Did JOHN SQUIRE Write ‘Just Another Rainbow' About Ian Brown?

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  • čas přidán 19. 01. 2024
  • In early Jan 2024 Liam Gallagher and John Squire released 'Just Another Rainbow', a song which attracted some criticism of its lyrics. Join me to find out why there might be more to the words than at first meets the eye...
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    Many thanks, JH.

Komentáře • 330

  • @JamesHargreavesGuitar
    @JamesHargreavesGuitar  Před 4 měsíci +30

    Hello all - just to respond to the various comments saying it should be 'half of the whole' not 'hole', I've taken this spelling from the official lyric video, and also from how it is printed on the front of the 'Rainbow' spray can on the front cover. Both versions use 'hole' instead of 'whole'.
    Cheers, JH

    • @jimakalley1399
      @jimakalley1399 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I'll tell you something my friends, I am t 5:21 he person this song is about, my business logo back in the day had a rainbow above the name SIGN7, can you see the number 7 on the spray can, sentiment and resentment...story of my life from being a signwriter, spray can is used by graffiti artists, of which is creative art, the song words ate what you make it...me? It's my story even the lyrics...like John squire says someone out there will know...I know! I can relate too because of all the problems in my personal life, there is always a song about someone...this is mine! ❤

    • @pauldavies4119
      @pauldavies4119 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Could be a deliberate mispelling to disguise the intended meaning. Ian Brown / John Squire. Two half's of the song writing whole and also very close former best friends. Just a thought. Who knows 🤷‍♂️

    • @northernthrifter8817
      @northernthrifter8817 Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@nilesdelta8636I thought the same thing Pete Townsend, John has been known to mimic Pete bashing the Les Paul a la shepperton studio gig.

  • @josephlambert5413
    @josephlambert5413 Před 4 měsíci +215

    If you mix paint of all the colors of the rainbow, you get the color Brown.

  • @amaj7313
    @amaj7313 Před 4 měsíci +77

    In the video the bass player is Barrie Cadogan. I met him when he sold vintage guitars in Denmark Street over 20 years ago. We bonded over our love of Stone Roses and John Squire. It gives me goosebumps to see him playing with the guy who inspired him to pick up a guitar.
    Edit:
    He wrote and played the theme song for Better Call Saul.

    • @stunod1479
      @stunod1479 Před 4 měsíci +7

      I absolutley love how anyone anywhere can write anything on the internet.
      I am Sally.

    • @Steaminlidz
      @Steaminlidz Před 4 měsíci +6

      Barrie’s a hell of a guitar player.

    • @bellycuda
      @bellycuda Před 4 měsíci +4

      Death Express album is one of my favorites as it the Quatermass Seven

    • @DanteDiCarloMusic
      @DanteDiCarloMusic Před 4 měsíci +6

      I also met Barrie in Vintage and Rare Guitars, and remember talking to him about various music but especially John Squire's country gentleman guitar as there was a similar one in the shop. Really nice bloke, had a shock when I saw him on tv playing with Primal Scream lol. He had also been asked to dep in Paul Weller's band for a gig in virgin megastores but couldn't do it because he had a gig with Little Barrie! He did play on Weller's 21 Dreams album and also been on tour with Liam. Not seen him in a few years but the last time I saw Little Barrie he still remembered me and we had a bit of a chat. Great guitar player and really down to earth bloke, he's like the UK's British guitar music's secret weapon.

    • @SuperDavidGnomo
      @SuperDavidGnomo Před 4 měsíci +2

      Great song.
      Little barry.

  • @Seagreen-el7tr
    @Seagreen-el7tr Před 4 měsíci +51

    The windmill is also a guitar move. So 'Am I your windmill?' could be 'Am i your guitar showman?'

    • @stonedrose1
      @stonedrose1 Před 4 měsíci +4

      I thought that myself.

    • @1dree1
      @1dree1 Před 4 měsíci +5

      I thought so too. Windmill in regards of a machine (not a human) playing guitar ... moving arms around like a windmill and being seen that way ..instrumentalised and not respected:
      "I am not your windmill" = "I am not your guitar tool which you can use for your own benefit"
      something like that

    • @LostInAHollow
      @LostInAHollow Před 4 měsíci +5

      I also thought this. See Pete Townshend.

    • @emmedevlin5076
      @emmedevlin5076 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Ooh yes

    • @felina7849
      @felina7849 Před 4 měsíci

      Yeah if your slash 😂

  • @davebeck7305
    @davebeck7305 Před 4 měsíci +28

    The mention of 'Pot of Gold' more likely associated with 'Fools Gold'. As the lyric 'No pot of gold' = a fools gold.

