know if it's possible but I've always believed anything can be Made possible if those in higher positions cared enough. The earth will eventually come to an end, like all living things but if we could just care for it more then we cared for living on another planet then maybe things will get better for ours. Everything is what you prioritize. As far as triage is concerned the oceans would be on the top of the list to receiving care. It really needs life support
Many things could be done and technology is moving forward at rapis speeds! Removing microplastic is still an unsolved issue as far as i am aware since we cant even get it out of sewage before putting it back into rivers and see... A lot yet to be done!
that one beats me. I do have some suspicions though... Watch who people work for would be a big one (Follow the money.... once again) But also ego-issues. People don't like to be outsmarted by a "non scientist" who didn't go through the education they did - or rather don't like the fact that most of us (Scientists) simply suck in explaining complex things in simple words. And in that the movie beats us all for sure!
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i knew a bunch of these facts before watching it, but not to the extent, and learned a few things, about farmed fish, and or dragging the bottom of the ocean(never knew that) or equivalnet of scrapping the floor of the ocean like deforestation on land. Those labels on cans prove nothing, hard to prove or ever enforce, the inudstry is not regulated or very little.
Now you say, that the doco talk about the affect that eating fish has on health. But he literally had an experts, like Dr Michael Gregor explaining how fish were eating all the plastic & heavy metals, and humans eat those fish. Dr. Gregor also explained that all the contaminants in the fish negate any health benefits from eating them.
@@ProjectManaia I wonder if these marine biologists are in the pockets of Big Fish. If so, maybe the folks who made Seaspiracy, Cowspiracy, and What the Health can make a documentary titled Marinebiologistspiracy.
9:00 So what are WE doing to restore these areas? Maybe the world needs to collectively come together and remedy the waste management issue, firstly with the removal of waste products from OUR oceans. Offer jobs picking up rubbish on beaches all around the globe. Have fishing vessels help by collecting waste with nets in the affected areas, so long as wildlife can be SUSTAINABLE. This show really thought me to despise this word. Good educational video by the way.
Pole fishing and spear fishing should be the only fishing allowed. It will drive price sky high so you will either pay more or learn to fish. Problem solved.
@@ProjectManaia don't understand your comment. Kinki University reported the world's first full-cycle farmed tuna in 2002 and began sales in 2004. Today there are many Tuna farms.
@@alikazemi5491 i will check in on it. Simply cant picture how it could possibly work. Many call themselves farms but it is wild catch that is fattened up near shore. But i will look into it more
By no means on everything. In my particular case i did 10 years of fisheries inspections at sea and one year of research work on the MSC (obviously not for the MSC). Dont know avout the experiencw of all the nay saying marine biologists out there....
@@ProjectManaia don't get me wrong, you at least have the experience, but industrial fisheries are promoting and almost bribing some biology students, or other noon related fields person and make them look like "experts" even without high degrees or a single own scientific study, just because of the money. BTW, based on the experience you have, how is possible people get cheated and bamboozled by make them believe that a "sustainable seal/zero bycatch" on the products they buy, are real???
Honestly... i would say any label is better than none since it means someone has at the very least the intention of getting better. But that also is about as far as it goes. How people actually believe that a giant trawling net can be selective beats me. I think the main issue is that people are blissfully unaware of how their fish is caught in the first place. And this is the issue that has to be adressed! I feel like seaspiracy (while getting some very specific details wrong) did an excellent job in highlighting a selected few of those fisheries. Cant address them all in one movie, that would be an entire series of cruelty. I once saw certified fishermen (as in their catch had a label on them) cut open a shark, extrude the babies and take those with him to the galley while cutting the fins of the mother and throwing it back... and this is why i get so angry at fellow marine biologists who conplain about details of the movie without ever having seen what happens out at sea!
I have seen it the day it was available. I am a marine biologist as well. What struck me was the unfortunate form of the movie - highly emotional and emotion-evoking, bordering on propaganda. It reminded me a lot of Blackfish which was relying heavily on misinformation and straight-up lies. and had the same conspiracy-like and propaganda-like vibe to it. However, I do believe, that people absolutely need to see Seaspiracy precisely because it provokes to think and expose the viewer to some critical issues. Sadly, the majority of the population will either dismiss it completely or treat it as gospel because of how the movie was made.
Agreed on many points here. Emotion is a great key to peoples behavior though. Ones they are shocked they start to care and hopefully think along a bit more
You got my agreement there. A professor of mine used to say counting fish is like counting trees, only that they are invisible to us and move. Kind of makes a statement there in itself. There are many things, numbers and general ibformations we dont have, dont understand or cant possibly understand, which ultimately means that every number, every study and every statement can always just be as good as our best judgement at the time. We keep learning and correcting wrong assumptions in every field. Many no sayers will claim to know it all and have the answers. As far as i am concerned... i would go with this: wirst case our fish stocks are near collapsed, so we should cut down on fishing as we do it now. BEST case fish stocks are ok and IF we cut down on fishing the stocks get better. And we do know stocks are on a rapid decline. Same story as climate change all over. Just imagine we did everything we can to avoid a climate crisis and later it turnes out it wasnt really hapoening. How annoyed woukd we be that our plabet turned green again.... (sarkasm warning right here.... have to add it so i dont get crucified for the statement later)
We actually know so little about the marine environment, it is not even funny. It is depressing, at least to me. And at the same time, we seem to know enough to be able to see, that something is right. My only hope is that with fishery we will not need to wait a few decades to actually admit to the fact that we cannot go on like we do atm for long. We seem to have to broadly, realized that about climate. Time to bring in all the science and all the models and our best guesses to the table and blatantly present them to the world and say: Listen, if we value our existence, we need to rethink this approach we have or something will go terribly bad. We don't know exactly when and to what extent but early signs are there.
Thank you for the feedback, it is well noted. If you check the second part of this (fisheries explained) you will be happy to see there is no background music at all
the film was very interesting, it did say over half the plastic trash in the oceans is from commercial fishing enterprises, this number seems awfully high, is it credible? +50%?
This is one of the debatable number. On the floating part it might well be true, but fact also is the majority of plastic sinks to the bottom where it is a lot harder to quantify. And once it broke down into mikroplastics it is near impossible to determine the origin.... so.... perhaps yes, but debatable
yes the movie is very informative and just showed we have a far bigger problem than I could ever have imagined. Also explains why people from the carribbean and Africa are saying that so many species are on a decline also the way they fish is very primitive which allows marine life to recoop. So all in all an A grade documentary in my opinion 98% factual
At first, I was delighted that documentary about ocean has got so much attention. It was a wakeup call for many and hopefully, it has encouraged people to do more research on the topic. However, I did not appreciate how it downplayed some very big problems we face. Plastics or coral bleaching are very complex problems and I think it's irresponsible to blame all that on only one thing. Not every issue in the ocean is caused by fishing industry. Also, I don't mind that the movie was very emotional and dramatic (it makes it very impactful) but I think that overexaggerating the numbers and using outdated statistics is a dangerous game (not to mention completely unnecessary since the situation IS dire anyway) because it makes it easier for people who want to completely discredit the movie. Which could hurt the overall message. And that would be a shame since these are serious issues that need to be talked about!
There are plenty issues our oceans are facing. Fishing is one of them, warming, coral bleaches and habitat loss are others. With an intercomnected system it is easy to find reasons why one would affect the other ultimately all these things of course influence each other to an extend. We will need to start fixing them one after the other
So much to think about after watching the documentary, the environmental impacts and also the ethical implications. I don't eat seafood and have no intention to start. Probably will stop visiting those marine park with dolphin performance too. Also why isn't trawling banned?
Honestly.... no clue. I am focusing on the Mediterranean at the moment because i think here things will go south first, so it makes for a perfect testing ground to keep things going. We sure are trying our very best to kill things off but i hope the seas will bounce back the way they do... they are incredible systems that self heal to an incredible extend... but there is a limit to everything
Shame you have this loud music playing while he speaks, what makes very hard to understand what he says. Couldn't you edit the video and lower the soundtrack?
Hello! Great video - I appreciate your insight. I do have some thoughts and questions. I have heard so many scientists and marine professionals attempting to "debunk" the Seaspiracy film. I do agree that it was oversimplified and I understand why, but I thought it was well done. It started one heck of a conversation! I work in the seafood industry. I am a server at a restaurant working for a Chef who is deeply involved in a seafood labelling program. He is convinced that sustainable fishing practices do exist, and he seems to be quite "against" the Seaspiracy film. He says he support the fishers and the farmers. I know he believes in the work that he does, he believes he's making a difference, and I love his passion, but he speaks as if what he says is the absolute truth. He speaks as if there is no possibility that he could be wrong, as apparently everything he says is "science and fact-based." Everyone I have heard from speaks as if they know ALL of the facts, which makes it so hard to know or understand what's actually happening. They first thing so many people seem to disagree on is the idea that wild-caught fish will essentially be gone by 2048. What are your thoughts? Apparently the idea was "debunked" years back, and if so, why would Seaspiracy use that information? Why would conservationists like Paul Nicklen and Cristina Mittermeier use that information if it's wrong? Also, some seafood and marine professionals say that some fish populations are actually thriving (increasing I guess?) and that the ocean doesn't have a fish deficit. What are your thoughts?
