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"Karli is trying to kill Sam because she is a sympathetic character"
Best line!
That part had Greg & John dying. Haha
I still cannot believe the show tried to make us sympathize with terrorism... I know they had a good cause.. But they were terrorists doing terrorist stuff behind a good cause
Its the whole propaganda, they tried to let us sympathize with Wanda too, while she did all terrible things, and they say she sacrificed , what did she sacrifice ' imaginary characters '.
What good cause?
@@tamberlame27 help the people.......like thats what in thier mind. ...but they were just terrorists during terrorist stuff
Yup, and the new captain didn't really do nothing wrong... But they kept telling us that he's so bad, without actually writing it, the same with the terrorist group. Bad scenario... lack of logic. How about not negotiating with terrorists??
@@Bayard1503 yes i was like yeah this John guy is alright .. backing up Sam and buck in the truck fight and getting them off from jail....he was doing great ...and i see people hating on online and checked out people reacting to the show on CZcams and everyone is being children showing blatant unnecessary hate to Walker ....the show was stupid at the end ..and it made me feel like a lot of people watching this is just sheep or something...
7:28 I was waiting for this moment, I was so pissed when it cut away
We all were
Right? I mean Bucky's been doing everything he can to shed the title of the winter soldier, they couldn't have had the title card say "The White Wolf"?
Also the entire season, we were waiting for Bucky to confront and tell Yuri the truth and they wrap it up in like 10 seconds?????
Captain America and The White Wolf sounds dope🔥🔥
*Captain America and Bucky*
Yeah right, like they are going to let a white guy escape his past and become something better. He is the winter soldier for life and deserves that title.
Or maybe call him "Captain America" seeing as he was linked to Captain America for 29 years before Sam even existed.
when u realize karlie killed more people than zemo but marvel acts like karlie is a misunderstood character and zemo is a villain .
Zemo killed more people and he killed the king of wakanda and almost got avengers to kill each other but still he weakened avengers with led to thanos bitch slapping them to the infinity war win.... Zemo is a villain with charisma... Karli is a villain who is just no charisma and with a lot of love from the showrunners
@@mirrorman8549 I mean come on what is she intended to do when she said she want to make the world the way it was before the blip . Like time travel and search for infinity stones and snap ??
@@mirrorman8549 a cause with no plan .But killing innocents .
@@tarakgamer5875 she says the world was better during the blip... The hulk snap undid thanos snap.. Thanos was right...Infinity war was a Thanos movie... He said he will save the universe and he did the world was better after the snap that's why he won it.. Even though he killed a lot of innocent people.. He wasn't the hero but a person the universe needed... In endgame his motivation and goal changed to kill everyone and start his own rule over the universe unlike infinity war thanos who wants to save it and retire to farm life... And that's why thanos lost in endgame
@@mirrorman8549 but in what way is she going to do blip again?? is she going to kill half the population with weapons?
When producer guy said "how does the shield work" I was reminded of spider man saying "that thing does not obey the laws of physics at all
Like Ryan said Sam's CA speech went on 5 minutes long. And all he managed to convey was we can do better. Better how? Marvel's attempt at social commentary is commendable, but I believe in their power to do better than empty virtue-signaling.
U just did what they did. “Better” ... go ahead explain how?.... but u see “how” isn’t important to be explained in a show.. technical details are not the concern of the show the point is to change the situation in a positive light. The technical details is of how it needs to be done isn’t relevant to the plot of the show or even the character.
@@amigo77777 Okay so the show clearly tells us to understand the motives of terrorists and not call them terrorists and this goes on 5 fucking minutes and then when he is asked where do we start from exactly and he's like..do better. That was the corniest shit I've seen bro. looked like virtue signalling to me.
