Bloodraven: The Targaryen Who Caused The Song of Ice and Fire
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- In the Game of Thrones books, prophecy and magic are like swords without hilts. They're dangerous and unpredictable, but one such prophecy, Aegon's dream about the Long Night, has been confirmed to actually exist. Aegon was right, and the Long Night did fall over Westeros again. But the hero to put an end to the Long Night, Azor Ahai or The Prince That Was Promised, was no sure thing to Aegon's successors. In this video, I discuss a theory that Bloodraven, one of Aegon the Unworthy's bastards, not only knew about Aegon the Conqueror's dream, but manipulated the royal line of House Targaryen to result in a prophesied hero: Jon Snow. Or Daenerys?
Art that I didn't credit in the video:
Bella Bergolts - Bloodraven; Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar; Shiera Seastar; Euron Greyjoy
Chillyravenart - Aegon V; Aegon V and Betha Blackwood; Aerys II and Rhaella; Jaehaerys II and Shaera; Aemon the Dragonknight; Aegon IV; Naerys Targaryen
Mike S Miller - Illustrated all pages from the graphic novels of Dunk & Egg
Magali Villeneuve - Melissa Blackwood; Barba Bracken; Bethany Bracken; Serenei of Lys
Naomimakesart - Daemon Blackfyre
Timestamps:
0:00 - 2:12 Intro
2:12 - 6:01 Bloodraven's Origin
6:01 - 8:39 Bloodraven the War Hero
8:39 - 11:14 Hand of the King
11:14 - 18:36 Fun with Eugenics
18:36 - 21:47 Consequences of Eugenics
21:47 - 24:49 Players of the Prophecy - Starks
24:49 - 28:29 Players - Aerys/Aemon/Egg/Rhaegar
28:29 - 30:06 TL;DW
30:06 - 33:08 Last Words
#houseofthedragon #asoiaf #gameofthrones - Zábava
I just wanna know how rhaegar explained to lyanna on how he needed to cheat on his wife with a 15 year old and have a baby with her to basically save the world from monsters wielding swords made from ice
She was probably so into him anyway that he didn’t need to explain anything.
Maybe he loved her and his first marriage he married for duties
Yeah that would be a wild conversation to be a fly-on-the-wall for.
They loved each other which is why he annulled his first marriage.
She was a wild child promised to a man that disgusted her with his drunken sleeping around and then met a much better looking man that played music that made her cry with it's beauty and he was the prince I doubt telling him no was really an option even if he hadn't already won her over.
This is the guy that trained Bran and I’m supposed to believe Bran isn’t the villain now
Exactly
As villainous as Bloodraven is, I don't really see Bran as being "trained" by him, more groomed, possibly for body snatching, or some other nefarious purpose he needs Bran for. I don't think he's the type to pass the torch. He wants to be in control, forever. Bran is a means to an end.
@@reidsimpson4213 grooming training it’s the same damn thing tbh
@@OGseoulite no, it isn't. Grooming Bran in order to snatch his body is pretty different from training Bran to better understand and control his powers.
Who is the villain and who is the hero is a matter of perspective. Blood Raven did not aspire for the throne, he killed his brother but his brother was trying to take over the realm illegally, so that means he was also loyal to the crown, in the long run he fought against the night King and trained Bran to fight against the night King.
So we may not like his methods but what he did he did for the good of the realm
14:17 Not to mention skin changing into a human is extremely traumatic. Even Hodor is able to recognize when Bran tries to warg him. Maekar would definitely remember something going wrong if Bloodraven warned into him.
@@Bob-fv9vj Dragon dreams are a real thing though and daeny was just a strong dreamer.
Fun fact: Bloodraven is just a little bit older than the record for the oldest person in real life. She was 122, he's 125
Bloodraven was playing the game with both all the answers of both past and present and the ability to subtly change outcomes he doesn’t likes, and that not even mentioning his opinion of himself has gotten to the point that he knows what best for the realm even if it causes untold amounts of misery to thousands so long as he wins. His half-brother BitterSteel accused him of being a witch for the usage of magic and as his life went on he prove him right and he turn to be far worse than what he could possibly imagined.
