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American Reacts The Causes Of The Wars Of The Roses Explained
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- čas přidán 29. 10. 2022
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Never-ending paranoia, yes, but it starts with never-ending ambition. Glad you're covering the War of the Roses. For whatever reason, I'm mildly obsessed with it. Probably because I enjoy Shakespeare's plays on the subject - particularly the 3 Henry VI plays even though they're not usually considered among his best - and he certainly takes a LOT of liberties with history and time. But they're full of memorable scenes, characters and lines.
I went to school in Gloucestershire, England and opposite my school was the ‘bloody Meadow’ where one of the deciding battles of the war of the roses took place.
Love your enthusiasm for history. You might enjoy a BBC series from 10 years ago, 'The White Queen'. Very well acted and pretty accurate. I think I 'll be looking it out for watching again on dark winter nights. 'The Hollow Crown' was good too. All wonderfully bloodthirsty, and full of treachery and mad plotting.
For the longest time in Ottoman Empire , when the Sultan died and his successor took power , his first act would be to put to death all his male brothers and cousins and any who might challenge his right to rule . It was expected and was carried out ruthlessly all to counteract what you said Conor about fear , suspicion and paranoia.
In the Too Kapi palace in Istanbul you can still see many small coffins of siblings out to death for this reason
As you can tell from the video, the main cause is the misuse of royal patronage. From Richard II’s attainting of Henry Bolingbroke leading to the rule of Henry VI and then the latter’s own favouring of Somerset and Suffolk over York and attempts to patronise them enough that they were as rich as York himself. This continues all the way through the Wars of the Roses, Edward IV patronises the Rivers family over Warwick and Richard III patronises his buddies over the Stanleys and Staffords leading to the downfall of the House of York.
Also, yes Lieutenant’s correct pronunciation is ‘left-tenant’.
I live in Lancashire, the red rose district which was the house of lancaster 🌹. Yorkshire is the white rose.....house of york, combined it creates the tudor rose. Our northern emblems have a bit of each others rose in them.
"Leftenant" is the British pronunciation of Lieutenant.
A quick google suggests that the historical reasons for this are not really understood. It seems to be something to do with the way the original Old French was received in English. I can't find anything in particular on why Americans reverted to a more French pronunciation.
You should read or watch Shakespeare's plays on the wars, especially the cycle that goes from Richard II, Henry IV to Henry V. The BBC did an excellent TV version called 'The Hollow Crown' which I highly recommend.
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Agreed, The Hollow Crown' if you have the time?
I second this. I really enjoyed 'The Hollow Crown.' Brilliant adaptations.
Shakespeare's plays of this period. Richard II, Henry IV part 1, Henry IV part 2, Henry V, Henry VI part 1, Henry VI part 2, Henry VI part 3, Richard III.
This took us through to the end of the Wars of the Roses. When the Lancastrian heir, Henry Tudor, married Elizabeth of York, the daughter of Edward IV.
He became Henry VII, the first Tudor monarch. He combined the Red rose of Lancaster with the White rose of York to become the Tudor Rose logo.
Shakespeare also wrote a play about Henry VIII. Henry was the younger son of Henry VII and his wife Elizabeth of York. However, his elder brother Arthur (married to Katherine of Aragon) died at age 15 before their father, so Henry inherited the throne.
Henry VIII had a "Round Table" created (referencing King Arthur and his knights) which hangs on a wall in Winchester Cathedral in Hampshire. Winchester Cathedral Priory was where his elder brother Arthur had been born.
I'll check it out thanks Ian
Yes i know what you mean ,plus i try to imagine the smells of that early period .I imagine in the open the smell might be of wood fires mixed with very poor sewage facilities and of unwashed bodies if up close.I then imagine the smell indoors and the smell of the rich in their castles would perhaps be of roasting pig and a wood fire and perhaps the imported perfumes for the rich though their toilets would be just a long drop into the moat.There would be no car fume smells or smells of coffee shops etc just different smells inside and out.
When I was ten and was taught about WWI, it seemed so long ago, but was only 50 years previous, but now I look back 50 years and I was taking my driving test and it only seems like yesterday.
As a this is 'My favourite civil war' person I hope this is the start of a long series on that channel
It was Caligula the Roman Emperor who was sick for 6 months and then got better and made a citizen of Rome jump into the river
Man your channel is one of the best because you and I few the same about history. I like to try and put myself in their shoes
Although a drama, The White Queen is well worth a watch, as most of it is historically accurate, from what is known.