@@ayushman3359 yeah its corny and its long but its necessary.. taking 5 minutes of a show where every second matters to hammer in the msg to do better .... I thought it was necessary cuz even though u hear it i dont think ppl understand what do better means
@@amigo77777 because they don't know that themselves. Disney producers live in a mansion with running busi esses all over the world. They DO not solve or help anything. Moreover this "look we're tackling this race issue come watch our show" is such a low hanging fruit imo. They aren't even doing it any creative way it's just all "do better" comic bs.
@@ayushman3359 i dont know abt what Disney producers do but My point is that that 5 min speech was long but necessary.
I agreed with the idea of the confession not being executed well. I feel the scene would have carried more impact or felt like a better payoff if Bucky had reacted the way he did when he realized he was free(back at Wakanda) or something along those lines.
Similar to Isaiah getting his recognition being a tearful moment, this would have definitely been up there.
The whole show made me feel like Bucky got the short end of the stick. The little character development he has seems to happen offscreen, and his one moment was rushed, cut short and deeply frustrating. And as SR points out, he no longer is the Winter Soldier! That’s his whole journey. He shouldn’t be called like that anymore.
Marvel never cared enough about Bucky barnes.. You can see them giving less thought towards him after civil war.... Even though he is like way popular threw out all of mcu with both genders... People wanted a winter soldier r rated movie
In my imagination :-
Yuri : Why are you telling me this now, do you want to be forgiven for the crime you have done?
Camera pans towards Bucky who is speechless and has tears in his eyes.
Camera goes back to the close up of Yuri who is now breaking apart.
Yuri : What do I do with this information? i have already lost him and nothing can bring him back not even your apology.
He is shaking from the inside and Bucky grabs his hands and Yuri doesn't protests.
He hugs him and Yuri cries his heart out.
The camera slowly moves away and we know that Yuri has finally found out the truth that he deserves. And then the window scene can happen where they both see each other from the glass window of the bar and somebody calls for Yuri's attention and when he turns back to look at the window, Bucky is gone.
My take on that scene.
I always love jaby's frustration, he always showcase his points. He doesn't let anything pass because his making a point 👊
I think the elephant in the room is the word refugee . If they had introduced a villain without a backdrop no one especially Achara , would be so defensive about calling a spade a spade . There is literally no excuse for killing innocent people and Jaby is absolutely correct that the speech was corny and Ryan was right the flag smashers were terrorists. Like Lamar said - power only makes you more of who you are . So every single character on the super serum is exactly who they must be growing up only amplified . Whichever part of the world karli came from where she was a naturalised citizen and not a refugee , I’m sure she was as slippery and confused and egomaniacal or directionless even. That they were so good at hiding out , organising seamlessly to commit a crime only shows that she must be a metaphorical arsonist in her original world and with power it only got amplified . Agent Barnes was not a killer to begin with so after wakandans stripped him off his trigger words he was simply Bucky . Walker was always insecure and Lamar kept him in line . He also seems to be a bitter person and someone who didn’t get help for his PTSD.
Also No matter how messed up our world is Thanos’s snapped didn’t a) fix it because not everything boils down to population control when the 1% retain all the money and power which remained unchanged with 8 billion people or the 4 billion after the blip and b) not something created by the govts for a change. So if the Govt wants to repatriate people I don’t think they were wrong . It cannot be compared to how poor Mexicans are snuck in to the company and then dumped out on their ass when the job is done. That is Govt created . Thanos’s blip isn’t Govt created . And despite this being a fictional show it is set in the real world with real world race issues etc so just learn how to call a spade a spade . Wokeness won’t get anyone very far . It’s an insult really to call her misguided because every domestic terrorist in America is excused their punishment because they came from a fatherless single mom household and never fit in. I love both your channels and authentic reviews Jaby so keep up the good work 👍🏻
You know, they are called the flag smashers and they smashed Walker’s shield with the American flag on it.
Im so happy pitch meeting pointed out the crappy writing of the show that everyone magically overlooked
exactly, just because its the mcu, doesn't mean everything will be perfect... or the best thing in the world
@@thetypingavocado574 MCU has only 4 good movies.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p which 4? Cause I never really thought about which ones were good.