Bittersteel was bad ass! Long live the Black Dragon!
I don't think he manipulate the present seeing the future I think he influence in the past changing events that will happend in the future
@@desaadd 🤯
Why was Bittersteel so upset abt Bloodraven being a witch when Sierra was one as well? It didn't stop his interest of her.
@@williamgunderson7365Bittersteel was a salty boy and bitter that the gorgeous Shiera Seastar preferred Bloodraven to him.
Eat your heart out bitter boy 😂
My God...this was incredible writing on George R.R. Martin's part. It's one thing to be well-researched in history in order to write this series, but this writing is on another level entirely.
I don't know how he can be so slept on as a writer. The show gave him a bad name. Is genius level.
I feel He ripped most His ideas from Tolkien and Herbert
building a genealogy doesn't equate to good writing, but in this case, his story is quite good.
@@stevenguevara2184t's inspiration. It's basically the war of the roses with more sex and incest (or maybe not enough) 😂
I could probably do it too if i had a decade between books
Jon weilding Dark sister would be the stuff of legends.
Cept he already has a Valyrian steel sword.
@@philippeblais8594 Maybe Ser Jorah will regain his honor as a knight and reclaim his family's ancestral sword, and at some point Bran and/or Bloodraven will bestow dark sister upon Jon after he learns his true lineage.
How it would actually happen is beyond me, but it's fun to think about. We know Bloodraven took the sword with him, so he must have it laid by.
Unless Blackfyre makes an appearance, this seems the most likely possibility. George will probably surprise us all though.
I think we’re gonna get some of our answers in the Jon Snow show. I think Jon is gonna discover Dark Sister in Bloodraven’s cave in the far North. Arya will discover the prophecy on the dagger and return it to Jon. Somewhere along the way, she will lose or break Needle. So Jon being the coolest big brother in the show/books will replace his favorite sister’s first gift from him with a new Valyrian steel sword that’s aptly named Dark Sister. Arya is meant to wield that sword. Plus it’s not a great sword or bastard blade. Just a standard long sword (smaller than the others). Perfect for Arya.
@lordsmoke317 sounds better then my theory
@@lordsmoke317 In the books I think Bran and Meera are going to take Dark Sister when they leave the Three Eyed Crow’s cave and either give it to Jon or Dany. The Golden Company probably posses Blackfyre and have given it to Aegon VI, further proving his supposed legitimacy to the rest of Westeros and deposing the Lannister-Baratheons. Something will go wrong though and Jon will probably end up with Blackfyre, but it’s unclear.
Given how Bran Stark turns out, I feel like Bloodraven left his responsibility to a straight-up creep. Also, Jon Snow was meant to kill Daenarys. But not at King's Landing, after she had gone insane, and killed thousands of people for no good reason. Rather, he was supposed to kill her as the only means to stop The Long Winter from coming again, during the fight with the Wight Walkers.
But the show, as we all know now, was completely bastardized by two lazy dingos, who just wanted to move on to other creative things rather than end the show the way that it was supposed to end. They could have easily dedicated 2 or 3 more seasons to the "War of Winter" plotline, but they didn't care. They had George RR Martin's outline for how the books would end, and basically took the laziest possible route to writing out that conclusion.
George RR Martin, I think, realizes this mistake, and is desperately trying to fix his books, so that they don't end up the same way that the show did, because he's seen how the fans reacted to the show. That's why I think "The Winds of Winter" is taking forever to get to us.
I hope that's the case
He claims to remain insulated from fan theories and stuff, but i can’t imagine he wasn’t affected by the outcry from fans over the shows ending.
They could definitely have used more seasons. I don't think there needs to be any extenuating factors for the book to take 12 years though - the current draft is longer than the whole lord of the rings trilogy. It took Tolkien 11 years to write that.
Good work takes time, especially when it's this complicated!
I don't think George RR Martin would give up on his creative vision just because the fans didn't like it.
He's rich now and has 'Fuck You' money😂
Also if you read any of his previous books you'd see that King Bran is not an unlikely endgame.
He has a thing for Hive-Minds taking over and that is what Bran would be, the Hive-Mind of the Children of the Forest.
