OASIS vs ROBBIE WILLIAMS: The Twenty Years War
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2022
- From friends in the 90s to enemies in the noughties… what really went on between the Gallaghers and Robbie Williams?
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Many thanks, JH.
It's sad that Robbie's father developed Parkinson's, but it was beautiful to see how Liam and Robbie became forgiving and respectful to each other because of that.
Robbie deserved his fame. Hes fun, goofy, positive, not shy, blunt which make people like him more then oasis reaction. God bless Robbie 🙏❤ he went through a lot to get where hes at.
Noels insults are honestly some of the funniest things I have ever heard!
It's actually commendable how much Robbie Williams has managed to maximise the little talent that he possesses for so long. I regard him as exhibit A for proving how easy it is to con the British public.
You ain't lying brother I had no idea til this video that he was that popular . In America he's a total joke . Known for that lame boy band and fighting with oasis. But never knew he was that huge. Learn something new everyday. Cheers to him. cheers to oasis 🍻
You could say that about any pop star....all about marketing and the odd good co-writer/producer...then it just snowballs... funny that oasis/beady eye and high flying birds have all used the legendary Chris Sharrock on drums though
Some of his songs were ok but his performance was always naff
Spot on
He’s not my cup of tea at all, but fair play mate he f*ckin smashed it in the 00’s
Love your work James.
Is there any chance you could do something on Alan White? As a drummer, I think he is sadly overlooked which I think is a crying shame. When I picked up my sticks at age 15, he was the one I watched so my style is indebted to him.
Keep up the good work sir.
Oh my god absolutely he’s a class drummer
Great drummer. His brother's better though!
It’s no wonder the general negative take on Robbie Williams on this channel, I do however think he’s a good lad and is part of that whole era which was in my view, the last great decade.
Brilliant video - really enjoyed! Thanks so much 😄
I love your recent musical history lessons James
James, amazingly objective work there. Such a story needed that. And you played it right down the middle. Well done sir.
James, lets get this clear:
your content is insanely good!
I dont like to speak in superlative BUT your videos of oasis vs blur and oasis vs robbie are just perfect. 🎉
Just love your videos, lots of really good videos and background info!
JAMES - keep up the fine work - I've requested a few times but I appreciate you may not have the info...but you do seem to know a lot and have great sources. I'm fascinated in any serious stalkers or incidents with crazed fans the brothers had to deal with down the years. I've never heard the press or brothers themselves broach it - I remember reading of an obsessive fan breaking into Noel's house in the early naughts when he was away on tour, and Meg and his then baby Anais being there alone...other than that, there's not much else to go on...they MUST have had loons who showed up thinking they were Liam's wife or something...no restraining orders?? Unless their security teams were tip top it seems unlikely there were so few documented incidents with nutty fans...other than just random interactions on tour, but nothing out of the ordinary. Anyways, great channel - any insights welcome...
You missed a key scene in the feud. After Robbie Williams sent a wreath to The Sun newspaper, reporters were waiting at the airport for Liam to land to get his reaction, since he had been out of the country at the time. It was here that Liam said he was going to batter Robbie Williams. It was this threat that then prompted Robbie's boxing match idea at the BRITS 2000. So, Robbie didn't just come out of nowhere with the idea of fighting Liam. 😊I looked for footage of the airport interview with Liam but couldn't find it, so maybe it never happened, though I do remember it fairly well (Mandela Effect?). Anyway, thanks for the video. Great fun, as usual. 👍
No I remember this and he said it at the.nme or q awards when on his way out
None of that changes the fact that Liam would absolutely brutalise Robbie
@@billymurray1687 No chance.
Liam is a gobshite and as weak as a kitten. Proper mouthy twat who is more of a bumping chests in yor face shouting merchant.
Robbie worksout occasionally and does a bit of boxing training.
@@billymurray1687 how'd you work that one out. Liam and Robbie were both all mouth it would have just been handbags
Love you’re videos man. Big ups from Canada
This was a really enjoyable video. nice one
James, I’m loving your work man with this. I was wondering do you ever think you’ll make a video about the whole Blur vs Oasis saga?
That's guaranteed to be the deeper than Deeper Deeperson diving down to the bottom of the Marianas Trench.
Hmm, that's one of the topics absolutely played to death in the media...good thing about James's channel is he deep-dives topics that are less scrutinised...there's at least 20 docs featuring info about that chart battle
It's really quite simple and the tale includes something I've never heard or seen anyone mention. Blur had a CD1 and CD2 of 'Country House' and Oasis just had 1 CD single of 'Roll With It'. Simple marketing move.