@@BL3H- Iron Man, Guardians, Civil War, Incredible Hulk, maybe Infinity War (if we ignore that all deaths are fake).
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p yeah, those are good, but I also like captain America winter soldier and thor ragnarok.
I love watching Achara and Jaby debate an issue they have different feelings about. More of that please... but keep it civil. Lol
I think you're right, because even in the 10 seconds of the Bucky-Yuri scene, Sebastian killed it. With his voice break, and glistening eyes, and I was just craving for more but they sharply cut away. They probably didn't like the Yuri actor's performance.
They did Yuri dirty... it was supposed to be the climax to an emotional story that had been hyped all season... I think Jaby is right though. The actor didn't appear to have that emotional connection to the scene. However, because they cut it so short, we will never know.
True. It could be one of the reasons
Lol on the contrary the old man reacted so perfectly, he was so confused and shocked to know that a friend of his has killed his son, and it all started to make sense as to why even Bucky is his friend in the first place. Instead they gave Bucky such a short dialogue "I didn't have a choice", he should've said "I didn't have a choice, I was experimented and brainwashed by Hydra and then they sent me on missions, your son just happened to be at the wrong place and the wrong time and I regret that everyday" or something like this. I think they messed up further dialogues of Bucky rather than the old man's, the old man's acting job was relatively easy, he just had to question and grief like any other character, but the writer had to write answers for bucky to be reasonable enough for the oldan to listen which I think the writer surely messed up and eventually it got cut.
It's almost the same case as how John Walker changed so suddenly and became friends with Bucky without any proper explanation like nothing that serious happened between them, the writer must've messed up giving Walker proper dialogues in order to sort out there differences, and it got cut by the director at the final hour.
Even the flag smasher whole not being addressed as the terrorist gang by Sam and Sharon being the power broker without any in depth explanation is out of character, these both are pretty bad writings.
So you guys are blaming the wrong person it's not the actor, it's definitely the writer.
@@bish09 in that case, it's not the writers, but the editors.
@@juliant not really, but in any case I don't think it's the fault of actor. Since the main story was so weak and the portrayal of main villain was so bad it has to be the writer, I don't see the editor cutting out stuff that were good, especially MCU editors never does that without a reason and moreover they don't have that level of creative control, director and producer (mostly Lord Feige) does while the writer has better creative control since he is pitching the story and dialogues. They had a great premise, a very medoicre ending. So overall the show was okay, but it had a lot of potential of reaching or even surpassing the level of civil war or cap winter soldier at one point.
@@juliant the editing and camera work wasn't great, like it felt abrupt, or the camera didn't make the conversation feel connected. it didn't feel human
I mean screen rant is totally right. MCU gave 5 mins for Sam to justify Karli's wrong actions but they didn't gave Bucky 2 mins for his closure. 😠😠😠 Nothing should justify terrorism , jaby got it right.
I hate carli or whatever her name is she is so bad
Carli was like a kid who'd gotten superpowers and thought it made her really cool with people listening to her and stuff and that made her entitled to whatever she wanted to do with an unclear vision of where she wanted it all to end, cuz stopping that bill from passing wouldn't have been the end if she had succeeded.
true
Exactly, but people out here defending her
i don't care for her character it's just meh
I feel the same way Jaby does about the Elder Japanese actor. My brain keeps trying to think of a away to adjust the scene. If we don't want to include dialogue, I think a wide shot would work nicely there with no audio. Just let the characters body language tell the us audience what we need to know.
Trust me, People are gonna love Wyatt Russel's character John walker over the time
He's gonna be an example of, a wine that ages well with the time
I'm going to be really honest, his character was one of the main reasons why I started loving this series before the finale, because I like the conflict that happened between Bucky, Sam and him
@@Farhan-Dabhoi true!..