When you said Jon was supposed to kill Dany not in king's landing for useless reasons but while the fight with white walkers takes place. what did you mean? Why would Jon kill the azor ahai? Isn't she going to defeat walkers? How would her death positively influence the prevention of another long night? Please explain
It makes sense that Aegon told Torrhen: the Targaryens never meddled with the North, though the North always remained loyal to House Targaryen. Aegon knew Torrhen and the Starks were the first line of defence against the Others. Note that Jaehaerys and Alysanne were the ones who reinforced, supported and provided for the Night’s Watch as something more than a dumping-ground for younger sons and criminals.
It’s interesting how Bloodraven was the one called kinslayer when it was Daemon Blackfyre, who started the rebellion that would’ve ended in the death of at least one of his brothers. Had Daemon won the war would he receive the same monicker?
maybe but as you know history is written by the victors so they would have tried to make him rightous in what he did
@@mehmetcetin9570so why is bloodraven and Jamie mocked with their monicker
@@rear9259 For Jaime propably because everyone in the crownlands hated the Lannisters at that point because of the sack and that the 'crime' was severe, since he broke the Kingsguard oath. So he was an Oathbreaker and a Kingslayer, two crimes which are normally met with hard punishments in westeros. He was lucky that Tywin was there with his army that was NOT exhausted. As for Bloodraven, since there were speculations that he used magic and that he was a skinchanger, the faith potenially spread the rumor that he is a dishonorable piece of **** and a kinslayer.
Azor Ahai is most likely to be Daenerys as she brought dragons back into existence and quite literally paralleled Azor Ahai with Nissa Nissa (Drogo is Nissa and Drogon is lightbringer). Her brother believed his seed with a Stark girl would create the prophesized prince but it’s clear if you look through the text who the song is about. The first book begins with the Others (the Ice) and ends with Dany and the birth of her dragons (Fire). The Azor Ahai prophecy is also Essosi, not Westerosi. Dany’s entire arc so far has been rooted in Essosi culture. Plus, you can’t get much more ironic than having Daenerys complete the prophecy in book one before it was ever mentioned by Melisandre in book 3 (i believe). It just makes the most sense while also subverting expectations because everyone thinks it’s Jon.
i know this comment is old lol but i agree about the subverted expectations 100%. the only thing is that I don’t think dany is fleshed out enough as a character to be AA like she’s just a weird vehicle for GRR’s weird fantasies. her chapters are so bad imo
@@biancafloDany's chapters are amazing
@biancaflo her chapters are bad?💀💀💀💀💀, her chapters are literally the only chapters that won GRRM an award.
I think Bloodraven loved Daemon Blackfyre but they chose to fight for different sides. He said he had a brother he loved a brother he hated and a woman he desired. They must have loved each other as brothers but duty is the death of love. And then we got Bittersteel and Shiera probably adding conflict between them
It really could go either way between Daemon and Daeron. We know that Daeron got along well with Bloodraven's mother, so that does support Daeron and Bloodraven being close. But I do love the idea that it was Daemon in particular who Bloodraven loved, but just couldn't support his rebellion. It would really make for a great series on HBO.
@@CrusaderChris it would definitely add tragedy to both of them and some of that juicy drama for a TV show
@@isabellajensen9480 Another thing to consider is that Daeron was about 20 years older than Brynden, making him more like a father figure that he desperately needed (since Aegon IV was a doofus). Also, Bloodraven seemed super eager to kill Daemon and three of his sons, and his entire Blackfyre family, so there just doesn't seem like there could be a loving relationship there. Unless they used to be close, and then had a falling out. I'd love if George ever confirmed this.
@@CrusaderChris it makes sense that he would look to Daeron as a father figure, that's probably why he was loyal to the Targaryens. The falling out with Daemon would be interesting tho, like the relationship between Alicent and Rhaenyra in the show
@@CrusaderChris Aegon VI also seemed to favour Daemon while Daeron favoured Brynden. Maybe they actually had a brotherly relationship but Aegon and Daeron turned them against each other. They both got the Valyrian swords and all
I had always believed since show ended in that horrible way that if it was George RR Martin’s intention for bran to be on the throne, it would not be bran it would be blood Raven worging through bran
I bet Aegon and Bloodraven felt really dumb when the Prince that Was Promissed just stayed reeing at a dragon during the battle for the entire world
I didn't fail to notice that the prince that was promised had an albino red-eyed dire wolf next to him
Dany is azor ahi she woke dragons from stone, but I don't believe azor ahi is actually a hero. The first one used blood sacrifice to create lightbringer. Killed his own wife that's not a hero. Dany used blood sacrifice to wake her dragons. I can't wait for winds.
