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I think fox never had the intention to make this film reason why I believe this is fox never announced it weaver and blomkamp did I believe they used blomkamp to make Ridley bend the knee when I watch covenant it feels in even because fox’s studio mandate and Ridley still trying to get his stuff In. Covenant was always going to come out it had a script beyond the 10 page outline also had sets and a budget already set aside how did blomkamp not make it past a 10 page outline or concept art In a two year span
@@jimbowlan5804 I think it's more likely that Ridley may have wanted to make another Alien movie for quite some time, but was pretty clueless on how to do it. Then Blomkamp presented his idea for a movie and Ridley managed to insert himself into Blomkamp's project, only to destroy it from within, at the same time picking up ideas from Blomkamp. The almost endless list of writers re-writing what was supposedly Ridley's script, suggests that that script might have been heavily based on Blomkamp's ideas and in hindsight Ridley wanted those gone, to erase the fact that they came from Blomkamp, resulting in the Prometheus mess.
I don’t think fox ever had the intention of releaseing alien 5 heres what makes me believe that. Fox never announced it blumkamp did and all we got In 2 years was just concept art no sets no budget. Iam convinced they used Blumkamp to make Ridley bend the knee cause covenant wasn’t what he wanted
I have no interest in seeing a continuation of the ALIEN 2 story with Hicks and Newt surviving. Sure ALIEN 3 sucked, and later sequels sucked worse, but bringing back the cast of ALIENS just seems dumb
I am still so sad about this. It is the greatest What Could Have Been. Star Trek: Picard Season 3 has shown that older actors/characters can deliver satisfying and lucrative returns. They should still give Sigourney Weaver, Michael Biehn, and Neill Blomkamp a chance to make this. Limited episode streaming series/miniseries if that seems less risky than a theatrical release (but YOU KNOW this would make HUGE money at the box office, there is no question).
Season 3 had the benefit of showrunner who was familiar with the material (Terry Matalas, as opposed to Alex Kurtzman) so it's possible that Neill could have pulled it off nearly a decade ago... Michael Biehn did have a stroke at one point and has since recovered, so that could have put a damper on things for awhile as well.
One problem, Neill Blomkamp's a hack, and the nuclear family from Aliens needed to be stamped out in my opinion, just does not fit with what I want from Alien.
I think that ship has sailed sadly. Biehn had a couple of strokes a few years ago and if you watch him in interviews he kind of lisps now and seems (understandably) frailer now. It’s a shame, but we can’t outrun the clock it seems.
Like Lucas, Burton etc. he needs people to reign him in occasionally... people that just say "yes" to these directors aren't doing them (or the audience) any favors.
Sigourney has stated that she's done with Ripley, which is really sad as I certainly think this film would have been the best way to resolve Ripley's story. If this project somehow ever came back and Sigourney decided to join in, I hope that it's a live-action film (though I wouldn't mind a full-CG film, like how Blomkamp's Oats Studios did a short film called Off The Grid - Switcher that uses it). But, since the House of Mouse has the franchise now, it's safe to say the chances of there being another good Alien film, especially one that this could have likely been, is not likely.
If I ever get enough money to buy the Alien Franchise... I got a good story and set of movies that would not only get the timeline in proper order... But give a proper ending to the "Ripley" story and open it up for more stories later. I literally have it mapped out. It does involve Ellen waking up next to Hicks (she's married to now) and him asking which dream was it this time? Referring to Alien 3 and 4 as "Cryosleep nightmares" she had which still linger to a degree. That removes those two movies as a part of the storyline.. but keeps them (in a weird way). Her rescuing her daughter, Amanda, who I would have stuck in her own cryosleep in orbit around Origae-6 (where the Covenant went), is pivotal. I even finally, got a movie idea explaining what happens to the original David (not the David-upload-to-Walter one) and Daniels. Their fight causes the Juggernaut to crash on LV-426... with the eggs that David "Grew" (they were not laid by anything).
You’re gonna need some Disney money to snatch the brand from the Mouse 😂 After Prometheus, Tyler Perry wanted to create his own sci-fi film as a response (he wasn’t pleased with the film). Ya might want to pitch your series to him; he’s got a full on production company and everything. I definitely think that the “other” Alien 5 was gonna be a dream within a dream kinda thing.
I have mixed feelings about this project. I adore the Alien series including all Alien films. Each one adds something new and fresh to the lore. All Neill films look the same. I really can't imagine Alien 5 looking like Elysium/District 9/Chappie. Plus some arts for this project were absolutely God-awful. Just look at facehuggers' new design! The idea of ignoring the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection was so lazy and idiotic. Despite that I was still curious about Alien 5 and I'd watch it anyway.
He at least came up with the best way to make sense of Alien's derelict and Pilot... biomechanically grown and schizophrenically mutated, like with H. R. Geiger's paintings.
According to rumours from the script writers,Neill Blomkamp movie was about the Sulaco ship drifting in space after the emergencypods were released.On the ship there were a xenomorph hidden in the lower basement of the spaceship.After fifty years they are detected by another ship bringing colonists to a new terraformed planet for humans.They send in two robots to investigate.They find traces of dna in the ships database,and clones Hicks,Ripley and Newt. But as clones they don't remember anything of the events that took place in the alien3 movie. When they arrive at the colonists destinyplanet,the xenomorph starts to lay eggs. Then all humans on the planets are attacked and a war breaks out.Ripley,Hicks and Newt manages to escape in a spaceship they find in a cave. It is a engineer spaceship that takes them to the engineers homeplanet called"Paradise".But when they have left the spaceship,a deacon crawls out and makes a cliffhanger for a followup movie 😀
My idea for an Alien5 movie is as follows: It takes place after alien4 and takes places on an earth in ruins. TheRipleyClone has transformed into an entity that is producing eggs,and a lot of humans are affected,and a war breaks out.They have to use a nuke on the swarms of xenomorphs and decidedes to travel to the planet where they think the xenomorphs orginate from.There they find there are multiple forms of xenomorphs.They manages to form a clone of a xenomorph that is able to communicate with them. And a peace is established. But as allways Weyland-Yutani has spies that want the xenomorph for their biological weapon program. And it is a surprice who the spy is. And that Weyland-Yutami has a lab on a spacestation not far from the xenomorph planet. Where they finds forms of xenomorphs that noone has seen before.
The excitement I felt when I was a teen in the mid 2010’s hearing about Alien 5. Only for it to fizzle out and fade away. Being a kid in the early to mid 2000’s with the first 2 Halo games and seeing Aliens for the first time left a lasting impact on me since how much was taken from the first 2 films to create halo. I would watch Aliens multiple times a year as a kid. Colonial Marines is a guilty pleasure for me and I prefer to follow it largely for my own head cannon. I hate both resurrection and alien 3 but at least hicks survived in A:CM. It just pains me learning about all the films abandoned. William Gibson’s Alien 3 would’ve honestly made it a contender for which film is my favorite of the first 3 films especially since I love neuromancer and johnny mnemonic. it will forever pain me that Neils film was canned. I largely blame Ridley but even then it was his vision that created my favorite film blade runner which helped birth the cyberpunk genre which leaves me bittersweet in the end.
I always found his ideas for the Alien universe kinda... subdued? His imagination is far greater than what he put to paper for the franchise; I think he tried to ground it a little too much.
Problem is blomkamp is not a box office draw and his film looked ambitious it would have to have a massive budget and blomkamps films do better over seas not domestically and they run the risk of pissing multiple groups this film would have had to do around Prometheus numbers which is possible but based off of his track record not likely
Yeah the problem is that more often then not Scott has taken solely credit for Alien, and not only do others play into this but ignore the actual creators in Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett. And if it wasn't for these 2 guys and the beautiful work of H. R. Giger there'd be no Alien franchise. His ego was so big he felt he had the right to stop Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5, and the studio went along with it in order for Scott to try to turn Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett beautiful Aliens series into another Blade Runner. I mean come on, the fan's wanted it and the actors who played Ripley, Hicks, Newt and Bishop all were excited to do it. But the studio put it on hold cause Scott wanted his movies to come out first. I don't think there will be a 3rd movies, and since the guy is taking so long the Alien 5 was dropped altogether.
In all fairness, I would have wanted to see a proper sequel to Prometheus before the proposed Alien 5... it's unfortunate that the script they went with for A:C ensured that all interest in the brand would be snuffed out. You're absolutely right about the writers and Giger's art; Scott had excellent source material to work with and the one instance of studio notes actually worked in our favor (Ash was a network decision). He was the tool that brought their work to life and not vice-versa.
@@workingmemories2213 I did like Prometheus and they were beautifully done, but as part of Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett Alien series they were bad. So I look at them as their own universe and not cannon to the series. I was kinda with you till your he brought their work to life and not vice-versa. Scott was just the director and didn't write the story or the screen play, and didn't create the Alien or the visuals. His not James Cameron who did most of the work for Aliens, and showed that anyone can do what Scott did. Hell Scott wasn't even the original guy they wanted to direct, he was like the third or fourth choice. So I'd say if it wasn't for these 3 men, Scott would of had nothing and not vice-versa.
I'm with you 💯 on all of this! Born in 77 and lived in dull suburbia so trips to the vid store was the highlight of the week. Kids these days have No idea! I remember playing an "Aliens" game on my old apple computer from the mid 80's. I look at Alien and Aliens as one full movie. The greatest movie of All time!!!
My idea for an alien tv-series is as follows: It takes places just before the events in the first alien movie and happens on a planet near where the nostromo spaceship is shipping ore.Weyland-Yutani is on the planet and have terraformed it for years,when they discovers a cave with lots of xenomorph eggs. One of them get's infected and a xenomorph is born. It turns out to be a queen,and a lot of the Weyland-Yutani humans are infected and then a war breaks out.All the humans on the planet are wiped out and only a few manage to escape in a spaceship.Then they nuke the planet from orbit. Then Weyland-Yutani regrets the decision and a hunt for the xenomorph begins.They get a tip that there's a crashed spaceship on lv426 and sends the robot Ash on the Nostromo spaceship.But they are informed that the mission has failed and that Nostromo has gone missing.Then Weyland-Yutani get's a tip about an xenomorph on Fiorina161 and sends a team of researchers there.They finds a surviving prisoner that is impreagnated and a queen is born. Weyland-Yutani then wants to use the xenomorphs on the planets where the engineers are located because they want the technology to seed planets with life. They also want the elixir that provides humans with prolongued life.After they have managed to give birth to a flock of xenomorphs,they drops them on an engineer planet and causes everyone of them to die.Then they get hold of the blue elixir that gives prolongued life.But several ships with engineers that where away from their planet when Weyland-Yutani wiped the population out,pursue them and manages to get the elixir back,but gets trapped on the planet where both parties crash.Then a battle takes place and the crew from Weyland-Yutani gets the elixir that gives them prolongued life for thousands of years,but they are now trapped on the planet,with no means to get anywhere.But then they see a light aproaching,but is the spaceship friends or foes ?
Definitely trying to tie everything together in one pitch, eh? The comics do introduce royal jelly addiction which I thought was a neat concept/reason to keep breeding the xenomorph.
@@workingmemories2213 There were only a handful made between the two films, the first two parts of Earth War being pretty decent, the third being pretty fucking awful. Personally I prefer most of what came after, like Salvation and Sacrifice, or the more recent Dead Orbit.