@@LeroybrownLR3mk02what does that even mean?
@@TheCurtisdavies It's simple. Read it again. Blur put out a CD1 and CD2 of Country House. A lot of Blur fans bought both, thus 2 copies of the single were sold.
James I love your oasis lore episodes. I have never heard of.Most of these stories
Not a fan of Robbie but he’s made some decent music like Angels, Come Undone and Feel. As a live act, he’s also pure entertainment. And Take That are the best boyband ever!!!
Respect rock music and some musicians of its genre but HATE the (majority) fans, that spread hate everywhere for different preferension genre music-listeners...think only their 'taste' that cool, serious music...
@@tigertot4935 agreed and some Oasis fans are toxic too. It’s like they try to one up each other to see who is the “bigger” fan. It’s nonsense really, especially when the band have always said that Oasis is for everyone and not for the select few.
Me and my monkey was a fucking tune as well
@@abcxyz53 if u say that he doesnt write his own stuff is because u dont know what u are talking about. He does
I think Robbie has the better ear when it comes to Singles (most his first 3/4 albums, you take the 3 or 4 big hit singles off them, and its mostly rubbish filler stuff).... Oasis it was a case of albums filled with stadium anthems, some of which maybe don;t translate as good as singles. So I would say Oasis have the better album history, but Robbie has the better singles history
Great video this is, thanks
Brilliant video James, loving your work. I love Oasis & RW made some great tunes as well
JAMES..produces FANTASTIC documentary style video's.. Impressive! *CHEERS MATE!*
Good luck with your new album man💙✊
Great stuff again James,,thank you,,,,
Thats a bunch of stressful negative energy that they could have all done without, whether they have admitted it or not at time.
Another banger, James! Thanks mate.
We?your children might need that!
I’ve been Lucky enough to see oasis and rw live a few times and yes I know a lot don’t like rw but he puts on a great show , especially knebworth time. He played knebworth 3 nights to over 375,000 that’s some achievement
I’m the same. I’m a big fan of both. If I was on Desert Island Discs, they’d both at least be on my shortlist. But I’m a bit younger than them, from near where Oasis are from, so identified with them, and went to the same rehab that Robbie wrote ‘Angels’ (which Noel said he wished he’d written, remember). There are angels in the main entrance hall in the corners and some church people who came every week told me he spent a lot of time in there lying on the benches, as did I. There’s a pond with fish in too.
Guess my taste is quite eclectic as I don’t mind a bit of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, too. Why close yourself off to beauty in this world, however it comes, and from who?
@@abcxyz53 how many people have you played for then?
It's always an entertaining watch pal.
I am actually going to see both Liam and Robbie in concert this year :D
11:17 what Noel says about Robbie was SO SAVAGE, probably one of the most brutal verbal takedowns I've ever heard in my life. Won't repeat what he said there, but yeah
He was right.
@@Davide-zc5np Yep. The Netflix documentary tells all.
James, excellent video, could you do any more feuds in the future?
Noel vs Phil Collins
Liam vs George Harrison
Good channel bro really enjoying
God I needed this video
Another belter. If they were around to offer each other a televised fight today it would almost certainly take place on DZN...
Great video again mate! Entertaining and insightful. Cheers!
What the heck is going on in that lad's head though @24:45??!!
I love that commentary clip of Noel saying that Robbie based his whole career on the song "All Around The World".
@@eadweard. I stand corrected! Thanks :)
Like most of the feuds surrounding Oasis, it was media fuelled and media driven. But what Robbie did was play them at their own game for his own fame. Unfortunately for Oasis, just as they were turning on him he was ascending to a pop stardom, one that hasn’t been comparable in the Uk since imo. He really was huge for about three years or so. Angels probably got as much, if not more air play than Wonderwall during those peak years. Towards the mid 2000’s it just got a bit sad, seeing them pop up in celebrity gossip columns, or attending the Brit awards that had lost any edge that it might have had in the mid 90’s, and so no one cared. I think Liam has mellowed out more and that helps. But so does knowing that your rivalry antics won’t get the press it once did anymore
@@abcxyz53 don’t think they made him suicidal, he was already like that from the get go. Oasis were close to becoming more of a nostalgia act. Yes they still had/have a large following, but their music by then wasn’t as relevant or interesting. I said the Brit awards had lost its edge. Even so, I think they have ‘outdone’ Robbie and Blur yeah.