  • @ChubbyChecker182
    @ChubbyChecker182 Před 4 měsíci +22

    Ian and John have personalities like Zippy and George

  • @PennyFilmsLTD
    @PennyFilmsLTD Před 4 měsíci +3

    Beautiful thing was written about Reni

  • @davidgerrard8661
    @davidgerrard8661 Před 4 měsíci +13

    Maybe the list of the colours of the Rainbow means Brown has shown his true colours 😊

  • @vanzantium
    @vanzantium Před 4 měsíci +27

    Lets face it, the Stone Roses were a band that were much greater than the sum of their parts and all the parts were awesome, apart from Brown's voice but his lyrics and persona more than made up for that. Reni counted his blessings and contently moved on to become a family man, Mani had sweet ride with the festival staple Primal Scream, Ian recognised his shortcomings and carved out an impressive solo career, with a little help of modern electronics, despite his voice, and Squire, perhaps the most talented of them all didn't come close to fulfilling his potential but how many of us do? If the lyrics represent a feeling of bitterness on Squire's part that's a shame because the song could have been so much better if he hadn't, as you suggest, compromised them with a cryptic message. They all rock in their own way. Just a shame from my point of view that we didn't get to enjoy a lot more of Squire's prowess. Fingers crossed, Squire and Liam continue to work together and turn out many more tunes showcasing Squire's ability to make us sit up and take notice. Finally check out Squires art if you haven't already it's equally as awesome.

    • @eelocos
      @eelocos Před 4 měsíci +1

      Squire did focus a lot of effort on his art though. He could have gone on to be big in music again, he's certainly good enough. But i wonder if the colours and rainbow, and the can on the lyric video, represent his art career.

    • @chimpsofthefuture6046
      @chimpsofthefuture6046 Před 4 měsíci

      Well written comment. Followed.

    • @Adi-Dassler
      @Adi-Dassler Před 4 měsíci +5

      I would argue that Reni is the most talented. Plays guitar, bass, drums and backing vocals. Ian's solo stuff overall is excellent and FEAR is up there with the best of the Roses stuff imo. Mani isnt to be underrated either as arguably the Roses would not have had the groove without the chemistry between him and Reni. Without wanting to have a go at John, I thought the Seahorses stuff was pretty bland and just another Britpop mediocre band and his solo stuff is pretty forgetable. I hope this new stuff isn't all gonna be Liam sings verse or two then big guitar solo then repeat but have a feeling it might well be. Good luck to the both of them.

    • @hypnodelica
      @hypnodelica Před 4 měsíci +3

      Reni was always the most talented member of the band... it wasn't even close.

    • @baronvonvakeman6947
      @baronvonvakeman6947 Před 4 měsíci +2

      as hypnodelica says, Reni was the most talented member & well respected before he even joined the roses & it's well documented that he was too

  • @johna.m6088
    @johna.m6088 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Here's one for you James Hargreaves. - "just another rainbow hanging over me'
    'I couldn't stand another second in your company'

    • @GT380man
      @GT380man Před 3 měsíci

      I always found that searing line delivered so strongly that it made me wince.
      How about the sheer contempt of
      “Your tongue is far too long, I don’t like the way it sucks & slurps upon my every word”?
      Ouch.

  • @gabijager7570
    @gabijager7570 Před 4 měsíci +29

    The Seahorses NEVER was an anagram of he hates roses - John has told this a thousand times, why don't you mention this? Just another rainbow as well isn't an anagram of just to hear Ian Brown. that's absolutely ridiculous!!

    • @mikkelgo
      @mikkelgo Před 4 měsíci +8

      Word!

    • @michaelsnow7252
      @michaelsnow7252 Před 4 měsíci +6

      innit. more conjecture and bullshit.

    • @FrancoBegbieT2
      @FrancoBegbieT2 Před 4 měsíci +2

      John is just taking the piss and it's growing arms and legs all the silly nonsense 😂 squire was the best at lyrics ..second coming was all John squire top notch and the first Roses both joint

    • @felina7849
      @felina7849 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I know mate. What about turning 'windmill' into "win a million". Wtaf??? 😂😂😂😂

    • @chimpsofthefuture6046
      @chimpsofthefuture6046 Před 4 měsíci

      He probably thought someone would mention the denials in the comments.

  • @IndaloMan
    @IndaloMan Před 4 měsíci +13

    I was an IT consultant at Zomba Records in Willesden (who owned Silvertone) during the Stone Roses 'contract difficulties' era. I was more into A Tribe Called Quest (on Jive Records) who were recording there. I used to eat in the inI house bistro where I saw Sam Fox. #goodolddays

    • @neilaspin008
      @neilaspin008 Před 4 měsíci

      What did you do in IT?

    • @JamesGee-ps2xb
      @JamesGee-ps2xb Před 4 měsíci +1

      My mate worked there for a while over the course of 1989. Just before the roses broke big. I got into them exactly because he was giving me all the roses vinyl from battery studios. He got a lot of Zomba stuff that he used DJing too.
      We grew up in harlesden by the way.