YES! lots of fans of the Alien franchise were upset at the prospect that Neil's movie was brought down by either Ridley? OR FOX? Or a combination!?! Remember as he was set to do that horrible Covenant movie? That not only made no sense ,but ruined the franchise even more!
This is the movie most die hard ALIEN fans wanted and Scott and the powers that be second guessed and screwed it up. I've always held out hope that the franchise could recover from the wrong turn of ALIEN 3 most of what came after, but as time goes on that hope has gradually been evaporating.😔
Ridley don’t have the power mate plus he was set to be excutive producer meaning he’d lose a pay day it’s all on fox . I don’t think fox ever had the intention of making this movie no script after 2 years only concept art and 10 page outline plus fox didn’t announce it blomkamp did along with weaver they used blomkamp to force Ridley to make a movie he didn’t want to he no intention of xenos being in that movie listen to interviews from 2012 he didn’t wNt xenos till the 3rd fox forced a rewrite with mandates course correcting when they didn’t need to fox covenant was always going to come out had multiple scripts sets cast and budget already set blomkamps didnt
I agree. Elysium was ok, but his blunt story and editing issues were starting to become apparent. On Chappie, wow total downfall from story, editing, and character decisions. Then, Demonic wow...What needed to happen is have a strong hand on his side as a producer to control him as Peter Jackson did in District 9, and an actual screenwriter to who he could pitch his ideas and break them down, and from there build a tight story. In retrospect, I'm glad the project didn't occur since had they gone ahead we might have faced a Terminator Dark Fate with James Cameron as a producer with Linda Hamilton and Arnold back. It looked promising, but once watching it your like WTF happened here. What should have happened is FOX had done Alien5 instead of those crap AVP films since Cameron was interested in producing it and Scott directing it. But now we are under mercy of Disney. Eek.
Great detailed breakdown and like your take on what the Alien 5 script could have been. You also have a great manner of speech and delivery of your vids, good job mate 👍I am still stunned at how badly mismanaged a great franchise like Alien has become. If interested, I made my OWN Aliens sequel ACHERON 😎 (up on my channel) I made it because Neill’s film never came to be and I wanted to realign the Alien Series back on track 💪
Thanks for your kind words! I'm going to check out your film right now. You're the second fan that had their own story for a sequel - it's great to see the passion come out and keep this stuff alive.
@@RollinBoy I felt bad for the protagonist, but was happy that the epilogue brought some happiness and closure. I assume the trio were clones and not synthetics? Or were they a hybrid?
@@workingmemories2213 Yeah I wanted justice for Jim Cameron's characters. The military unit are not 'Alien' Synthetics but are actually 'Blade Runner' Replicants (little hint at the end with the Tyrell logo on the phone) I would say they are 'experimental' replicants.
@@RollinBoy I was trying to figure out what the logo was... I knew there was significance... I probably shouldn't have tried to watch at work; should've waited until I got home to really focus. They seemed unnaturally stoic and confident; being a replicant of some kind makes more sense than over-confident military types. The photo of Michael Biehn playing guitar was priceless.
Neill Blomkamp is now doing a Gran Turismo movie. Gran Turismo. A racing simulation game. He should be doing Firebase. There is a lot of potential in a big budget Firebase feature film.
He had a thing going for him, that's for sure - just wasn't getting the commercial success needed to keep in the public eye. As I've said elsewhere, I think Oats Studio is where he gets to really flex his muscle.
*FUN FACT* Both Prometheus and Covenant were never intended to act as PREQUELS. Yes, originally Prometheus was intended to be a prequel. But when Lindelof was hired, he discussed with Ridley Scott that they should throw out the idea of making a prequel. Because he didn't want to be reduced to having to connect the dots with the previous Alien films. Ridley Scott agreed with Lindelof. And even stated that the concept of using the xenomorph as the driving force behind the movies was "done, cooked". And that they needed instead to focus on the Engineers. Which is what they ended up doing in Prometheus. This is the reason why Alien fans always run into trouble trying to connect Prometheus and Covenant to the OG films. Because they were never designed to be connected to those films. Instead, they were supposed to be seen as a REBOOT of the franchise. Set in the same universe but in an alternate timeline. A universe where the Xenomorphs had a different origin and purpose. And where the "Space Jockey" was no longer an elephant-looking alien. But instead it was a humanoid alien 100% based on the Anunnaki myth - the one you see often in those "Ancient Aliens" videos and that claim that humans were created by them. Anyway, I can still enjoy Prometheus for what it is: a failed but still entertaining reboot of the Alien franchise. Can't say the same about Covenant, tho. To sum it up.... Prometheus and Covenant are NOT prequels to the OG Alien films. But where instead intended to restart the franchise. To give it a "new spin". In hopes of reviving an IP that Ridley Scott felt that it had ran its course.
Yeah - Prometheus had some Alien grafted onto it because: recognizable IP and Covenant was their effort to dispel any confusion... which obviously blew up in their (our) faces. If you remove the Xeno stuff from Prometheus near the end you've got a decently solid film (and one of the only 3D films that actually kinda worked).
Well done Sir, well done indeed. You are a young man compared to me. Some of your generations have... less appreciation for the first two movies. I first saw Aliens at Midnight in a theater with maybe three other people scattered around- on the eve of its release. I have to say that I did need to remind myself I was watching a movie more than once. Aliens may even edge out The Wrath of Khan for all time greatest squeals... Nah- but it comes damn close. Riding home on a motorcycle at two in the morning, I had to control my urge to look up into every tree I passed under to see if there was a xenomorph trying to grab me. I kept thinking one minute you are fine and the next you are cocooned like Sargent Apone- waiting for a hatchling to burst through your chest. That was good movie making. But just like Star Trek Wrath of Khan, that was the high point of the series. The alien franchise has simply become more like a Junior year film project out of UC Berkley- better at "making statements" than being entertaining... All the same things are hashed out again. Corporate greed, evil businessmen, hapless military, more corporate greed, more evil businessmen, hapless military and oh yeah, some stuff with aliens and androids... Whatever. I gave up on the franchise after watching the third movie... Aliens had become a universe of waste, indeed a universal wasteland- just like every other moneymaking property in Hollywood. But wait, I just got a text message from the Hollywood Psychic! They are predicting that two or more movie studious will go into some form of bankruptcy soon or they will be merged after a leverage buyout, etc! Their second prediction? Someone like Elon Musk will buy up studios and turn them into what they should have always been- entertainment companies making good films. That's right folks, you heard it here first. Lets see if the Hollywood Pythic is right.
To be honest, Blompkamp shows enthusiasm for many projects but they get dropped for whatever reason. I was excited when he announced a movie adaptation of The Gone World, but it seems it won't happen either.
The Queen mech armor made me wonder if Blomkamp was drawing inspiration from the ATAX figure from the old Kenner action figure line. Such a waste that his vision got left by the wayside in order to focus on Ridley's narrative of the Xenomorph as we know it existing because David-8 went full "Daddy didn't love me!" and decided he needed to prove his superiority when it came to playing God. I would trade in both Prometheus and Covenant for Bloomkamp's film. Good video!
I heard from another commentator that Weaver had read the Hill/Giler script and blew them off straightaway. These are two of the three money-men (Gordon Carroll was the third) who tried to claim the original Alien script was theirs and not Dan O'Bannon's (RIP). If that was the case then I say good on you Ms. Weaver, I personally don't need Alien 5 that badly. Great video btw, it's going to be interesting to see how the new movie pans out.
I feel like the Hill/Giler script was either gonna be great or terrible and nowhere in between. They had an understanding of the material beyond “this looks cool.” I don’t need the film either - age has certainly mellowed me out, lol. I heard the new film was something Fede mentioned to Ridley years ago and it stuck… so maybe it’ll be neat?
They don't have to retcon anything and the cloning story could fit right in if they truly wanted to do so. They just have another group kidnap the characters from the Sulaco and replace their bodies with clones and send them on their way. It ends up being "too convenient" but this is what happens when you don't commit to canon. Personally, I think the Ripley character needs to be allowed to die. There are plenty of other characters in the universe that could be explored and utilized. They could also create a Ripley AI that is an expert on the Xenomorphs and goes through collecting data from other encounters, eventually being turned into an android that participates in the movie. Prometheus shows that the company can scan brain waves during sleep. They could certainly have collected 57 years of brain waves and additional while she was on the Sulaco and use that as the basis for the AI characters.
Neil has not made a good film since District 9. What makes anybody think his Alien sequel would be good? A new Alien is in production now. The real reason it has taken so long is the Fox/Disney situation.
He's the little engine that could. I'm still rooting for him (I say this, but I haven't watched his Oats stuff yet... that might either make or break my opinion of him).
Aliens set the bar so high for me nothing else reached that feeling for me. I did enjoy the other Alien movies but Aliens will always be one of my favorite movies.
Aliens is a tough act to follow up; which is why Fincher knew better than to try and replicate it. The failings of that follow-up film belong to Fox and Fox alone. I should probably do a list of “if you like x, then watch y” in order to find new recommendations and spread awareness to other films that you may enjoy just as much.
In Prometheus, you mean? It was the safe creative bet. I prefer weird bio-mechanical hybrid monstrosity, but modern movies spoon feed us. Ever played/seen footage of “Scorn”? You can get your fill of weird and uncompromising bio-mechanical grossness there.
Prometheus still holds up; and I’d you watch Comic Book Girl 19’s deep dive of it, you’ll appreciate it more. There was plenty cut from the screenplay that would have made the scientists far less idiotic.
Tough luck. I had to settle for Lynch's DUNE as a ten yrs old, having no idea ofc who Jodorowsky was or that Herbert's work would become one of my biggest influences as a writer, so who knows? Maybe someone's out there right now, cooking up a tale that puts the entire ALIEN canon to shame. I saw ALIEN 4 times the first week it hit theaters, and proudly proclaimed it to be my favorite film for many years. That all changed when I saw FURY ROAD. Stupid question: Why is someone as good at making film...and all that must entail...as DISTRICT 9 GUY letting anyone tell him what to do? Guy that skilled is best left to his own devices, I believe.
(I assume you're aware that Jodorowsky's Dune made Ridley and the writers aware of Giger, eh?) Fury Road is definitely great... haven't seen that one in awhile. Looking forward to Furiosa. I assume that his Oats Studio work is for that very reason - so he can do what the heck he wants without interference. It's his own tech. playground.
What also makes it even worse and what's also I'm so happy that Disney owns alien is the fact that Ridley Scott wanted replaced the xenomorph and just take the alien name and make his own franchise His TV show Raised by Wolves on HBO Max was a byproduct The future of alien That's just if that alien Covenant was successful He was going to fully took over the alien franchise and wanted to do alien sequels and prequels or what he wanted to go for on his franchise and honestly he's the reason why alien is buried and he is going to be the reason why that Disney is going to resurrected and every way possible In Disney We Trust alien and predator
He was only a producer on Raised by Wolves; not a writer etc. Thankfully... Season 1 ended so weirdly, I'm not even sure if I want to watch season 2. Not sure if you've seen Prey on Hulu - but at least we know the Predator franchise is in more capable hands now.
Alien And Aliens Two Classic Masterpieces Of Science Fiction And Papa Scott Had To Go Captain Ahab On Alien 5 Which I Thought Was Gonna Be The Apology For The Underrated Sequel Alien 3 Ridley And Mickey Decided Nope Alien Covenant Comes First And We All Know How That Turned Out!