Sorry, it was a long text to go through. 2048 was a date at some stage, there are newer reports cancelling that out. Clearly with MPAs in place in theory it is impossible to empty the oceans. However in reality you dont have to, getting below a critical mass is dangerous enough. So to make it short the number WAS accurate but has been updated (on a rolling basis) but in my opinion (and nobody has to agree with me) does it really matter exactly WHEN we are messing up things if the fact remains that we are messing with systems we dont even begin to understand?
Strange that there is no mention of the global reduction in phytoplankton numbers. I’ve heard approximately 40% since mid 20th century. Could you include something about this in your next video?
I will have to do some reading up on the topic but will happily add it to one of the next videos (Plankton is on the list of things to have a chat about, so it fits nicely!)
Everyone ignoring the elephant in the room, this planet CANNOT continue to sustain the incredible population we have, all other animals decline when their food source drops, we just plunder some other resource. overpopulation and greedy people capitalising on shortages will ultimately lead to massive problems that will dwarf anything we have ever experienced.
All with you! And did mention it too! There is too many of us, luckily we are ingenious when it comes to engineering harvests. But resources are limitted in the end... and that is a teuth we have to make friends with
Thank you for your comments, but the it is the basis of what you believe is the untruth, not what ou are saying within it, like maybe we shouldn't do commercial fishing in our seas not what mesh we use for the netting when we do.. So I am certain you can explain well from a_Z about lots of points within that, but it ignores the point for no commercial fishing is ok or something like hat
In a perfect world there would be no fishing at all and at the least no commercial one. However as I dont see this happening any time soon I try to point towards directions that might help to solve an immediate crisis that we are headed for. Hope that makes sense to you
The background music was needed too many marine biologists doing opinion vlogs need more music. But. Moby with a accent talking about ocean issues needs a music video.
Used to love seafood but it all started tasting very, very wrong to me around 15years ago.. not sure what it was that caused it but yeah.. None of this suprised me one iota.. Rotten.
Seaspiracy leaves us with a sense of utter despair. The unregulated world-wide fishing industry appears to be unstoppable, or if regulation is possible, it all seems too late for it to be able to slow down the rape of our oceans. Is the 2048 collapse of our oceans predicted in Seaspiracy a reality?
2048 is an older number. But we certainly are on a dangerous path, so dont get stuck on the numbers too much. Yes we already screwed up and lost a lot but it is not too late to avoid a complete collapse. Never is
@@ProjectManaia Not too late? WHO is going to stop all the unregulated INDUSTRIAL fishing trawlers from destroying our oceans, not to mention all the millions of small traditional fishing vessels? If anyone truly believes this is possible, they are delusional. Believers - please provide me with the solution.
Sounds a lot like you gave up already? After seing all this happen for a while first hand i learned for sure that giving up is NOT an option tgat helps anyone... so really, why would you? I would rather keep trying and hope for the best. If you sit back now saying it is all too late anyways thrn you should also make sure you and your kids will not be around for much longer so you dont have to deal with the consequences... not meaning to be cruel here but giving up simply serms like the worst possible options
@@ProjectManaia It's no use "hoping for the best". Provide me with a positive solution otherwise all I can see is disaster and despair for the future of our children and grandchildren.
Working solutions are MPAs. Official ones are slowly getting more but the inofficial ones that make fisheries impossible work as well: windfarms, piracy areas, even oil rigs and esentially acting as no take zones. There are shifts to a positive change but we do need to speed those processes up a fair bit
Very good video! It was a good documentary. I do agree that we need to fish much less and we should scrap the fleet of the big industrial boats. But more like you said sustainable fishing is possible. Let's protect more areas. Fisheries like lobster fishing have become much more sustainable(At least where I live in Sweden) due to us only being allowed to catch it certain times a year with a limited amount of pots. Sustainable fishing is possible, but we will need to fish much less.
@@ProjectManaia Indeed, I think you can continue to eat fish as long as you know where it comes from. This of course depends on where you live, In Sweden a lot of the shellfish is fished with cages that has pretty much no bycatch, and everything in it is alive so you can always throw back excess. But sadly most fish in the stores is from other countries. Thanks for this great and informative video!
Very interesting video. I’ve seen a lot recently from marine biologist debunking this doc, which seemed to be based off of offense to the statement that there is no such thing as sustainable fishing. A lot seem to be pro-fishing and ther also seems to be a lot of involvement of the industry influence inside the research and academic communities. Not saying everyone is corrupt, but I’m questioning if the marine research community it largely funded by profits from fishing and is built soon the idea of making fishing more sustainable rather than stopping it all together. Love to hear your thoughts
reading into some marine biologists thoughts on the documentary that was actually exactly my thinking as well. Of course Industry and (most likely) fisheries are funding research efforts as well, just like the MSC as an example is funding many research initiatives aand would most likely cut your funding (or not even give it to you) if you say ANYTHING against them aand their work. One of many reasons to stay away from this kind of financial input into a research organisation. But just like everything else fisheries can simnply not be sustainable on every scale. We are limitted in growth (even if economy does not like the idea) there is no such thing as limitless expansion. And when it comes to plundering resources we have been on top of the game for a long time, but while getting more efficient catching fish all the time keeps you going for some time it actually cuts into your best safety net on the long run
I'm not sure why it's been such a problem to have marine biologists critically evaluate this documentary (the war on science continues?). As far as I know the movie is not sacred and offering some constructive criticism should not automatically label you as corrupted. Why have we stooped so low as not to trust any input from any expert anymore? Why do we continuously need to see corruption and conspiracy when we don't agree with the statements of scientists? It's so damaging.
I feel like there might be some confusion here? I agree with a bunch of the movie however a lot is oversimplyfied which is actually a key feature to make it mainstream suitable i suppose. And yes there is flaws in there but having been in fisheries co trols for a decade i do critically question people stating there is no issue with fisheries simply because i have seen the issues out in the real world
@@laure189 War on science? Do you really see science as a monolithic entity? I am asking one scientist his opinion on other scientists’ specific issue with the movie about sustainable fishing. I didn’t say anyone is corrupt. I was questioning how much the fishing industry influences certain realms of science because it is involved in research. It’s not about corruption as much as it is the foundations. Some of the research is funded by profiting off off the ocean; that is a fact. My simple question asked someone’s opinion if there is any truth to it. My question was well thought out and carefully worded. You read it emotionally. I not even criticizing I was literally just asking a question, but apparently “science” (a monolith as you imagine it) is what is really too sacred to question.
Sure hope it is not! Too sacred to question that is. If there is anything we should have learned by now it is that everything should be questioned. Even if only to see the reactions. Yes, i do think there is corruption and also biased opinions because of funding sources. Nobody wants to step on the hand that is feeding you... old story realy... sorry if i worded badly before, didnt mean to catch it too emotional- even though it is an emotional topic and obviously people start to question and care once emotions are involved...
What a major problem of fishing is i.e. In the Netherlands it is forbidden by law of some form to throw back the bycatch. Large parts will be trashed when it is on land. So why not throwing back while it is still living. It is just insane and stupid.
Trouble is that bycatch rarely is alife even fresh out of the net. I did get a load of fresh bycatch dumped inside my boat at the klaverbank in netherlands few years back....
What happened to Wisdom. What our we that we treat our host the way we do. We behave like a virus. Where our the good people demanding change. It should be a felony to damage the earth in anyway
Manuel Marinelli - founder of the Marine research NGO Priject Manaia. Also spent a good 10 years on greenpeace ships being part of inspections of fishing vessels at sea and a bunch more work on fisheries - including coordinator for "make stewardship count" that is focussing on pushing the MSC label into a good direction so he did his homework on the topic
as in I'm at the 'sunset' of my career. I worked as a 'fisheries observer' 25-35 years ago (in/from Canada) and fortunately didn't have to worry about my life. .. just took lots of verbal abuse.
what do you think would be the effects if people stopped eating fish in terms of land use in growing the food to replace it? Many places that consume fish daily have little arrable land
In many parts of the world this would simply not be an option, looking at pacific islands etc. But those are small scale fisheries without the major impacts of industrial fishing. For the rich parts like europe or the US the consumption wr have is mostly driving big fleets and i believe that has to be corrected. Meaning we must become aware of the actual value of fish and that would also mean increasing the cost a lot. Food from land of course needs resources as well and tgise are limitted in many places, which often raises the fact that there is too many people. But then we should also take into cobsideration that tons of food get dumped to keep prices stable in the rich countries. So there is many things to look at.... hope this answers the question
No more fish & chips? Seaside fresh fish holiday getaway will not be the same anymore for me. Farming fish & commercial value is relatively expensive to human health. That is an individual risk. Like in the movie, the labels are a hogwash. Institutional denial is toxic as plastic toxins to human health. And these sustainable projects to label products are not helping address the problem. We need to rethink how economic growth especially farmers are sustainable.
Exactly the point, with limitted space there is no such thibg as unlimitted economic growth! Something has to give and in most cases it is a sustainable relationship with the environemt
Can you look at Telly’sMarineTales debunk video of the movie? I’ve read from some marine biologist that most of the information is true but she claims that most information in the movie is wrong.. either way great video mate. Take care ✌🏽
I saw the video and wrote a bunch of messages to her afterwards and we ultimately agreed to disagree. SOME information is not up to date. Yes, but the bottom line is very true. We always know things for sure until we dont (just like everyone knew the earth is flat ones upon a time...) the "errors" in the movie are nowhere near that severe and fact remains: we are overfishing. Be it ethocal or environmental reasons it is not a good development...