It is not paranoia if they are actually out to get you.
This is without doubt the most complicated series of monarchs I know of (except Japan, Japanese royal history is crazy) If there is any doubt at all about who should be king....who makes the decision. Who has the biggest army? Who has the most royal relatives? Who is descended from the highest ranking prince? Who is a better leader?
The Romans did have an awesome navy. It completely dominated their world - the Mediterranean Sea. Unfortunately, it was built for the comparatively calm waters of the Mediterranean and so the very characteristics that made it so awesome there, made it totally unsuitable for the stormy seas of the Northern Atlantic.
While thinking about the questions you have. Try to remember this is a time, for instance 1348 just prior to the great plague. The population of Britain at the time was 6 million people appx. Within 3 years nearly half were dead ! Population today 68 million.
The Game of Thrones is based on the history of England...
The Romans DID eventually get a massive navy but only after the first Punic war against The Carthaginian’s… before then they couldn’t compete at sea with them , that was the spur to get building . By the time they had defeated them Time ruled Mare Nostrum - The Mediterranean
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The Romans did have a good navy for the time. They needed it to defeat Cathage. You might want to research the Punic wars.
These were brutal , pitiless and treacherous times and life was very cheap especially if you were a mere peasant forced to join your local Lords militia to fight on one side or the other. Fascinating though.
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Henry 6th becoming evil due to his sickness like Caligula, would probably have been better than what actually happened, him becoming even more incompetent
Henry V is only seen in profile, Kevin Hicks of Historysquad does as good video of him having an arrow removed from his face. Must have been disfigured quite a lot. Royal Navy founded in 1546 by Henry VIII as a formalised military.
I live on the site of the battle where he received that wound, as a 15- year- old. I went to primary school on the road where local people dragged their bedding into the street, to lay the wounded on. It's been known ever since as "Featherbed Lane".
Simply, it was greed and power struggle amongst the royal elites and the peasants had no say or choice in the matter. A bit like today really. The first civil war in England would shape it forever.
It was Caligula . He recovered from near death and then insisted people who had offered to give their own lives to save his then follow through on their promise . This is a documented fact btw 😮
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Hey Mcjibbin, as it is the season so to speak. An interesting one may be the forgotten chinese ww2.
I come from St Albans. Please do not pronounce it that way! Listen to Dan. The same as Lieutenant is pronounced correctly by Dan. Remember, the English language in America hadn't developed much and was later simplified too.
I'm from Luton just up the road and we pronounce it Snore Bans
Your observation is rather pompous and unnecessary. He is speaking American English obviously which differs from British English so words such as lieutenant, water and many other words will be pronounced differently.
Part of the problem was that Edward 111 had several sons who survived to adulthood. Therefore, their male children who were cousins , all fought to rule the country.
Love this stuff find it fascinating.
Poitiers> p u a t i é (like in Sidney Poitier lol)
“ stuff that happened in the early 19th century seems like recent” - You are slowly turning into a real Englishman. Just keep on learning, you will get there! 😊
700 years before them England was being savaged by Viking raids and a lot of the population believed it was a punishment by god and they were living in the end of days .
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Conor , are you putting your obvious love of history to good use in an educational sense ?
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You should watch The Hollow Crown.
Joan of arc was at poitiers, when you have a minute look up her right hand man , guille de rais, interesting
You need to clarify! You make it somewhat sound like she was at that Battle, forty odd years before her birth?
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@@johnp8131 yeah sorry might have got the name wrong, it was a seige, I'll look it up
@@johnp8131seige of Orleans, my mistake
Regarding your comment about beards being a good form of protection. Very bad idea in hand-hand combat. They can be grabbed by the enemy. I believe the British Army has a ban on wearing beards unless there is a religious or medical reason to wear one. Alexander the Great banned beards for the same reason. Must have been difficult shaving in Ancient Greece - no Gillette.
Come on , a beard is no defence against a long sword in the face, now you're being silly X
They would’ve gotten a nice shave before they died 🤣
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Why? Because carnations were not available ;-) This was the swan song of the English Middle Ages. King Henry VII is the transition to early Modernity, and King Henry VIII tore down what was left of the English Middle Ages. That Joan Beaufort who married King James I of Scotland, was the granddaughter of John of Gaunt, son of King Edward III, and she was a sister of Edmund Beaufort, the Duke of Somerset in this story, and is my connection to early the English Royals.
The main cause was sean bean in a game of thrones 😂