I QUIT CHRISTIANITY. I Didn't Want To Quit Christianity. Am I Against Jesus? Fundamentalists Say Yes
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- An Evangelical told me I am just adamantly against believing in Jesus. Really? Is that what this channel is about? You might be surprised.
If you would like to read a novel about what I think the Apocalypse would be like if Christ ever returned (a tale the fundamentalist will despise) click the link below. And may God bless you---just not the God that floods an entire world.
THE SECOND FALL. By Charles Hurst
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Thanks for watching. If you would like to embark on a tale I admit is fiction, check out THE SECOND FALL. What would a Jesus be like if he came back for an Apocalypse. On KDP select.
www.amazon.com/SECOND-FALL-Charles-Hurst/dp/B08RR9SJFM
Keep up the good work mate, there can never be too many voices of rationality, reason and reality. Have subbed and shared with my atheist and superstitionalist friends.
@@TheTruthKiwi thanks Kiwi
Hard to believe in 1st century myths today in the 21st century .People would rather believe in a nice lie rather then an ugly truth
Arguments still aren't evidence. The bible told me so - isn't evidence. And the plea to "Just believe it!" is like pouring gas all over the car hoping some will make it into the tank. It would have been much simpler and cleaner to stay in church, go with the flow, enjoy the community, feel like I was doing good at times. I wouldn't have had the gossip, the abandonment. I wouldn't have to fill the schedule on Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday nights doing other things. And I wouldn't have to endure those passing feelings of "How the heck was I so dumb" and the mental list of the wasted of time, effort, and money over the decades that I was duped.
Thank you Charles for letting us know, about your private thoughts about christianity, religions and religious fundamentalism - on my journey of deconstruction your videos and content did help me a lot to understand myself better and my religious indoctrination so far. It´s a journey to leave all that religious crap behind us. Keep up your good work for us, dear Charles Hurst.❤🔥💯❣
Yes it is. Deconverting isn't as fun as the Christians think. Cheers, DCF
Good on you! Keep it up. I’d love to be convinced as well 🤙🏻
A layman debunks Christianity! You caught my attention. I'll be back!
I have never been religious and have been an Atheist from a young age. But I, like you, live in the hope that one day something more than an illogical word salad comes from Christians in defence and proof of their beliefs. If they are going to annoy people, the least they could do is present some credible evidence.
After 40 odd years, I think it just isn't going to happen. Maybe it is time to give up that hope.
There is so much evidence. Unfortunately it’s just evidence that you do not want to accept.
@@AD-qm3bv We may disagree as to what convincing evidence is. What may convince you, may not convince me. And that is ok. I think most Atheists set the bar a bit higher for what they consider convincing evidence.
Unspecified Leprechauneist here. I fear death as much as I feared the unknown before I was born. Leprechaun is beyond the ways of a god or gods.
I appreciate the honestly and vulnerability in this video! I think exploring the Bible is part of this journey for me… like: did I miss something?? ☺️
I don't think you're missing anything in your channel. Gents: Check out Joel's channel--he reads a chapter per episode and adds his own mildy sarcastic comments on a lot of illogic the bible presents. Cheers, DCF
Why aren't atheists living in total fear? I imagine they did at first. I follow more than a few atheist CZcamsrs, and heard more than a few deconversion stories. It's common for them to go through a period where they are having serious doubts but are doing anything they can to remain in the faith. I don't know if they have overcome their fear of ceasing to exist once they die. I know some have said that they have accepted the absence of life after death, I take them at their word.
I've abandoned my last faith (Nichiren Buddhism) 4 years ago, and am not bothered by death, at least not yet, partly because I live on the autistic spectrum and don't feel emotions as strongly as most people do. So I'm not bothered by such fears. The curious thing is that I do accept the hypothetical possibility of a god of some sort existing, but I doubt he is aware that humanity exists and see no reason why he would set up an afterlife for people he doesn't know exist.
Interesting take Darwin. Cheers, DCF
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Its a faith its not about logic the world sees things from the natural eye not the spiritual.
It’s time for you to check out Dudeism my fellow dude.
