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The Hero's Journey: The Album Flow of Oasis, Stone Roses, Jeff Buckley & The Darkness Analyzed
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2022
- Why do some albums move us deeply, while others just feel like a disconnected compilation of songs? Why do some albums speak to us in some way we can't quite define, while others seems flat and uninspiring? Join me to hear my theory on album sequencing
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Many thanks, JH.
To Pimp A Butterfly is a classic example of the heroes journey in rap music and the way its so seamlessly weaved into real events in his life is amazing and why its a classic album.
Thanks, James. I'm yet again loving another of your videos. Have you considered reaching out to Juston Hawkins on CZcams? A collaboration would probably bring down the internet, ha. Also, thanks for letting me know about what happened to the Inner Circle. I did wonder why you weren't getting my monthly payments. But I will check out your EPs (buy them.) And congratulations on the upcoming album - which I'm sure will be as thoroughly entertaining as your video content :)
Cheers Lee
Yeah I closed it down a while back, just had too much on my plate. I did try to message everyone and let them know that I was closing it down, but some people didn't get the message sadly. Thanks for your comments - and yeah I can't wait to have the album finished! Should be epic :)
Prog Rock is pretty much the genre that really did put a lot of thought into album sequencing. More than any other genre I would say.
hard to believe Permission to Land is almost 20 years old... it felt like rock music was gone from the mainstream when it was released, then within 2 years, legacy bands from the 70's and 80's were selling out arenas again. we need another album like this.
It is a damn good album :)
Sooo glad you mentioned The Darkness. Such a perfect album that flows so well and has some proper bangers.
Very interesting, seems similar to the theories of Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey structure.
I think it is that, yes.
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard Jordan Peterson make reference to such a structure.
Dear Stone Roses fans who keep correcting me...
I KNOW 'Elizabeth My Dear' is an anti-monarchy song. But as I say several times in the video, I am MAKING UP A STORY to link the tracks (basically to show how the tracklisting of these albums follow a literary device called the Hero's Journey).
I also know there are some forwards bits overdubbed onto 'Dont Stop'. But thankyou for your usual list of irritating corrections.
Only the obsessive wing of the Stone Roses fanbase can be this annoying.
Go get a girlfriend or something
Great video! Thanks James. With this in mind... I'm going to dive into Mellon Collie and the infinite sadness by Smashing Pumpkins.... I'll be back in ten years when I've figured it out! :P
VERY interesting idea - great album too
Brilliant video James, do you think the The La’s album follows a similar pattern? I’ve always wonder what the last song Looking Glass was about
Hey TJB - Not sure, but I do love that album!
Yeah I'd love to be able to ask Lee about Looking Glass one day. Great tune.
Really like what you’re doing, James.
The album story shape & track sequencing is often there.
Many Bowie albums, Genesis, early Queen, Eno even, though probably not on the Ramones.
Great choices James. "Permission to Land" doesn't get enough credit. It's flawless and probably the best British rock album since 2000 for me.
I love that album. It's mega
Hey James, this was your first video that moved me to comment and say thank you for your content. I’m putting together an album right now and this exploration of some of my favourite albums was thoroughly enjoyable. A quick question for you, how much might someone expect a day of recording at Rockfield to cost? Love the photo of you with the wonder wall mic 🎙🤩
Interesting stuff thanks James. Btw that's Dan Hawkins at 12:55 not Justin.
Is it? Ha. Oops. They look exactly the same to me hahahaha
James I have wondered WHY alot.. Cheers for looking at this phenomenon. 📺🤝🏼
Once again, great work!
A few randomish points that popped into my head while watching:
1) Is don't stop really waterfall played backwards? For some reason that blew me away!
2) The Darkness have done well to be considered a classic and on a par with three incredible albums. Although I do love Take your hands off my woman.
3)I know it was just a story to convey the arc of the Hero's Journey but maybe the female drummer is actually an analogy for the relationship between the band and John Squire?!
4) Please, PLEASE, get Melissa Lim on your channel if at all possible. That would probably break the Oasis section of the internet...
5)Exciting news about the album.
Hey Sleepy
Re Melissa L - I've tried! She won't talk to anyone about Noel though unfortunately
I'd love to chat with her, but I don't think she's interested, sadly
Re the Darkness - I bloody love that album hahahahahaha
It's obviously a comedic escapade, and while not as mindblowing as WTSMG, I do think it's a classic!