And to be honest, anything that marvel does is simply overhyped lately..this series was not more than a decent plot story with numerous plot holes (if not explained in continuation ahead)
Sudden change of behaviour of john walker in last episode (he was good no doubt, he is tough decision maker to get his job done) but they did the opoosite, his goal was to stop the flag smashers! So saving senators instead of fighting karli was odd, and dropping sheild indicating him letting go cap america mantle was ironic! He actually became capt america in that moment when he chose to save the truck and let go karli, he abandoned being john walker who would have focused on his mission!..then there are many other minute plot holes but reasonable,
People will love him when they re-watch the show with no baised hatred towards him for no reason
@@abhijeetjadhav2961 that’s why I love invincible series compared to mcu shows at the moment
Lol on the contrary the old man reacted so perfectly, he was so confused and shocked to know that a friend of his has killed his son, and it all started to make sense as to why even Bucky is his friend in the first place. Instead they gave Bucky such a short dialogue "I didn't have a choice", he should've said "I didn't have a choice, I was experimented and brainwashed by Hydra and then they sent me on missions, your son just happened to be at the wrong place and the wrong time and I regret that everyday" or something like this. I think they messed up further dialogues of Bucky rather than the old man's, the old man's acting job was relatively easy, he just had to question and grief like any other character, but the writer had to write answers for bucky to be reasonable enough for the oldan to listen which I think the writer surely messed up and eventually it got cut.
It's almost the same case as how John Walker changed so suddenly and became friends with Bucky without any proper explanation like nothing that serious happened between them, the writer must've messed up giving Walker proper dialogues in order to sort out there differences, and it got cut by the director at the final hour.
Even the flag smasher whole not being addressed as the terrorist gang by Sam and Sharon being the power broker without any in depth explanation is out of character, these both are pretty bad writings.
So you guys are blaming the wrong person it's not the actor, it's definitely the writer.
laughed when the Flag-Smashers ran away, because, in a twisted way, since the series was trying to tackle racism, and since Sam was convincing Karli, that they're acting like a bunch of supremacist, it would look VERY bad if they were found out on killing a black man.
I do find it weird that they ignore the Iron Patriot, or Captain America's 1st movie, where he drew himself as a monkey on a unicycle because he's working for the government
8:29 IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!
Bucky’s superhero name is White Wolf now. We learned that in Black Panther.
Why didn’t they use it here?
Also, Falcon takes on the role of Captain America from his friend and he ISN’T called Captain Falcon?! I am disappointed.
Imagine a man doing the role of Carli Morgan , they wouldn't have tried to insert so much sympathy for him and we would have instantly started hating him. I was really confused why they tried to show her in good light even though she killed innocents and was trying to kill more. And yes her motivation doesn't matter as she killed innocents and was becoming totally ruthless and psychopath in the end of the season.
The funny thing is, karli is genderbent in the show because in the comics Karli is a guy with the name karl
@@rohanrodrigues7115 WOW... didn't know that.
Well you don't need to imagine, we got that. Walker was hated far more than the hatred his character actually induced or demanded just because people couldn't handle a REALISTIC captain america. He is absolutely bashed for doing what America has really always done (gets applaud for it).
It is Karl Morgenthau in the comics. They just added an extra 'i' in the name to change the gender.
Yup...damn straight!
It's actually comic accurate outfit
pitch meeting reaction: How many times u are gonna say " I didnt think about that! "
Jaby:Yes
Love you both
One of my favourite Pitch Meetings. Non-stop hilarity.
1:16 underrated line “ I don’t know how to feel about this guy but I’m CAPtivated” 😂😂😂
The whole reason Sam's Captain America suit looks like it does is because it's accurate to his comic book costume. You can find comparisons online, i'm sure.
Jaby's Tshirt Game Is Strong 💪!!!
Yeah there were a couple of problems with the speech overall but the one that stood out for me was the exact thing the video pointed out; they did the exact same actions a terrorist would do, why should we not call them as such, regardless of whether or not you sympathize or not? Ask the families of those who were burned by Karli inside the building if they should be called terrorists or not, I think you'd have your answer.