This is a pretty brilliant guitar player, gents. You should check out his channel if you like 1970s riffs. Cheers, DCF
Thanks dude! appreciate the shout out! I really liked this video of yours. i gave over 30 years of my life to the christian religion. it was a very difficult transition from believer to agnostic athiest. I was serious when i recommended Dudeism. But, just a suggestion, take it easy man. Have a good night. @@debunkingthefundamentalist
Let's discuss Eternal Security here.
Let's say someone once truly believed OSAS, even got promises from God regarding Eternal Security, and then was really disappointed by some actions of God in his/her life and decides willingly do evil in the sight of God, seek and do orgies, and think that for he/she it is acceptable to live this way until death and suffer consequences of such actions, and after death Eternity with God is also acceptable. This one will be Saved?
All rewards will be lost if he/she got anything before such actions, or some rewards still be left for him/her?
If OSAS is a lie, then:
1) How person can be 100 % sure that he will end up in Heaven if he/she trust Jesus Christ for his/her Eternal Salvation when he/she cannot avoid sinning each day and have no idea what future will bring?
2) What requirements of obedience and faithfulness to God (how many and what kind of sins/day or sins/life is acceptable to God and what is not?)
3) Let's say he/she done orgies and then started to believe Gospel and repented and then started to live 'new life'. Then he/she is Saved? Saved means what? Saved from what? In case, later he/she end up in a Lake of Fire then why it is called Salvation if end was Doom? He/she was Child of God and God allowed to die His Child in Hell when had Power and Foreknowledge to avoid it? Is God that lose at least 1 of His children is worthy to be worshipped? Now, if he/she done that repentance+believe thing during death bed situation and after acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour instantly died then he/she would be in Heaven? So, then once U start to repent+believe it is best if someone kill U so U end up surely in Heaven?
4) Let's say obedient christian started to do orgies, and according to U he/she will be in Hell for this. It is also known that fall of christians is much worse than just regular persons and according some tales demons will torture christians more in Hell then the rest. So, if that is the case, what is the point to be Saved by Jesus Christ for unbeliever before death bed situation if he/she from that day when he/she accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour have to repent each day, sacrifice everything, and still have no Assurance of Eternal Salvation, and if fall then will be tortured even more than if he/she would never believed it?
You won't find anything, that would make you reconvert. The fact is, that the bile is full not only of historical inaccuracies, but also with international contradictions. Now reality doesn't contradict itself by definition. So when you're presented with a narrative and you want to determine if it's real, the first criteria by which to judge that is if it's internally consistent. The second is if it's consistent with what we already know about reality. If it passes these 2 criteria, then it can be considered as something, that might be true. Lastly, to be considered known, we'd need evidence for that beyond any reasonable doubt. So does the bible fit these criteria? Firstly, it's internally inconsistent. Not only does it talk about different languages before the construction of the tower of Babbel was started or how several people lived longer than 120 years in the lineage after the flood, after god'd said how people will live up to 120 years and describes 2 different ways, that Judas apparently died, but there're also different languages, dated back to long before the construction of the tower of Babbel was apparently started and we know of a French woman, who lived 122 years and 164 days. God could've easily put the number 123 years instead of 120. Finally, there isn't a single piece of evidence, that any of the important supernatural claims in the bible are true. Whenever the so called miracles get investigated, they get exposed as either misunderstandings, overexaggerations or even lies. Actually the fact, that "lying for jesus" is a thing should tell you enough.
Yeah, the most rational and reasonable position for EVERYTHING in life is to withhold belief until sufficient evidence is found and proven. So if god actually exists he expects us to go AGAINST reality.
That is largely what seems to be the case and well said. Cheers, DCF
"The Bible" (notice the quotes) is internally inconsistent if you make the assumptions of literalism and univocality. What you really have is a myriad of different authors with myriad points of view writing for completely different purposes over the course of over 1500 years.
It does not, and was never intended to, present one single narrative or point of view.
Where do you normally do your research from?
Sources can start with wiki and move to Britanica. Early Christian Writings.com, major apologists articles and debates as well as atheists--Bart Ehrman is one. Hebrew scholars. University publications. Scientific journals.Basically I take the apologist argument and then the skeptic argument and decide which makes sense for me, and mainly, is the apologist presenting evidence or just speculation. I have all sources in the descriptions of videos. Cheers, DCF
What do you mean by the atheists argument for there being no god being if you don't see it, then it is not legitimate?