Maybe I should rock a skin-tight catsuit and get my chest hair out...
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar Such a shame about Melissa. It would be amazing to hear what she has to say, especially if the whole album actually is about her. That must be mind blowing for her!
As long as you give us fair warning on the catsuit...
I was woken up one year by the Darkness at Glastonbury. My tent was nicely pitched very close to the main stage and they were first on on one of the mornings. I remember being woken up by some old school rock stylings and crawling out the front of my tent to see what was going on. It was actually a great show, very entertaining!
When you look at the lyrics of She Bangs The Drum strikes me they taking about the Manchester music scene, and them coming on to the scene to take over especially that first verse
Maybe the "And Spiral" was a sky dig at the Inspiral Carpets
So the She is probably 'Manchester'
I don't think many Women would want to drag up a short lived fling 26 years later .I'm guessing there are 100s of Women telling their husbands they once gobbled off Liam or Noel in the 90s🤣
I think the Melissa Lim influence is widely overrated .Think the fact ,'Talk Tonight' was Noel's most personal song and he said it was about that meeting that he actually felt something more .. She's hardly Noel's Pattie Boyd
Great video James! Will you make a review/a video about the 3rd (maybe last) LG album? Would like to hear your thoughts on it.
13:02 That's Dan, isn't it?
Brilliant video! Well done! I've always thought 10 songs were the perfect album length. Would be fun to do a video like this on Dark Side of the Moon.
Yes that's Dan Hawkins, with a can of limited edition "Bells End" Darkness signature brew.
Your videos are so well made and thought out
Flipping amazing James, thank you!
You're very welcome :)
Great video, This structure works really well with AC/DC's Highway to He'll.
Interesting! May have to investigate that
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar Sgt Pepper as well. Get by with a little help - introduction. Lucy in the Sky, deeper relationship. Etc. Fits like a glove.
amazing video, the album as opposed to ep sounds like a great plan as well 🤙
Looking forward to the album being finished. please make sure that it will be available for people in the US (and other countries) to buy. Another super interesting video. Thanks. Peace.
Cheers, I'll do my best!
Looking at using a top level international distributor, so I can't see there being any problems re the global shipping :)
I call it "the X factor." Some bands just possess innumerable talent that just seems to melt into the form of music. The form is put onto record, and the record is near flawless. I can't really explain it further, but such examples would be:
Revolver by The Beatles
Nevermind by Nirvana
(What's the Story) Morning Glory by Oasis
The Stone Roses
Unknown Pleasures by Joy Division
Grace by Jeff Buckley
Loveless by My Bloody Valentine
I love these videos and the ‘theories’ behind the songs and the track sequencing. would love for an artist to confirm them to be true (with the exception of Jeff for obvious reasons)
Absolutely brilliant and interesting video again!
Glad you enjoyed it
Not really seeing a lot of these comparisons or interpretations but, fair enough. It is whatever you think it is in many ways.
Jeff Buckley truly would of been one of the greatest if only he'd of learned to fucking swim
Too soon....
New vid?
[*drops everything immediately]
Hahahahahahahaha that made me laugh
Enjoy!
I think you’re looking for patterns where none exist, or at least where they are less precise than you’re making out.
I mean, it’s very obvious what ‘Elizabeth My Dear’ is about. It’s an anti-monarchy song. It’s also part of an album that features lemons and the French flag on the cover, both of which symbolise the revolutionary circumstances of the 1968 French uprising.
How you missed that is beyond me. Did you really not know?
Can't wait for the album. I will definitely get it on vinyl
A recent example of this is Blur's The Ballad of Darren I'm pretty sure
James on Vinyl… This is big news, I can not wait for this… get in there son
Thanks TFR! I can't wait either! Got to finish recording the songs first tho haha
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar you going back to Rockfield or do you fancy a bit of Monnow Valley. There’s definitely a great photo opportunity at Monnow (Supersonic EP) 😉
love your music!! rock n roll cannot die
Onwards and upwards :)
Thanks, I never thought of this before.
Don't know why but I would love to hear you analyze Queen's Made in Heaven album (1995).
