i bought an OP-1 Field // did I make a $2000 Mistake?!
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- Teenage Engineering OP-1 Field. Hated & Loved. Hipster Toy or Serious Instrument? I bought one to try and figure it all out. Sponsored by DistroKid: distrokid.com/vip/bobeats If you want to upload your music to Spotify/Apple Music and more stores, use DistroKid.
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00:00 I felt like giving up...
02:47 Sound demos
03:54 Why did I buy the OP-1 Field?
05:48 What is the OP-1 Field?
07:30 OP-1 Field can be VERY frustrating!
11:52 Where is the UNDO function?!
16:38 Can you make full songs on it?
20:24 Did I make a $2000 mistake?
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I’ve owned an OP-1 for 8 years and my opinion is: as a production center, it’s a failure. As a synth it’s average. As a sampler keyboard it’s genius.
That makes a lot of sense to me!
really appreciate this video Bo; love the flow + as someone who has watched a LOT of OP-1 videos, you've covered every function I've ever been curious about...cheers!
That’s actually the perfect summary
@@schnoodlevideo thanks!!
Agree with this! I wish there was a better sequencer on it
I’ve been surprised by how it’s been “worth it” to me. I’m a professional composer, and once I had a flu I brought the field with me to bed and came up with a theme that has become central in a huge musical that I’m working on. It’s very inspiring to play around with.
Thats awesome!!
Ah the OverPriced-1
YUP 😬
I can’t believe someone would pay 2K for that piece of crap it’s built like shit, and you can get a way better sample of feel like a fraction of the price. It’s worth 500$ max.
@@princequestly2218well it isn’t built like shit, and of course if you don’t like it don’t buy it. Why be negative about things, just chill and enjoy the things you like
Kudos for trying and sticking with it. I love my OP-1 field as a sketch pad & sampler. After loading all my own one-shots and drum kit samples on it and mastering the Endless sequencer, we clicked
Grabbing my popcorn for this one
I've had an OP-1 for 6 years. It's one of the fastest, easiest ways to start a track or sketch an idea... but it lacks the tools I need to finish songs. Gotta use a computer for that... but avoiding a computer is the main reason I use hardware. So the songs don't get finished. I dump the tape periodically to make room for new ideas, but I never touch the tape dumps again. In short, the OP-1 has mostly been a place where my ideas go to die.
Yeah but those ideas stay in your brain if they are good
Here is another great option for portability: The DirtyWave M8
8 tracks that can be edited in detail, midi sequencing capabilities (including sequencing itself), several amazing synth engines, a sample engine that can sample and play samples back.
The workflow seems quirky on the M8, but it relies on muscle memory and you can learn to use this very very quickly once you get used to it (and it doesn't take long). And let's be fair, the OP-1 workflow is pretty quirky as well and requires a lot of musical confidence. On the M8 you can edit everything to your heart's content.
And finally you can buy almost 4 of them for the price of the OP-1 Field, and it's a third of the size. I'm not a seasoned musician, and yet managed to make some things with the M8 on my channel.
I agree. Mine is actually coming in on Monday. I have been curious though (not really a game changer for me) - is there any option for recording in live midi on the M8?
The M8 is amazing had mine a few days and already laying down incredible beats and songs and only scratching the surface so far an incredible device.
@@jacksonmeeks9313 yes, i use the widi jack (wireless autopowered mini midi interface) with KB-1 app on my iPhone. incredible, cheap and ultra portable
Yeah, and DirtyWave is currently selling B stock units (cosmetic blems only) for $100 under regular price. I'm not affiliated, just a fan of the device.
Isnt The M8 a tracker? While i do like the idea, there really isn’t much of an intuition factor there that stands out so much on the OP-1. The special thing about it is that you really can just press record and play around. Also the PO has the capability to record vocals and other longer samples which to my understanding isn’t possible on a Tracker. I totally get why people like trackers but I don’t see the difference to them vs a Laptop with a DAW where I can Programm much more efficiently.
Fun fact., the Roland SP-808 is a multi-track record, sampler and synth much like the TE OP-1. The expansion board for the SP-808, that gives you 4 individual outs is called the "OP-1". I'm guessing someone at TE really like the Roland SP-808.
The synth is only the d-beam though....and it's pretty bad. But maybe you're spot on that the SP-808 was an inspiration.