I don't think Daemon Blackfyre was a "war hungry tyrant" he was a pretty honourable dude and only took up arms at the behest of all the lords and ladies that wanted a rebellion with him as their leader. We don't even know the full story yet until Fire and Blood II, I suspect he is going to be quite a sympathetic character with a little more depth than just a tyrant. Great video tho
You'd think there would be doomsday preppers in the asoiaf universe. Everyone lives with a cultural memory if a generations long winter and not a single person is preparing for it.
All the nobles, particularly in the north, do prepare for it, but there was that whole War of the 5 kings that messed up the prepping and killed many of the people who would be doing said prepping, namely the peasants who marched with Robb
In the south winters aren't that bad and nobody believes in the white walkers anymore
This has to do with the great empire of the dawn. All the eye colors are related to the emperors of yiti. blue green red purple amethyst ruby sapphire and emerald it has to do with the blood betrayal.
Loved that dream sequence so much, her ancestors were basically saying pls learn from our mistakes, everyone else keeps forgetting smh
Is it likely that before blood raven the masters manipulated the realm and he became what he was as a counterbalance to ensure no more meddling in the line of succession?
I think that people give the maesters far too much credit 😅 Remember they supposedly hate magic, so their planning is on a smaller scale than a guy like Blood-raven
@@williamgunderson7365 on yes, no comparison. But hey they lost all their dragons due to old Town influences. After bloodraven their schemes kind of whither away
This could also be the reason there 'must always be a Stark in Wintetfell.'
Ur Explanations to this theory just gave me chills
Perfection
I do believe Brynden crafted the bloodline to get to Jon and/or Dani to be Azor. However, it begs the question why was he interested in Bran at all? I believe he killed off Bran with the Jojen paste & abomination warging, and now BloodRaven possesses Bran's body so he can finally leave the northern werewood taking all the knowledge with him.
This was brilliant mate, really well done, keep up the great work 👍🇮🇪
To be honest, if Bloodraven was behind or had any influence on the Tragedy of Summerhall... I feel he definitely went overboard with it. Now we've got one, maybe 2 Targaryens left, and I guess you can argue 3 if Young Griff is a Targaryen and not the son of a female of the Blackfyre line.
I mean, for real, wouldn't he be able to make sure Rhaegar and then his kids and all that were still born with the proper eugenics he had planned? Why kill off the rest of the family and endanger their house in such a way?.
If "The Ends justify the Means", then well, the Ends must not be all that important cause I'd rather more Targaryens and Dragons around than not. If he was behind Dany managing to figure out the Dragon-hatching recipe, well... why not still do that with her or another Targaryen with more around, and maybe look for Stone Dragon Eggs on Dragonstone, cause I'm sure there's at least a few there
Yeah I doubt (and hope not) that Bloodraven had anything to do with Dany’s eggs. Like I said in the video, he’s not a complete puppet master. Regarding Rhaegar, Bloodraven (while still Hand of the King) would have seen Aegon V as the best chance to infuse the royal line with northern DNA since Egg already fell in love with Betha Blackwood. Bloodraven had no way of knowing when exactly the Long Night would fall, so best to put all his eggs into Egg’s basket while he could rather than wait and try to manipulate Egg’s kids.
Who knows, though. Lots of possibilities, which is why I love the asoiaf world so much. Bloodraven could be responsible for all of it, or none of it, or some of it. Theorizing just makes it better.