It's truly sad that the wrong choice was made in favor of Scott's Alien: Covenant. I'd still like to hope that someday in the future Alien 5 will get put in the works to save the franchise, but at this point it just seems like it's for the best to let things die in peace. The movie that could've saved the franchise was thrown away and the movie that they went with proved to be a nail in the coffin. Thanks Fox.
alien covenant was better than alien 2 imo. i studied molecular biology at university and deeply enjoyed the science fiction, mystery, and universe expansion by Prometheus and covenant.
Should have gone the small screen route years ago. A corporate espionage thriller set in the ALIEN universe would have been pretty dope. Tell the story over 5 seasons, 8 to 10 episodes per.
As much as I would love an Alien 5 movies with Ripley, Hicks and Newt I don’t think this would have been great, it looks a little too comic book style with those stupid alien mech suits 😏
Alien mech suits probably would have been dumb... but I love mechs and robots and such, so I would have likely been fine with it. I feel like he probably saw them as a logical extension of the powerloader, but who knows.
Enough with the waiting, Netflix should just buy the franchise and do a Netflix series. Seriously IT CANT GET ANY WORSE! lol 😂 Aliens -David, Aliens-Engineers, Aliens- Mech wars, Aliens - Marine wars, Aliens - Predator wars, Aliens- AI wars, etc
I believe Ridley Scott to be a brilliant director/filmmaker , but, he seems to have a toxic effect on several projects he has become involved in. Ultimately, A5 did not get made because he was not happy, simple as. A5 has potential , and the Blomkamp presence has merit. He can make it work, but will he ever get the chance to shine once again? , who knows. We live in hope. Maybe one day.
There's a great interview where Scott asserts his stance on Deckard being a replicant, and his only retort is basically 'it's mine and I can do whatever I want' despite the fact that the writer and Ford himself vehemently disagree. I love how the issue was side-stepped in 2049.
Aliens Labyrinth didn't get a mention when referencing good dark horse stories?! It's the most horrific nightmare fueled Alien story I've read to date. That is saying something as it was made way back in the early 90's. The shit it depicts when victims get captured in a hive is pure terror.
I spotted that book and Nightmare Asylum as a child whilst I was looking for X-Men comics. They wrecked me; I had no idea the stories had continued after the movies. I could have picked more but I had to draw the line somewhere, unfortunately.
i like alien 3, love the Eliot Goldenthal soundtrack score, it's kind of got that trad 50s vibe to it, i often think those first 3 films follow the same structure as the Snglo Saxon saga of Beowulf, in the first part the monster rips through the food hall, in the second part, you get to meet Grendals mother, and the last part involving the death of of the main hero is some tatty low-fi run in with a random dragon, i think the franchise should have ended there, there was some real quality actors in it too, and none of those characters was sympathetic in any degree, so i'm sticking up for it, and so what if the special effects are a bit ropey, it's a sci fi flick...rubber suits and strings attached, the newer cut version is a better film, than the theatrical release, i also think it's a great story about film making of itself,
Alien 3 is easy to bypass, its just a dream from long cryo sleep because the face hugger started making noises trying to get into the pod before it died of hunger. Then what is alien 4, you get a little back story on ripley sure, but she was a clone, with messed up memory. Gene splicers did a bit of snip snip when it came to the details of alien 5..
Hopefully sarcasm? Now that Disney/Marvel has the brand, they have been releasing new comics... I should probably check those out, what I've seen has been pretty neat.
@@workingmemories2213 The Marvel Alien Comics absolutely blow, traced art and really trashy writing, the Titan Books Novels have a few excellent entries though. Cold Forge, Into Charybdis and Phalanx among them.
This is truly a dead dream now that Sigourney has openly stated she's done with Ripley and the Alien films. Ridley and Fox completely screwed what would have likely been a far more enjoyable experience based on its conceptual design, and the passion involved.
Prometheus and covenant are the 2nd & 3rd best movies after the original imo. they beautifully expand the universe, add intrigue, and have a strong science fiction foundation.
Very easy to go wrong with a new installment if script and acting sucks.. let's pray Romulus is a darn strong one so there's even a future to talk about after.
Fans still haven’t been given an Aliens Origins movie, were the unanswered question of where the Aliens originally came from. That is to say, what exoplanet did they originate from? What alien society bred them and why? Lastly, how did the Aliens get off of this exoplanet and travel throughout the galaxy? Tom Sisson
You’re gonna have to create that one in the theatre of your mind… ‘cause as of right now, the origin of the Xenomorph as we know it was created in David’s murder cave 🤦🏻♂️
They could try something new. For example not starting over for the fifth time with new characters almost nobody's gonna like. Or they could even go as far as picking up what Blomkamp started. Two - yet not tried - ways to aim for a franchise hit again - it's been a long time since 1986. :)
I'm perfectly fine that Blomkamp's Alien 5 was never made as the story was nothing new or exciting to begin with. Not only was it set on Earth (a big no-no in my book) but it even had a similar climax to James Cameron's Aliens with Ripley donning a Xenomorph suit, much like the robot suit she used to wrestle the enormous queen at that movie's climax. Of course, the usual obsequious flatterers would've declared the movie a huge success just like they did with The Force Awakens, only to realize 3 or 4 years later that they'd fallen for the hype and that the movie was average at best.
A continuation from resurrection would be good, it seems like a good idea, Ripley Cal dynamic, corporate greed, humans punished for not changing thier behavior
SO THATS WHY I LOVED ALL OF METROID SO VERY MUCH!!!!!!! AND I DID LLOOVVEE IT! (This series along with early Terminator 1&2) my favourite films of all time... and I'm 43 now.) And yes they should have kept going with the TSCC. Or start them up AGAIN!
If you do some deep dives on Metroid, you’ll see how far the Alien connection goes. There are some excellent videos on CZcams, which is why I didn’t make an extended Metroid section (my videos tend to be long enough as is 😬). I wish the show would continue, but I know that’s never gonna happen. They were supposed to make a Sarah, Connor Chronicles movie, but that never came to fruition… Maybe one day the show runner will continue the series in comic form; that would be the only financially plausible way.
@@montanab1099 I dont know man. I think many fans want the same movie style copy pasted over and over. Look at predator franchise, after you reveal what a predator is, you cannot keep making same style of movie and make it great. none of the predator movies after the original where very good or great. you need to take risks, expand, innovate.
"Alien" fans: Where is the Xenomorph home planet? Ridley Scott: That's so 1979, my "highly evolved Bender Bending Rodriguez with a GOD complex" is it! "Alien" fans: So you're Kathleen Kennedy or J.J. Abrams, now?
they seem to just be completely unable to finish what they started, Alien: Awakening or whatever it was suppose to be called should be finished and a complete trilogy or the "David" trilogy will be complete.
It wasn't just FOX who dropped the ball, it was Ridley Scott's - shit canning of Blomkamp, due to him wanting to do more films in the ALIEN franchise! Both Prometheus and Covenant, at least it had Xenomorphs were poorly written films in comparison to the previous 4 ALIEN films!
i heard recently that it may not have even been neils idea, as a friend showed him a screenplay he'd wrote years ago, and apparently neil had saw it and decided to adapt it's plot for alien 5. so technically alien 5, or alot of neils other works may actually be derivative of other works, and he's choosing not to release these works or ideas because of 'reasons' if you catch my drift. a good example to lead evidence to this was him doing all those short films with movie plot ideas shortly after alien 5 was officially shuttered.
I’m okay with that - most directors aren’t writers, and some that do write really shouldn’t (not past the initial draft, anyways). I’d hope that he would at least credit the other creative person or acknowledge them, I’d this were the case. He was supposed to do a Halo thing forever ago, and I think Oats is his way of getting all these things out of his system, so to speak. Alternatively, he may be more of a technology/style guy like Cameron… Cameron’s writing/ideas have always come under scrutiny (Harlan Ellison, anyone? Lol).
I bet Neil is angry that a new Alien movie is being made and he's not directing it. Neil's concept art looked amazing I would have liked to have seen his version of Alien 5 or Aliens with Hicks Ripley and Newt back
the greatest failure of the entire Alien franchise is undoubtedly "Alien 3" the death of Newt Hicks Bishop & Ripley cannot be forgiven. So we are forced to go back, back into the comics and the stories where the lives of those lost are still very much intertwined & a part of the Alien story.
Believe it or not it's not 100% Fox on this one. Ridley Scott pitched his idea for his god awful Prometheus nonsense and they decided to go with that instead.
Tbf because its fair to say in truth ever since Prometheus the Alien fandom has been divided. You have some "Alien Fans" who do like the ideas and themes Ridley Scott explored in his Alien prequel, sure that film has dumb scientists, although it can be argued that "Peter Weyland" was a superstitious man, who basically wanted to keep whatever "Tutankanen" great discovery he came across, entirely to himself. Paranoid certain highly skilled and professional types could sell out, and ultimately betray him once they got back to earth; Weyland is specific in just hiring some low-level, average Joe type employees in their respective fields in this particular not too distant future, so that they will just have more of this "do the job get paid" kind of attitude. Or atleast that's how those characters all came across to me. But above all prometheus did help to really open up the whole lore of the Alien franchise, it had good solid world-building, add alot of depth to the origins of the ancient Xenomorph. The movie itself just could have really done with a much better, tighter script I.e. basically not having Lindelof's involvement whatsoever, so I will say Ridley screwed up there. BUT it cannot be denied! I don't care what kind of fan you are, prometheus showed us that there are simply TWO very Different types of *Alien Fan*. There's the Alien fans who really luv that further, deeper exploration into the whole lore of the Xenomorph, and how it came to be, rested in its forever stasis on that planet old LV-426. Those fans love all that stuff, the mystery, and just subtly exploring all of that; NOT blowing open every single goddamn detail, but just delving further into all that stuff, while still retaining all that suspense and atmosphere. What I always found interesting with Prometheus and Alien is the idea of one ancient Alien race of "biengs", stumbling across a whole other very ancient "alien" race, or Alien creature that is far beyond even them. Then you have us "Human Biengs" kind of caught up, in the middle of that. But I digress, so you then have the other types of *Alien fan*. The ones who don't really appreciate all that mystery, or any kind of further exploration of the Xenomorph & Space Jockey lore. They just kind of almost romanticize the whole "Colonial Marines" humans. The badass military figures, "we come in, we kick ass and we goin get sum. That's right, you want to go and get sum." That kind of gung ho mitary hardened unit, going up against hordes of Xenos, "absolutely badass!" "You secure that shit Hudson! Somebody wake up Hicks." LOL. I mean it is cool I muv Apone and the Colonial Marines, they do look frickin awesome, I remember seeing the dropshop come down and the APC just rolls out, all that stuff. This is the thing, you see I'm a passionate Alien fan and I can actually appreciate BOTH of what these two different kind of Alien Films have to offer. It's obvious "Aliens" is more of a rip-roaring, roller coaster of a ride, more heavily focused on Action with respectable levels of violence and gore thrown in. I mean these are Xenos were talking about. Fast, agile creatures, blood for acid, uniquely very strong and can seriously mess you up. In Scott's og "Alien 1979" masterpiece, that scene where the Xeno just grabs Parker I mean he's a cool character because even though he comes across as though he hates Ripley early on and he's only there for a nice big paycheck. Once shit gets real Parker steps up, he completely ally with Ripley and he tries to save Lambert from the Alien. He just gets killed up bad, Xeno teeth-bursts his frickin head. But then what it does to Lambert, the masterful way in which Ridley Scott shoots that whole scene, and he never actually shows any kind of penetration in Lambert, he just gives you enough, the shot of that tail, looking like a phallus slowly going up between her legs, and Veronica Cartwright, I mean holy shit, her whole performance of just true, raw Fear through the film and especially in that scene of her death. I gotta say as a kid if arnd 9 or 10 staying up watching Alien late. And I mean I'd been consuming alot of 80s neo/cyberpunk style Anime back then too, Genocyber and the Gyver. So at the point of Lambert's death and it then cuts away to her horrible blood-curdling screams echoing. I always imagined this image that stuck with me afterward, of the Xenomorph just forcing it's exoskeleton bone-like tail right up into Lambert, and all the way through her insides, basically physically ripping her whole body apart at that point. Sounds really nasty I know, but that's just the power of really good directing skill, imagination of how to set up a scene, tension and extreme violence without ever actually showing any real graphic details.