Very nice review, which really points out a lot of different aspects of the OP-1. Thank you very much! ✌️😊
I'm relatively happy with mine. It took me a month or so of messing with it to really feel comfortable with making music on it. I have plenty of gear but I still grab it first when I have a random idea and I enjoy running it through pedals into my DAW. I mostly got it to help me be musically productive when I'm out and about or on trips and for that it's a 10/10. If you're a producer who doesn't have a lot of gear or disposable income this is by no means any sort of must have.
I use mine for everything. Live key/synth work with bands and musicians, demonstrating easy composition to the kids I teach in my high school, creating wherever I go. It’s missing VERY little for what it is. And it is beautiful with the Mood MkII
Whatever keeps me creative can´t be a mistake. Thanks for this review - I was waiting for this so long!
Thanks Bo! I share your initial frustrations with the OP1 - after composing and mixing music on the computer where everything is so precise, I find it fun relaxing and inspiring to jam and have fun on the OP1. I often develop the tracks later… great music too!
Thanks!!
I remember when I bought my first Elektron I was worried 'did I just blow big $$$ on this'... fortunately I fell in love with it and now happily own and use several of their products. One thing that works for me is that I make myself use what I buy in 10ish new songs. Not every song gets published.... but the process helps me never feel like something was a complete waste and gives me time to actually learn the product. What's funny is sometimes I will dislike a product but love the songs that come out of it... lol.
Thank you for the reviewing and explaining video, I really like your demos track at 3:19 , it has funky spooky Halloween vibe in it!
For the price point I'd look at whatever Elektron device best suits your needs...or two.
For the price of an OP-1f + case, I got an Akai Force + Sequential Pro 3. Granted, both were on good sales, but still. Full music production setup with one of the nicest synths ever, for the price of a cute sketch pad.
Very helpful video, thank you !!
I’d pay $9.99 if it were an iPad app.
Another iPad app that you’d end up not using ;)
Not even
the 404 comparison is spot on. a lot of nuances and button combos to memorize!
And when it delivers… it delivers!
Man I had no clue what to expect from you going into this one haha, enjoyed it thoroughly though!
Good to see that Bo remains objective and not sucking up to TE. Not that I had any doubt.
Forget the price, if you’re considering buying one the price just is what it is.. Limitations? Yes. Replace your DAW or Grooveboxes? No. But 80% of the OP-1F value to me is the creativity it inspires because of the unique workflow, fun synth/drum/fx engines and limits to work around. Nothing else inspires me or makes me as creative as the OP-1F and that’s priceless! That’s not a feature other devices can code into their firmware, it’s the entire design coming together and being inspiring. The other 20% is the form, portability, battery life, etc. I rarely have to charge it and it goes everywhere with me! I can work out ideas in bed at midnight, or bring it to the lake and sample anything effortlessly, with no cables, batteries, etc. It defines standalone.
If it’s something you’ll use like that for years, then it’s worth it 10x over. If you just want another synth or sampler in your studio, then there are better options!
The music you made with it is fantastic !
Thank you!!
Great thoughts on the OP-1 field. I recently started using the OP-1 Field and OP-Z. They're both pretty different from each other but really nice highly portable devices. But I totally agree, the OP-1 field takes some getting used to and not ideal for everyone. I like mine but would equally caution others before getting one. To bad the OG OP-1 is out of production.
It’s a great keyboard. I absolutely love traveling with the OP1F as opposed to my MPC or Elektron devices. It’s quirky for sure and sounds unique. Having said that, I got mine used on reverb at a heavy discount which made it worth it. Not for everyone!
Same here, I got OP1 Field used, and it was waaaay less than $2k. It still wasn’t cheap, but it was worth it to me. I just wish it had the sequencer of the OP-Z, then it would be perfect for my uses.
@@shannonpalmer I’ve not used an OP-Z but I hear this request often in the synth space. They are always adding updates so who knows what we will see in time
OP1 is a great device to have if you play other instruments - for instance, it can be a great friend to a guitar player. play a couple chords into it, chop that up, flip it, throw some drums in, plug in a bass, just jam. It just really needs things to sample, the synth stuff is okay enough to fill in the gaps. A blast of a little device though, fun with friends!
I also recently purchased an OP-1 Field. I was very confused before I made the purchase. I mainly play acoustic instruments, so I was worried about whether I would be able to use it and whether it would be worth the price. In fact, I haven't even opened the package yet.
But I watched your video and found it very interesting. I will try to enjoy it as soon as possible. I have also subscribed to your channel and will learn a lot from your videos.
I am still new to this kind of equipment, so thank you very much for your easy to understand explanatory videos.