Dunno, just doesn't sit well with me.
I feel like the difference between sam killing someone and John killing nico is when Sam kills, it's like more of we're in combat, I have to save someone, this isn't cold blooded vengeance, it's also not prolonged, it's quick and over with. When John killed, he chased someone down, pinned them to the ground and repeatedly bludgeoned them to deal, didn't just stop when they were dead, he kept going until their chest was caved in. It's wasn't just I have to stop you, it was cold blooded revenge driven murder
@@Sunny-sc5vq I don't know what to say. Both are revenge driven. I guess Nico wasn't the one that killed Lemar.
WandaVision - Agatha All Along became a meme.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Zemo coming for the low became a meme.
I'm excited to see what becomes a meme in Loki.
Talking about the killing aspect. I've seen one comment from someone who said that Steve has definitely killed people in the past as Captain America but it was never out of cold blood and pure rage like John did to that flag smasher.
We're talking about loki so I'm pretty sure the whole series is definitely mememable lol
@@Gicosaurus LOL
Nico was holding John from behind so Karli could stab him which led to lemar tackling Karli which led to Karli one punch killing lemar... Nico threw a huge cylinder concrete block at john 10 secs before dying and Nico surrendered and said he wasn't me like 1-2 secs before dying.. It's too late for a guy who just lost his best friend and raged up but the serum ..as captian America it was not acceptable.. But as John walker it was justified
John killed very dangerous monster who was a threat to people around.
The only good thing about that series was John Walker ❤ People are just stupid enough to hate him
Yup
🤝really bro
I never thought about the actors' performance until you mentioned it. Carl Lumbly is a fine actor and in the final scene when he hugs Sam it's all there on his face, anger, betrayal, bitterness, even redemption. When Bucky tells him he's the one who killed his beloved son the reaction could've been on par with him being told a food delivery will be late, upset but accepting. Actors cut their teeth in betrayal scenes and maybe the actor wasn't up to the task, or, maybe the scene was acted exactly as written we'll never know.
Bucky's whole storyline was off and that's why they couldn't pay it off. It wasn't emotionally honest in the way Isaiah's story was. You wouldn't think it's therapeutic to tell, say, a former child soldier to go apologise to the families. He had to go around apologising to the people who HYDRA hurt, when he was literally brain zapped and tortured into being their gun. Even Sam's advice was bad - basically 'man up'.
02:34
When you and your Bestie copy each other without even realising it
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
omg the exposed HEAD was the first complaint i had when i was watching the epiosde
The shield actually works through a combination of utilizing superhuman strength and advanced geometric calculations that are only possible due to the super soldier serum, which greatly increases his overall physical capabilities and overclocks his mental processes.
thank you!! i just put that up myself. Like if anyone can take the sharpest knife in the world and push it through titanium unless you have the strength to push it through. Ex wolverine has claws, but he's also super strong with adamantium bones
Love Ryan George... yh yh yh
I liked the part where Sam lifted a truck despite not being a super soldier.
The power broker being Sharron didn’t line up timeline wise and for a few other ways but that leads to the issue.
Please review invincible its ending its 1st season this Friday
Achara u seriously don't know that Marvel released a one hour cut of zemo dancing.❗
Completely agree with Jaby on the scene with Nakajima. I'm gonna go further and say that even 10 more seconds wouldn't have been enough. 2-3 minutes of him getting mad at Bucky and Bucky just silently taking it would've been amazing
14:14 so if smone was living in ur house after u returned from the blip, would u just leave ur house and be okay it's ur now I'm leaving, which is bought by u hard working over the yrs
Also SAM isn't ready to sell the boat because his parents bought it by hardworking over many yrs but he is supporting ppl who just entered a house because no one there which is smone's hardwork .....
Hypocrisy!!!