Also Bloodraven loved his family, or at least his brother and half sister (maybe too much) him being so hard on tbe Blackfyre Rebellions seemingly was to protect them. Plus Egg probably caused it, there is a lot of mystery about what happemed at Summerhaul, it was kept hush hush. We know wildfire was involved and Duncan had a dream about Egg and him drowning in sand which convienently enough is the safety measure in Kingslanding against wildfire. Also I suspect when Aemon said better men than Stannis have done far worse he was reffering to Aegon aka Egg. Bloodraven has pretty much only been shown protecting the Targaryens and in his eyes the realm, saying himself before he was exiled that he sacrificed his honour to do so.
In the books as opposed to the show, could Young Griff be Dany’s final target and reason for torching KL instead of Cersei? And since we assume he may actually be a Blackfyre (we know Bloodraven hates them), could Bloodraven be the reason for Dany’s descent into madness and he manipulates her to destroy Young Griff and KL instead of just “the bells”? Maybe he’s gonna give her dragon dreams that pushes her to insanity, forcing Jon to kill her, and thus clearing the way for him to assume the throne through Bran. BR (through manipulation of Euron, Bran, & Dany) may actually be the primary villain of this story. And a Time for Wolves is gonna tell the story of how the Starks (Jon will have to choose between Stark & Targ) will have to unite to stop this rogue Targaryen sorcere who has skin changed into their brother Bran.
@@lordsmoke317 to be fair, it conflicts with some of his previous acts like making sure Jon was lord commander and his depiction in the Blackfyre rebellion. He was fiercely loyal to family and because he was legitimised he could've caused there deaths as opposed to ruthlessly hunting all threats and helping Duncan save Aegon in The Mystery Knight while disguised as Maynard Plumm. Also I believe Aegon V caused Summerhall in an attempt to bring back Dragons as implied by Aemon who said dreams of Dragons killed all his brothers. Furthermore we know he was experimenting with wildfire.
I think Summerhall was Aegon’s mistake first and foremost. It’s just another way for GRRM to show that although prophecies carry weight they are dangerous
Just discovered ur channel.. BRILLIANT!
So much awesome lore!! Love it! Can wait to live enough to see all of this adapted, hopefuly as good as HotD!!
there is so much backstory to get into. HBO could keep this going for decades
Letting Arya be the one to kill the night king as to be one of the biggest let downs in TV history, was so underwhelming lol
Facts should've been jon
And Bloodraven still has Dark Sister lying around somewhere... I hope in the books Jon will get the sword. So Aegons steel and aegons blood slays the Night King.
lovin' this. i haven't read any of the Dunk'n'egg stories yet but it was really good having you tell the bloodraveny details
I like how the Dream of Spring cover says "Gerorge RR Martin" Hopefully he writes faster 🤣
Thank you for the video! i appreciate you explaining GOT lore :)
Bloodraven is my favorite mystery character. I got his back. He's my boi!!!
I honestly think that everything was indeed orchestrated by the 3EC but not Bloodraven. He was just another pawn of the upcoming one that is, will and was(?) Bran Stark just as the Ghost of High Heart. Those two albinos were just instruments.
That was the ending that GRRM told to D&D just that they didn't know how to pull that off and that's why Bran end up like the ultimate "ruler" of Westeros.
That is just fascinating, thank you.
Its even better to think that they didnt plot their bloodline for one, but for 2 people
Not only Jon, the targ warg dragon rider - but also Dany, who was able to bring the dragons even back
Very close to InDeepGeek video. Glad you're giving the artists credit
Nice video! I enjoyed it very much.
haha, thanks for the shout out! just found your channel and I'm enjoying the content! watched the Robbs Will video last night 👍
Wow I appreciate that! Means a lot coming from you!
@@CrusaderChris anytime YT recommends a new Ice and Fire channel I have to hesitate... like OH BOY WHO'S THIS NEWBIE hahahaha... but I was new once and it took me a long time get where I am. Your videos are looking pro right out of the gate, I'm impressed! I also tend to go for the magic and symbolism side of the story, of the character conflict side of the story-telling, so I always appreciate people who are really into following all the little details of the plot to put together a picture that is hidden, like the Robb's will thing. Cheers!