Do you mean that the reason why some atheists believe that there is no god is because they don't see a god?
Largely as an unspecified theist I wouldn't try to prove what I can't see or sense. Usual basic argument largely an Ayn Rand viewpoint: A=A and not B because you want it to be. That's what an atheist would counter to my theism and he would be right. Cheers, Skeptic----- DCF
@debunkingthefundamentalist
Do you mean that the atheists believe that a person wanting something to be true does not determine whether it is true or not?
@@Skeptical_Theist Yes
If you don't believe the prophets, nothing will make you believe. If you don't accept the mountains of evidence that supports the Bible, then you need a paradigm shift.
Sure, the archaeological evidence only supports the claims that an event happened, but not that God is true.
I've been through apologetics. I recognised the 'issues' and the 'contradictions'. But are they contradictions if there's plausible explanations? Or are you rejecting the explanations based off of emotion or your idea of how the Bible should be? Because I've wrestled with these questions myself and have since put them to rest.
The greatest pieces of evidence in my opinion is the flood evidence all over the world, and some of the philosophical arguments. Intelligent Design is also one of them.
If God isn't the answer, than you have to resort to a naturalistic answer for the start of life, to which there is none. Steven Benner said the physics of this planet make it impossible for life to have begun on earth. Not only do you have to tackle physics, but if it happened on another planet, you have to contend with the incredibly low chance of the correct RNA sequences to all come together within the small time frame. You still have a series of near impossibilities to follow.
So if not theism, than what? Aliens is an ad hoc explanation. Science acts like it has it all figured out, but if you pay attention and gain a wider scope you'll see it actually hasn't. Micro evolution is clearly correct, how else can we get from 2 of every kind to the various species we have today? They are still discovering more.
Out of the religions, what really is there with substance? What other authoritative texts outside of the Abrahamic religions are there? In my opinion the only direction is the Abrahamic faiths. Judaism is obviously strictly the Old Testament, New Testament is clearly Christianity, and the Quran claims to discard both and rewrite both with it's own unique theology.
You say you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible. So then how can you possibly authenticate anything if you are not comparing the outside world against it? You have various events like Noahs flood, crossing the Red Sea, and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. All with it's own evidence. Sure, somewhat real or exaggerated events put in to a story, I get it. Just keep in mind how many coincidences there are, unless you have a public confession no evidence is 100%, it's all accumulative. You also have something called undesigned coincidences. Knowledge needed by the numerous authors that they possibly could not have had, or incredibly unlikely. You need to look at the time these things were written, and the likelihood of the knowledge needed for these apparent 'sheep herders' to write it all down.
In conclusion, statistically speaking I believe the Bible is not only true and the Word of God, but God simply cannot be false. Perhaps you should go down the free will debate road as well. A world where God exists and brings purpose to peoples lives given the fine tuning of the universe and the sheer precision of everything in it only makes it more plausible to me.
I do not care for emotional arguments. I care for logical, reasonable and rational arguments. I don't hold any ill will towards those who don't believe in God, however I do think they are either incredibly lazy on their journey through discovering God, or they are intellectually dishonest and will not accept what evidence is or what it means.
There are many people in many different scientific fields who adamantly believe in God. To say there is no rational evidence or logical answer is just pure nonsense, thus intellectually dishonest, and as the Bible says, a blindness of the heart. 'Only a fool would say there is no God', especially in todays world where information has increased, as the Bible said. Maybe Bible prophecy is something you should also dive in to.
But as Jesus said, if you don't believe the prophets, you won't believe he raised from the dead. The prophets gave prophecy, prophecy which have come true.
I haven't really seen the entire video, but I think what you're trying to say is that you cannot believe in the Bible and God because there isn't credible evidence right?