I really liked this review. Most of the marine researchers and scientists are SO critical about this movie, about the inaccuracy, and how this director Ali doesn't really know what he's talking about .. that's partly true, but yet all of these problems that were talked about in this doc excists and everybody knows it. So thank you very much, for speaking very calmly about your thoughts on this movie. Especially appreciate the part on sustainability. Great review. I was very emotional and shocked while and after watching this movie .. made me really think about my consumption of fish.
Thanks a lot for that feedback. Got a lot of heat from other biologists for this but this is where the distinct difference between communication and publication kicks in. Scientists are usually horrible communicators. And good storytellers... well, sometimes not scientists. I feel like the big message shoukd be the focus!
I know it’s due to big corps and who controls the money flow.. but I don’t understand how people disregard life.. as a kid I wanted to be a marine biologist (to me the ocean is so beautiful and amazing, I was in love with it) but as I got older and learned more about the realities. To me it felt like everything was on fire but no one else seemed to know. And it Deeply upset me to know that people either didn’t or wouldn’t care. So to save me a vendetta against the human race I took a step back from researching 🙃 (I know that doesn’t help the situation but at the time I was maybe 10)
I often catch myself wondering if it was a good decision. The thing is someone has to pick up the fight - and I did. What breaks my heart is seing people who should be well aware of the issues (the biologists) and leave it to politicians aand NGOs to solve the issues. the truth is nothing will happen until we ask for the change - or we do change ourselves. That however is my opinion. I have been an activist all my life and believe in the good change every single one of us can have - even if it is just a drop t. time, but together we can be an ocean.... I guess you still love the ocean and might even adapt your behavior to make it help the ocean out.... so congrats for that!
No problemo. We have too many people eating too much fish. Those people would then taste like fish. If we substitute some of the fish with some of the human population that has fed primarily on fish, we will have more food, less demand for fish and then eventually more fish. Get your canned japanese today and save a tuna!
See George Monbiot's comments on this and include them? I've gone down to one small can of sardines a day but I can no longer eat that. So its beans & the like for my proteins in future. God damn it.
I think with a small can you are already doing quite good! I will tell you what I told MANY people in the past: I would rather see a million people doing small things right than seing one person doing everything right. In otherrr words: One Vegan is a good thing for the planet, but if everyone around eats meat every day then... well, it is not the big impact. However if all of us cut down a bit on our consumption (no matter if meat, fish, fuel, energy as a whole) then we will go a long way!
@@ProjectManaia it sounds nice but can we count on everyone to cut down on their meat consumption? The only thing we can control is our own personal consumption.
I'm genuinely trying to learn more about the world, so please no hate, Is it possible in theory to create a feed that involves no fish, such as the one proposed in this article, not sure if it will ever work, but supposedly more efficient than Feed that is made from Fish. theconversation.com/taking-fish-out-of-fish-feed-can-make-aquaculture-a-more-sustainable-food-source-150728 This applies only for Tilapia for now, but let's say someone came up with a feed that can be fed to Salmonids or crustaceans as i'm assuming these are the most consumed fish/seafood? When you quoted a 10 to 1 ratio, this applies to most of the most popular types of farmed fish/seafood right? Would this mean that Livestock is more efficient in terms of feed? As i'm trying to find this general 10 to 1 Ratio, articles are saying roughly 1.15 to create 1kg, are these all fraudulent and under-reporting the true amount? As they say a Livestock is 3-5 - I was reading the following articles: Are these people just bragging and fraudulent as to claim they are producing fish meal that can be fed to salmon? www.skretting.com/en-gb/transparency--trust/faqs/how-much-wild-fish-is-needed-to-feed-farmed-fish/ Of course, everyone should be reducing any form of any meat intake, but I'd like to know, as developing countries won't move that fast as it's an essential source of protein, would this lead to finger-pointing and privileged activism? I read other comments along the lines of the other Marine biologists are sell-outs, but from what I see and have watched so far they're seeing it from a logical and practical perspective, is this not true? I was trying to watch more about global warming, such as Carbon capture plants, which i thought was a great idea that you could suck out the c02, but would have to be performed alongside planting trees, maintaining a healthy carbon sink? and also reducing the use of fossil fuels, but then you find activists going against the idea of carbon capture plants, is it because it's partially funded by oil companies or they see it as bad, as it's sold back to companies to use, so it's "recycling", would this not be part of a solution. I'd like to know the consequences of Seaspiracy, as it's shed light on some topics that should have been shown much earlier on, I didn't know how significant bycatch was, i've read up that it accounts for around 20-30% of the overall catch, this may or may not include illegal or underreporting, but this bycatch is either thrown back into the ocean or potentially part of the fish feed right? Furthermore, if people started moving away from fish, there may or may not be extra pressure on livestock and poultry, as people look for alternative sources of protein, which can potentially cause more stress on the land? Would it be too simplistic to say that finding a feed that was efficient and didn't require other fishes would help a lot, alongside less consumption of fish. Through media, I thought that farm fishing would have been more sustainable in terms of a better alternative compared to other types of meat. Plastics and Land animals is another topic. For any person who comments and tries to throw "just stop eating meat" "murderer" "No morals and unethical" is probably one of the worst ways of convincing someone to become vegan, it's not helpful and puts people off, gives vegans a bad name. Having conversations and even presenting things from a different angle, what seaspiracy has done, which feels a bit sensationalists with statements that don't seem to be completely true or way too simplistic as you mentioned, but still makes people think about a certain situation is great. It would be great if you could respond as finding alternative solutions has always been what humans have been great at, or a solution to fix the previous problems. Edit: So I realised, that i was reading more from other youtubers and comments, also looking at Instagram, I realised companies or NGO really trying to reduce plastic waste such as Oceana, who was "framed" according to some people who are not funded by the big corps supposedly, now donations will potentially be reduced and the ones actively trying to help in different aspects may potentially be blocked? This probably includes yourself, people may potentially not trust organisations like yourself, like how many people don't trust charities. But the bigger picture is that people will stop eating fish correct? But for plastics, it would be another battle? Also some NGOs slowly tackling country by country try to educate the population, as seaspiracy might not hit non english speaking countries. What are the effects on the people who were genuinely trying to do good, but has been labelled as frauds?
Really nice of you to worry about our funding cuts. Truth is, that we get VERY little in donations. In fact our best donor is me -meaning I work half a year to finance the other half year of research work at sea. I used to work for big NGOs and what I learned is that the main issue is that some of them simply have too much money and start wasting it - alright, it might make them somewhat faster in certain things but also decision making takes ages because there is so many people involved. We do however work along with MANY small scale NGOs and after seing the big ones work... I have to say if you want to see someone do the job you are hoping to support then donate to a small NGO that is working on an issue that YOU feel connected to. Yes, the big ones move things but mostly through politics and words. If you want to support the work on the ground, as in beach cleanups, actual asessments and alike, support the little ones. That being said, it takes both sides of course! So... let me put it this way: A small motivated bundle of people will vanish soon without support simply because they struggle to keep things going. The big ones can handle a budget cut and quite frankly it pains me to see that big NGOs are throwing 5 digit euro amounts a week into facebook adverts. That amount would f.ex. keep us going for a year! So.... your decision really.
No, not vegan but making sure to exactly know where my food comes from and how it grew and was caught. Think that would be a good thing for everyone to be aware of though. However i do admit is is very tricky at times. Living the life i do there is the luxury of being able to wuestion the source of my food. A luxury not everyone has unfortunately
My personal reason is a medical one. I have a condition that makes it very difficult and at times impossible to input enough on a vegan diet and being as skinny as i am i cant really efford to loose more weight....
@@ProjectManaia I'm not going to downplay your condition because I don't want to come across as the stereotypical, dogmatic "preachy vegan", but could I ask what is it exactly in animal products that you can't get in plant products that helps combat your health issues?
It is not a matter of what it is a matter of the quantity. Even with 3 vegan meals a day i can not keep up with the energy input i would need when working aboard. And being unable to have a break whenever i like this is what it is. That being said my wife is vegan which makes me about 95% vegan i would guess... and vegan protein shakes with almond milk go a long way but do not substitute actual food... (experience wise) . But that again is a matter of personal preference...
"Ignore too much"? Are you out of your mind? Check NYTimes, The Guardian, Bloomberg, EcoWatch....for the past 30-40yrs. You are ill informed to say the least. As a marine biologist go and check FAO Fishery department....that will get you started.
just reRead again and I have to say I am not 100% sure what you are referring to. Yes, Media is and has ben covering this topic for a long time. But it hardly ever got as much attention as it deserves. Usually some random celebrity stuff makes more headlines... while issues like overfishing, climate change and alike should really get the headlines!
@@ProjectManaia In terms of sources the main one is FAO, then off to the rest. The film director mention Cousteau, who in the early 80's was talking about this issue. An issue so old that there are plenty of laws and projects of various scale (size and time wise) that have been going around. He does not mention the Convention 188. I believe you do not mention it here as well. Same goes for FAO Port State Measures Agreement (PSMA) or IUU.
@@ProjectManaia It has the attention of those that are capable of making a difference. Eco populism like this Seapiracy, Cowspiracy or What the Health are counterproductive. The Mass doesn't have the tools to evaluate a problem this technical. Simply put, think of how Brexit was done. Would you have asked the population to give their opinion on economic trade policies and bilateral agreements? No. So when a documentary comes out it needs proper vetting before it goes out otherwise it makes people more uneducated that they were. Seapiracy should have asked FAO, WRI and WWF about guidance especially as Netflix was the distributor. A missed opportunity and years to clean up the mess. Or, as I expect, it will die out like the other two documentaries.