  • @greybotboogie3320
    @greybotboogie3320 Před 4 měsíci +10

    Interesting stuff! When 'Love is the Law' came out, IB said that tune had been around a while before The Seahorses. I reckon this Squire tune was written ages ago and is just one he pulled out of the bag. The lyrics are an anagram of "Squire bores us again with his Led Zep guitar".

  • @lowqualitydaftpunk8151
    @lowqualitydaftpunk8151 Před 4 měsíci +10

    I think it's the second best song released on that day, only behind Kula Shaker's new single, I love that song and I pre ordered a signed CD of the album

  • @milannovakovic455
    @milannovakovic455 Před 4 měsíci +13

    Can’t we just leave our memories alone of The Stone Roses my favourite band and album of all time, I am 55 years old and tired of bullshit

  • @PhilBerry83
    @PhilBerry83 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I love all this sort of stuff, this is a brilliant video James

  • @peteolson6093
    @peteolson6093 Před 4 měsíci +2

    It's us Stone Roses fans that were/are bothered about the break up of the band: Squire is clearly loving playing with a singer with a voice as brilliant and reliable as Liam's. I don't think Ian Brown is even on his radar, let alone so present in Squire's mind that he wrote a song about him. If the band members were missing each other they wouldn't have broken up (again).

  • @randyhughey633
    @randyhughey633 Před 4 měsíci +2

    If you watch the live footage of I want to be Adored from Wembley 2017, the rainbow colored smoke was being released in the crowd. May have been reflection of those last days.

  • @Music-oi2nf
    @Music-oi2nf Před 4 měsíci +3

    The word “the” occurs in several Stone Roses songs. And I heard John Squire say the word “the” quite recently. Coincidence?

  • @adamtick
    @adamtick Před 4 měsíci +2

    I love the lyrics to this song. Simple, profound, poetic. Also windmills are industrial structures designed for commercial ends.

  • @derekgray644
    @derekgray644 Před 4 měsíci +8

    My initial take of the song was along these lines - regrets over the end of the reunion tour - and we know they made money - but if they could stand to be around each other a bit longer they could have been making tens of millions every few years going back out on the road. Like you say though mate, might be miles off, you never know.

  • @jp7963
    @jp7963 Před 4 měsíci +24

    Its a fun theory! And it might even be right! But the one thing that springs to my mind is - and if I'm wrong on this do please correct me - Liam has always mentioned Ian Brown as one of his heroes. Same as all the Roses are to him. I am not aware of any bad blood between any of them. So whereas Liam and Squire doing a song together makes perfect sense (yes I'm aware they collaborated as far back as The Seahorses days) I'd be surprised that Liam (knowingly???) would sing on an "anti-Ian" song. That makes NO sense!
    Also, once saw Chris Helme of the Seahorses do a solo acoustic gig and a heckler asked him about the anagram story and he said it really was Squire hitting his head on a seahorse ornament in a pub. Ok might have signed a NDA or whatever, but, this was years after, why would he lie?

    • @rohnnyjotten3985
      @rohnnyjotten3985 Před 4 měsíci +7

      There was a fall out at one of the Roses comeback gigs and Liam was ejected.... and some people thought the John Lennon line in Beautiful Thing was aimed at Liam because of it.

    • @jp7963
      @jp7963 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@rohnnyjotten3985 Oh that's interesting, adds more to it. I don't follow these bands closely at all so that's why I wasn't sure. Thanks!
      **** UPDATE **** - I have found a few articles reporting on this - but - it has to be noted so many, many people, especially ones close to the band, refute or outright dismiss the story as clickbait tittle-tattle just to garner clicks. Many also point out Liam has been seen at Ian Brown solo gigs especially the ones derided as his "karaoke"ones so I'm still not sure! Who knows eh? Liam & Squire certainly haven't fallen out.... not yet anyway! Cheers!

    • @cpr1009
      @cpr1009 Před 4 měsíci

      I agree, and Ian tweeted a photo of himself with Liam at the funeral of Mani's wife just a few weeks ago.

  • @TheGalwayFarmer
    @TheGalwayFarmer Před 4 měsíci +3

    Ian Brown dripping on Squire's tree is conjouring up some strange imagery I have to say....

  • @sparkipeat2255
    @sparkipeat2255 Před 4 měsíci +5

    A wonderfully fanciful load of marvelous bull. Good work as always 👍

  • @kimchi_b
    @kimchi_b Před 4 měsíci +18

    No doubt it's about Ian and/or the Roses but I thought Beautiful Thing was written by Browny about Reni because he sabotaged their booked studio time by not turning up and thus he refused to play it live. At the last gig at the end Reni moves seemingly very angrily towards Ian, who hotfoots it off stage and sings a few lines of Beautiful Thing from backstage. Even in their reunion announcement press conference I think it was Ian who was promising new material and Reni seemed to be pouring scorn on the idea.