Cont - but yeh there are those other Alien fans who ever since Jim Cameron's Aliens just want that kind of exhilarating action and nothing much else. I'm the kind of rare Alien fan who is able to appreciate BOTH of what ALIEN & ALIENS gave us, because they are two very different types of Alien Film. I just only wish 20th Century Fox studios at the time Niel Blomkamp pitched his "Alien 5" idea, would have basically had a good talk to Ridley Scott, and encouraged him and Blomkamp to actually COLLABORATE! Because at that point *Outside Input* was desperately needed. Even though Ridley Scott is this genius director who truly did help define the Sci Fi Horror Genre, and basically made the Alien franchise what it is, just like George Lucas, Spielberg and basically every 'Master' of their Craft; over time you do need some fresh talent to come in and kind of take over. And I truly feel Blomkamp was that guy, BUT only with Ridley's guidance, the two basic teaming up. This is what I strongly believe SHOULD HAVE BEEN! I think Blomkamp AND Ridley should have co-wrote the Sequel to Scott's "Prometheus". Call it - *Alien Covenant* cause that is a cool title imo. But actually make it a nice blend of tense, suspense. Actually provide us fans Real ANSWERS to the previous installment of Prometheus. Who were the Engineers? What were they ultimately trying to do with the Xeno eggs? Why did they plan somekind of assimilation, or propagation of the human race? And HOW exactly did that "outbreak" occur on LV-223!? Was it spectacular, drastic error on the part of the Engineers themselves, where one of them 'accidently' goes and let's out the black goo viralization of that whole temple/facility. OR Was it somekind of purposeful "Sabotage" on the part of one of these own, a kind of Rogue Engineer who did what they did as a way of preventing that mission to earth; stopping something that they didn't believe in. Maybe due to them forming a bond with the very early civilizations of Man, they had originally been tasked with teaching, imparting 'knowledge' to. The very *Prometheus* who stole Fire and gave to man and was eternally punished for afterward. Thus how that Rogue Engineer ended up, I mean the one fossilised to his chair in his "Derelict" *Juggernaut* Spacecraft, with a apparent Xeno burst from his chest. Coincidentally Symbolic almost, to the very myth of the titan *Prometheus*, whose punishment for giving fire to humans, was being chained to a rock and having crows eat their liver eternally. But I digress I'm possibly looking way too much into all of this. That's just the kind of *Alien Fan* I am, I can see all the potential here where maybe others don't want to. I just wish if they could have made Covenant to have a balance of maybe those of us Fans answers to Prometheus; then made in the second half maybe delve into alot of balls-to-the-wall ACTION, and gory violence and carnage. We could have had a Military Investigation team that was sent out to find out what happened to the Prometheus mission, they end up picking up a signal that they track to the location of the Covenant Planet instead. So instead of that stupid Colonist group of characters we got in Covenant; David has basically led this military team to the planet he has been stuck on for the past 10 years. And this is where the carnage ensues. It would be a way to achieve BOTH elements of what these two differing sides of our ALIEN FANBASE have wanted. Prometheus fans get their ANSWERS, in Shaw, who in a Prologue opening scene, arrives at the Covenant planet, and before David unleashes the black goo weapon on the unsuspecting enginner populace. He plays it clever, just like when he led his Maker to the last surviving Engineer ( and basically to his doom). David leads Shaw to meet the Enginner Elders, and we see David act as a translator between the Elders and Shaw. And Shaw recieves some dark truths from these Elders. That they originally were carefully helping spearhead the early Human Race to Sentience. Popping back every Century, checking in on how *Humanity* was progressing. And every time the Engineers would leave in their colossal ships, they would use their ships to create a specific formation in earth's skies. This was done to kind of etch into the early humans minds, this configuration of circles in the sky; ofwhich the Engineers had done with the assurance once Humanity had progressed enough over time, they would come to understand this configuration as a kind of "Star Map", where they would one day take to the skies, to space and venture out to meet their makers. This is what Holloway & Shaw found, one of many of these hieroglyphs, murals and ancient cave paintings of the early human civilizations who had originally came into contact with the Engineers. And this is what the Elders explain to Elizabeth Shaw, then they get into where it all went horribly wrong. As human beings were slowly progressing and learning, they eventually discovered the capacity for WAR. Man began killing his brother, over stupid infantile things such as "Land", then power. The Engineers on their last visit we're gravely disappointed with what they saw. Man was now regressing now growing. Stuck in this infancy of fighting with himself. The Engineers are a race of Humanoid Alien Beings, far beyond the silly ideals of "War", fighting over land, materials, resources. Engineers are physically very strong, yet when you see that lastcsurvivng Engineer that was awoken from his 2000 year cryo sleep, he attacks the humans only when it appears he becomes offended by what the elderly, arrogant and delusional Peter Weyland is asking of him - immortality. Its evident the Engineers can live very long lifespans, possibly for some thousands of years. So IF they were "Immortal", why would they even need Cryosleep chambers? This is what I find interesting in how that last surviving Engineer of the 223 outbreak only got violent after he learned of what Weyland was after. And then when he gets violent, he's not throwing punches, has no "guns" in the conventional sense. He just uses very basic pushes, and throws, still more than enough to kill the humans. It is from here that Shaw realises what had occurred. The Engineers had basically given up on Humanity, they viewed them as a failed experiment that simply needed to be wiped out, and possibly start again. And so they executed the mission on LV-223, of a covert of Engineers to head to Earth and unload a payload of their bioweapon, the "Black Good" viral bombs, synthesised from the original DNA of the ancient Xenomorph creature that they the Engineers discovered. From here they could of had the Elders kill Shaw, or maybe this is when David flees back to the ship and unleashes the black goo vir bombs wiping out the Engineers. Cut to 10 yrs later, and that's where you have some Colonial Marine types, maybe a investigative team, who pick up a signal and it leads them to the Covenant homeworld. There's just loads they could have done that could have satisfied BOTH sides of this Fanbase. But you end it where the whole human characters all die fighting David's Xenos, absolutely NO subverting the lore by making David the "Creator" of the Xenos cause that's just epically stupid. But you basically establish that David only "replicated" the original ancient Xenomorphic lifeforms were all familiar with, and he came quite close I'm it's similarity. At the end maybe you could have a twist where Shaw is actually still alive, and Daivd had basically kept her in a cryo pod, possibly for some further devious plans he has to do with the xenos. From here, they could have then showed how David escaped the planet in one of the military task force ships, out somewhere into space, possibly even that "Origae-6" destination. Then you would jump years into the future, and Ridley would pass on the reigns to Neil Blomkamp, and Fox allow him to make his ALIEN 5 movie, a sequel to Cameron's original "Aliens" movie. Picking up on Ripley, Newton & Hicks, from all this awesome concept art. I mean it's just Criminal Fox not going with Neil's movie, he was really introducing some cool new ideas and concepts. Then they could have seen how Neil's movie fared, and then brought back in David & Shaw, I'm a movie set after the events of Blomkamp's film. I guarantee IF the Fox studio had done something like that, ALL US FANS would be united back on the same level and absolutely loving this whole direction for the franchise.
I am old enough to remember that there were rumors about Alen 5, and I have seen those draft pictures, and Sigourney with that mask...And I hoped that I will watch that film...Alas...
@@workingmemories2213 Then again, if the idea and the draft are there, Cailee Spaeny, that new excellent actress can take that role, Sigourney is way too old, but why not use some new actress... I already heard that she might be in that new Alien movie.
Actually not in to the cartoons. I’m not naive enough to think Disney can do anything but mess up this franchise. I think you do a great job on the content and appreciate you putting it out there .
@@dwaynelepley1103 I guess it was anime and done prior to the acquisition; probably doesn’t “align with their brand” at the moment. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it!
I blame Ridley Scott he's the one that wanted to have his own Alien movies And no one else could have touch alien if that movie got off the ground it would have stolen every hype that Ridley Scott's prequel movies Was doing Ridley Scott wanted to do prequels and sequels to his own alien movie and honestly I really really am thank God that Disney bought 20th Century Fox because honestly I would have never accepted a single movie Under the hands of 20th Century Fox or Ridley Scott
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What could have been, it makes you a little sad to see them (FOX) given the keys to the kingdom & just wreck it all to hell...
They tend to lose the keys between the couch cushions pretty often.
I think fox never had the intention to make this film reason why I believe this is fox never announced it weaver and blomkamp did I believe they used blomkamp to make Ridley bend the knee when I watch covenant it feels in even because fox’s studio mandate and Ridley still trying to get his stuff In. Covenant was always going to come out it had a script beyond the 10 page outline also had sets and a budget already set aside how did blomkamp not make it past a 10 page outline or concept art In a two year span
Then fox sold themselves to Disney.
Fox is run by scum, just look at fox news.
@@jimbowlan5804 I think it's more likely that Ridley may have wanted to make another Alien movie for quite some time, but was pretty clueless on how to do it. Then Blomkamp presented his idea for a movie and Ridley managed to insert himself into Blomkamp's project, only to destroy it from within, at the same time picking up ideas from Blomkamp. The almost endless list of writers re-writing what was supposedly Ridley's script, suggests that that script might have been heavily based on Blomkamp's ideas and in hindsight Ridley wanted those gone, to erase the fact that they came from Blomkamp, resulting in the Prometheus mess.
First horror I watched was Alien, I got on the VCR tape, when I had 12 years. From then on, alien universe had special place in my heart.
Alien + VHS = ❤️
@DonkavisionResurrection was my first theatrical Alien film… and yeah, that’s pretty much correct.
same here and boy do i shit my pants^^
Im ok with bypassing Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection...if and only if...Alien 5 rocks and is true to the core material. Period.
I don’t think fox ever had the intention of releaseing alien 5 heres what makes me believe that. Fox never announced it blumkamp did and all we got In 2 years was just concept art no sets no budget. Iam convinced they used Blumkamp to make Ridley bend the knee cause covenant wasn’t what he wanted
I have no interest in seeing a continuation of the ALIEN 2 story with Hicks and Newt surviving. Sure ALIEN 3 sucked, and later sequels sucked worse, but bringing back the cast of ALIENS just seems dumb
Alien - LET IT GO!
Robocop - LET IT GO!
Star Trek - LET IT GO!
Terminator - LET IT GO!
Babylon 5 - DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!
😂 they’ll come for Babylon 5 one day… it’s only a matter of time.
@@workingmemories2213 Are THEY not going to remake it thow?
@@aliendoggy1Yeah, remake it into a pile. Why do people think they can improve on a classic?