The attention span of wide public is about the same as from a goldfish. It will shock and possibly chabge behavior short term. I honestly dont have the recipe for long term behavior change. This works for a short time at least. Really to be perfectly honest i would rather stop arguing about the sense or nonsense of the documentary and start a conversation of what can be done to perfectly adress the issue. I feel like so much energy is wasted right now into an argument that doesnt help anyone. If all the people, scientists and storytellers would just stop fighting and worked together now could be a great time to create something amazing... so in other words, loving constructive critisicm but quite frankly tired of arguing. I dedicated my life to protect the oceans, despite difficulties, shortage of funding, long workdays and weeks, lack of actual holidays for now 13 years and counting. And i am really trying and do not apreciate being accused of lying (not you but others...) so let us start a productive conversation and make a plan together instead! Youre in?
Love those sayings... same goes for many things. Just imagine if we cut fossil fuels and started planting trees and global warming turns out to be a hoax. How annoyed would we be to live in a world with clean air and water...
@@ProjectManaia Hi there, Thanks for the reply. I've not even seen Seaspiracy yet, but I already know that if we as a species don't take care of where we live, it will take care of us... Luca Brasi style. Going Vegan is the simplest and most effective thing you can do to help the environment (just like quitting smoking for your health). "You can't call yourself an environmentalist if you're not Vegan". - Howard Lyman. Thanks again. 😌
Well, i had that discussion with someone before... due to medical reasons i simply cant be vegan. And veganism has to be taken carefully as well. Eating fruit that flies half way around the world doesnt help either. So local and vege based would be the ideal... and with restrictions generally possible
@@ProjectManaia Well... living in the UK, we've just had the joy of Brexit. All of sudden imports are subject to huge tariffs so, as a nation we're probably going to have to start living like we did during WWII. Very little meat, fish, eggs and dairy, heavy on the potatoes and carrots (actually one of the healthiest periods in British history). If I've understood Tolstoy, Oscar Wilde, Jeffrey Millar and Matt 25 v40... Whilst we continue doing what we're doing to the animals, it's a foregone conclusion that we're going to be doing what we're doing to each other. (If nothing else, years before I was even Vegetarian, I remember, in Chemistry, reading about Lake Minamata Syndrome. I can't say I'm proud of being Vegan so much as saddened that I didn't do it sooner). Do your own research on the health aspect. Basically, the fat you eat is the fat you wear. The same parts of my brain that resisted going Vegan, I am convinced, are the same parts that resisted quitting cigarettes and alcohol. czcams.com/video/uQCe4qEexjc/video.html (Never forget that Dr. Frank Mitloehner gets paid handsomely by the meat and dairy industries... you think he's going say anything good about Veganism? "Our product is doubt", as Brown and Williamson Tobacco were fond of saying). If I've understood the UN, if something like 65% of the planet don't go Vegan, we're guaranteed another pandemic that will make the current one look like nothing. Hier stehe Ich. Ich kann kein anders. ... as the expression has it. Thanks for letting me go on. Best of luck. Y'know? ❤️
I found the documentary biased, however it did me Google lot's of stuff and actually, biased or not it was a serious wake up call. The bycatch, those destructive trawlers, the vast decline of fish stocks, the slavery on fishing boats, boats fishing where they shouldn't be fishing... there is zero sustainability if you ask me. How can they even say some are sustainable when the total market isn't, so fish stocks do decline. Only thing we can do is drastically cut fishing. Those big boats are sterilizing our oceans
The madness of industrial fishing is simply out of control! Also the countries that tend to blame asia are to blame as well! The biggest fishing fleet is as an example run by the EU.
There is a lot to learn on the topic and if the docu makes people think and research a bit more.... then it does the trick!
@@ProjectManaia I hope it's not too late. I live on the water. I love the ocean.
While other Marine biologist reviews center around misrepresentation of statistics and not the damage itself, I found this review amazing as it went a step further and exposed us to the issues that are not included in documentary.
And exactly that was the intention. Yes, some numbers are not up to date and have been discussed for a while, however I don't think that is the point. If we are running out of fish because of miserable fisheries management does it really matter when exactly we rech the breaking point? In my opinion not that much, and I believe picking apart the statistics does not help anayone, rather questions it all once again and undermines the effect of the movie....
Thats we talking about.go more. Just think vegan .later we csn learn plsnts wants to live as wel.peace
Agreed... depending on circumstances of course
finally, someone who is being real!
I thought the movie was depressing, really depressing... and that was the point of it. Yes, it was emotional in places but I think it had to be for people to sit up and listen. The facts outlined in the movie have been around for years but what government or profit-driven organisation has ever done anything about it to address the issues? The biggest take-away for me was the explanation of the food chain, not from the bottom-up as you described, but from the top-down. Remove the predators from the top and the next level of predators down take over. At this point we've already upset the food chain. Remove them and we're down to the next level, and so on. Once this starts happening there really is no going back, and once that chain has been depleted, that's it, game over. The ocean will just be a toxic soup plankton and plastic and the stats he shows of fish decline since the 70s tells us we're about to break the food chain, we're almost there already. The saddest part of all this is how governments are complicit. You hit the nail on the head when you said our economic model doesn't support sustainable fishing. Capitalism is about growth, sustainable fishing isn't. Capitalism wins because governments and organisations don't care about tomorrow. It's only about profit. That's the most depressing part of all this, we live in a world where people just don't care how significant this situation is.
Well said! The hope i have is that foodchains are to an extend self balancing. So the movie was very much simplifying that and a new balance can be found and usually would. However we would keep exploiting and kicking the system. It feels like we are playing jenga on a massive scale, taking out stones from a sensitive system and it is a matter of time until things collapse...
People sadly need a big hit (emotional or otherwise) to listen and this was well executed in the movie
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The docu is as reliable as Cowspiracy or What the Health. Only "under educated" audience might get fooled. Scientists, sustainable development professionals, economists, investigative journalists have slammed all over the world. Just a very big missed opportunity. Also, sustainable fishing has been proven, it needs to scale up not being destroyed by some frat boy and a camera. Please check UN FAO fishery department.
I've watched Seaspiracy 3 times, twice in order to experience it, the third to write down and do research on it. This movie changed my whole perspective on everything. I have a personal investment in caring about this topic because I happen to be working in an industry that sells seafood. for me, the ethics of how I earn a living concern me deeply.
It is incredible to see/read the people from the industry care. And just to be clear, i am well aware that fishermen and people selling fish are not the issue (even though in sales you can make relevant choices) really it is the big companies that run the fleet that should get their act together and make sure they still have a business in 20 years down the road...
I started working in the Fishing industry in 2014, and after just three months I realized what was going on and decided that I did no longer wanted to take part in the destruction of our beautiful planet, so I quit and now live on a plant based diet. We DONT need to eat fish and we have to leave the Ocean alone, or our children's, children, will not have a future. It's as simple as that. We must 'Wake Up' to this reality, all of us please.
What have you done about it since you wrote that comment? Where are you today with this topic. Just very curious how it sat over time in your life.
Nicely said but perhaps turn down the music a little, it's unnecessarily distracting
Will keep it in mind for the next one, thank you for the pointer
I would add a huge thank you on the music selection though... Thank you for not choosing a ukulele jingle accompanied by whistling. If I watch one more CZcams with that in the background, I will add to ocean pollution by throwing my phone in one. See, you're already doing good things 👍🤓
Thanks for that feedback! Good to hear!!!
Thank you for creating the video! It was very informative and I liked that you spoke about the things that were not mentioned in Seaspiracy but are equally important for consumers to know :) I watched another Seaspiracy review by a marine biologist and she just focused on the negative aspects of the documentary.
Sadly the very negative feedback happened a fair bit. Blame it on big egos threatened hy a non biologist reaching a bigger audience than their research work... sadly also a side of the science community
Thank you for a great explanation of the "stuff" that was left out of the movie. So depressing what we are doing to the oceans, but awareness is key - so please continue to spread this awareness - lets all spread this awareness and hope that in the end it can make a difference. Next time you don't need the background music - your voice is just fine :o)
Thank you for the hint! And thanks for your words. If you believe in our cause please do share our videos and content (we are working on this unpaid full time and more) simpky aiming to keep our oceans healthy, so all help is welcome+
Feel like I’m in a night club trying to listen to someone shouting across the bar! Turn the music off ffs 😂
Thanks for the pointer. Next time no music - or less loud? Not sure i always thought it helps people to keep attention (helps me but perhaps the exception) will do a piece on fishing practices this week so hapoy for advice
@@ProjectManaia just my two cents, the music sounds nice but just turn the volume down a bit because it sounds maybe a bit too loud atm. Great video and I learned a lot from it ☺️
Done deal! Just finished thw follow up (some fisheries methods explained in more detail) to go live tomorrow at 3pm CET
Good news: volume of music is lower - a lot ;-)
@@ProjectManaia damn that was fast :D will definitely check it out ☺️
@@twostepstovictory well well, I do what I can :D Uploaded already but as I said: Public tomorrow at 1500 CET
I watched the movie and it is safe to say that I am left in shock. I have never been one to really eat fish but after watching the movie. I am officially cutting out all fish from my diet. The movie was very well done with somethings they said i felt was radical but on a serious topic, you have to be radical. The movie is a wake up call for all of us so pushing your friends and family to watch it would really help spread the message. Im also shocked to find that my taxes pay for such a horrible industry yet there is nothing that i can do about that which is frustrating. Overall, very eye opening
Could not agree more! Well said
I don't know if this made it to comment but I wanted to mention is it not possible that the government of the United States at least prohibit fishing for every 2 to 3 years. Except for individual fishing like if I were to go with a fishing pole and catch a limited amount. I think it's truly a problem for any one food to be available to everyone all year round. There are seasons for certain fruits there should be seasons for fish like you cannot fish the oceans unless 3 years have passed. That way the oceans can recuperate. And if any big ships are caught catching fish and throwing out nets that they can be jailed for 5 to 10 years. Also never understand how Nasa can have funding for space exploration but not enough money to go into making something to clean the oceans...wouldn't it be great if they could make something that would not harm the marine life but would completely dissolve all plastics in the oceans. Or find some way they could filter it like a big water purifier. I'm not a scientist so I don't know if it's possible but I've always believed anything can be Made possible if those in higher positions cared enough. The earth will eventually come to an end, like all living things but if we could just care for it more then we cared for living on another planet then maybe things will get better for ours. Everything is what you prioritize. As far as triage is concerned the oceans would be on the top of the list to receiving care. It really needs life support
Many things could be done and technology is moving forward at rapis speeds! Removing microplastic is still an unsolved issue as far as i am aware since we cant even get it out of sewage before putting it back into rivers and see...