I would agree, his first two albums kind of slid under the radar (especially his first) and probably most his biggest hits are on those two (especially his first album, which often gets over looked), but there was probably a period from 1999-2002 after he had found his feet as a solo artist where a Robbie album was getting more hype in the build up to its release than a Oasis album was.... I think Noel probably took a shine to Robbie a lot more than he let on, but like a lot of these guys over the year, once that shine wore off, he was fast to throw them under the bus, and as usual, used Liam as his mouth piece (this is one thing I have noticed since the split.... it used to be Liam that would come out with the "controversial" comments, and Noel would sweep in and look like he was the level headed one.... but since the break up, Liam has completely mellowed, and Noel has become something of the "bitter" one)
Take That was only popular in the UK (for me), only teenage female audience at the time, short relevance, & was mostly forgotten.
Oasis was popular worldwide (and still is today), had impressive longevity (even after the broke up), & still a legendary band that's still listened by younger generations so they're still not forgotten. The numbers don't lie cuz WTSMG album still continues to sell like crazy on all physical formats & have massive streams on all streaming services.
And oasis are just infinitely cooler in general, take that are a joke
I remember when my Mom took me and my brother to see Take That at Wembley Stadium
@@JeffHongchang thoughts? Shit?
@@JeffHongchang are you Simon from inbetweeners by any chance? 😂
Cry baby
Fair play mate! Another brilliant video! Ego and drugs mainly lol
Great info ..you should do more insight on other bands too your great at doing it and have a good voice for it ... Peace out. Tony 👍
Hi James! Love your content!
I was wondering if you could transcribe the live GMEX version of Fade-In-Out, both lead and rythm guitar parts and set up a tab as you did in the: I AM THE RESURRECTION: Outro Solo by John Squire & Stone Roses (+ TAB) by James Hargreaves video.
One of the best (if not the best) live oasis moments and i know you mentioned it in one of your videos too. MEGA! Would love to get an accurate tab of Noels lead guitar since it is hard to see exactly what he plays and then Boneheads chords in the back.
Cheers!
YES! that would be epic
14:20 clear on some good chilled downer during this time. Looks fun lol
This is great, as usual 👍
Late 90’s and early 00’s chat shows in the UK looked so laid back and chill.
That’s not a chat show it’s the Glastonbury coverage
"Take f*cking what?" ahaha 😂 classic Liam
Huge Oasis fan, I live in LA and waited tables at a restaurant in Sherman Oaks back in 2004, that Robbie used to frequent., Had no idea who the dude was.
‘See you next week , yeah?’ From
Noel in that big breakfast interview actually speaks the most about how close they were around then I think.
Seemingly, an entertaing video.
man, lots of work here, awesome. I am American Oasis fan, Robbie was truly a blip on the radar in the USA with Millenium and I only knew of him because of Oasis.
Word
It’s almost time for Robbie’s Christmas album.
Didn't he do one already
@@wirelad2007 his last five albums have all been released mid November, perfectly timed for that Christmas cash-in.
Omg 🎉 what a video!!
As an American I've never heard of Robbie or his group but it makes me realize that UK celebrity culture is wild.
Wild = Shite 😊👍
@@shaunw9270 I mean celebrity culture everywhere is shit really. Ours is just as smelly and we're better at exporting it all over the world. Yours just comes off as wacky to me because it's different.
Robbie worked with Owen Morris, Oasis producer, they wrote some songs on the middle of the 90s
Noel gets Robbie right at 11:15. Robbie was always someone who never quite figured out was his schtick was. He thought he was Liam Gallagher for a bit, then he tried pretending to be George Michael, then it was Freddie Mercury, then Frank Sinatra. And since the mid-2000s, it's been Brandon Flowers.
He’s great and you’re a nobody
In the other words, he has wide range...you just would express admiration in cinycal way 😋
@Astro Jenkins Bowie was doing something more complicated though. Cringe or not, Bowie's personas were inventive combinations of oddball stuff he happened to be into at any given time (astronauts, pierrot clowns, zoot suits, sci-fi novels). Robbie would just find someone he liked and copy them wholesale.
@@neonatalpenguin sounds like Noel finding out about the Beatles and T-Rex and copying their style then. Oasis’ music was great but not revolutionary at all and they lost it after Be Here Now. They should have quit whilst they were ahead
Robbie was the cheeky good looking singer, but needed a songwriter.
He got a great one for his big hits but then gave him peanuts out the 80million EMI advance
Ever since, without a key called Chambers, he's never been the same again.