    • @kimchi_b
      @kimchi_b Před 4 měsíci

      Also pretty sure John wrote the lyrics to Fool's Gold.

    • @captainfeedback1
      @captainfeedback1 Před 4 měsíci

      @@kimchi_b hence the reference here to 'no pot of gold'...

    • @JamesGee-ps2xb
      @JamesGee-ps2xb Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@kimchi_bno he didn't. Ian did.

    • @gbamck
      @gbamck Před 4 měsíci +2

      Agreed Beautiful Thing is Ian to Reni. Quoting "By all means necessary", a song of Ian's where he says "Even though you did me wrong, well, still I wish you well
      But by all means necessary, you can go to hell". Mentions addiction (Reni's), Reni "couldn't be bothered" showing up for the single sessions so no involvement in the music, lyrics, nothing. And of course, refusing to play it as he wasn't on it so it was the gigs' outro song instead. Ian's song "So High" mentioned too, which is all about "bye bye" and obvious digs. I'm certain Ian wrote the lyrics.
      I'm led to believe, though Ian and John haven't exactly stayed in touch, they never fell out again (beyond a bit of bickering). But his animosity towards Reni was clear, calling him a c*nt on stage.
      It's worth mentioning that whilst some of the Just Another Rainbow lyrics might look like they're from John about Ian and the reunion, let's also not forget it was Mani that stated (about the reunion gigs) "it's just the fucking Ian Brown show, isn't it".

  • @crcolinrae
    @crcolinrae Před 4 měsíci +6

    I’m pretty sure Ian and John finished the last gig at Hampden with a cuddle for one another, which tells me they were on a decent enough footing at the end. There looked to be visible tension between Brown and Reni though. Brown proceeded to drum through Reni’s intro to IATR on his bongos, definitely looked like a fuck you to him. Would love to see them go again, one of the worlds best live.

  • @garyabblett3128
    @garyabblett3128 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I think you’re on the money with most of it but the windmill bit, I think that’s about John being the guitarist as “windmilling” is an action done with a guitar, not that John would do that, but it’s a play on words.

  • @JimmyJazz217
    @JimmyJazz217 Před 4 měsíci

    ‘James Hargreaves Guitar’ is an anagram for me: ‘love the videos. Keep up the good work mate’ 😊👍🏻

  • @user-oh7iv3ij5x
    @user-oh7iv3ij5x Před 4 měsíci +2

    Makes a lot of sense James a good interpretation of “just another rainbow”

  • @RitchAmes
    @RitchAmes Před 4 měsíci +2

    Just watched the clip of them coming on stage for their last ever show in Glasgow. Brown enters stage right, the rest stage left. Think that says it all. This song is also very close to the first Ian Brown release post Roses, 'First World Problems'. That said, it's a shame Liam couldn't perform Roses / Oasis songs with Mani, Reni and Squire, plus the new stuff - it would be awesome to hear Roses songs 'sung' in key, and Oasis songs brought to life by that awesome trio.

  • @TomClifford
    @TomClifford Před 4 měsíci

    Great vid, new track bangs ❤

  • @neilaspin008
    @neilaspin008 Před 4 měsíci +1

    This is a truly amazing analysis. If you think of it in terms of the backwards guitar, it's like a cryptic crossword clue.

  • @richdukes9632
    @richdukes9632 Před 4 měsíci

    Ironically this theory also extends to part of the experience of being a Stone Roses fan in terms of new material. speaking from personal experience (they’ve been my all time fav band since I discovered them age 14 in ‘94) and even more so for one of the original fans. So many times that band took you to the edge of greatness and promise..only to blow up at the pinnacle. First album, following up on the fools gold/one love era with more of that sound, second coming, reunion album that never happened. So if your theory is indeed correct James, these lyrics are actually genius in the sense of the songwriter conveying his message to the listener. It’s also about love, that breaks and then never being able to sustain it after that point. Which is the actual definition of Squire/Brown as a pair

  • @chrisredgrave5322
    @chrisredgrave5322 Před 4 měsíci +5

    James you’re awesome. Please continue with your content - I’ve been following you now for years!

  • @Gowingmj
    @Gowingmj Před 4 měsíci +2

    Really interesting and thank you! Like the anagram thing and it works, also Ian Brown throws a pink fender guitar in the river on the video for his single for First World Problems

  • @markelkins1392
    @markelkins1392 Před 4 měsíci +5

    (Just Another Tick on My Bucket List)
    (Just Another Tick on Liams Bucket List.)
    Interesting that the Spray Can says 7 Colours yet its Red White and Blue . i could carry on but won,t bore the crap out of everyone

  • @partickbee
    @partickbee Před 4 měsíci

    @JamesHargreavesGuitar did you ever read the ‘One Love Story’ thesis about the Roses that was on the internet in late 90s / early 00s. The author was perhaps not as grounded as y’rsel but some of y’r interpretive vids have brought it back to my mind (the Masterplan, for instance). With this vid, I couldn’t not get off my lazy digital arse and finally ask you. Keep up the sterling romantic work Sir!