@@Leondrius I Think also its the same creators!
Idk man I think I need a new B5 story that show was ended to early for me lol
I am still so sad about this. It is the greatest What Could Have Been. Star Trek: Picard Season 3 has shown that older actors/characters can deliver satisfying and lucrative returns. They should still give Sigourney Weaver, Michael Biehn, and Neill Blomkamp a chance to make this. Limited episode streaming series/miniseries if that seems less risky than a theatrical release (but YOU KNOW this would make HUGE money at the box office, there is no question).
Season 3 had the benefit of showrunner who was familiar with the material (Terry Matalas, as opposed to Alex Kurtzman) so it's possible that Neill could have pulled it off nearly a decade ago... Michael Biehn did have a stroke at one point and has since recovered, so that could have put a damper on things for awhile as well.
One problem, Neill Blomkamp's a hack, and the nuclear family from Aliens needed to be stamped out in my opinion, just does not fit with what I want from Alien.
@@BlueMarsalis then you would have gotten to keep Alien 3 and any What if's shouldn't have bothered ya :P
It would have bothered me though, because then they would have most likely followed on from that garbage.
I think that ship has sailed sadly. Biehn had a couple of strokes a few years ago and if you watch him in interviews he kind of lisps now and seems (understandably) frailer now. It’s a shame, but we can’t outrun the clock it seems.
Scott needs to relinquish his crown as a Legend and move aside for the new breed.
This video is proof enough that Scott's not needed.
10/10 for this👌
Like Lucas, Burton etc. he needs people to reign him in occasionally... people that just say "yes" to these directors aren't doing them (or the audience) any favors.
This franchise should be in the hands of someone who deeply loves it
Unfortunately, it's in the hands of the House of Mouse.
Just like the Witcher, LotR, Predator, Robocop, DCEU, MCU, etc. Well, hollywood is shit.
Sigourney has stated that she's done with Ripley, which is really sad as I certainly think this film would have been the best way to resolve Ripley's story. If this project somehow ever came back and Sigourney decided to join in, I hope that it's a live-action film (though I wouldn't mind a full-CG film, like how Blomkamp's Oats Studios did a short film called Off The Grid - Switcher that uses it). But, since the House of Mouse has the franchise now, it's safe to say the chances of there being another good Alien film, especially one that this could have likely been, is not likely.
If I ever get enough money to buy the Alien Franchise...
I got a good story and set of movies that would not only get the timeline in proper order...
But give a proper ending to the "Ripley" story and open it up for more stories later.
I literally have it mapped out.
It does involve Ellen waking up next to Hicks (she's married to now) and him asking which dream was it this time?
Referring to Alien 3 and 4 as "Cryosleep nightmares" she had which still linger to a degree.
That removes those two movies as a part of the storyline.. but keeps them (in a weird way).
Her rescuing her daughter, Amanda, who I would have stuck in her own cryosleep in orbit around Origae-6 (where the Covenant went), is pivotal.
I even finally, got a movie idea explaining what happens to the original David (not the David-upload-to-Walter one) and Daniels.
Their fight causes the Juggernaut to crash on LV-426... with the eggs that David "Grew" (they were not laid by anything).
You’re gonna need some Disney money to snatch the brand from the Mouse 😂
After Prometheus, Tyler Perry wanted to create his own sci-fi film as a response (he wasn’t pleased with the film). Ya might want to pitch your series to him; he’s got a full on production company and everything. I definitely think that the “other” Alien 5 was gonna be a dream within a dream kinda thing.
Lmao, "it's all about family" what a farce. Sounds like awful fanfic.
I have mixed feelings about this project. I adore the Alien series including all Alien films. Each one adds something new and fresh to the lore. All Neill films look the same. I really can't imagine Alien 5 looking like Elysium/District 9/Chappie. Plus some arts for this project were absolutely God-awful. Just look at facehuggers' new design! The idea of ignoring the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection was so lazy and idiotic. Despite that I was still curious about Alien 5 and I'd watch it anyway.
He at least came up with the best way to make sense of Alien's derelict and Pilot... biomechanically grown and schizophrenically mutated, like with H. R. Geiger's paintings.
According to rumours from the script writers,Neill Blomkamp movie was about the Sulaco ship
drifting in space after the emergencypods were released.On the ship there were a xenomorph
hidden in the lower basement of the spaceship.After fifty years they are detected by another
ship bringing colonists to a new terraformed planet for humans.They send in two robots to
investigate.They find traces of dna in the ships database,and clones Hicks,Ripley and Newt.
But as clones they don't remember anything of the events that took place in the alien3 movie.
When they arrive at the colonists destinyplanet,the xenomorph starts to lay eggs.
Then all humans on the planets are attacked and a war breaks out.Ripley,Hicks and Newt manages to
escape in a spaceship they find in a cave. It is a engineer spaceship that takes them to the
engineers homeplanet called"Paradise".But when they have left the spaceship,a deacon crawls out
and makes a cliffhanger for a followup movie 😀
My idea for an Alien5 movie is as follows:
It takes place after alien4 and takes places on an earth in ruins.
TheRipleyClone has transformed into an entity that is producing eggs,and a lot of humans are affected,and
a war breaks out.They have to use a nuke on the swarms of xenomorphs and decidedes to travel
to the planet where they think the xenomorphs orginate from.There they find there are multiple
forms of xenomorphs.They manages to form a clone of a xenomorph that is able to communicate with them.
And a peace is established.
But as allways Weyland-Yutani has spies that want the xenomorph for their biological weapon program.
And it is a surprice who the spy is. And that Weyland-Yutami has a lab on a spacestation not far from the xenomorph
planet. Where they finds forms of xenomorphs that noone has seen before.
The excitement I felt when I was a teen in the mid 2010’s hearing about Alien 5. Only for it to fizzle out and fade away. Being a kid in the early to mid 2000’s with the first 2 Halo games and seeing Aliens for the first time left a lasting impact on me since how much was taken from the first 2 films to create halo. I would watch Aliens multiple times a year as a kid. Colonial Marines is a guilty pleasure for me and I prefer to follow it largely for my own head cannon. I hate both resurrection and alien 3 but at least hicks survived in A:CM.
It just pains me learning about all the films abandoned. William Gibson’s Alien 3 would’ve honestly made it a contender for which film is my favorite of the first 3 films especially since I love neuromancer and johnny mnemonic. it will forever pain me that Neils film was canned. I largely blame Ridley but even then it was his vision that created my favorite film blade runner which helped birth the cyberpunk genre which leaves me bittersweet in the end.
I always found his ideas for the Alien universe kinda... subdued? His imagination is far greater than what he put to paper for the franchise; I think he tried to ground it a little too much.
thnx for all the work that went into this, happy alien day!
You're welcome!
They could cgi all of this and have voice acting. I'd love it
Problem is blomkamp is not a box office draw and his film looked ambitious it would have to have a massive budget and blomkamps films do better over seas not domestically and they run the risk of pissing multiple groups this film would have had to do around Prometheus numbers which is possible but based off of his track record not likely
An animated alien movie would be amazing
fucck NO... CGI is shite...
We had never been to the video store before. One of four kids, so...four VHS cassettes hired. I selected Alien. Great memories!
Yeah the problem is that more often then not Scott has taken solely credit for Alien, and not only do others play into this but ignore the actual creators in Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett. And if it wasn't for these 2 guys and the beautiful work of H. R. Giger there'd be no Alien franchise. His ego was so big he felt he had the right to stop Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5, and the studio went along with it in order for Scott to try to turn Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett beautiful Aliens series into another Blade Runner. I mean come on, the fan's wanted it and the actors who played Ripley, Hicks, Newt and Bishop all were excited to do it. But the studio put it on hold cause Scott wanted his movies to come out first. I don't think there will be a 3rd movies, and since the guy is taking so long the Alien 5 was dropped altogether.
In all fairness, I would have wanted to see a proper sequel to Prometheus before the proposed Alien 5... it's unfortunate that the script they went with for A:C ensured that all interest in the brand would be snuffed out.
You're absolutely right about the writers and Giger's art; Scott had excellent source material to work with and the one instance of studio notes actually worked in our favor (Ash was a network decision). He was the tool that brought their work to life and not vice-versa.
@@workingmemories2213 I did like Prometheus and they were beautifully done, but as part of Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett Alien series they were bad. So I look at them as their own universe and not cannon to the series.
I was kinda with you till your he brought their work to life and not vice-versa. Scott was just the director and didn't write the story or the screen play, and didn't create the Alien or the visuals. His not James Cameron who did most of the work for Aliens, and showed that anyone can do what Scott did. Hell Scott wasn't even the original guy they wanted to direct, he was like the third or fourth choice. So I'd say if it wasn't for these 3 men, Scott would of had nothing and not vice-versa.
I'm with you 💯 on all of this! Born in 77 and lived in dull suburbia so trips to the vid store was the highlight of the week. Kids these days have No idea! I remember playing an "Aliens" game on my old apple computer from the mid 80's. I look at Alien and Aliens as one full movie. The greatest movie of All time!!!
Ripley already destroyed herself to save humanity from the xenomorphs (Alien 3) It was a great wrap-up for the character!
Until it was completely undone by Joss Whedon/Fox. I also wish they’d left her there.
@@workingmemories2213 me too. A3 really was an epic, noble finale for Ripley, completely satisfying.
Except that we were led there by a plot hole.
Yes, but the aliens were all defeated in Aliens (1986).
My idea for an alien tv-series is as follows: It takes places just before the events in the first alien movie and happens on a planet near where the nostromo spaceship
is shipping ore.Weyland-Yutani is on the planet and have terraformed it for years,when they discovers a cave with lots of xenomorph eggs.
One of them get's infected and a xenomorph is born. It turns out to be a queen,and a lot of the Weyland-Yutani humans are infected and then
a war breaks out.All the humans on the planet are wiped out and only a few manage to escape in a spaceship.Then they nuke the planet from orbit.
Then Weyland-Yutani regrets the decision and a hunt for the xenomorph begins.They get a tip that there's a crashed spaceship on lv426 and sends
the robot Ash on the Nostromo spaceship.But they are informed that the mission has failed and that Nostromo has gone missing.Then Weyland-Yutani get's
a tip about an xenomorph on Fiorina161 and sends a team of researchers there.They finds a surviving prisoner that is impreagnated and a queen is born.
Weyland-Yutani then wants to use the xenomorphs on the planets where the engineers are located because they want the technology to seed planets with life.
They also want the elixir that provides humans with prolongued life.After they have managed to give birth to a flock of xenomorphs,they drops them
on an engineer planet and causes everyone of them to die.Then they get hold of the blue elixir that gives
prolongued life.But several ships with engineers that where away from their planet when Weyland-Yutani wiped the
population out,pursue them and manages to get the elixir back,but gets trapped on the planet where both parties
crash.Then a battle takes place and the crew from Weyland-Yutani gets the elixir that gives them prolongued life
for thousands of years,but they are now trapped on the planet,with no means to get anywhere.But then
they see a light aproaching,but is the spaceship friends or foes ?
Definitely trying to tie everything together in one pitch, eh? The comics do introduce royal jelly addiction which I thought was a neat concept/reason to keep breeding the xenomorph.
@@workingmemories2213 It was first a comics then it became a movie ?
@@parmadacruz8755 No, the comics all started after Aliens and before Alien 3 there was a massive amount of comics made by Dark Horse.