Thank you!! ♥️
I love the final word about undo/redo, it's probably why I go to a dawless setup
I loved the OP1 original and was sad to sell it. I got one of the first issue ones so I only paid about 750$ for it. It was still a little steep for my tastes, but I really enjoyed the tape metaphor and style of making music. When you realize the entire tape can be a scratch pad to make new samples to throw back into the sampler, a lot of opportunities to explore open up. I would always have a walkman and a stack of tapes with the OP1 to use and now and then I'd get lucky and catch a sick sample off the radio.
I also loved some of the esoteric sequencers to get textures for background sounds and ambient effects, such as the gravity sequencer, where the box spins and the notes you push create a ball that, when it bounces off the spinning box, plays. The one sequencer I hated but needed to use a lot for drum chops was the step sequencer. Ugh, very bad, but necessary. I wonder if the OPField improved it at all....
The answer is YES!
That these things exist, at this price point, and people buy them, is one of the greatest electronic music mysteries of our times...
I have an OG OP-1 that I’ve tried to like. I bought it about a year before the field came out and have yet to make anything significant on it. I find it aggravating that it doesn’t integrate well with other instruments (something the OP-Z does much better) so mine is largely gathering dust. I love what other people can make with it, but it’s just not for me. I agree with you Bo, it’s more style than substance.
I had the first OG when it came out many years ago, and I've had the Field too. Since I love to use standalone instruments to create full songs, I have developed my personal workflow on it. Usually I program the drums, bass and chords on separate tracks using the endless sequencer, and then play the melody improvising on the small keys. The problem is that if I play something wrong (and it can happen because keys are quite small for me.. and I am a pianist) then I have to delete the part of the track which contains not only the mistake but also the previous instruments I have recorded. This leads me to confusion, irritation, frustration and so on. Honestly I have been selling and re-buying the OP several times but this time I sold it and I do not miss it. I have listened to all the songs that I did on the OP and they seem all very similar.. maybe that was MY problem but that's my points. I can say that it is very beautiful instrument esthetically, it is built perfectly.. but the "tape like" workflow is really an issue to me because I love to have control on the notes I recorded. Of course the last part of the video is completely agreable, as it is an instrument that pushes you to improve your self-trust (lol) but after 11 years of fiddling with the op ... it is now time to take a break, at least for me.
Thanks for sharing!!
I remember lusting after one of these back when Red Mean's Recording (Jeremy) was doing all his OP-1 jams. The more I read and watch about it though, the more I realize I don't think it's for me, price not withstanding. The workflow just seems clunky to me.
I do think it comes alive as a composition tool when you export tracks from the OP-1 into a DAW where you can really properly edit and arrange all the parts, and adding some flair and ear candy with unlimited tracks. Risers, drops, etc.
I can really relate to this video. I ordered the Dirtywave M8 tracker a few months back and it arrived last week. I'm in the evaluation phase and asking, "is this the tracker I want?" So far, I'm enjoying it and learning the workflow and I'm hopeful the answer will remain, "yes." But - so far, so good!
i had never used a tracker in my life, but M8 became my favorite device of all my arsenal
@@nikolafeve I bought a Polyend Tracker when they first came out and struggled with it. I didn't realize there were different "styles" of workflow for trackers. The way the M8 does the job of a tracker suits me a whole lot better than the Polyend and I've been spending more time with the M8 than I have of any other recent music purchase. So, yes I totally agree - it's now my favorite device.
@@robertmyers6518 glad you love it. The polyend tracker is based on the PC tracker back in the days (definitely not my preference), M8 is based on the LSDJ tracker on gameboy which is a much nicer workflow imo
Good review. 👍🏼
I laughed at your comment about wanting a No Nonsense set of controls. The OP-1 is definitely a “high nonsense” device. I can’t think of anything else that I own that I love so much, and am so frustrated by. I think it’s all about leaning into the “vibe”, rather than understanding exactly what all the parameters do.
I also scored my Field for 25% off the ticket price, and I feel it’s worth every penny of what I paid.
For what it’s worth, these jams are probably my faves of yours, Bo, so I’m stoked to hear where your explorations take you.
Glad you enjoyed the music!!
I feel like everyone talks about the OP-1 as a stand-alone product primarily, but on its own it’s so cool for sketching ideas, and in combination with other hardware and a computer, the sampling and synthesis and everything else is actually unbelievable to me?? I’m really shocked at all the hate
Excellent video, thanks! I would recommend to anyone thinking about it to give the original op1 a try first. All the principles are the same - the Field just has a few more options and is not as Lofi. I love the original, which I’ve had for about 5 years - it really changed the way I create. So after thinking about it for quite a while, I took the plunge and bought the Field, and I absolutely love it. But if you don’t click with the OG, you won’t click with this.