A lot yet to be done!
Also why would Marine Biologist be against a film about describing the catastrophes that go on. Aren't they suppose to care about marine life?
that one beats me. I do have some suspicions though... Watch who people work for would be a big one (Follow the money.... once again)
But also ego-issues. People don't like to be outsmarted by a "non scientist" who didn't go through the education they did - or rather don't like the fact that most of us (Scientists) simply suck in explaining complex things in simple words. And in that the movie beats us all for sure!
Good post brother, and a good addition to the movie. Time for whole humanity to wake up and change what we eat and how we live..... 🙏
Agreed 100% all our actions have effects... just a matter of understanding tge extend of things
@@ProjectManaia and we don’t get a game over. And pretty well on our way to kill our selves, all animals and toxify our soil, waters and air .... 🙏
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@@davidzapf3383 anger is never the answer.... even though I do understand the notion...
That documentary made me cry. Glad to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Good to hear it caught your attention as well! Enjoy greece!
i knew a bunch of these facts before watching it, but not to the extent, and learned a few things, about farmed fish, and or dragging the bottom of the ocean(never knew that) or equivalnet of scrapping the floor of the ocean like deforestation on land. Those labels on cans prove nothing, hard to prove or ever enforce, the inudstry is not regulated or very little.
Makes you one of few... too little education on all this
Really good science
Really loud music.
Sorry but the tuning of music, will keep it doqn more in the future
Now you say, that the doco talk about the affect that eating fish has on health. But he literally had an experts, like Dr Michael Gregor explaining how fish were eating all the plastic & heavy metals, and humans eat those fish. Dr. Gregor also explained that all the contaminants in the fish negate any health benefits from eating them.
Are you sure this comment was directed at me? Because i agree, eating fish is NOT healthy... as stated in the video as well
Please, has anyone studied the affects of overfishing on global warming?
Thank you for your video. Finally found an actual marine biologist being honest
Hope we can keep living up to the expectations! And thank you for the comment! Nice to hear that people apreciate this!
@@ProjectManaia I wonder if these marine biologists are in the pockets of Big Fish. If so, maybe the folks who made Seaspiracy, Cowspiracy, and What the Health can make a documentary titled Marinebiologistspiracy.
Actual that could be a fun one :-)
Donate to Sea Shepherd
One option.... donate to us too! Much smaller NGO and short on funding. Also cleaning up ghost nets and a lot more too....
9:00 So what are WE doing to restore these areas?
Maybe the world needs to collectively come together and remedy the waste management issue, firstly with the removal of waste products from OUR oceans. Offer jobs picking up rubbish on beaches all around the globe. Have fishing vessels help by collecting waste with nets in the affected areas, so long as wildlife can be SUSTAINABLE. This show really thought me to despise this word.
Good educational video by the way.
Agreed completely
Pole fishing and spear fishing should be the only fishing allowed. It will drive price sky high so you will either pay more or learn to fish. Problem solved.
Tuna is Farmed both inland and in oceans. Just search it here on youtube.
And yet they cross oceans before mating. Are you sure they are not only fed and shot there?
@@ProjectManaia don't understand your comment. Kinki University reported the world's first full-cycle farmed tuna in 2002 and began sales in 2004. Today there are many Tuna farms.
@@alikazemi5491 i will check in on it. Simply cant picture how it could possibly work. Many call themselves farms but it is wild catch that is fattened up near shore. But i will look into it more
Suddenly all "marine biologist" are experts on every topic
By no means on everything. In my particular case i did 10 years of fisheries inspections at sea and one year of research work on the MSC (obviously not for the MSC). Dont know avout the experiencw of all the nay saying marine biologists out there....
@@ProjectManaia don't get me wrong, you at least have the experience, but industrial fisheries are promoting and almost bribing some biology students, or other noon related fields person and make them look like "experts" even without high degrees or a single own scientific study, just because of the money. BTW, based on the experience you have, how is possible people get cheated and bamboozled by make them believe that a "sustainable seal/zero bycatch" on the products they buy, are real???
Honestly... i would say any label is better than none since it means someone has at the very least the intention of getting better. But that also is about as far as it goes.
How people actually believe that a giant trawling net can be selective beats me. I think the main issue is that people are blissfully unaware of how their fish is caught in the first place. And this is the issue that has to be adressed! I feel like seaspiracy (while getting some very specific details wrong) did an excellent job in highlighting a selected few of those fisheries. Cant address them all in one movie, that would be an entire series of cruelty. I once saw certified fishermen (as in their catch had a label on them) cut open a shark, extrude the babies and take those with him to the galley while cutting the fins of the mother and throwing it back... and this is why i get so angry at fellow marine biologists who conplain about details of the movie without ever having seen what happens out at sea!
Wait so your argument is that disingenuous outliers in the field nullify emperical evidence?
Not at all... beware of sarcasm
I have seen it the day it was available. I am a marine biologist as well. What struck me was the unfortunate form of the movie - highly emotional and emotion-evoking, bordering on propaganda. It reminded me a lot of Blackfish which was relying heavily on misinformation and straight-up lies. and had the same conspiracy-like and propaganda-like vibe to it. However, I do believe, that people absolutely need to see Seaspiracy precisely because it provokes to think and expose the viewer to some critical issues. Sadly, the majority of the population will either dismiss it completely or treat it as gospel because of how the movie was made.
Agreed on many points here. Emotion is a great key to peoples behavior though. Ones they are shocked they start to care and hopefully think along a bit more
You got my agreement there. A professor of mine used to say counting fish is like counting trees, only that they are invisible to us and move. Kind of makes a statement there in itself. There are many things, numbers and general ibformations we dont have, dont understand or cant possibly understand, which ultimately means that every number, every study and every statement can always just be as good as our best judgement at the time. We keep learning and correcting wrong assumptions in every field.
Many no sayers will claim to know it all and have the answers. As far as i am concerned... i would go with this: wirst case our fish stocks are near collapsed, so we should cut down on fishing as we do it now. BEST case fish stocks are ok and IF we cut down on fishing the stocks get better. And we do know stocks are on a rapid decline. Same story as climate change all over. Just imagine we did everything we can to avoid a climate crisis and later it turnes out it wasnt really hapoening. How annoyed woukd we be that our plabet turned green again.... (sarkasm warning right here.... have to add it so i dont get crucified for the statement later)
We actually know so little about the marine environment, it is not even funny. It is depressing, at least to me. And at the same time, we seem to know enough to be able to see, that something is right. My only hope is that with fishery we will not need to wait a few decades to actually admit to the fact that we cannot go on like we do atm for long. We seem to have to broadly, realized that about climate. Time to bring in all the science and all the models and our best guesses to the table and blatantly present them to the world and say: Listen, if we value our existence, we need to rethink this approach we have or something will go terribly bad. We don't know exactly when and to what extent but early signs are there.
Again all with you. Sadly too many times we only realize what we had when it is lost.... lets hope we get the turn in this case
the background music is too loud to hear the dialog.
Thank you for the feedback, it is well noted. If you check the second part of this (fisheries explained) you will be happy to see there is no background music at all
the film was very interesting, it did say over half the plastic trash in the oceans is from commercial fishing enterprises, this number seems awfully high, is it credible? +50%?
This is one of the debatable number. On the floating part it might well be true, but fact also is the majority of plastic sinks to the bottom where it is a lot harder to quantify. And once it broke down into mikroplastics it is near impossible to determine the origin.... so.... perhaps yes, but debatable
Did you see the movie yet? And if so, what did you think about it?
yes the movie is very informative and just showed we have a far bigger problem than I could ever have imagined. Also explains why people from the carribbean and Africa are saying that so many species are on a decline also the way they fish is very primitive which allows marine life to recoop. So all in all an A grade documentary in my opinion 98% factual
And certainly raises awareness for an issue that can not be denied
At first, I was delighted that documentary about ocean has got so much attention. It was a wakeup call for many and hopefully, it has encouraged people to do more research on the topic. However, I did not appreciate how it downplayed some very big problems we face. Plastics or coral bleaching are very complex problems and I think it's irresponsible to blame all that on only one thing. Not every issue in the ocean is caused by fishing industry. Also, I don't mind that the movie was very emotional and dramatic (it makes it very impactful) but I think that overexaggerating the numbers and using outdated statistics is a dangerous game (not to mention completely unnecessary since the situation IS dire anyway) because it makes it easier for people who want to completely discredit the movie. Which could hurt the overall message. And that would be a shame since these are serious issues that need to be talked about!