I love Queen. Outstanding band
Grace is my favourite album. In this interpretation, Black Beauty = Rebecca Moore, his dark haired girlfriend often described as his muse during his time in New York when he recorded the album upstate.
James you should do a deep dive into the albums Alex Turner wrote about Alexa Chung, as it reminds me somewhat of the Noel-Melissa Masterplan conspiracy. Most notably there is Suck it and See, which is confirmed to be about Turner’s conflicting feelings for Chung as things were breaking off, while he also penned some songs for her on Humbug. Most interestingly though, is the possibility that AM- or at least some of it- lingers very much in the shadow of their relationship, despite its darker, sexier sound and apparent focus on hookup culture. While I wouldn’t deny that is a big lyrical theme in the album, I can’t help but think that songs like Do I Wanna Know, Why’d you only call me when you’re high and Fireside are at least partly inspired by Alexa, and Alex’s remaining feelings for her- what do you think about this theory, do you think it’s something you could look into for a video? Lyrics like “Crawlin back to you”, “Decided that once again I was just dreaming/ of bumping into you” and “I thought I was yours forever/ or maybe I was mistaken” give me that impression, might be clutching at straws but I find it kind of fascinating, especially considering they are supposedly still good friends, while rumours sometimes swirl about them getting back together.
All your talk of great albums having a story structure has made me wonder about AM, although the same could be said for any Arctic record. Great video mate, always a pleasure to watch :)
Hey Ben
Interesting idea. I'd love to do something on the Arctic Monkeys, great band
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar And I would very much enjoy watching it haha. The Masterplan conspiracy video was honestly mind blowing, and I feel like you’re the man to get to the bottom of Turner’s amazing songwriting!
The Strokes latest album was called 'The New Abnormal'. Coincidence?
I can’t speak for Jeff Buckley or the other one I forgot the bands name but you are correct on I am the resurrection and I wanna be adored I don’t really think the rest are about that Elizabeth my dear is about killing the queen and I will stand by that
I thought "You're really growing on me" was about crabs!! LOL
Hahahahaha yeah - that or genital warts!
Just using it to make up a story though
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar great video mate.
Brilliant video yet again, James. Growing On Me is about genital warts though.
Hi James. You should do a video on the Brit pop rivalry between blur and oasis.
It would be interesting if you could do an analysis of Def Leppard's Slang.
Now James, youre cult story brought me here, however I've connected with your music stuff, so it was meant to happen. Thanks mate 👍
Welcome aboard! :)
maybe 'the stone roses' pan banger was there take on: Hey... Mrs tambourine woman...
yes mate!!
You've gotta take in to consideration its all your opinion it sounds good but Ian didn't write all the songs on the stone roses album its squire and brown
I know... I say that multiple times in the video. I'm just making up a story.
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar your morning glory story has enough strength to possibly be a true conspiracy theory. Although he had atleast 50 demos before definitely maybe some he didn't use until late oasis and even using lock all the doors from 93 in thfbs. I really like your channel and enjoy your enthusiasm for my favourite band. Imo I don't want to go down conspiracy theory holes unless its just oasis or the roses the charlatans ect
i recall morning glory being track 1
What?
I dibs one of the vinyl albums
News will be on the channel first :)
What's The Story, Morning Glory is not a masterpiece. It's a 6/10
Early gang lets goooooooo
Yo James!!! First viewer
second here!
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@@JamesHargreavesGuitar yo yo yo yo ! What’s your favourite between the two Roses Album or Oasis definitely maybe?
Definitely Maybe for me :)
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar you've forgotten one ! 🙂
Interesting. The fact of the matter although "Shakespearean" all of it is about selling the soul. Forgive my directness. Its of my religious and literary experience that true love is a type of treasure. The arrogance surrounding its departure from life is part of dark force conspiracy. Juliet should have run off with romeo. As a sidenote noel should have stayed in america with the girl. And so on. The underlying truth is that a false materialism or lie is often used to sway one into believing choice exists. Choice appears random but is an illusion. There is only the truth. That sad truth is the heart. It will long for its hero for all eternity. Some may understand. Some may not. Yet as we can see in the world narcissism is more than just a disease its the wrong road. The sin of damnation. Money cant buy love because if real comes from god.
I always thought Growing on me by the Darkness was about genital warts😂
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