James your quotes out loud, no 🤣🤣🤣🤣 great video mate
Do you collect Oasis promos? I've got a feeling i sold you my collection about 15 years ago
Great work once again! Love the stories of Oasis👥️️
It's better people to love one another
Oasis seemed to have a war with just about everybody back then. But I can understand why they might declare war on Robbie. Williams was one of those people I just couldn't understand or relate to. Was he rock or was he Simon Cowell? Who knows?
Liam and Noel are living Legends !! 😎😎
hello, what does Liam said at the Q awards please ?
What's the programme at 20:10?
Oasis attracted hangers on. Remember Evan Dando on the DM promo tour? Robbie saw the cool points to be scored by hanging out with Oasis. Then Angels was written and the dynamic changed
There's a funny (one of many many many) moment in Al Jourgensen's (Ministry, Revolting Cocks, Lard etc)book. He mentions Evan Dando hanging around Courtney Love and Al just bullying him and throwing him out of the room to do smack with Courtney, and of course, DO Courtney!
Robbie never could let it go deeply insuring mind
Why's he ❤😂 playing with the mannequin fingers BAHAHHAHAHAHA GOOFBALL @14:17
And let's not forget @25:54 GOOFY 😂
Urgh. Detestable songs but those Chris Heath bio books are decent enough. Fantastic content James, your research is brilliant.
Another interesting footnote in the Oasis saga.
Robbie has said he's bisexual repeatedly although he always adds "but I'd not actually have sex with a man" at the end of it, but he's admitted multiple times to being attracted to men and being "half homosexual". If he was born in a different time, he'd probably just be an out bisexual but clearly he feels some sort of shame about it.
I always thought he was gay.
@@leemcqueen500 Fuck knows, he could be and just be mega closeted due to internal shame.
He's a narcissist. The only thing that makes a narcissist happy is being the centre of attention. Liam's a narcissist too though.
Well he is married to a man
Great video. Amazing how some people never grow up. Both sides were ridiculous here. More so Robbie I would say.
They were so simular personalities behind the scenes and really should have shook hands by now and Robbie sang everything changes as the frontman for the take that single my sister used to work for east 17 management n the lads spoke a lot more than people kno
Good vid though bro saw your las vid n liking your presentation
Bloody Hell, did Oasis feud with every band......
Just got to the part about the Celebrity Football Match!
Ok
You should do a vid on Tony Mortimer n Brian Harvey east 17 n the ups n downs etc
"Come and have a go if u think ur hard enough" Robbie- Millennium
Wasn’t that what Melanie C said at the Brits to Liam?
22:27 famous last words 😂
I always assumed it started in '97 because his first album's first single (UK no.2) was an Oasis soundalike and then, from Angels onwards, he took over from them as the UK's culturally significant act, just as BHN put their star on the decedent.
We weren't able to keep up with the weekly infighting of the BritPop heavyweights easily in the USA, but I vividly remember that footage of the angry Take That girls going nuts at the boys at the airport, so it made its way across the pond for sure. I'm guessing MuchMusic/MTV must of used the clip as well. It was just too go even if the US had no idea who Take That was. Anyone else over here remember it too?
24:45 is one of the funniest clips of Liam I have ever seen given the context. They have no idea what he’s ranting about and it’s hilarious b
Remember help lines being set up for fans in crisis when they broke up?! 😂 I will say that Gary Barlow is a decent songwriter and what a stroke of luck Robbie met up with Guy Chambers to write all those hits he had.
I don't think anything can really describe what it was like to see Take That fever at its height in real time, and of course Oasis mania and how huge the Prodigy got... Magic time to be alive.
A sister of a friend on my road was a bit older and was obsessed with Take That. Every single bit of wall space was covered in pics from Smash Hits etc, she had tapes of TOTP, Mtv etc, every single bit of merch and I remember she got in trouble for staying out overnight to queue for Take That tickets.
Did you take the Glastonbury 95 footage from my channel? Cool if you did, it's there for sharing 👍
at glasto Robbie got Tim Abbot to become his manager/of sorts... the oasis road manager/press guy..
(Tim's on ciggies & alcohol single cover.. the guy in the white jacket/hand in the air)
Noel is winning the hairline war
A story that illustrates that love and hate are two sides of the same coin.
Never Forget and Back for Good are good songs. As is Angels of course.
So is patience and love love
Yeah Take That's music was great when they reformed during the mid 2000's, 'Patience, Shine, Rule The World, Greatest Day and The Flood' were bangers tbf
Oasis have b-sides that sound like renaissance masterpieces compared to that bollocks
Who are u?Juliard graduate?!