There are plenty issues our oceans are facing. Fishing is one of them, warming, coral bleaches and habitat loss are others. With an intercomnected system it is easy to find reasons why one would affect the other ultimately all these things of course influence each other to an extend. We will need to start fixing them one after the other
So much to think about after watching the documentary, the environmental impacts and also the ethical implications.
I don't eat seafood and have no intention to start. Probably will stop visiting those marine park with dolphin performance too. Also why isn't trawling banned?
how many years do we have left untill the sea dies ..???
Honestly.... no clue. I am focusing on the Mediterranean at the moment because i think here things will go south first, so it makes for a perfect testing ground to keep things going.
We sure are trying our very best to kill things off but i hope the seas will bounce back the way they do... they are incredible systems that self heal to an incredible extend... but there is a limit to everything
Try focusing also on South China Sea..
Just sailed through few times... but you can see trawlers messing up the bottom even on google earths satellite images
@@ProjectManaia thank you for your reply. and you hard work, trying to protect us all from our own ignorance
You are more than welcome... it is the passion that keeps us going!
Shame you have this loud music playing while he speaks, what makes very hard to understand what he says. Couldn't you edit the video and lower the soundtrack?
Sorry about that. I will make sure to lower background music in the future.
Hi. Can you reupload this without the music?
Eill tru get it done in the next days! Until then, there is a part2 to this - without music
@@ProjectManaia Thank you! You're fantastic.
No worries there
Hello! Great video - I appreciate your insight. I do have some thoughts and questions. I have heard so many scientists and marine professionals attempting to "debunk" the Seaspiracy film. I do agree that it was oversimplified and I understand why, but I thought it was well done. It started one heck of a conversation! I work in the seafood industry. I am a server at a restaurant working for a Chef who is deeply involved in a seafood labelling program. He is convinced that sustainable fishing practices do exist, and he seems to be quite "against" the Seaspiracy film. He says he support the fishers and the farmers. I know he believes in the work that he does, he believes he's making a difference, and I love his passion, but he speaks as if what he says is the absolute truth. He speaks as if there is no possibility that he could be wrong, as apparently everything he says is "science and fact-based." Everyone I have heard from speaks as if they know ALL of the facts, which makes it so hard to know or understand what's actually happening. They first thing so many people seem to disagree on is the idea that wild-caught fish will essentially be gone by 2048. What are your thoughts? Apparently the idea was "debunked" years back, and if so, why would Seaspiracy use that information? Why would conservationists like Paul Nicklen and Cristina Mittermeier use that information if it's wrong? Also, some seafood and marine professionals say that some fish populations are actually thriving (increasing I guess?) and that the ocean doesn't have a fish deficit. What are your thoughts?
Thanks for the response and do feel free to share and spread the word
@@ProjectManaia I was hoping you would respond to the latter part of my response.
Sorry, it was a long text to go through. 2048 was a date at some stage, there are newer reports cancelling that out. Clearly with MPAs in place in theory it is impossible to empty the oceans. However in reality you dont have to, getting below a critical mass is dangerous enough.
So to make it short the number WAS accurate but has been updated (on a rolling basis) but in my opinion (and nobody has to agree with me) does it really matter exactly WHEN we are messing up things if the fact remains that we are messing with systems we dont even begin to understand?
Music is louder than the voice of speaker. Difficult to hear
Thank you for the pointer, will watch out for it in the future!
all someone have to do is look at the state of the great barrier reef
Just one of many areas that have taken a hit
Strange that there is no mention of the global reduction in phytoplankton numbers. I’ve heard approximately 40% since mid 20th century. Could you include something about this in your next video?
I will have to do some reading up on the topic but will happily add it to one of the next videos (Plankton is on the list of things to have a chat about, so it fits nicely!)
PLease please please change the music.... had to give up watching as it was driving me MAD ! BUT with the volume off it was an interesting read..
No music version in process already
Redo this video..WITHOUT that horrible music (with apologies to music).
This is truly terrifying from what we have done
Everyone ignoring the elephant in the room, this planet CANNOT continue to sustain the incredible population we have, all other animals decline when their food source drops, we just plunder some other resource. overpopulation and greedy people capitalising on shortages will ultimately lead to massive problems that will dwarf anything we have ever experienced.
All with you! And did mention it too! There is too many of us, luckily we are ingenious when it comes to engineering harvests. But resources are limitted in the end... and that is a teuth we have to make friends with
lovely thanks
You are welcome
Thank you for your comments, but the it is the basis of what you believe is the untruth, not what ou are saying within it, like maybe we shouldn't do commercial fishing in our seas not what mesh we use for the netting when we do.. So I am certain you can explain well from a_Z about lots of points within that, but it ignores the point for no commercial fishing is ok or something like hat
In a perfect world there would be no fishing at all and at the least no commercial one. However as I dont see this happening any time soon I try to point towards directions that might help to solve an immediate crisis that we are headed for. Hope that makes sense to you
The background music was needed too many marine biologists doing opinion vlogs need more music. But. Moby with a accent talking about ocean issues needs a music video.
Never been called Moby before but... i can go with that 😍
i like the video but the background music is straight up annoying
Sorry about that, will keep it in mind for next time though!
Used to love seafood but it all started tasting very, very wrong to me around 15years ago.. not sure what it was that caused it but yeah.. None of this suprised me one iota.. Rotten.
Sure is.... makes you wonder IF we gonna turn that wheel around anywhere near fast enough
I hope so! We're F'd without it!
Could not agree more
Seaspiracy leaves us with a sense of utter despair. The unregulated world-wide fishing industry appears to be unstoppable, or if regulation is possible, it all seems too late for it to be able to slow down the rape of our oceans. Is the 2048 collapse of our oceans predicted in Seaspiracy a reality?
2048 is an older number. But we certainly are on a dangerous path, so dont get stuck on the numbers too much. Yes we already screwed up and lost a lot but it is not too late to avoid a complete collapse. Never is
@@ProjectManaia Not too late? WHO is going to stop all the unregulated INDUSTRIAL fishing trawlers from destroying our oceans, not to mention all the millions of small traditional fishing vessels? If anyone truly believes this is possible, they are delusional. Believers - please provide me with the solution.
Sounds a lot like you gave up already? After seing all this happen for a while first hand i learned for sure that giving up is NOT an option tgat helps anyone... so really, why would you? I would rather keep trying and hope for the best. If you sit back now saying it is all too late anyways thrn you should also make sure you and your kids will not be around for much longer so you dont have to deal with the consequences... not meaning to be cruel here but giving up simply serms like the worst possible options
@@ProjectManaia It's no use "hoping for the best". Provide me with a positive solution otherwise all I can see is disaster and despair for the future of our children and grandchildren.
Working solutions are MPAs. Official ones are slowly getting more but the inofficial ones that make fisheries impossible work as well: windfarms, piracy areas, even oil rigs and esentially acting as no take zones. There are shifts to a positive change but we do need to speed those processes up a fair bit
Very good video! It was a good documentary. I do agree that we need to fish much less and we should scrap the fleet of the big industrial boats. But more like you said sustainable fishing is possible. Let's protect more areas. Fisheries like lobster fishing have become much more sustainable(At least where I live in Sweden) due to us only being allowed to catch it certain times a year with a limited amount of pots. Sustainable fishing is possible, but we will need to fish much less.
Certainly lots of room for improvement and it is really about accelerating exactly that movement... glad you like it and thanks for the comment!
@@ProjectManaia Indeed, I think you can continue to eat fish as long as you know where it comes from. This of course depends on where you live, In Sweden a lot of the shellfish is fished with cages that has pretty much no bycatch, and everything in it is alive so you can always throw back excess. But sadly most fish in the stores is from other countries. Thanks for this great and informative video!
ThNks for the feedback
bro the music is way too high WTF
you lost a viewer
Notice that the woke movement isn't encouraging teachers to discuss this?
Very interesting video. I’ve seen a lot recently from marine biologist debunking this doc, which seemed to be based off of offense to the statement that there is no such thing as sustainable fishing. A lot seem to be pro-fishing and ther also seems to be a lot of involvement of the industry influence inside the research and academic communities. Not saying everyone is corrupt, but I’m questioning if the marine research community it largely funded by profits from fishing and is built soon the idea of making fishing more sustainable rather than stopping it all together. Love to hear your thoughts
reading into some marine biologists thoughts on the documentary that was actually exactly my thinking as well. Of course Industry and (most likely) fisheries are funding research efforts as well, just like the MSC as an example is funding many research initiatives aand would most likely cut your funding (or not even give it to you) if you say ANYTHING against them aand their work. One of many reasons to stay away from this kind of financial input into a research organisation.
But just like everything else fisheries can simnply not be sustainable on every scale. We are limitted in growth (even if economy does not like the idea) there is no such thing as limitless expansion. And when it comes to plundering resources we have been on top of the game for a long time, but while getting more efficient catching fish all the time keeps you going for some time it actually cuts into your best safety net on the long run
I'm not sure why it's been such a problem to have marine biologists critically evaluate this documentary (the war on science continues?). As far as I know the movie is not sacred and offering some constructive criticism should not automatically label you as corrupted. Why have we stooped so low as not to trust any input from any expert anymore? Why do we continuously need to see corruption and conspiracy when we don't agree with the statements of scientists? It's so damaging.