This is actually a very common thought that probably everyone has had when they came across Christianity, even Christians themselves (like me). However, what I want to tell you is that you are missing the whole point on faith. What God wants is full trust and faith in him WITHOUT definite proof and hence that's why he hasn't given this world what you seek for. You will never ever be able to find "credible evidence" or any sort of physical proof that the Bible is real and God is real because that's how God wants it to be and hence that's the reality. Also, what I want to tell you is that if your mind seeks out for inconsistencies and ways to disprove the Bible, that is exactly what you will get. The Bible may have contradictions or some mistranslations and errors, but your mindset of trying to disprove the Bible will ultimately blind you from understanding the bigger picture of the Bible and God's love.
“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29 (NIV)
You might not understand everything about God, and that's okay. Your tiny human brain is not built to comprehend even a tiny portion of how God and his kingdom operates. Your body is limited to three dimensions and time, whereas God is outside of our perception of time and he is an eternal being. Now, even this can be hard to understand in your brain and that is exactly why I would trust in God, not myself. I'm a weak and stupid human, what can I ever do without my creator, who is an all-loving and all-powerful being? How can I even try to understand his ways and his plans? He knows about me better than I know myself. Hence he is my Lord and I put my full trust into him, especially because he truly loves me (and all of you guys too).
Let's say there was actual evidence pointing towards 100% credibility of the Bible/Jesus. Then who wouldn't believe in him? Everyone would rush to kneel before God because of course, eternity in Hell is not what anyone would want. That's basically stripping away our free will, because essentially that would force us to worship him and that's not free will. However, God wants an actual connection with us through LOVE and the consequence of our free will. The whole point is to put your ego down, stop asking for "logical" and "definite" proof, and actually seek out a connection with him. It is not given to you for free - it will be given to you if you actively want it and ask for it from God. This is exactly why atheists cannot see the truth that Christians do, because they are blinded by their ego and their constant desire to have 100% evidence. This is why they will laugh at Christians for being so naive and blind, but actually it's the other way around... Surrender your life and soul to Jesus and he will bless you with amazing experiences that will be better proof than the "credible evidence" you all yearn for so much.
It all starts with one little step: giving up that desire for 100% evidence. You have to give God your faith and trust FIRST, and then he will let you see the truth. Not the other way around.
Even after reading this, you guys have free will and hence you can choose to accept it or not. It would be out of my control (or anyone's control, even God) because ultimately it is your choice. I would love to have more conversations with you guys.
Not a terrible viewpoint. I'm an unspecified theist by the way not an atheist. Cheers, DCF
@@debunkingthefundamentalist oh then what are your viewpoints on other religions that attempt on God?
None except you can't prove one over the other. All have zero evidence. Cheers, DCF
Heard of Inspiring Philosophy? The CZcams channel? I think not..... Probably too factual for you. I listened to 1.49 of your vid - too much strawman.......checked out. What do you mean by the term 'fundamentalist' anyway?
what strawmen are there? he literally said these are real things someone said to him
Here guys is someone who IS ACTUALLY DEADSET on his belief. This person looked at one minute from the video, it triggered the neural connections in his brain that makes him feel the dissonance, thus the brainns response by reminding him he’s always right because there is a youtube video that says stuff that confirms his biased ideas. “Too factual for you” is one hella thing to say when you believe in the bad people of fire (literally the result of a reaction releasing lits of energy), the good people of light (electromagnetic radiation that triggers a response in specific proteins on a human organ) and the people of dirt (who are bad people from birth but their big dad sacrificed himself like the volcano sacrifices (literally an idea famous at the time) and they just need to pick the right path (loving the dad who willingly made them bad and punishes them for it, while most of their mistakes are due to genetic and environmental factors, and the biased nature of the evolved brain itself). and of course they get punished by fire cuz FIRE SCARY and rewarded by gold cuz GOLD GOOD HEHE
I've never seen inspiring philosophy prove god or anything supernatural being true. He just regurgitates bible verses like most apologists.
@@TheTruthKiwi i just watched the ytb channel, and “too factual for you guys” is CRAZYY. No wonder if didn’t even keep my composure responding to this comment
@@beinghimself Ikr, magical superstitionists are freakin weirdos man. 😂 I totally agree with your first comment above btw. As soon as they hear anything that might challenge their beliefs a little bit they stick their fingers in their ears and start singing koombayaa. Weirdos I tell ya!