Achara! How have you not seen the #ZemoCut!? 😳😲🤔
I agree with Jaby with the Confession scene with Nakajima. Should've been played out a little longer. Again this show leave the audience wanting for more in terms of emotional scenes...
Not sure if this affects people trying to find this video, but SOLDIER is misspelled as "SOLIDER" in the title.
The new suit is actually somewhat more accurate to his original comic outfit more than his mcu outfit
It just is more american themed
Sympathetic characters story -
"I found a car."
"I had fun with the car."
"Owner came back, and took away the car."
"Someone owes me a car."
"I'm going to kill people, until someone gives me a car."
These terrorists are not sympathetic characters. They are the definition of evil.
I would say they are ridiculously evil, but people like this exist in reality.
11:32 I can see them arguing about that fact all day :D :D :D :D
9:09 nah it’s just his comic accurate suit lol
It’s stupid
@@exodustimes4266 ok
lol I was blaming the “Yori” actor too
Plz react to more pitch meeting🙏🙏🙏
React to John Wick 2 and 3 Honest trailers
Marvel treats PTSD as a joke just ask fat Thor
I worked with Sebastian Stan years ago. I was happy to see him become part of the MCU, but now I wonder how he truly feels about it.
Jab at 7:25-7:38 lmao
I see a lot of desperate attempts online to consider Sam's new suit cool because it's comic accurate or something.
But CMONNN, the thingy on the neck is so distracting and restricts movements and looks super ugly. And the CGI felt quite unfinished. Was happy to see Sam in red, white, and blue but still, this is by far Sam's ugliest costume and I really hope it gets an upgrade.
Bro when I saw that suit I was trying so hard not to laugh as his head was just poking out of that bulky ass suit 😂😂 Really bad.
Sharon Carter as the power broker makes no sense. She lead Sam, Bucky and Zemo to Nagal, I still don't understand why she would do that now that we know she was the power broker and sacrificing the one person who could have made her more super serum.
She was mad at Zemo for killing him though
@@Laurica-lb6nv yeah true but still not smart exposing your greatest asset like that especially with all those assassins coming after them. She could have lied to them.
As Captain Jack Sparrow would say, telling someone "do better" is just maddeningly unhelpful.
Marvel posted an hour of zemo dancing on their CZcams, you can go watch it if you want 😂
Livstream Today?
Sam treats a fellow soldier like shit and is eager to fight him yet he is sympathetic towards and refuses to fight a terrorist.
To be honest I had a feeling Sharon is the Power Broker. But in my hope the Power Broker would be the Kingpin and I hoped the Vincent D'Onofrio would be back as Kingpin since for me he did a great job portraying the Kingpin.
And what does he mean by "do better"?
They never specify
I’ve been around during 2 different big protests that “turned into” riots with looting and people settling fires. In both cases, the protesters were mostly local but the vandalism/ fire setters were shipped in from out of town or from out of state at considerable expense to some rich individual(s). Their motivation may actually to cause a public reaction against protests leading to repressive legislation leading to a de facto police state where the rich individuals are still pulling the strings but more so. The who and why behind it is arguable. What is documentable is that extreme vandals are mostly shipped in from out of town. Historically, the result of revolution is a totalitarian regime, not greater freedom. The “revolutionaries” use anarchists to cause a reaction, and then kill the anarchists off. They camouflage their activities and motivations with ideologies that are attractive on the surface. Think about it.
This is so beautiful ...This series made me love the two characters I hated the most ...till the last episode ...The new Falcon suit looks dull : /.....I wish Bucky had more gimmicks with his hand...
captain falcon is not a super, just a hero, he got no super powers, so not a super hero, he did fight supervillains as the villains had super powers
HOW ABOUT THE JUMP CHARACTERWISE FOR ZEMO N SHARON
I dont get why they had to cut the pandemic thing, it happening in real life wouldnt just make it more fitting? Also it is a sensitive thing but people being blown up isnt?
his costume looks like the one in the comics... they made it almost 100% identical to the comics... yes in irl, if you think it over, that exposed head for a just normal human does brings up technical/logical issues...