Thats a good suggestion!
This is actually the best video about OP1 I have seen yet. If only the OP would not be so expensive, for that alone I will probably never buy it.
Interesting to hear your take on it. For me, although it's not really hardware, when it comes to portability I think an iPad is just leagues better. I have Logic Pro and Staffpad on an iPad with a few synths such as Synthmaster 1, Tal-UNO, Fabfilter Twin 3, Moog, then some effects from Eventide, Fabfilter, Audio Damage, Hainbach, etc... it's just so much more capable - and for a little bit of extra space you can connect something llike a mini Korg Air midi controller. And you could get all of that for probably less than half the price of an OP1 Field (although the subscription on Logic will add up over the years). You have a very valid point about learning to commit - but I'd prefer to be a better judge of when to do that - with the option to clean some mistakes up that I know I don't want to commit until I've done it - without having to do the whole thing again!
Thanks for adding your perspective to the discussion
For sure a $2000 mistake. With some of the other compact hardware out there, the OP-1 Field really doesn't make any sense at that price point. The thing should retail for $700 maximum.
I would say nothing more than $350.00
It’s because they think they are like Apple… and their customers are too 😂
@@spaceiswater6539 For $350 it could be trashy plastic thing like model samples with low-fi screen and faulty buttons.
@@symbiat0 You can get an ol iPhone for much cheaper and it can do everything the OP-1 feild can do and so much more... Albeit those buttons though.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough You might be better off still with an iPad Pro, a bunch of soft synths, plug-ins and a MIDI keyboard. Still very portable with more choice.
Well at least you’ve clarified my thinking on the OP1 it’s nice but it’s not the synth for me. Still happy with my cheaper groovebox twinned with a DAW.
But I do empathise with the infinite retakes. They say that in software development code is never finished it’s just abandoned and I can see where making music can be the same.
Yes …. It made me / makes me better … thankyou for saying exactly what I found Bo!
TE gear is the equivalent of those $5k and up Boutique Custom Shop guitars played almost exclusively by executive Blues Dads. Hobbyist collectables priced higher than most industry go-to gear.
For the price, I can get an MPC One, _and_ an SP404MKII, _and_ have enough money left over for a keyboard controller and a microphone.
+1. Though if you have a MPC, why would you want a SP404?
@@ToyKeeper Just making the point. You could also get an MPC and an MC-707... etc.
@@JeffHendricksYeah, there are a lot of options for $2k. I got a Force and a nice synth and a mic and a mixer and some stands, and have been very happy with it.
In a word - Yes! 😲😊
Op1 is the Elden Ring of synths. Unforgiving and frustrating at times, but I so loving it! Give it 8 tracks and I won’t mention undo functionality ever again.
Deal!!
it's kinda more like a $22,000 unopened copy of Final Fantasy for the original PlayStation
Great balanced review - probably great for astronauts or hipster chiptune producers
Really appreciate the wise life advice sprinkled into the jam. Yes, take a more playful approach to life and you'll live happier!
I'm personally gravitating towards an equally expensive piece of gear at somewhat of an opposite side of the portability spectrum (while still technically being portable): the Push 3. Two reasons for that: 1) There's a correlation between small size and a fiddly workflow, and 2) I've gotten tired of the inevitable jump from in-groovebox to in-daw, which always involves printing audio stems and committing to things that could still benefit from some more polish. Grooveboxes are fast up to a certain point in the process, then they get tedious and you're faster in the daw. With Push 3, that transition is entirely seamless instead - all midi, soft synth and automation data is still there on "the other side", fully available for you to keep tweaking. Best of both worlds. Only problem is that it comes with that same ridiculous price tag, and more since you want Live 11 Suite to go with it. 💸😭😂
Similar story here. If I have to use a computer to finish songs, I just ... don't. So I switched to a Force, which is like a Push 3 except it has an arranger built in so it doesn't need a computer. Maybe the Push will get that eventually, but for now, the Force is still a more complete music production device.