All you've right to say, I like this better than that...
How much total networth brought from that rennaisance anyway😜?i guess you would argue w/ such word irrelevant bla..bla...then what the relevant?that dirty mouth LG not a bollock act?
And now it’s turned around again. Liam is playing to over 100,000 at Knebworth whereas Robbie is irrelevant
i'm Gen Z & people of my generation don't know who Robbie Williams is but they know Liam Gallagher.
Robbie is doing fine.
He's playing gigs in Europe to the nostalgic crowd. Hasn't had a decent song since 2003 non I can remember anyway.
Robbie did a concert in Munich for 100 000 just two weeks ago =))
@@alexshelepin5382 oasis fans are less intelligent than the average person unfortunately
I think the first time I became aware of a fallout was when Liam and Noel got interviewed in the Christmas edition of NME dated 19 December 1998, when they were asked about "Record Guaranteed To Clear The House", to which Liam replied " I'm gonna be a right hard bastard now and say anything by fucking fat-arsed Robbie Williams, you can quote me on that!", to which Noel followed with "Tubby-arsed Williams".
What about Robbies dig at Liam recently saying he could have sold Knebworth again if he sold tickets just as cheap. Is the war really over?
Definitely Robbie needed a lot treatment for his OCD.
And now nobody remembers rob and Liam continues to have number 1 albums and is building a phenomenal solo back catalogue. We just now remember the fat dancer from take that. 😂
Don’t care what anyone says but Oasis and Robbie Williams music was my childhood and great! And their beef made good reading! Both sides got it, both sides northerners and working class fought for what they could get and both made great songs that will last forever! Not like nowadays where everything is overproduced with computers. Back then it was a lot more raw
I honestly didn't know that this rivalry was much longer-lasting and spiteful than the comparably short feud with Blur, but it seems logical that it was based on Liam and Robbie having a go at each other due to their relationship with Nicole, and Noel happily joining in. Jealousy is a powerful feeling that brings out the worst behaviour in us. Amplify that with lots of cocaine, fame, money, ego and tabloid media frenzy and you've got an explosion coming.
The Blur thing was mostly for the media.... as Bonehead has said in interviews since, they would regularly meet in the pub for a pint, while the front of the newspapers talked about how they can not be left alone in a room without a fight breaking out.... I think after that feud had fizzled out in 1997, Robbie was the next "target" for them as his star was on the rise, and (arguably) between 1999 and 2002, a Robbie Williams album was probably more hotly anticipated than a Oasis album was (the feud pretty much died out after Oasis had got back on their feet, and Robbie's career started to flounder after Escapology).... I think major difference between Robbie and Blur was that he actually played the game just as much as Oasis did (for all the Oasis v Blur rivalry, it was always pretty one way with Blur never really bringing themselves down to that level).
Its a great shame Liam and Robbie didn't end up having a fight. They should have put the bet on and the winner could have given the money to charity .
Jon Ronson wrote a book called lost at sea where him and Robbie Williams do weird shit like hang out with people who believe in aliens in the desert and stuff. Its actually a good book and Williams comes across like a realy nice open minded guy with a sense of humour. Dont like his music but hes alright
Both Robbie Williams and Liam Gallagher are a couple of years shy of 50. It's pathetic behaviour at that age to be honest. At least one of them finally displayed something resembling maturity.
Bolloks. We need. Rockstars.
@@gordoncomstock5675
Being a mouthy rockstar at 25 is cool being so at 50 just makes them look like a couple of idiots 😂
20:17 this skit 😂😂
Erm , ay up duck, GUY CHAMBERS wrote Angels and the rest of Robbies best hits
15:53 liam could'nt believe he bottled it
Robert Williams might have played 3 nights at Knebworth, and played some nights at the Etihad, but he shouldn’t forget that Oasis did it all first. Way before Mr Williams. Talk about the Gallaghers living rent free in his head.
Well all good things must come to an end
You can hear Robbie laughing at the end of their Slade cover ‘cum on feel the noize’ , sure he was included with drunken backing vocals too . This was recorded at Maison rouge studios in October 95’ .
Robbie’s album Escapology is phenomenal, a masterpiece in Pop Rock I’d say. There are other great songs in his other albums but Escapology stands out. He wrote and co-wrote all songs with Guy Chambers, and his performance at Knebworth is kick ass. Folks may not like him as an individual but to (completely) dismiss his talent as a singer songwriter is silly to say the least.
PS: Still prefer Oasis at any day 🍻