I feel like there might be some confusion here? I agree with a bunch of the movie however a lot is oversimplyfied which is actually a key feature to make it mainstream suitable i suppose.
And yes there is flaws in there but having been in fisheries co trols for a decade i do critically question people stating there is no issue with fisheries simply because i have seen the issues out in the real world
@@laure189 War on science? Do you really see science as a monolithic entity? I am asking one scientist his opinion on other scientists’ specific issue with the movie about sustainable fishing. I didn’t say anyone is corrupt. I was questioning how much the fishing industry influences certain realms of science because it is involved in research. It’s not about corruption as much as it is the foundations. Some of the research is funded by profiting off off the ocean; that is a fact. My simple question asked someone’s opinion if there is any truth to it. My question was well thought out and carefully worded. You read it emotionally. I not even criticizing I was literally just asking a question, but apparently “science” (a monolith as you imagine it) is what is really too sacred to question.
Sure hope it is not! Too sacred to question that is. If there is anything we should have learned by now it is that everything should be questioned. Even if only to see the reactions.
Yes, i do think there is corruption and also biased opinions because of funding sources. Nobody wants to step on the hand that is feeding you... old story realy... sorry if i worded badly before, didnt mean to catch it too emotional- even though it is an emotional topic and obviously people start to question and care once emotions are involved...
Noise & so called music is dreadfully annoying! The delivery is sometimes difficult to follow!
Well, thanks for being the 27th person to point it out. And again, you can find the second part without any music for you viewing pleasure
What a major problem of fishing is i.e. In the Netherlands it is forbidden by law of some form to throw back the bycatch. Large parts will be trashed when it is on land.
So why not throwing back while it is still living. It is just insane and stupid.
Trouble is that bycatch rarely is alife even fresh out of the net. I did get a load of fresh bycatch dumped inside my boat at the klaverbank in netherlands few years back....
What happened to Wisdom. What our we that we treat our host the way we do. We behave like a virus. Where our the good people demanding change. It should be a felony to damage the earth in anyway
And once again i can only agree
Thank you for your video!
Youre welcome!
what? what? say again... i can't hear you...
I know... sound levels are off. Sorry. Check the follow up video though, no music at all 😁
What is the name of the marine biologist speaking here?
Manuel Marinelli - founder of the Marine research NGO Priject Manaia. Also spent a good 10 years on greenpeace ships being part of inspections of fishing vessels at sea and a bunch more work on fisheries - including coordinator for "make stewardship count" that is focussing on pushing the MSC label into a good direction so he did his homework on the topic
When this guy was waving those giant hands around did his barefoot pop up acouple times during the gestures? Could have sworn I saw some feet.
Dont really see how that is relevant?
@@ProjectManaia so that was a foot that flapped up acouple times?
It was, is that an issue? If talking to camera i find it helpful to be in a comfortable position and this is it....
sounded like ME at the beginning. .... ending 40 year (marine biology - sorta) career. It is so disheartening!
Haha, ones you chose the path there is no leaving... just like ones you know how things are working it is hard to forget...
as in I'm at the 'sunset' of my career. I worked as a 'fisheries observer' 25-35 years ago (in/from Canada) and fortunately didn't have to worry about my life. .. just took lots of verbal abuse.
I suppose canada is one of the safer spots in tge workd for this line of work... sure woukd hope so
what do you think would be the effects if people stopped eating fish in terms of land use in growing the food to replace it? Many places that consume fish daily have little arrable land
In many parts of the world this would simply not be an option, looking at pacific islands etc. But those are small scale fisheries without the major impacts of industrial fishing. For the rich parts like europe or the US the consumption wr have is mostly driving big fleets and i believe that has to be corrected.
Meaning we must become aware of the actual value of fish and that would also mean increasing the cost a lot.
Food from land of course needs resources as well and tgise are limitted in many places, which often raises the fact that there is too many people. But then we should also take into cobsideration that tons of food get dumped to keep prices stable in the rich countries. So there is many things to look at.... hope this answers the question
No more fish & chips? Seaside fresh fish holiday getaway will not be the same anymore for me.
Farming fish & commercial value is relatively expensive to human health. That is an individual risk. Like in the movie, the labels are a hogwash. Institutional denial is toxic as plastic toxins to human health. And these sustainable projects to label products are not helping address the problem.
We need to rethink how economic growth especially farmers are sustainable.
Exactly the point, with limitted space there is no such thibg as unlimitted economic growth! Something has to give and in most cases it is a sustainable relationship with the environemt
Can you look at Telly’sMarineTales debunk video of the movie? I’ve read from some marine biologist that most of the information is true but she claims that most information in the movie is wrong.. either way great video mate. Take care ✌🏽
I saw the video and wrote a bunch of messages to her afterwards and we ultimately agreed to disagree. SOME information is not up to date. Yes, but the bottom line is very true.
We always know things for sure until we dont (just like everyone knew the earth is flat ones upon a time...) the "errors" in the movie are nowhere near that severe and fact remains: we are overfishing. Be it ethocal or environmental reasons it is not a good development...
@@ProjectManaia thanks for making it more clear to me and thanks for the reply. Have a good day.
And thr same to you
I really liked this review. Most of the marine researchers and scientists are SO critical about this movie, about the inaccuracy, and how this director Ali doesn't really know what he's talking about .. that's partly true, but yet all of these problems that were talked about in this doc excists and everybody knows it. So thank you very much, for speaking very calmly about your thoughts on this movie. Especially appreciate the part on sustainability. Great review. I was very emotional and shocked while and after watching this movie .. made me really think about my consumption of fish.
Thanks a lot for that feedback. Got a lot of heat from other biologists for this but this is where the distinct difference between communication and publication kicks in. Scientists are usually horrible communicators. And good storytellers... well, sometimes not scientists. I feel like the big message shoukd be the focus!
I know it’s due to big corps and who controls the money flow.. but I don’t understand how people disregard life.. as a kid I wanted to be a marine biologist (to me the ocean is so beautiful and amazing, I was in love with it) but as I got older and learned more about the realities. To me it felt like everything was on fire but no one else seemed to know. And it Deeply upset me to know that people either didn’t or wouldn’t care. So to save me a vendetta against the human race I took a step back
from researching 🙃 (I know that doesn’t help the situation but at the time I was maybe 10)
I often catch myself wondering if it was a good decision. The thing is someone has to pick up the fight - and I did. What breaks my heart is seing people who should be well aware of the issues (the biologists) and leave it to politicians aand NGOs to solve the issues. the truth is nothing will happen until we ask for the change - or we do change ourselves. That however is my opinion. I have been an activist all my life and believe in the good change every single one of us can have - even if it is just a drop t. time, but together we can be an ocean....
I guess you still love the ocean and might even adapt your behavior to make it help the ocean out.... so congrats for that!
@@ProjectManaia Thank you ^ - ^
More than welcome
I am concerned for our planet. Too many people and not enough resources to sustain the population.
And thats why we ALL have to chip in and try our best to use less resources....
Humans need to drastically reduce population growth.
Agreed 100%
Great, just lose the annoying music pls.
Well noted and sorted in the second part where we explain more about the different fishing methods
No problemo. We have too many people eating too much fish. Those people would then taste like fish. If we substitute some of the fish with some of the human population that has fed primarily on fish, we will have more food, less demand for fish and then eventually more fish. Get your canned japanese today and save a tuna!
See George Monbiot's comments on this and include them? I've gone down to one small can of sardines a day but I can no longer eat that. So its beans & the like for my proteins in future. God damn it.
I think with a small can you are already doing quite good! I will tell you what I told MANY people in the past: I would rather see a million people doing small things right than seing one person doing everything right.
In otherrr words: One Vegan is a good thing for the planet, but if everyone around eats meat every day then... well, it is not the big impact. However if all of us cut down a bit on our consumption (no matter if meat, fish, fuel, energy as a whole) then we will go a long way!
@@ProjectManaia it sounds nice but can we count on everyone to cut down on their meat consumption? The only thing we can control is our own personal consumption.
And if we all do a little of that... we are on a winning track!
I'm genuinely trying to learn more about the world, so please no hate, Is it possible in theory to create a feed that involves no fish, such as the one proposed in this article, not sure if it will ever work, but supposedly more efficient than Feed that is made from Fish.
theconversation.com/taking-fish-out-of-fish-feed-can-make-aquaculture-a-more-sustainable-food-source-150728
This applies only for Tilapia for now, but let's say someone came up with a feed that can be fed to Salmonids or crustaceans as i'm assuming these are the most consumed fish/seafood?
When you quoted a 10 to 1 ratio, this applies to most of the most popular types of farmed fish/seafood right? Would this mean that Livestock is more efficient in terms of feed? As i'm trying to find this general 10 to 1 Ratio, articles are saying roughly 1.15 to create 1kg, are these all fraudulent and under-reporting the true amount? As they say a Livestock is 3-5 - I was reading the following articles: Are these people just bragging and fraudulent as to claim they are producing fish meal that can be fed to salmon?
www.skretting.com/en-gb/transparency--trust/faqs/how-much-wild-fish-is-needed-to-feed-farmed-fish/
Of course, everyone should be reducing any form of any meat intake, but I'd like to know, as developing countries won't move that fast as it's an essential source of protein, would this lead to finger-pointing and privileged activism? I read other comments along the lines of the other Marine biologists are sell-outs, but from what I see and have watched so far they're seeing it from a logical and practical perspective, is this not true? I was trying to watch more about global warming, such as Carbon capture plants, which i thought was a great idea that you could suck out the c02, but would have to be performed alongside planting trees, maintaining a healthy carbon sink? and also reducing the use of fossil fuels, but then you find activists going against the idea of carbon capture plants, is it because it's partially funded by oil companies or they see it as bad, as it's sold back to companies to use, so it's "recycling", would this not be part of a solution.