@@workingmemories2213 There were only a handful made between the two films, the first two parts of Earth War being pretty decent, the third being pretty fucking awful.
Personally I prefer most of what came after, like Salvation and Sacrifice, or the more recent Dead Orbit.
What a great video I love the alien franchise. You earned a sub !
Thanks so much!
YES! lots of fans of the Alien franchise were upset at the prospect that Neil's movie was brought down by either Ridley? OR FOX? Or a combination!?! Remember as he was set to do that horrible Covenant movie? That not only made no sense ,but ruined the franchise even more!
This is the movie most die hard ALIEN fans wanted and Scott and the powers that be second guessed and screwed it up. I've always held out hope that the franchise could recover from the wrong turn of ALIEN 3 most of what came after, but as time goes on that hope has gradually been evaporating.😔
Ridley don’t have the power mate plus he was set to be excutive producer meaning he’d lose a pay day it’s all on fox . I don’t think fox ever had the intention of making this movie no script after 2 years only concept art and 10 page outline plus fox didn’t announce it blomkamp did along with weaver they used blomkamp to force Ridley to make a movie he didn’t want to he no intention of xenos being in that movie listen to interviews from 2012 he didn’t wNt xenos till the 3rd fox forced a rewrite with mandates course correcting when they didn’t need to fox covenant was always going to come out had multiple scripts sets cast and budget already set blomkamps didnt
Blomkamp has proven to be a one hit wonder. His Alien film would most likely have been a big disappointment.
There have been diminishing returns for sure, but I haven’t seen his Oats Studio stuff yet - I feel that’s where he likely shines. 🤞
I agree. Elysium was ok, but his blunt story and editing issues were starting to become apparent. On Chappie, wow total downfall from story, editing, and character decisions. Then, Demonic wow...What needed to happen is have a strong hand on his side as a producer to control him as Peter Jackson did in District 9, and an actual screenwriter to who he could pitch his ideas and break them down, and from there build a tight story. In retrospect, I'm glad the project didn't occur since had they gone ahead we might have faced a Terminator Dark Fate with James Cameron as a producer with Linda Hamilton and Arnold back. It looked promising, but once watching it your like WTF happened here. What should have happened is FOX had done Alien5 instead of those crap AVP films since Cameron was interested in producing it and Scott directing it. But now we are under mercy of Disney. Eek.
Great detailed breakdown and like your take on what the Alien 5 script could have been. You also have a great manner of speech and delivery of your vids, good job mate 👍I am still stunned at how badly mismanaged a great franchise like Alien has become.
If interested, I made my OWN Aliens sequel ACHERON 😎 (up on my channel)
I made it because Neill’s film never came to be and I wanted to realign the Alien Series back on track 💪
Thanks for your kind words! I'm going to check out your film right now. You're the second fan that had their own story for a sequel - it's great to see the passion come out and keep this stuff alive.
@@workingmemories2213 no prob mate, hope you enjoy my little film 😎
@@RollinBoy I felt bad for the protagonist, but was happy that the epilogue brought some happiness and closure. I assume the trio were clones and not synthetics? Or were they a hybrid?
@@workingmemories2213 Yeah I wanted justice for Jim Cameron's characters. The military unit are not 'Alien' Synthetics but are actually 'Blade Runner' Replicants (little hint at the end with the Tyrell logo on the phone) I would say they are 'experimental' replicants.
@@RollinBoy I was trying to figure out what the logo was... I knew there was significance... I probably shouldn't have tried to watch at work; should've waited until I got home to really focus. They seemed unnaturally stoic and confident; being a replicant of some kind makes more sense than over-confident military types.
The photo of Michael Biehn playing guitar was priceless.
Neill Blomkamp is now doing a Gran Turismo movie. Gran Turismo. A racing simulation game. He should be doing Firebase. There is a lot of potential in a big budget Firebase feature film.
Blompkamps movies were some of the coolest films of the 2010s
He had a thing going for him, that's for sure - just wasn't getting the commercial success needed to keep in the public eye. As I've said elsewhere, I think Oats Studio is where he gets to really flex his muscle.
David, Davis, David III, David Ressurrection. Davideus AND David: Covenant ... Congrats Ridley, Congrats ... ROFL
Aliens : Labyrinth and the backstory of Dr. Paul Church would make a great TV adaptation.
Fox also "played safe" when it cancelled Firefly.
Fantastic video and content mate,Neils Alien 5 needs more love ! Subbed !
It's like that old but true saying, "Beating a dead horse to death."
*FUN FACT* Both Prometheus and Covenant were never intended to act as PREQUELS.
Yes, originally Prometheus was intended to be a prequel. But when Lindelof was hired, he discussed with Ridley Scott that they should throw out the idea of making a prequel. Because he didn't want to be reduced to having to connect the dots with the previous Alien films.
Ridley Scott agreed with Lindelof. And even stated that the concept of using the xenomorph as the driving force behind the movies was "done, cooked". And that they needed instead to focus on the Engineers. Which is what they ended up doing in Prometheus.
This is the reason why Alien fans always run into trouble trying to connect Prometheus and Covenant to the OG films. Because they were never designed to be connected to those films. Instead, they were supposed to be seen as a REBOOT of the franchise. Set in the same universe but in an alternate timeline.
A universe where the Xenomorphs had a different origin and purpose. And where the "Space Jockey" was no longer an elephant-looking alien. But instead it was a humanoid alien 100% based on the Anunnaki myth - the one you see often in those "Ancient Aliens" videos and that claim that humans were created by them.
Anyway, I can still enjoy Prometheus for what it is: a failed but still entertaining reboot of the Alien franchise. Can't say the same about Covenant, tho.
To sum it up.... Prometheus and Covenant are NOT prequels to the OG Alien films. But where instead intended to restart the franchise. To give it a "new spin". In hopes of reviving an IP that Ridley Scott felt that it had ran its course.
Yeah - Prometheus had some Alien grafted onto it because: recognizable IP and Covenant was their effort to dispel any confusion... which obviously blew up in their (our) faces.
If you remove the Xeno stuff from Prometheus near the end you've got a decently solid film (and one of the only 3D films that actually kinda worked).
Well done Sir, well done indeed. You are a young man compared to me. Some of your generations have... less appreciation for the first two movies. I first saw Aliens at Midnight in a theater with maybe three other people scattered around- on the eve of its release. I have to say that I did need to remind myself I was watching a movie more than once. Aliens may even edge out The Wrath of Khan for all time greatest squeals... Nah- but it comes damn close.
Riding home on a motorcycle at two in the morning, I had to control my urge to look up into every tree I passed under to see if there was a xenomorph trying to grab me. I kept thinking one minute you are fine and the next you are cocooned like Sargent Apone- waiting for a hatchling to burst through your chest.
That was good movie making.
But just like Star Trek Wrath of Khan, that was the high point of the series.
The alien franchise has simply become more like a Junior year film project out of UC Berkley- better at "making statements" than being entertaining...
All the same things are hashed out again. Corporate greed, evil businessmen, hapless military, more corporate greed, more evil businessmen, hapless military and oh yeah, some stuff with aliens and androids... Whatever.
I gave up on the franchise after watching the third movie... Aliens had become a universe of waste, indeed a universal wasteland- just like every other moneymaking property in Hollywood.
But wait, I just got a text message from the Hollywood Psychic!
They are predicting that two or more movie studious will go into some form of bankruptcy soon or they will be merged after a leverage buyout, etc! Their second prediction? Someone like Elon Musk will buy up studios and turn them into what they should have always been- entertainment companies making good films.
That's right folks, you heard it here first. Lets see if the Hollywood Pythic is right.
To be honest, Blompkamp shows enthusiasm for many projects but they get dropped for whatever reason. I was excited when he announced a movie adaptation of The Gone World, but it seems it won't happen either.
Probably because he just makes the same movie over and over.
The Queen mech armor made me wonder if Blomkamp was drawing inspiration from the ATAX figure from the old Kenner action figure line. Such a waste that his vision got left by the wayside in order to focus on Ridley's narrative of the Xenomorph as we know it existing because David-8 went full "Daddy didn't love me!" and decided he needed to prove his superiority when it came to playing God. I would trade in both Prometheus and Covenant for Bloomkamp's film. Good video!
I totally forgot about that toy, and I think I had it… good catch!
I heard from another commentator that Weaver had read the Hill/Giler script and blew them off straightaway. These are two of the three money-men (Gordon Carroll was the third) who tried to claim the original Alien script was theirs and not Dan O'Bannon's (RIP). If that was the case then I say good on you Ms. Weaver, I personally don't need Alien 5 that badly. Great video btw, it's going to be interesting to see how the new movie pans out.
I feel like the Hill/Giler script was either gonna be great or terrible and nowhere in between. They had an understanding of the material beyond “this looks cool.”
I don’t need the film either - age has certainly mellowed me out, lol.
I heard the new film was something Fede mentioned to Ridley years ago and it stuck… so maybe it’ll be neat?
They don't have to retcon anything and the cloning story could fit right in if they truly wanted to do so. They just have another group kidnap the characters from the Sulaco and replace their bodies with clones and send them on their way. It ends up being "too convenient" but this is what happens when you don't commit to canon. Personally, I think the Ripley character needs to be allowed to die. There are plenty of other characters in the universe that could be explored and utilized. They could also create a Ripley AI that is an expert on the Xenomorphs and goes through collecting data from other encounters, eventually being turned into an android that participates in the movie. Prometheus shows that the company can scan brain waves during sleep. They could certainly have collected 57 years of brain waves and additional while she was on the Sulaco and use that as the basis for the AI characters.
Neil has not made a good film since District 9. What makes anybody think his Alien sequel would be good?
A new Alien is in production now. The real reason it has taken so long is the Fox/Disney situation.
He's the little engine that could. I'm still rooting for him (I say this, but I haven't watched his Oats stuff yet... that might either make or break my opinion of him).
This would be amazing, and glad to hear Sigourney agrees with the story!
Anything that erases alien3 from canon is a blessing in my book.
Aliens set the bar so high for me nothing else reached that feeling for me. I did enjoy the other Alien movies but Aliens will always be one of my favorite movies.
Aliens is a tough act to follow up; which is why Fincher knew better than to try and replicate it. The failings of that follow-up film belong to Fox and Fox alone.
I should probably do a list of “if you like x, then watch y” in order to find new recommendations and spread awareness to other films that you may enjoy just as much.
Anything that retcons or erases ALIEN 3 is dead in my book.
oats studio is better than any thing disney has ever gentrified.
Making the space jockey a suit was a profound fail.
In Prometheus, you mean? It was the safe creative bet. I prefer weird bio-mechanical hybrid monstrosity, but modern movies spoon feed us. Ever played/seen footage of “Scorn”? You can get your fill of weird and uncompromising bio-mechanical grossness there.
Prometheus was actually pretty good and there’s a little bad with it. It’s a very love it or hate it movie but it’s still solid. Covenant is trash
Prometheus still holds up; and I’d you watch Comic Book Girl 19’s deep dive of it, you’ll appreciate it more. There was plenty cut from the screenplay that would have made the scientists far less idiotic.
Poe actually has other quotes. I don’t know why people overuse that “dream within a dream” quote.