  • @OSW
    @OSW Před 4 měsíci +21

    Dude I love your vids, but you're an artist, why are you using AI art?

    • @thevale2456
      @thevale2456 Před 4 měsíci +2

      If you saw one of his recent videos he’s done a bit of a U-turn on AI. The artwork looks good even if it’s artificial.

    • @Joeelkins.
      @Joeelkins. Před 4 měsíci +1

      OSW boys in the house!

  • @ChubbyChecker182
    @ChubbyChecker182 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Ahh, yes the anagram thing would not surprise me at all, had not realised that (and Ian uses Own Brain himself over the years.... They do like their anagrams and double meanings.

  • @TommyTunes1989
    @TommyTunes1989 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I dont think its about ian brown nor do i think "Its a beautiful thing" is aimed at john squire as were talking about grown men here. Everyone has totally overthought it. Its a piece of music, and squire has clearly mentioned that it its a song for what an individual wants it to be. Not to be aimed at an individual. Squire and brown personally for me are my all-time favourite musicians they were perfect together. Please dont push the two songs onto a hateful direction.

    • @kimchi_b
      @kimchi_b Před 4 měsíci +3

      Insiders say Beautiful Thing is about Reni because he didn't turn up for the booked studio time past All For One...

  • @nigefal
    @nigefal Před 4 měsíci +4

    This gave me a good laugh if nothing else. Not trying to have a go at Hargreaves but I honestly think his searching for meaning in songs stems from his time with that clut he escape from. Always searching for messages and hidden meanings.
    "Just to hear Ian Brown dripping on my tree" sounds very dodgy indeed!

  • @roopa1824
    @roopa1824 Před 2 měsíci

    I love your videos mate.

  • @jonathanestevenez6008
    @jonathanestevenez6008 Před 4 měsíci

    Great video. I'm happy you got a better audio set up now - your videos are too good for room-verb.

  • @MarcAndreLacas
    @MarcAndreLacas Před měsícem

    The windmill reference. It think it is related to the Who, with Pete Townshend, the guitar hero doing "windmills" on stage, for a legendary band that broke up and reunited many times. I understand it in that way. Squire is using the "windmill" reference, to say he was the reluctant "guitar hero" of the last Stone Roses reunion tour...

  • @martinhayes3002
    @martinhayes3002 Před 4 měsíci +2

    To me Just Another Rainbow is lyrically a metaphorical version of ‘Is That All There Is?’ By Peggy Lee.

  • @joshmaccallum-stewart2474
    @joshmaccallum-stewart2474 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Stop press - the next single will be John Squire's 'covid' song

  • @Darren_Kelly
    @Darren_Kelly Před 4 měsíci +1

    If you are a windmill, it means you do all the work whilst someone else reaps the rewards/benefits.

    • @Debtwarrior
      @Debtwarrior Před 4 měsíci

      Actually this line refers to the belief (and practice) that windmills could make women into 'one of the beautiful ones"

  • @burnsybaby1987
    @burnsybaby1987 Před 4 měsíci +2

    There's definitely something to it, Jamie, for sure. The fact John has mentioned disappointment in the interview points to the way the Roses ended up. I was at Leeds in 2017 knowing they had allegedly had a bust up the previous night in Edinburgh. A guy told me who knows some of their crew. As the gig finished, Ian and John remained on the stage to embrace. Reni and Mani were gone. That sticks with me. Squire is pure class and I will forever think about him at the Etihad, hair totally covering his face, looking like Darth Vader! He looked and sounded a million dollars, with a three pick-up Les Paul. There's more enthusiasm in Liam's vocal and attitude in the video than I have seen in any of his solo work, which I do love. He struck gold with Why Me, Why Not. Misunderstood is a classic.
    Keep up the good work mate!
    Adam

    • @burnsybaby1987
      @burnsybaby1987 Před 4 měsíci

      My mistake...no Edinburgh. But there was a gig in Glasgow and one at Wembley before, and this is where allegedly a disagreement broke out. I seem to remember at the time it was between Ian and Reni, surprise surprise.
      The biggest shame is that Mani gave up his seat in Primal Scream and hasn't really been heard of since. Giving away all your basses isn't a good sign either!