I'd like to know the consequences of Seaspiracy, as it's shed light on some topics that should have been shown much earlier on, I didn't know how significant bycatch was, i've read up that it accounts for around 20-30% of the overall catch, this may or may not include illegal or underreporting, but this bycatch is either thrown back into the ocean or potentially part of the fish feed right? Furthermore, if people started moving away from fish, there may or may not be extra pressure on livestock and poultry, as people look for alternative sources of protein, which can potentially cause more stress on the land?
Would it be too simplistic to say that finding a feed that was efficient and didn't require other fishes would help a lot, alongside less consumption of fish. Through media, I thought that farm fishing would have been more sustainable in terms of a better alternative compared to other types of meat.
Plastics and Land animals is another topic.
For any person who comments and tries to throw "just stop eating meat" "murderer" "No morals and unethical" is probably one of the worst ways of convincing someone to become vegan, it's not helpful and puts people off, gives vegans a bad name. Having conversations and even presenting things from a different angle, what seaspiracy has done, which feels a bit sensationalists with statements that don't seem to be completely true or way too simplistic as you mentioned, but still makes people think about a certain situation is great. It would be great if you could respond as finding alternative solutions has always been what humans have been great at, or a solution to fix the previous problems.
Edit: So I realised, that i was reading more from other youtubers and comments, also looking at Instagram, I realised companies or NGO really trying to reduce plastic waste such as Oceana, who was "framed" according to some people who are not funded by the big corps supposedly, now donations will potentially be reduced and the ones actively trying to help in different aspects may potentially be blocked? This probably includes yourself, people may potentially not trust organisations like yourself, like how many people don't trust charities. But the bigger picture is that people will stop eating fish correct? But for plastics, it would be another battle? Also some NGOs slowly tackling country by country try to educate the population, as seaspiracy might not hit non english speaking countries. What are the effects on the people who were genuinely trying to do good, but has been labelled as frauds?
Really nice of you to worry about our funding cuts. Truth is, that we get VERY little in donations. In fact our best donor is me -meaning I work half a year to finance the other half year of research work at sea. I used to work for big NGOs and what I learned is that the main issue is that some of them simply have too much money and start wasting it - alright, it might make them somewhat faster in certain things but also decision making takes ages because there is so many people involved.
We do however work along with MANY small scale NGOs and after seing the big ones work... I have to say if you want to see someone do the job you are hoping to support then donate to a small NGO that is working on an issue that YOU feel connected to. Yes, the big ones move things but mostly through politics and words. If you want to support the work on the ground, as in beach cleanups, actual asessments and alike, support the little ones.
That being said, it takes both sides of course! So... let me put it this way: A small motivated bundle of people will vanish soon without support simply because they struggle to keep things going. The big ones can handle a budget cut and quite frankly it pains me to see that big NGOs are throwing 5 digit euro amounts a week into facebook adverts. That amount would f.ex. keep us going for a year! So.... your decision really.
so are you vegan then or not?
No, not vegan but making sure to exactly know where my food comes from and how it grew and was caught. Think that would be a good thing for everyone to be aware of though. However i do admit is is very tricky at times. Living the life i do there is the luxury of being able to wuestion the source of my food. A luxury not everyone has unfortunately
@@ProjectManaia what is your justification for not being vegan personally
My personal reason is a medical one. I have a condition that makes it very difficult and at times impossible to input enough on a vegan diet and being as skinny as i am i cant really efford to loose more weight....
@@ProjectManaia I'm not going to downplay your condition because I don't want to come across as the stereotypical, dogmatic "preachy vegan", but could I ask what is it exactly in animal products that you can't get in plant products that helps combat your health issues?
It is not a matter of what it is a matter of the quantity. Even with 3 vegan meals a day i can not keep up with the energy input i would need when working aboard. And being unable to have a break whenever i like this is what it is. That being said my wife is vegan which makes me about 95% vegan i would guess... and vegan protein shakes with almond milk go a long way but do not substitute actual food... (experience wise) . But that again is a matter of personal preference...
Klinkt als een Nederlander.
Not quite... austrian
"Ignore too much"? Are you out of your mind? Check NYTimes, The Guardian, Bloomberg, EcoWatch....for the past 30-40yrs. You are ill informed to say the least. As a marine biologist go and check FAO Fishery department....that will get you started.
There is many more resources to look at too!
just reRead again and I have to say I am not 100% sure what you are referring to. Yes, Media is and has ben covering this topic for a long time. But it hardly ever got as much attention as it deserves. Usually some random celebrity stuff makes more headlines... while issues like overfishing, climate change and alike should really get the headlines!
@@ProjectManaia In terms of sources the main one is FAO, then off to the rest. The film director mention Cousteau, who in the early 80's was talking about this issue. An issue so old that there are plenty of laws and projects of various scale (size and time wise) that have been going around. He does not mention the Convention 188. I believe you do not mention it here as well. Same goes for FAO Port State Measures Agreement (PSMA) or IUU.
@@ProjectManaia It has the attention of those that are capable of making a difference. Eco populism like this Seapiracy, Cowspiracy or What the Health are counterproductive. The Mass doesn't have the tools to evaluate a problem this technical. Simply put, think of how Brexit was done. Would you have asked the population to give their opinion on economic trade policies and bilateral agreements? No. So when a documentary comes out it needs proper vetting before it goes out otherwise it makes people more uneducated that they were. Seapiracy should have asked FAO, WRI and WWF about guidance especially as Netflix was the distributor. A missed opportunity and years to clean up the mess. Or, as I expect, it will die out like the other two documentaries.
The attention span of wide public is about the same as from a goldfish. It will shock and possibly chabge behavior short term. I honestly dont have the recipe for long term behavior change. This works for a short time at least. Really to be perfectly honest i would rather stop arguing about the sense or nonsense of the documentary and start a conversation of what can be done to perfectly adress the issue. I feel like so much energy is wasted right now into an argument that doesnt help anyone. If all the people, scientists and storytellers would just stop fighting and worked together now could be a great time to create something amazing... so in other words, loving constructive critisicm but quite frankly tired of arguing. I dedicated my life to protect the oceans, despite difficulties, shortage of funding, long workdays and weeks, lack of actual holidays for now 13 years and counting. And i am really trying and do not apreciate being accused of lying (not you but others...) so let us start a productive conversation and make a plan together instead! Youre in?
If the World goes Vegan it doesn't guarantee that we'll survive... if the World doesn't go Vegan, it guarantees that we won't.
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Love those sayings... same goes for many things. Just imagine if we cut fossil fuels and started planting trees and global warming turns out to be a hoax. How annoyed would we be to live in a world with clean air and water...
@@ProjectManaia
Hi there,
Thanks for the reply.
I've not even seen Seaspiracy yet, but I already know that if we as a species don't take care of where we live, it will take care of us... Luca Brasi style.
Going Vegan is the simplest and most effective thing you can do to help the environment (just like quitting smoking for your health).
"You can't call yourself an environmentalist if you're not Vegan". - Howard Lyman.
Thanks again.
😌
Well, i had that discussion with someone before... due to medical reasons i simply cant be vegan. And veganism has to be taken carefully as well. Eating fruit that flies half way around the world doesnt help either. So local and vege based would be the ideal... and with restrictions generally possible
@@ProjectManaia
Well... living in the UK, we've just had the joy of Brexit.
All of sudden imports are subject to huge tariffs so, as a nation we're probably going to have to start living like we did during WWII.
Very little meat, fish, eggs and dairy, heavy on the potatoes and carrots (actually one of the healthiest periods in British history).
If I've understood Tolstoy, Oscar Wilde, Jeffrey Millar and Matt 25 v40...
Whilst we continue doing what we're doing to the animals, it's a foregone conclusion that we're going to be doing what we're doing to each other.
(If nothing else, years before I was even Vegetarian, I remember, in Chemistry, reading about Lake Minamata Syndrome.
I can't say I'm proud of being Vegan so much as saddened that I didn't do it sooner).
Do your own research on the health aspect.
Basically, the fat you eat is the fat you wear.
The same parts of my brain that resisted going Vegan, I am convinced, are the same parts that resisted quitting cigarettes and alcohol.
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(Never forget that Dr. Frank Mitloehner gets paid handsomely by the meat and dairy industries... you think he's going say anything good about Veganism?
"Our product is doubt", as Brown and Williamson Tobacco were fond of saying).
If I've understood the UN, if something like 65% of the planet don't go Vegan, we're guaranteed another pandemic that will make the current one look like nothing.
Hier stehe Ich. Ich kann kein anders.
... as the expression has it.
Thanks for letting me go on.
Best of luck. Y'know?
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An best of luck to you
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Possibly the most LOVEing comment we ever got! Thank you!
Possibly the most LOVEing comment we ever got! Thank you!
Marine biologist or scientist works for the corporations and govt.
It is all about money!
Sometimes true. Nit all of us do though
*Note Posted April 1st - Is this an April Fool Joke !*
I wish it was