Tough luck. I had to settle for Lynch's DUNE as a ten yrs old, having no idea ofc who Jodorowsky was or that Herbert's work would become one of my biggest influences as a writer, so who knows? Maybe someone's out there right now, cooking up a tale that puts the entire ALIEN canon to shame. I saw ALIEN 4 times the first week it hit theaters, and proudly proclaimed it to be my favorite film for many years. That all changed when I saw FURY ROAD.
Stupid question:
Why is someone as good at making film...and all that must entail...as DISTRICT 9 GUY letting anyone tell him what to do? Guy that skilled is best left to his own devices, I believe.
(I assume you're aware that Jodorowsky's Dune made Ridley and the writers aware of Giger, eh?)
Fury Road is definitely great... haven't seen that one in awhile. Looking forward to Furiosa.
I assume that his Oats Studio work is for that very reason - so he can do what the heck he wants without interference. It's his own tech. playground.
What also makes it even worse and what's also I'm so happy that Disney owns alien is the fact that Ridley Scott wanted replaced the xenomorph and just take the alien name and make his own franchise His TV show Raised by Wolves on HBO Max was a byproduct
The future of alien That's just if that alien Covenant was successful He was going to fully took over the alien franchise and wanted to do alien sequels and prequels or what he wanted to go for on his franchise and honestly he's the reason why alien is buried and he is going to be the reason why that Disney is going to resurrected and every way possible
In Disney We Trust alien and predator
He was only a producer on Raised by Wolves; not a writer etc. Thankfully... Season 1 ended so weirdly, I'm not even sure if I want to watch season 2. Not sure if you've seen Prey on Hulu - but at least we know the Predator franchise is in more capable hands now.
Alien And Aliens Two Classic Masterpieces Of Science Fiction And Papa Scott Had To Go Captain Ahab On Alien 5 Which I Thought Was Gonna Be The Apology For The Underrated Sequel Alien 3 Ridley And Mickey Decided Nope Alien Covenant Comes First And We All Know How That Turned Out!
It's truly sad that the wrong choice was made in favor of Scott's Alien: Covenant. I'd still like to hope that someday in the future Alien 5 will get put in the works to save the franchise, but at this point it just seems like it's for the best to let things die in peace. The movie that could've saved the franchise was thrown away and the movie that they went with proved to be a nail in the coffin. Thanks Fox.
Nail in the coffin? Just ignore Noah Hawley and Fede Alvarez then, I guess.
alien covenant was better than alien 2 imo. i studied molecular biology at university and deeply enjoyed the science fiction, mystery, and universe expansion by Prometheus and covenant.
18:13
Nope!
That would be Spectacular Spider-Man
Haven’t seen it, but my opinion was only referencing the recent live action adaptations.
Should have gone the small screen route years ago. A corporate espionage thriller set in the ALIEN universe would have been pretty dope. Tell the story over 5 seasons, 8 to 10 episodes per.
Erasing 3 and 4 and doing a new ending sonds EPIC.
As much as I would love an Alien 5 movies with Ripley, Hicks and Newt I don’t think this would have been great, it looks a little too comic book style with those stupid alien mech suits 😏
Alien mech suits probably would have been dumb... but I love mechs and robots and such, so I would have likely been fine with it. I feel like he probably saw them as a logical extension of the powerloader, but who knows.
A new sub here ….. nice made very nice indeed……
Prometheus and Covenant were poop. They dont need to reinvent the wheel, just go with what already works. Neil's Alien 5 would have been amazing.
Enough with the waiting, Netflix should just buy the franchise and do a Netflix series. Seriously IT CANT GET ANY WORSE! lol 😂 Aliens -David, Aliens-Engineers, Aliens- Mech wars, Aliens - Marine wars, Aliens - Predator wars, Aliens- AI wars, etc
I believe Ridley Scott to be a brilliant director/filmmaker , but, he seems to have a toxic effect on several projects he has become involved in. Ultimately, A5 did not get made because he was not happy, simple as.
A5 has potential , and the Blomkamp presence has merit. He can make it work, but will he ever get the chance to shine once again? , who knows.
We live in hope.
Maybe one day.
There's a great interview where Scott asserts his stance on Deckard being a replicant, and his only retort is basically 'it's mine and I can do whatever I want' despite the fact that the writer and Ford himself vehemently disagree. I love how the issue was side-stepped in 2049.
Aliens Labyrinth didn't get a mention when referencing good dark horse stories?! It's the most horrific nightmare fueled Alien story I've read to date. That is saying something as it was made way back in the early 90's. The shit it depicts when victims get captured in a hive is pure terror.
I spotted that book and Nightmare Asylum as a child whilst I was looking for X-Men comics. They wrecked me; I had no idea the stories had continued after the movies. I could have picked more but I had to draw the line somewhere, unfortunately.
i like alien 3, love the Eliot Goldenthal soundtrack score, it's kind of got that trad 50s vibe to it, i often think those first 3 films follow the same structure as the Snglo Saxon saga of Beowulf, in the first part the monster rips through the food hall, in the second part, you get to meet Grendals mother, and the last part involving the death of of the main hero is some tatty low-fi run in with a random dragon, i think the franchise should have ended there, there was some real quality actors in it too, and none of those characters was sympathetic in any degree, so i'm sticking up for it, and so what if the special effects are a bit ropey, it's a sci fi flick...rubber suits and strings attached, the newer cut version is a better film, than the theatrical release, i also think it's a great story about film making of itself,
Alien 3 is easy to bypass, its just a dream from long cryo sleep because the face hugger started making noises trying to get into the pod before it died of hunger. Then what is alien 4, you get a little back story on ripley sure, but she was a clone, with messed up memory. Gene splicers did a bit of snip snip when it came to the details of alien 5..
18:53 ... who wants to see a movie with them as actors ? Nobody ... Let "Alien" rest in peace !
i love disney for doing that
Hopefully sarcasm? Now that Disney/Marvel has the brand, they have been releasing new comics... I should probably check those out, what I've seen has been pretty neat.
@@workingmemories2213 The Marvel Alien Comics absolutely blow, traced art and really trashy writing, the Titan Books Novels have a few excellent entries though. Cold Forge, Into Charybdis and Phalanx among them.
This is truly a dead dream now that Sigourney has openly stated she's done with Ripley and the Alien films.
Ridley and Fox completely screwed what would have likely been a far more enjoyable experience based on its conceptual design, and the passion involved.
Prometheus and covenant are the 2nd & 3rd best movies after the original imo. they beautifully expand the universe, add intrigue, and have a strong science fiction foundation.
Very easy to go wrong with a new installment if script and acting sucks.. let's pray Romulus is a darn strong one so there's even a future to talk about after.
Fans still haven’t been given an Aliens Origins movie, were the unanswered question of where the Aliens originally came from. That is to say, what exoplanet did they originate from? What alien society bred them and why? Lastly, how did the Aliens get off of this exoplanet and travel throughout the galaxy?
Tom Sisson
You’re gonna have to create that one in the theatre of your mind… ‘cause as of right now, the origin of the Xenomorph as we know it was created in David’s murder cave 🤦🏻♂️
They could try something new. For example not starting over for the fifth time with new characters almost nobody's gonna like.
Or they could even go as far as picking up what Blomkamp started. Two - yet not tried - ways to aim for a franchise hit again - it's been a long time since 1986. :)
I'm perfectly fine that Blomkamp's Alien 5 was never made as the story was nothing new or exciting to begin with. Not only was it set on Earth (a big no-no in my book) but it even had a similar climax to James Cameron's Aliens with Ripley donning a Xenomorph suit, much like the robot suit she used to wrestle the enormous queen at that movie's climax. Of course, the usual obsequious flatterers would've declared the movie a huge success just like they did with The Force Awakens, only to realize 3 or 4 years later that they'd fallen for the hype and that the movie was average at best.
Yeah, Prometheus definitely smells of maximising ROI, not inspired movie making.
A continuation from resurrection would be good, it seems like a good idea, Ripley Cal dynamic, corporate greed, humans punished for not changing thier behavior
SO THATS WHY I LOVED ALL OF METROID SO VERY MUCH!!!!!!! AND I DID LLOOVVEE IT! (This series along with early Terminator 1&2) my favourite films of all time... and I'm 43 now.) And yes they should have kept going with the TSCC. Or start them up AGAIN!
If you do some deep dives on Metroid, you’ll see how far the Alien connection goes. There are some excellent videos on CZcams, which is why I didn’t make an extended Metroid section (my videos tend to be long enough as is 😬).
I wish the show would continue, but I know that’s never gonna happen. They were supposed to make a Sarah, Connor Chronicles movie, but that never came to fruition… Maybe one day the show runner will continue the series in comic form; that would be the only financially plausible way.
prometheus was the best alien movie after the original imo
Surprised the internet mob hasn’t come for this comment yet 😂
I love Prometheus, I wonder why so many dislike it
@@montanab1099 I dont know man. I think many fans want the same movie style copy pasted over and over. Look at predator franchise, after you reveal what a predator is, you cannot keep making same style of movie and make it great. none of the predator movies after the original where very good or great. you need to take risks, expand, innovate.
"Alien" fans: Where is the Xenomorph home planet?
Ridley Scott: That's so 1979, my "highly evolved Bender Bending Rodriguez with a GOD complex" is it!
"Alien" fans: So you're Kathleen Kennedy or J.J. Abrams, now?
they seem to just be completely unable to finish what they started, Alien: Awakening or whatever it was suppose to be called should be finished and a complete trilogy or the "David" trilogy will be complete.
It wasn't just FOX who dropped the ball, it was Ridley Scott's - shit canning of Blomkamp, due to him wanting to do more films in the ALIEN franchise! Both Prometheus and Covenant, at least it had Xenomorphs were poorly written films in comparison to the previous 4 ALIEN films!
You will be glad he did.
It seems that lightning really does only strike once. Then everyone thinks their shit is better.
Disney should drop the Alien franchise, what are they ever going to do with it?
Maybe they can build a fire, sing a couple of songs?
😂😝
Give. Me. More. Alien. Franchise. I neeeeds it!
I subscribed because of this video ❤
The 1st AvP movie was actually pretty Decent.
i heard recently that it may not have even been neils idea, as a friend showed him a screenplay he'd wrote years ago, and apparently neil had saw it and decided to adapt it's plot for alien 5. so technically alien 5, or alot of neils other works may actually be derivative of other works, and he's choosing not to release these works or ideas because of 'reasons' if you catch my drift. a good example to lead evidence to this was him doing all those short films with movie plot ideas shortly after alien 5 was officially shuttered.
I’m okay with that - most directors aren’t writers, and some that do write really shouldn’t (not past the initial draft, anyways). I’d hope that he would at least credit the other creative person or acknowledge them, I’d this were the case.
He was supposed to do a Halo thing forever ago, and I think Oats is his way of getting all these things out of his system, so to speak.
Alternatively, he may be more of a technology/style guy like Cameron… Cameron’s writing/ideas have always come under scrutiny (Harlan Ellison, anyone? Lol).
I bet Neil is angry that a new Alien movie is being made and he's not directing it. Neil's concept art looked amazing I would have liked to have seen his version of Alien 5 or Aliens with Hicks Ripley and Newt back
He’s probably too busy wondering whether Gran Turismo is gonna break even or not 😂
the greatest failure of the entire Alien franchise is undoubtedly "Alien 3" the death of Newt Hicks Bishop & Ripley cannot be forgiven.
So we are forced to go back, back into the comics and the stories where the lives of those lost are still very much intertwined & a part of the Alien story.