Awesome video! Seriously well done. Loved it
I appreciate that, thank you
I have heard a lot of Bloodraven theories but this one makes more since than any of them. Keep up the good work🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love thw way George R.R Martin's 💙 books and the characters he has to work with in the varios realms and kingdoms. I would love to see it on HBO again I have read all the books, including Blood and Fire...still waiting for The Winds of Winter...as I am over 70 years now I hope it will be forthcoming before I pass on to the other side! I am pretty sure that our Creator is also waiting for the book as he loves creative people and I pretty sure he's enjoying everything that has been written so far...and knows the best is yet to come forth from Martin's writing on the subject! I love the books as well as what HBO has done with the books. Thanks Mr. Martin and HBO!!
Amazing Theory I think you got this one 100 percent right
U got a like and sub from me mate. Especially because you included David Lightbringer
And 💯% agree with all, I hope they make a series of Blood Raven.
Very nice, 1 of the best explain videos of The Prophecy and Blood Raven I have seen. TX 😉👍
Glad to see I’m not the only one who made a Bloodraven cosplay in Elden Ring. I ended up using Rogier’s Rapier as the closest thing I could find to matching Dark Sister.
When George says brandon will be king I might say he means King of Dreams or something that form. Because him beeing king of the Iron throne isn't something I belief at all.
Love your disclaimer ❤😂
Great video.
It would be amazing to see/play a game based on these novels in a similar mode like 'the Witcher'.
Great video, bloodraven was always my favorite
“Today, let’s talk about an age-old holiday topic… eugenics.” Lmao!
GREAT VIDEO BROTHER! ALL MEN MUST SERVE
There’s just too much in the story for it to end smoothly. It’s like GRRM is playing chess with 3 sets of pieces on one board
Banger vid
Might be featured in Hotd bc it's said that it will tell the story of the HOUSE, not only the dance of dragons.
MAYBE we can hope for some Blackfire Content "already" in this series
25:51 Romesh Ranganathan taught him the ways of the leaf and balloon.
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I love this video. It is 100% getting used as a citation soon.
Bloodraven is prolly one of my most favourite characters in ASOIAF
Crazy to be labeled a kinslayer when the kin you're fighting are trying to overthrow the king. Same applies to Jamie. I'll never understand why Jamie didn't tell people The mad Kings plan. They could have easily found the caches of wildfire.
Love the disclaimer
When you first starting started telling this I thought, No, he's reaching here. You've made a solid case here and Blood Raven does seem to be the one who would have made these moments happen.
him having something to do with 9 heirs deaths before Egg became king is an incredible reach tho.
I imagine that the sister tells ned about her kid and he ends up joining the other side. It would be chaos
Blood Raven caused the downfall of the Targaryens because he stole- sorry, “borrowed” any and all artifacts that weren’t nailed down. It annoyed his battle brothers a great deal
I keep seeing it called Aegons prophecy. But since it was written on the dagger, which is Valyrian, wouldn't that mean the prophecy was hella old since only old Valyrian magic could forge Valryian steele?
According to showrunner Ryan Condal, Aegon only imbued the Valyrian glyphs into the steel. He didn’t forge the dagger itself. While that ability had been lost, there are still a few skilled smiths who can re-work Valyrian steel that has already been forged, like how Tywin has Ice reforged into two smaller Valyrian steel swords: Oathkeeper and Widows Wail.
@@CrusaderChris thanks for the response! Yeah, I did think of Ice being reforged, just was wondering if they did confirm Aegon himself wrote the prophecy too. Thank ya!
I wish they would just bring Dany back and oh how I wish we could see Lady Stoneheart!
Also Jon Snow bloodline has Martell, Arryn, Blackwood, and Dayne which links all the magical bloodlines together
Obv stark and Targaryen are also magical
@@desaadd obv
@desaad3270 but it's more to it than just targaryen and north blood because there's been a few of those and none of them were special like Jon and Dany
@@desaadd Blackwoods clearly got some magic otherwise Bloodraven wouldn't have been a greenseer
@@J10005 i know blackwoods are the ones that gave that power to the start
From my perspective, Bloodraven doesn't even look evil. Good vs evil is more relative than good vs bad: it depends on circumstances, the moral norms of society etc. And here we are talking about men, who grew and lived in a world, where people were murdering each other in hundreds and thousands for greed, power, passions and just pleasure. Bloodraven, at least, had a good reasons (at least from his perspective) and confined himself to members of certain family. It also looks like he viewed Targaryens not as rulers by some divine right, but more as servants of humanity: their job is what matters, not their lives. And he lived by the same rules, I think that his cruelty to himself by far surpassed his cruelty to others.