    • @burnsybaby1987
      @burnsybaby1987 Před 4 měsíci

      Belfast! I've slept since then! 😂

  • @Jimmywilliams_
    @Jimmywilliams_ Před 4 měsíci

    And thats why I love Squire/ The Stone Roses.. always an air of mystery that surrounds there music.
    when you uncoded that song I nearly choked up i have to admit..
    This song is very misunderstood on face value and indeed has a deeper meaning..
    Even naming all the colours of the rainbow
    That’s really upset everyone 😂
    Ian brown loves a anagram he wrote Own Brain” which as he tells you in the song” is a anagram of his own name”
    As for Beautiful Thing ( this is 100% brown writing style)
    “ By all means necessary“ lyric is also from browns solo album ( My Way ) which is a fantastic album very underrated.
    Also great video James fair play 👍

  • @Viveka-2023
    @Viveka-2023 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I thought the amercian critics suggested the stone roses single- all for one sounded like rainbow - the band. Just throwing that in the mix...

  • @joeterzio7175
    @joeterzio7175 Před 4 měsíci +1

    That was a fun watch. I don't think that it's a deliberate anagram but Squire says to interpret the songs as we wish so, there you have it, "Just to hear Ian Brown" it is. 😏

  • @cs0rpc
    @cs0rpc Před 4 měsíci +1

    I was at the final show in Glasgow and Brown and Squire were arm in arm (instigated by Brown) mid-set (as I recall). I'm not saying the final split was smooth, but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as in the mid 90s. I would expect Beautiful Thing to be more likely to have been written about Reni than John (assuming Brown wrote the lyrics). John also stated in a previous interview that they had a pact and not to speak about any causes for future break ups that he intended to honour. Never say never, but I don't see them having the motivation to do it again. They may have seen each other at Mani's wife's funeral. Also... how many of these songs were written for a potential third album (hence lyrics pre-dating a split)?

  • @FabienFabreMusique
    @FabienFabreMusique Před 4 měsíci

    The lyrics of first world problems fit prefectly with the another rainbow instrumental. That-is-crazy. Good job

  • @ManilvaRS
    @ManilvaRS Před 4 měsíci +1

    James is the Alex Jones of the Oasis / Stone Roses world. He’s just sick of them putting chemicals in the water that make Oasis not get back together.

  • @pmers
    @pmers Před 4 měsíci +1

    Windmill could refer to just being a hired guitar player. The motion of playing style akin to that of a windmill.

  • @RobertHutchinson398
    @RobertHutchinson398 Před 4 měsíci +5

    "Just to hear Ian Brown dripping on my tree" sounds quite saucy haha

    • @polycube868
      @polycube868 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I'm not sure I want to know what he's dripping! 😂

    • @RobertHutchinson398
      @RobertHutchinson398 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@polycube868 😂

    • @wardy2c
      @wardy2c Před 4 měsíci +1

      He’s up the tree with a picnic

    • @polycube868
      @polycube868 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@wardy2c like Yogi Bear!

  • @iani1457
    @iani1457 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Nonsense

  • @kaisermaschine
    @kaisermaschine Před 4 měsíci

    Wow, this makes the song so much better. I avoided it after hearing a sample of the lyrics initially. It could also be about Liam. Genius lyrics. Hats off to John 🙌

  • @mellowgold87
    @mellowgold87 Před 3 měsíci

    I could be wrong, but I think the windmill part of the lyrics is actually referring to him being a guitar player. He's "just a guitar player" to Ian Brown, a back up musician. If this is the meaning... I feel bad for John because as he stated in the lyrics he is "half of the whole" and deserves far more respect than that.

  • @Stu-The-Cue
    @Stu-The-Cue Před 4 měsíci +2

    Most of Unfinished Monkey Business was about Squire. Cant See Me, What Happened To Ya, Deep Pile Dreams and Nah Nah were unmissable digs. Anagrams, double meanings and metaphors started with the Roses and this is continuation of that.
    When they got back together it was because Brown and Squire bonded over the death of Manis mom. Reni sowed the seeds of doubt from the start, while Brown said publicly he had "got gus best friends back" and still wanted "to take over the world" with them. Mani was clearly overjoyed but John barely said anything, still trying to be too cool for school.
    Such a massive massive shame we never got that 3rd album, reports from the sessions were of modern psychedelic pop. Beautiful Thing showed it was still in them but Reni had no interest in doing an album and constantly said he was going back to his life after touring.

  • @adamkidson4444
    @adamkidson4444 Před 4 měsíci

    100% you've nailed it mate . Makes perfect sense. Windmill is Squire being his guitarist

  • @starshapedtambourineman
    @starshapedtambourineman Před 4 měsíci +5

    I see the windmill as the work horse which grounds the flour which makes the food/money.
    The windmill, who cares about it, its just a means to an end. we just want the flower (flour) roses. 😅
    Just joking btw :p

  • @mattjones7437
    @mattjones7437 Před 4 měsíci +1

    interesting take, not huge on the song but can appreciate it more with this theory

  • @ZX67019
    @ZX67019 Před 4 měsíci

    Re: who may have written Beautiful thing, Ian Brown has a song entitled "By all means necessary "on his (very good) 'My Way ' album - which has a couple of songs that most observers would say are about John Squire.