11:38 Hear hear!!
React to the new honest trailer for John Wick 3
well everyone knows bad guys never shoot for the head if your the hero of the show :D
Sharon Carter starts the Armor wars
jaby, ryan george recently hit 1mil subs watch the video about it on his channel
Plz plz react to another pitch meeting.... OOHH... PITCH MEETINGS ARE TIGHT.... WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW...
Viewers: Carli
Marvel: Karli
Interested because I hated the ideas and everything it stood for.
The point about the term Terrorist is that it's such a loaded word for people who are fighting against such an overwhelming force that conventional war is an absolute impossibility. The US was founded by terrorists if you think about it... We had to use hit and run tactics and cause as much damage as possible secretly to the British troops to demoralize and make them staying here not a financially viable option. There's a fine line between Terrorist and Freedom Fighter depending on which side we're rooting for. :( Not agreeing with their tactics, but saying calling them Terrorists is an excuse to ignore their message.
Considering how sebastian stan nailed that scene at wakanda, i was looking forward to the confession. I don't really see anything wrong with them running away after karli killed lemar, it obviously shows they are not trained killers that have to get the job done no matter what. They didn't signup to kill innocent people and they made it known at some point to karli. So they acted like scared civilians when lemar died not super soldiers.
I think what sam said is to stop dumping, blaming or whatever bad things to others
Start finding the problems and solving them
Sebastian stan awesome actor
i hated that sam started going at the senator’s for looking for a logistic solution to vouch for the girl and group that literally killed innocent people because…. oh right carlie was just misunderstood and not psychologically insane and filled with super serum. but yes hate john walker for killing one bad guy👌🏼😂
yoyoyo
Really hope they change Winter Soldier to White Wolf.
You can argue both ways, but in that scene, the plan was to isolate Walker from Sam & Bucky to kill him, but by that scene they we're taking out one by one and at that point they just retraite. Again, you can argue that it was dumb or whatever, but you can't say it was "ilogic"!
It was cringy show anyway
My gripe with the show is how big of a deal they made about john walker killing that guy. The avengers kills bad guys all the time while casually cracking jokes. Heck, before john walker became capt america he was in special forces which means he probably killed a bunch of guys. So basically the government ejected him out of a position that he got to by killing people because he killed a person. I don’t like john walker one bit, but their reasoning for playing him off as a bad guy was dumb. Even the government themselves said that the flag smasher was a terrorist group, so why does john walker get treated like a monster for a treating a terrorist like a terrorist?
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The idea of linking karli with the protestors in real life is very much credible. Her people had been marginalized and she was angry. The way she and her followers went about was not the right way, of course. But the core sentiment of protest and fighting for the rights was there. This is very important because in the first Captain America movie, the scientist who invented the super soldier serum tells steve that the serum amplifies what is in a person, so good becomes great and bad becomes worse. This sentence implies that the idea of amplification of characteristics is not just physical, it affects the mind of the subject. It's more apparent with walker in the series, with him losing his shit after taking the serum, but don't forget, the flag smashers also took the same serum. They also must have had some switch flip off in their brains which caused them to kind of knowingly ignore the lines of morality.
maybe it's just me but i still don't understand why sam can be free i mean he was previously imprisoned and he got out of jail for escaping
Whatever he said was kinda true. Who writes these stories in MCU ?
Achara, the media portrays groups of people as something they’re not (please don’t fall into their trap). I’m a first generation American and a so-called “person of color” (which I think is actually a pretty racist thing to call someone). I’m not oppressed, or marginalized, or underserved, or in need of handouts. One of my biggest pet peeves is when others speak on my behalf or being grouped. I know you genuinely mean well, but just be aware of the media’s manipulation…
The whole story of the show was how kids behave.They(sam) dont care about things(sheild) when they have them ..but when its given to other kid(walker) they start crying
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