@@ToyKeeper To me, it's not that I want to avoid using a computer, I actually think the DAW is more convenient to use once I'm at a certain point in the music making process. For the initial spark and ideation phase up to the point of settling on a final arrangement, I really prefer to use a single piece of hardware in my lap, like the Syntakt or similar. It's really the abrupt switch from hardware to the DAW that I dislike so much - the need to print those stems to audio and commit to things that may not be fully baked ideas yet. The Push 3 makes that a completely unnecessary step since all those soft synths, automations and midi data is retained on the computer. That's something the Akai MPC couldn't do for me, so I was still stuck with trying to do 100% of the work on the MPC in standalone, which wasn't a particularly enjoyable experience either - mixing on the MPC isn't fun and it's also very limited with just one level of mix buses that can't be routed to another bus, and no parallel processing is possible aside from the few effects that have a dry/wet dial built in, or if you are OK with using one of the four return channels.
All this said, if the Force works for you and lets you avoid the computer entirely, that sounds like a great solution for you! It's certainly capable enough in standalone that you don't really *need* a computer anymore unless you're super serious about finalizing those last 1-2% of the song to make it absolutely perfect.
@@sinewaymusicYeah, it works pretty well for me. It has more "arranging + finishing songs" functionality than MPC, which is why I got a Force instead of a MPC. It's not in the same class as Ableton, of course, but for a completely standalone device it's the most powerful option so far. As a casual hobbyist, it's more than I need.
@@ToyKeeper And at half the price of the Ableton solution, too! 👌
@@sinewaymusicRight? For the price of a Push 3 w/ full license, I got a Force, SSD, mic, Sequential Pro 3, two Decksavers, and stands, all brand new.
The sampled radio talk tracks make me think of Eno and Byrne's "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts".
I'm sure it is cute yet I'm more impressed with my Polyend Tracker which is amazing and still expanding at $700...
I pre ordered the elz_1 play, because it’s like 1/4 price and looks awesome.
Dope music bro 👌
The horizontal line on the VU meter has its purpose, I am curious why you let it clipped all the time and turn the volume down? Is it because you want to have distorted fx?
Probably because Im still a noob with it
I have the original, and paid around $800 for it at the time. It felt like a fair deal, and I got on reall well with the UI, which I think is genius. I've enjoyed that it's built like a tank (it's truly surprising when you first hold one), the portability is unmatched, the battery is good, and the workflow forces decisions. The quirks have always been an issue for me; it strangely wouldn't power up without a reset at times, and the memory is limited. At $800, though, it felt fair nearly ten years ago. More than double that feels...dubious. However, if there is a market for it, and TE can sell them, more power to them. I personally wouldn't do $2k. $1200 would probably be fair today. You can get them used for 1k or under.
The memory limit is very annoying at times! Wish i put that in the vid
I fell right into the trap of FOMO! Congratulations!!
1010 music blackbox is the most portable powerfull synth/sampler/sequencer, which can work with a powerbank with 16 full fledged tracks, granular and what not. and i am an op1 version 1 owner myself. if i had to choose i personally would pick blackbox 10/10. butthe battery is absolutrly unmatched. never saw something like it. i wish i had that in my phone or ipad!
I owe OP1 a lot. Once I embraced it for the way it is, a world opened up.
I feel what you saying, I have been in the same exact spot. My fault was that I was trying to use it like other , more "standard workflow" instruments, which lead to disappointment and frustration.
It is a little like the octatrack, it was a constant battle for years, now I love it so much :)
I have the OG OP-1 and even though it's fun, it's definitely a hipster toy. Modular was my $2K mistake.
This is the textbook definition of rich kid's' toy.
Yet its used by many non-rich kids successfully to make some really cool music!
@@BoBeats yup, if one got a talent, that one can create a classic using toy piano from one dollar shop!
@@BoBeatsin another video you recommended a 2000 usd synth “for beginners” and now you say this is used by non-rich kids? No wonder you live in Sweden (one of the countries with the highest PPPs in the World)
The portability, battery life, and keyboard are all worth it for me. If Akai MPK mini Play had a 4 track recorder I’d pay the same amount. 😅
@BoBeats. Makes a synth video but somehow makes it inspirational and feel good! Love your videos.
Hey Bo !
Like your videos, very inspiring and also a real problem for my wallet 😊
I have a question
I would like to trigger the sequencer of the op-1 field on my minimoog model d 2022. What is the best lunch option for you? The midi cable to use?
Thank you very much
Oh i wish i had the answer but i have not done much work triggering or controlling the op1 from an external source
Glad u like the video!!
I'm waiting for behringer version 😂
YES
There is a certain style of music you are making with this. I believe a good instrument or tool brings forth new ways to imagine and create. There is value in that beyond the physicalities. But yeah, I felt your frustration with the OG OP-1. The build quality and portability are on a very high level.