  • @user-oh7iv3ij5x
    @user-oh7iv3ij5x Před 3 měsíci

    Lots of great suggestions in the comments it really is a song asking a lot of questions. In an interview JS said “his song was complete when he heard Liam sing it”, he was full of praise of Liams voice.

  • @justkidding9751
    @justkidding9751 Před 3 měsíci

    Excellent interpretation

  • @Flukey_1970
    @Flukey_1970 Před 4 měsíci

    Great video i definitely think you are onto something maybe look for more words that could be anagrams

  • @SuperBingo96
    @SuperBingo96 Před měsícem

    My take is that John is saying in The Stone Roses he can't have the amount of input he wishes musically because Ian has a bigger presence and talent.

  • @pyenapple
    @pyenapple Před 4 měsíci +1

    It’s also an anagram of Reni / Brown: a hat joust

  • @Ronalti65
    @Ronalti65 Před 4 měsíci

    Love it👏👏👏

  • @paulkerr2298
    @paulkerr2298 Před 4 měsíci +4

    its growing on me

  • @RB-pq9ld
    @RB-pq9ld Před 4 měsíci

    Ian Brown also has a song called “by all means necessary” which ties in with the theory on beautiful thing

  • @Seagreen-el7tr
    @Seagreen-el7tr Před 4 měsíci +3

    Interesting stuff James. Sadly it would be better to think they are just ropey lyrics, but Squire & Brown are clever lyricists, you could be right?

    • @JamesGee-ps2xb
      @JamesGee-ps2xb Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@FrancoBegbieT2 Ian, lyrically, is way better then John.
      Ian's lyrics for the Roses era were Fools Gold, Resurrection, most of the first album and Standing Here. The rest are co written by Ian and John.
      Then look at Ian's far superior lyrics in his solo career compared to John's patchy, sometimes just daft lyrics with the seahorses, solo and this new thing with Liam.
      Definitely musically John is great but lyrically Ian is better.

  • @spacebarbus
    @spacebarbus Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think Beautiful Thing was about Reni. Definitely written by Ian.

  • @lucasm3879
    @lucasm3879 Před 3 měsíci

    John Squire said in interviews several times before they reformed, despite the artwork he published in 2009, that after seeing the Led Zep reunion concert in late 2007, he fancied doing a similar thing with the Roses.
    He was just as up for it as everyone else (he has quite a few kids which need paying for) and they all earned a pretty penny out of it, so IF your lyrical interpretation is correct, I don't think he could really complain too much about being there to pay Ian Brown's bills.

  • @leewhieldon4299
    @leewhieldon4299 Před 4 měsíci +1

    James lad…forgive me if you’ve already made the point (without me watching your vid back) but ‘am I your windmill?’ Line…windmill makes bread and bread is slang for money

  • @BoozyHughezy
    @BoozyHughezy Před 4 měsíci +1

    Just to add to this, the choice of Liam Gallagher to vocalise these words will always elevate the words. As Liam, it can be argued, is a better version of Ian Brown.

  • @jravell
    @jravell Před 4 měsíci +5

    7:21 I’m thinking that Windmill could also be a rhyming substitute for the word Windfall.

  • @chrisalves4908
    @chrisalves4908 Před 3 měsíci

    Replace every 'rainbow' with ian brown [need to use the n twice] but the lyrics make more sense.
    Squire saying liam is juat another frontman for him to showcase his guitar skills,this is how i hear it ❤️

  • @iamtheeggman1986
    @iamtheeggman1986 Před 4 měsíci

    Excellent stuff

  • @nkjnr72
    @nkjnr72 Před 3 měsíci

    If you look at John’s guitar in the video - it’s the strat with “Marquis de Sade never made no boots like these” scrawled on it. No way is that by chance.

  • @ChubbyChecker182
    @ChubbyChecker182 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Other Possible Anagrams...
    Jus' a Hotter Ian Brown
    Just a other Ian Brown
    And for "Another Rainbow" theres "He a rot, Ian Brown"

  • @matthewfoster858
    @matthewfoster858 Před 4 měsíci

    Maybe the gold reference is take a swip at brown vocals on fools gold.

  • @bizkitt1921
    @bizkitt1921 Před 4 měsíci

    Love this!