Aegon the unworthy giving barbas teats to Mellisa Blackwood and calling em Mellisa’s teats because Barba Blackwood made fun of the size of Mellisa’s jugs is a bad ass move.
I surprise you don't mention the possibility of Sheira Seastar working with Blood Raven. If she is Quaithe, then she at some point got her hands on a glass candle and it wouldn't be beyond her ability to use the glass candle to enter the thoughts and dreams of others. She could've easily drove Aerion mad and caused him to think drinking wildfire will make him a dragon and she could've done something to Rhaegel to make him eat and choke on pie.
So, to make the prophecy happen, you actually need to work for it to happen . I'm wondering if Bloodraven thought that it could be possible by his actions "the prince who was promised" might never be able to exist. It might turn out that because of bloodraven, there is no" prince that was promised" or instead a few of them. For all we know, Aegon Targaryen aka Young Griff, Daenerys and Jon could all of them be the prince of the prophecy.
I like the idea that the three heads of the dragon are/will be Dany, Jon, and Aegon. I've always wondered if Dany's dragon's names are intentionally similar to the names of the three conquerors. Rhaegal = Rhaenys, Drogon = Aegon, and Viserion = Visenya. If so then Dany being the rider of Drogon would point to her being Aegon reborn, and depending on which dragons Jon and Aegon claim they would be the second comings of Visenya and Rhaenys.
Though it is confusing which dragon is meant to be which sister. If you go by names then it's obvious, but if you consider Visenya and Rhaenys' own dragons colourations it's the opposite, Viserion is a cream and gold dragon, but Visenya had a green dragon, and Rhaenys' dragon was silver with gold eyes, whereas Rhaegal is Green. Perhaps, if this is even a possible theory, it is meant to be muddy.
Aegon has been raised from birth to be a good king. His nature does not seem to be close to that of Visenya's, as the story is now. This could of course change, but if we consider Jon's less honorable actions near the end of the currently released books, him dying and potentially being revived could result in him becoming crueller or more hardened, and the possibility that Bran could bring him Dark Sister, Visenya's sword, then perhaps he is Visenya reborn and Aegon is Rhaenys.
That makes me wonder who in this scenario is Azor Ahai and who could be Nissa Nissa. Personally I don't think Aegon is either. If he is supposed to represent Rhaenys then he would be the first to die alongside his dragon. And whilst most assume that Aegon reborn will be Azor Ahai, and I personally prefer Dany as TPTWP, could it be that Visenya, aka Jon, is AA and Aegon, aka Dany, is Nissa Nissa? You point out in this video that the OG Azor Ahai is painted as honorable for his sacrificeing Nissa Nissa, but really is it not NN, who chose to sacrifice herself, true "hero" of the story?
Anyways basically I believe that Aegon (son of Rhaegar) is Rhaenys, Dany is Aegon (the conqeror) and Jon is Visenya, and that Jon and Dany have a 50/50 chance of being AA or NN, if this theory has any weight to it. But I could be discounted Aegon a lil cause he a) might be a Blackfyre, and b) I have consumed less media about him then I have Jon and Dany. It would be very ironic if he turned out to be TPTWP.
Amazing job and great content. I looked and thought you should have way more subscribers so I smashed the add and like
God bless and Merry Christmas
I appreciate that, thank you. Merry Christmas!
Sir Gaiwain and the Green Knight
First time coming across your channel. 👏🏽👏🏽 shoutout to David Lightbringer and In Deep Geek (#BlameBloodRaven) !
Super enjoyable! Subbed!
Hey I think I’ve seen you in some of David’s streams! I’m not much of a chatter, but I definitely recognize your name. Thanks for the kind words!
@@CrusaderChris 🥰 I love it! I think I recognize you, or at least notice when you do peek around. Happy to see more ASOIAF content out here 😁!
I want a young Blood Raven limited tv series and I want him played by Jamie Campbell-Bower 😭
he will be in dunk and egg tv series that has already been announced
This theory make so much sense.