For this money you get two Akai Force, or only one plus an analog poly synth module. You can record the synth with the force.... 👍👍
I really enjoyed my OP-1 but I fell out of love with it after I could not tweak my performances afterwards. It’s much more than a 4-channel digital tape but I decided I really preferred a tracker.
I just got a PO-32 Tonic today and I'll stick with that thanks.
I understand the appeal of the OP-1 even though i never owned one. Yeah, it's not a great synth, it's not a great sequencer, but as a whole it's very well thought out and designed. The workflow kind of pushes you towards making a track instead of just creating loops. Even the price is somewhat understandable. TE will not sell many of them, but they committed to quality materials in this one. In this free market we always vote with our wallets. If people are not buying something, the price will go down.
I love what the OP-1 and Field do, but apart from the sound engines, the rest is clunky. The quality of all the buttons and faders might be great, but I dont think you'll have a great experience with such a UI. The Microkorg is also great under the hood, but the UI also hampers it. Huge price difference, but at a lower pricepoint I'd accept a confusing user experience more than from something like what the OP-1 goes for.
If its good enough for the guy behind Tame Impala though, I guess this thing can be tamed.
I love small, but confusing interfaces are a design fail to me.
PS: Never buy anything because of Apple esque design!
When you have 4 tracks, you better make each one count. I think that’s the rationale behind the OP-1 workflow. Also, no one talks about how streamlined the workflow is for re-sampling. In that sense, the way the tape is set up with the sampler is magic.
I am planning to purchase Teenage Engineering OP-1 Field. But first I would like to ask for your opinion as to this product build quality. On the forums I have found numerous descriptions of defects found in the factory new units, such as loose batteries, crooked or stuck keys, display defects, faulty in/out ports. The number and sort of issues totally does not fit a 2000$ product. But I see some stores still offer extended warranty for OP-1 Field. Then do I really need much luck to get a fault free product or maybe the problems actually concerned only the first batch and the recent ones have been improved? Maybe you can make a video and show how is the build quality of your OP-1 Field?
In my experience almost all products will have users experiencing issues with build. I have not heard anything that makes me think Op1 field is an outlier or that there’s uncommon amount of issues. Expensive gear such as Elektrons synths can have issues too, just to mention one brand. I also think portable synths might suffer more from ppl being careless with them. Just like phones we do tend to break things we move around alot. I am not saying its built like a tank, but its well engineered. You just gotto be a bit careful with it as its a designer product.
@@BoBeats Thank you Bob. What you say is convincing.
Had op1, had op1field. Sold both. Tracker Mini FTW as for me :)
It is a super nice toy and bring joy to everybody from pro to rookies.
price is creasy but quality is too.
basically an instrument , portable, for XXI century kids.
The best portable device for making full tracks/albums is the Dirtywave M8. Polyend Tracker Mini also is a good choice. Both superior to the OP-1 Field unless you absolutely have to have a keyboard, or don’t enjoy trackers.
So basically they are superior if you want a totally different kind of portable music workstation 😏
@@BoBeats in your video when comparing the OP-1 Field to other portable options, you don’t specify a kind of workstation. You simply compare it to other portable gear options. Only now, after the fact, are you specifying a particular type of workstation.
@@F_letc.h You're right on. The M8 is the most comparable piece of gear to the OP-1 Field, and he didn't even mention it. It has great sampling capabilities, has fantastic synth engines, and is more portable. How isn't the M8 the first thing that comes to mind when finding a comparable device?
Having an M8 and an OP-1F, you can't really compare them other than music comes from the outputs. It's like putting a mechanical engineer verse an abstract painter and asking which person makes the best food and judging based on their approach.
The precision of the M8 and what it can do is amazing, but I always feel like I'm playing a handheld video game while combining it with computer programming. The OP-1F is absolutely nothing like the M8 other than it too is small enough to slide in my backpack. I enjoy both, but they fit different moods and approaches.
@@thebestdavidpeters they’re both extremely portable devices. That’s why they’re comparable. He didn’t specify workflow, or type of workstation. He was simply listing the best options for extremely portable devices. The M8 is an excellent option for someone looking for an extremely portable device.
Does it come with a lot of sounds?
I take it u can't add third party vsts 🤔
the one beat was fire
Guess I´m the mpc guy then (20+ years). Since I´m kinda biased and not too worried about the mobility of my devices, I can only say that I find your evaluation absolutely makes sense to me.