  • @bennybilo
    @bennybilo Před 4 měsíci +1

    Just to also point out "half of the whole" is what a rainbow is, half of a circle

  • @user-oi4pm6ch2m
    @user-oi4pm6ch2m Před 3 měsíci

    You said you were struggling to come up with a theory about the line ‘Paying the bills, am I your windmill?’, well here’s my take on it. Pete Townsend of The Who famously has his trademark ‘windmill’ guitar style, and Townsend wrote all The Who’s songs, basically carrying Roger Daltry for 60 years. Much like Squire had been doing with Brown. While Brown wrote a lot of the lyrics on the first album, Squire wrote the melodies which are, if we’re honest, the more exciting parts of the songs. Then the second album was all written by Squire. And the live shows were about Squires guitar and Renis drumming, because as we know Browns live voice isn’t up to much. So Squire, like Townsend has been playing his windmill so Brown could pay the bills, particularly the divorce bill. Feel free to point out the flaws in my theory people. Open to opinions.

  • @kellypeterson2625
    @kellypeterson2625 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Speaking of Lewisohn, have you listened to the Another kind of mind podcast series that accuses Mark L (in tune in) of being Lennon centric and downplaying Paul? I have listened to a few episodes. They make an interesting case.

  • @RichardOliver
    @RichardOliver Před 4 měsíci

    I did not even think what the lyrics were about. I rarely do with any song.

  • @pyenapple
    @pyenapple Před 4 měsíci

    Also “dripping on my tree” may be a reference to the classic book/tale The Rainbow Goblins: the rainbow colors are stolen by goblins, turned into dripping liquid to eat.

  • @davidkennah2606
    @davidkennah2606 Před 4 měsíci

    I thought made of stone was a verse short...yet still a masterpiece...

  • @stunod1479
    @stunod1479 Před 4 měsíci

    OOOOOOOHHHH a new James Hargreaves video!! i am giddy with teenage excitement!!

  • @leeknowles4141
    @leeknowles4141 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Windmills grind grain into flour , which in turn makes dough ( money) and makes bread ( money) maybe ha

  • @KundaLionz108
    @KundaLionz108 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Watch Ian Brown on his "First World Problems' video where at the end he throws the pink Fender Stratocaster into the river. That Stratocaster was the one John Squire played on the 1st album and during their meteoric rise. He was already showing that the Roses were done and he used Squires guitar to show his bitterness towards Squire by throwing him/ his guitar into the river. Just a thought!!! 😇 Check it out below at 5.52
    czcams.com/video/YMRYIRnVhlE/video.html

    • @kimchi_b
      @kimchi_b Před 3 měsíci

      Has anyone confirmed that it's the same one? Aziz inherited the original. That guitar was known as the 'resurrection' one so could just symbolise the resurrection of the roses was thrown away (and Reni was the one who wouldn't record as far as we know).

    • @BenJahmin108
      @BenJahmin108 Před 3 měsíci

      @@kimchi_b Azia may have it yet to get a pink one and throw it in the river is quite symbolic. If it was Reni that was refusing then why not throw drumsticks 🥁 Ian Brown does have a sadistic side to him that can be quite cruel. John spoke about that years ago in interviews. Something we will never the truth about as everything within the Roses is so well hidden. No kiss and tells or autobiographies spilling the beans. 🙏

  • @thedethrocker8858
    @thedethrocker8858 Před 3 měsíci

    This is actually awesome!!!

  • @vanzantium
    @vanzantium Před 4 měsíci +3

    A windmill generates energy to produce things, today electricity, in the past flour, but in essence a commodity to sell. I don't think an anagram is required here.

  • @astral_brain
    @astral_brain Před 4 měsíci +5

    This is a pretty contrieved explanation. You basically have no knowledge about their lives and what's on their minds, yet you try to shoehorn the meaning of this song to fit some of the few tidbits of information you have on them. And anyway, do you really think John Squire would be so consumed by hatred towards Ian Brown that he would repeatedly keep making up secret anagrams about it? He has debunked the myth about the Seahorses (there's actually a pretty intriguing story behind the name) and I don't think he would have rejoined the Stone Roses if he really hated Ian Brown that much.

    • @alexclemence8685
      @alexclemence8685 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Finally, a sensible comment. Anyone who is looking at the word 'windmill' and digs out 'win a million' is reaching and has way too much time on their hands.

  • @nicksmith4340
    @nicksmith4340 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Am i your windmill- perhaps meaning he was the money naking machine to browns hot air

  • @jeremymr
    @jeremymr Před 4 měsíci

    Seems to me like windmill could be a reference to Don Quixote... "Tilting at windmills"

  • @timjansentunes
    @timjansentunes Před 3 měsíci

    A rainbow is pretty but can never be grasped. Trying to get close to it, will end in dissapointment. It reminds me of getting something that seemed amazing before I had it. Then it doesnt live up to expectation or I lose interest. The joy I thought I would find isnt there. The rainbow has dissapeared. And it will return.

  • @sodiumlights
    @sodiumlights Před 4 měsíci

    I'm more curious to know if any of these new songs were originally planned for that aborted Roses album.