IIRC, there was no Bloodraven character when George wrote The Hedge Knight, not even as a concept in his mind. So, at least initially, there's no way he had anything to do with Baelor Breakspear's death. GRRM is great at retcon though...
In my opinion rhaegar was the prince who was promised because his song was ice & fire aka jon snow
LMAO at 4:49 I thought you were going to say the shape of Dorn
10:07 that was the blade that Arya used to kill the night king, isn't it? but Arya is half a Stark & half a Tully. I wonder if the house of dragons writers will manage to fix that plot hole somehow or will they just ignore it at all.
Ignor it, it has nothing to do with "A song of Ice and fier"
i’m watching about 3 mins in and it dawns on me… i know bastards are contesters to the throne but like they definitely didn’t hate them as much as the “modern” day in westoros and i wonder if it’s because of what happened in this day and age
Interesting that you mention perhaps Jace mentions the dream to Cregan Stark. Perhaps THAT’s the true birth of “The North Remembers”
What do you think of what viserys said in house of the dragon, that Aegon the conqueror cut down all the weirdwoods that he could or in kingslanding (doesn't this destroy the magic or the possibility for three eyed raven to see?) I mean maybe Aegon wanted to destroy his magic in that place for the future idk but when I heard that I though it was strange they said that in the show Aegon I obv had reasons to do that but they are a mystery
Wasn‘t it the first men or andals destroying those trees
Sounds like Bloodraven understood the assignment and had the answer for the trolley problem for the greater good.
Ive always though this is exactly the case. To be honest, i hope it is. If so, House of the Dragon could actually give us fans a little more reasoning as to why everything happened the way it did.
Would you guys be more interested in a Aegon the Conqueror series, a Roberts Rebellion series, or a Black fire rebellion series? I'd prefer a Blackfire story personally.
If I had to pick I'd go with Roberts Rebellion but I'll take any SOIF media they give us lol
Oh man, this video just reminded me how we will probably see the death of Rhaenys and Jace in season two. 😩
Is there somewhere where I can get the images of the family tree connections on this video??? Great imagery.
Do you mean the individual portraits or the family tree itself? I made the tree myself, but can give you a download link if you want.
@@CrusaderChris thank you 🙏💯
@@CrusaderChris the tree, thnx 🙏🙏
@@xandermarley8552 imgur.com/a/dOKRfDF
Watch the Night King comeback in the Jon Snow series. Since there was no Targaryen on the throne, meant he never really died. Although he looked pretty dead lol.
There's a theory that bloodraven has possessed bran which means technically there is a targaryen on the throne.
I think he sounds like a dope character and he gives me Swain (League of Legends) vibes, who Swain might even be inspired by.
This is pretty convincing. Great video
Do you think he got himself sent to The Wall on purpose? So he could better fight the coming Long Night, and help the coming Prince that was Promised defeat the Long Night?
I wonder what Bloodraven must planning to do to Faegon 🤣
The eugenics disclaimer caught me off guard lol
Introducing the Blood Raven can warg into people from the past and future plot line in the shows, really muddied the theory waters, I've gotta say.
There's no way GRRM is going to justify Bloodraven's heinous actions. Bloodraven likely more or less created the monster that Euron Greyjoy became by diving into the dreams of thousands of children to find greenseers and Euron is going to perform massive blood sacrifice to become a Lovecraftian god in Winds.
You cannot know that the good ends you intend are going to happen when you commit to evil means. Bloodraven destroyed the minds of thousands of children (Bran sees the skeletons of thousands of dead dreamers in his dreams), killed his own family almost to extinction, and manipulated the lives of countless people with his spying all to save the world. All of that only for one of the kids he manipulated to go absolutely insane and cause a completely different apocalypse that nobody expected.
3:25, yes
For anime Nerds: Blood Raven is Essentially the same as Eren
Guiding people through time before he actually knows about it.
I never understood this blood raven thing.. if there is a prophecy of a savior prince 300 years ago wouldn't it happen naturally and organicly with out manipulation of the blood Line since it was prophesied
It's what I believe too. I hate this ''Bloodraven caused everything'' theory.