OK so I have never quite got this, I don't understand what the OP has over the MC-101 apart from looks. I guess until you play with one you don't know but I have no idea how it could be worth it. Maybe when the OP1 first came out (I believe at that time there was only £300 difference in price) a 'hipster tax' may have made it worth it, but at £1500 more what exactly does it bring to the table. It is essentially a groovebox at the end of the day.
haha "hipster tax" spot on
Hipster tax 😂
It’s sounds more like a toy than the MC 101 but it also has some amazingly cool sounds. I wish all these hardwares had a way to undo, redo and be able move it all over to a daw with the sounds and midi data to be able to edit and add more tracks. Maybe you can??? Will the tapes tracks be possible to edit on a daw and if so, how??
I don't really like the typical music I hear coming out of the OP-1 when used as a production device with the onboard synths but I'm considering buying an OP-1 (original) to use as a sampler after seeing how Heinbach uses that function only....I don't have a good sampler and the sampling workflow seems quick and easy....I've seen used ones recently for $750.
These things look really cool and seem to be good for making ideas come to life quickly. However I think a fair price for it is £599 max. Take digitakt and the MPC range. You can finish songs on both and without a computer. The Pocket Operators for me are equally inspiring at a fraction of the price, and they get me in the studio playing real instruments, finishing songs. they’re brilliant and pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things. Many is the time I’ve been messing around with one, I get something I like and then reproduce it on Elektron gear and play along on keyboards and guitar etc. they’re worth every penny.
not even $200 I would spend for this thing
Yep, that's about the max value I give it
Damn i got one to sell at 200, my bad 😅
Unfortunately, I will probably never own one of these.
It has it's appeal for sure (for me) but I really can't afford getting this 'and' keeping my dawless setup.
And the second one is not going anywhere soon, so.....
I guess I'll stick to enjoying my setup 😊
How would you arrange instruments on tracks for post production in a DAW?
Probably keep drums on 1 track, bass on one, one for pads/fx/other and one for lead
@@BoBeats yup, but my struggle was thinking something like “what if I happen to realize that I want to eq the hi hats differently”… well actually I did find myself in this situation and what I ended up doing was ti split frequencies in multiple chains with a frequency band splitter and do some eq, but I’m not sure this is good practice
The only thing that keeps the OP-1 from being the BEST portable sampler/synth on the market is the absence of a normal ADSR envelope on the "drumsampler". Also wish it had one more track (at least). Still love it tho
Thats a good point!
After owning an OP for a while, I can safely say the PO series is the magnum opus of TE. OP1 has shitty recording abilities that "force the user to think", but then TE release a 6 track field recorder, for another 2k - it's all money. Any OP owner would kill for the ability to sequence or edit recordings without feeling like you're in Abbey Road in the 70s, and its only a software update away. At least you can sequence the PO series and chain them. I would say the OPZ could be in the list too, but it's a little chaos
You should get the ELZ_1 Play
Great Video, now I am dead sure I don't need one, that would frustrate me no end.
I am glad it was helpful!
@@BoBeats it was indeed, as you pointed out a few very fundamental things about the work flow, which are missing in other videos.
Just wanted to say I really liked your demos. As for the op-1field, kinda disappointed it's so expensive and only 4 tracks 😫. If the Roland mc-101 had an "easier" UI, it could be a great and cheaper option.
the mc707 is a cheaper option, limited sampling, not so portable (who cares) but its packed with roland sounds
For some users, there is no other device that can fill its space. I consider it to be a sketch pad. Light, useful screen, amazing battery, built in speaker is actually good, fills all of the instrument type needs.
There are only 2 additional things I’d really like from it. Like nearly everybody else, I want an undo, but as an engineer, also understand the challenge of undo within the OP-1 workflow. I’d also like keys that do not double trigger. Like seriously, is that so much to ask for? 😂
It's a pretty good sketch pad. It struggles with turning sketches into finished songs though. So I eventually gave up and switched to something which is better suited for finishing songs.
@@ToyKeeper If you don't mind me asking, what did you switch to? Force? I'm still looking for that full portability. May try one of the trackers, if I have time. The closest thing I've actually purchased (to the OP-1) is the Deluge. Everything I make on it still sounds very programmed, though (which it is).
Always on the hunt. :)
@@rhakkaYes, I switched to a Force. It's not portable, but it sure is powerful. For portable use, a DirtyWave M8 or MC-101 would be a good option, but a tracker or pattern-based device usually makes music sound even more programmed. So I mostly start by humming a song idea into the Force, then play phrases and rhythms real-time for a more organic feel, then add extra tracks and arrange the clips into a song.
I understand your frustration and your adaptation, the same thing happened to me with my OP-1 unit, but I don't use it like an SP-404, I think that as a sampler the SP404 is much better than the Op-1 and I think that OP-1 is better synthesizer than a hardware sampler.
Actually the concept of recording things live on the fly is great for those who know how to play well, but it is difficult to do it with this keyboard, you have to be very meticulous and it requires special skill.
My unit is the first version (the original), it does not have the new features that the new one has, but the use and functionality is the same, and as a sampler to do things with radio sounds, it seems like a very good one. For me, the concept of the 11 synthesis engines is a bit overkill on this machine, the sound editing isn't really satisfactory, they don't have the depth of my exclusive Waldorf Blofeld, but it produces great sounds for live playing and sampling. and then use the looper with the recorder.
Op-1 is like a small studio inside a box, where you have a kind of 4-track reel-to-reel and where you can compose things like in the 80s. (without DAW).
This machine is perhaps the best daw-less concept machine, for making lo-fi hiphop instrumentals with 4 tracks, it's really cool.
But since I bought the Maschine+ for 800 euros, I think it made a big difference when it came to composing my music and even using the OP-1 with Maschine+ as a very powerful and minimalist external extra.
I really like the Op-1, but the price it has now is really ridiculous, the mk1 cost me similar to this year's Maschine+ and I saw how the price rose exaggeratedly over the years.
I wouldn't recommend the Op-1 for finger playing, I think the Maschine Plus is a much better machine in that regard and has the best pads and pots for controlling samples and editing them with precision.
The worst thing about the machine is the battery, I think that when its battery fails over time, it stops being so autonomous and that is when you stop using it, I use it with the cable current all the time, because its battery really doesn't last long. and it's already 10 years old, because I bought it in 2013 and well, this was the most expensive machine I bought in those years, the rarest too, I won't part with it because there are many things I like about OP-1, others I don't so much.
Thank you for sharing your concerns in this video. Greetings and merry christmas!
Nice review! I would use 22 000 NOK towards an OB-6 instead. :D
Like the meme i put in the vid:
Real synth nerds only pay 2K for 70s tech!
Great take! Like you said there are way more powerful options out there for less money, but it seems nothing beats it for battery life, tiny size, and future aesthetic. Unique workflow can definitely be a pro and a con
Hey question, is there a “save state” that can be reloaded like elektron boxes have? That would be a great workaround for undo if there is!
Nope, there is no save/restore state. The closest thing is: You can cut audio from the tape, then record stuff, then paste over what you did if you don't like it. There is only one cut/paste buffer though, and it is limited in size, and it requires doing a manual cut first, and it's prone to messing up the timing while pasting, so there are a lot of caveats.
@@ToyKeeperYikes it sounds worse than a ditto looper for actually laying down tracks 😅 Kudos to y’all who can commit like that. Hard pass for me lol
@@MistyMusicStudioThe OP-1 is good for the right person, but I am not the right person. I eventually gave up and switched to something else.
Cutting and gluing tape loops for 4-track portastudio. Back to the future.
I prefer a Lyra 8 and a Cosmos pedal. 😁
I have both of these and an op1 field. They play very well together.
@@LaChona420k i m sure they will.
23:43 So it would be a mistake for me as I already have that mind set not just as a biggener to Music but I picked it up from year of CZcams, writing and pixelart making... That mindset is something you need in all creative feilds when you need to post something to the public or even just friends. That said it sounds like it grounds you and that's great which it reminds me of an old '90s sytnth mixed with a sony Walkman... As the music you made with that reminds me of Frank kaplachis work which he comes from that era.
We need to talk about how these beats were mega dope 🔥👊
nice beats
9:45 and afterwards... I guess I don't understand what you did differently during this recording, compared to earlier when you got a click at the loop seam. The example pattern itself, in the section after my timestamp, is a bit clicky, so I'm confused whether you changed something to get rid of the loop seam clicks.
Also, I disagree that, in a destructive editing environment, Copy & Paste is an adequate substitute for Undo. It's a good cope, but Undo would've been better. That means the OP-1F doesn't have enough storage cache for the large temporary files that an Undo feature would require (because of the destructive nature of the editing). This seems kinda cheap of TE, but I suppose it's also their design ethos of the OP-1 encouraging a similar workflow as you'd have with a tape machine.