Believe it or not it's not 100% Fox on this one. Ridley Scott pitched his idea for his god awful Prometheus nonsense and they decided to go with that instead.
I’ll never forgive Ridley Scott for allowing his ego which was threatened by the traction Neil’s vision was getting to cancel the film.
So you’re probably not excited for Gladiator 2, lol.
They could have easily explained Alien 3 and 4 not happening if Weyland-Yutani made a killer AI bot that went back in time...
Yes, you do!
Tbf because its fair to say in truth ever since Prometheus the Alien fandom has been divided. You have some "Alien Fans" who do like the ideas and themes Ridley Scott explored in his Alien prequel, sure that film has dumb scientists, although it can be argued that "Peter Weyland" was a superstitious man, who basically wanted to keep whatever "Tutankanen" great discovery he came across, entirely to himself. Paranoid certain highly skilled and professional types could sell out, and ultimately betray him once they got back to earth; Weyland is specific in just hiring some low-level, average Joe type employees in their respective fields in this particular not too distant future, so that they will just have more of this "do the job get paid" kind of attitude.
Or atleast that's how those characters all came across to me. But above all prometheus did help to really open up the whole lore of the Alien franchise, it had good solid world-building, add alot of depth to the origins of the ancient Xenomorph. The movie itself just could have really done with a much better, tighter script I.e. basically not having Lindelof's involvement whatsoever, so I will say Ridley screwed up there.
BUT it cannot be denied! I don't care what kind of fan you are, prometheus showed us that there are simply TWO very Different types of *Alien Fan*. There's the Alien fans who really luv that further, deeper exploration into the whole lore of the Xenomorph, and how it came to be, rested in its forever stasis on that planet old LV-426. Those fans love all that stuff, the mystery, and just subtly exploring all of that; NOT blowing open every single goddamn detail, but just delving further into all that stuff, while still retaining all that suspense and atmosphere.
What I always found interesting with Prometheus and Alien is the idea of one ancient Alien race of "biengs", stumbling across a whole other very ancient "alien" race, or Alien creature that is far beyond even them. Then you have us "Human Biengs" kind of caught up, in the middle of that.
But I digress, so you then have the other types of *Alien fan*. The ones who don't really appreciate all that mystery, or any kind of further exploration of the Xenomorph & Space Jockey lore. They just kind of almost romanticize the whole "Colonial Marines" humans. The badass military figures, "we come in, we kick ass and we goin get sum. That's right, you want to go and get sum." That kind of gung ho mitary hardened unit, going up against hordes of Xenos, "absolutely badass!" "You secure that shit Hudson! Somebody wake up Hicks." LOL.
I mean it is cool I muv Apone and the Colonial Marines, they do look frickin awesome, I remember seeing the dropshop come down and the APC just rolls out, all that stuff.
This is the thing, you see I'm a passionate Alien fan and I can actually appreciate BOTH of what these two different kind of Alien Films have to offer. It's obvious "Aliens" is more of a rip-roaring, roller coaster of a ride, more heavily focused on Action with respectable levels of violence and gore thrown in. I mean these are Xenos were talking about. Fast, agile creatures, blood for acid, uniquely very strong and can seriously mess you up.
In Scott's og "Alien 1979" masterpiece, that scene where the Xeno just grabs Parker I mean he's a cool character because even though he comes across as though he hates Ripley early on and he's only there for a nice big paycheck. Once shit gets real Parker steps up, he completely ally with Ripley and he tries to save Lambert from the Alien. He just gets killed up bad, Xeno teeth-bursts his frickin head. But then what it does to Lambert, the masterful way in which Ridley Scott shoots that whole scene, and he never actually shows any kind of penetration in Lambert, he just gives you enough, the shot of that tail, looking like a phallus slowly going up between her legs, and Veronica Cartwright, I mean holy shit, her whole performance of just true, raw Fear through the film and especially in that scene of her death.
I gotta say as a kid if arnd 9 or 10 staying up watching Alien late. And I mean I'd been consuming alot of 80s neo/cyberpunk style Anime back then too, Genocyber and the Gyver. So at the point of Lambert's death and it then cuts away to her horrible blood-curdling screams echoing. I always imagined this image that stuck with me afterward, of the Xenomorph just forcing it's exoskeleton bone-like tail right up into Lambert, and all the way through her insides, basically physically ripping her whole body apart at that point.
Sounds really nasty I know, but that's just the power of really good directing skill, imagination of how to set up a scene, tension and extreme violence without ever actually showing any real graphic details.
Cont - but yeh there are those other Alien fans who ever since Jim Cameron's Aliens just want that kind of exhilarating action and nothing much else.
I'm the kind of rare Alien fan who is able to appreciate BOTH of what ALIEN & ALIENS gave us, because they are two very different types of Alien Film. I just only wish 20th Century Fox studios at the time Niel Blomkamp pitched his "Alien 5" idea, would have basically had a good talk to Ridley Scott, and encouraged him and Blomkamp to actually COLLABORATE!
Because at that point *Outside Input* was desperately needed. Even though Ridley Scott is this genius director who truly did help define the Sci Fi Horror Genre, and basically made the Alien franchise what it is, just like George Lucas, Spielberg and basically every 'Master' of their Craft; over time you do need some fresh talent to come in and kind of take over. And I truly feel Blomkamp was that guy, BUT only with Ridley's guidance, the two basic teaming up.
This is what I strongly believe SHOULD HAVE BEEN! I think Blomkamp AND Ridley should have co-wrote the Sequel to Scott's "Prometheus". Call it - *Alien Covenant* cause that is a cool title imo. But actually make it a nice blend of tense, suspense. Actually provide us fans Real ANSWERS to the previous installment of Prometheus.
Who were the Engineers?
What were they ultimately trying to do with the Xeno eggs?
Why did they plan somekind of assimilation, or propagation of the human race?
And HOW exactly did that "outbreak" occur on LV-223!?
Was it spectacular, drastic error on the part of the Engineers themselves, where one of them 'accidently' goes and let's out the black goo viralization of that whole temple/facility.
OR Was it somekind of purposeful "Sabotage" on the part of one of these own, a kind of Rogue Engineer who did what they did as a way of preventing that mission to earth; stopping something that they didn't believe in. Maybe due to them forming a bond with the very early civilizations of Man, they had originally been tasked with teaching, imparting 'knowledge' to. The very *Prometheus* who stole Fire and gave to man and was eternally punished for afterward.
Thus how that Rogue Engineer ended up, I mean the one fossilised to his chair in his "Derelict" *Juggernaut* Spacecraft, with a apparent Xeno burst from his chest. Coincidentally Symbolic almost, to the very myth of the titan *Prometheus*, whose punishment for giving fire to humans, was being chained to a rock and having crows eat their liver eternally.
But I digress I'm possibly looking way too much into all of this. That's just the kind of *Alien Fan* I am, I can see all the potential here where maybe others don't want to.
I just wish if they could have made Covenant to have a balance of maybe those of us Fans answers to Prometheus; then made in the second half maybe delve into alot of balls-to-the-wall ACTION, and gory violence and carnage.
We could have had a Military Investigation team that was sent out to find out what happened to the Prometheus mission, they end up picking up a signal that they track to the location of the Covenant Planet instead.
So instead of that stupid Colonist group of characters we got in Covenant; David has basically led this military team to the planet he has been stuck on for the past 10 years.
And this is where the carnage ensues. It would be a way to achieve BOTH elements of what these two differing sides of our ALIEN FANBASE have wanted.
Prometheus fans get their ANSWERS, in Shaw, who in a Prologue opening scene, arrives at the Covenant planet, and before David unleashes the black goo weapon on the unsuspecting enginner populace. He plays it clever, just like when he led his Maker to the last surviving Engineer ( and basically to his doom). David leads Shaw to meet the Enginner Elders, and we see David act as a translator between the Elders and Shaw.
And Shaw recieves some dark truths from these Elders. That they originally were carefully helping spearhead the early Human Race to Sentience. Popping back every Century, checking in on how *Humanity* was progressing. And every time the Engineers would leave in their colossal ships, they would use their ships to create a specific formation in earth's skies.
This was done to kind of etch into the early humans minds, this configuration of circles in the sky; ofwhich the Engineers had done with the assurance once Humanity had progressed enough over time, they would come to understand this configuration as a kind of "Star Map", where they would one day take to the skies, to space and venture out to meet their makers.
This is what Holloway & Shaw found, one of many of these hieroglyphs, murals and ancient cave paintings of the early human civilizations who had originally came into contact with the Engineers.
And this is what the Elders explain to Elizabeth Shaw, then they get into where it all went horribly wrong.
As human beings were slowly progressing and learning, they eventually discovered the capacity for WAR. Man began killing his brother, over stupid infantile things such as "Land", then power.
The Engineers on their last visit we're gravely disappointed with what they saw. Man was now regressing now growing. Stuck in this infancy of fighting with himself.
The Engineers are a race of Humanoid Alien Beings, far beyond the silly ideals of "War", fighting over land, materials, resources. Engineers are physically very strong, yet when you see that lastcsurvivng Engineer that was awoken from his 2000 year cryo sleep, he attacks the humans only when it appears he becomes offended by what the elderly, arrogant and delusional Peter Weyland is asking of him - immortality.
Its evident the Engineers can live very long lifespans, possibly for some thousands of years. So IF they were "Immortal", why would they even need Cryosleep chambers?
This is what I find interesting in how that last surviving Engineer of the 223 outbreak only got violent after he learned of what Weyland was after. And then when he gets violent, he's not throwing punches, has no "guns" in the conventional sense. He just uses very basic pushes, and throws, still more than enough to kill the humans.
It is from here that Shaw realises what had occurred. The Engineers had basically given up on Humanity, they viewed them as a failed experiment that simply needed to be wiped out, and possibly start again. And so they executed the mission on LV-223, of a covert of Engineers to head to Earth and unload a payload of their bioweapon, the "Black Good" viral bombs, synthesised from the original DNA of the ancient Xenomorph creature that they the Engineers discovered.
From here they could of had the Elders kill Shaw, or maybe this is when David flees back to the ship and unleashes the black goo vir bombs wiping out the Engineers.
Cut to 10 yrs later, and that's where you have some Colonial Marine types, maybe a investigative team, who pick up a signal and it leads them to the Covenant homeworld.
There's just loads they could have done that could have satisfied BOTH sides of this Fanbase.
But you end it where the whole human characters all die fighting David's Xenos, absolutely NO subverting the lore by making David the "Creator" of the Xenos cause that's just epically stupid.
But you basically establish that David only "replicated" the original ancient Xenomorphic lifeforms were all familiar with, and he came quite close I'm it's similarity. At the end maybe you could have a twist where Shaw is actually still alive, and Daivd had basically kept her in a cryo pod, possibly for some further devious plans he has to do with the xenos.
From here, they could have then showed how David escaped the planet in one of the military task force ships, out somewhere into space, possibly even that "Origae-6" destination.
Then you would jump years into the future, and Ridley would pass on the reigns to Neil Blomkamp, and Fox allow him to make his ALIEN 5 movie, a sequel to Cameron's original "Aliens" movie. Picking up on Ripley, Newton & Hicks, from all this awesome concept art.
I mean it's just Criminal Fox not going with Neil's movie, he was really introducing some cool new ideas and concepts.
Then they could have seen how Neil's movie fared, and then brought back in David & Shaw, I'm a movie set after the events of Blomkamp's film.
I guarantee IF the Fox studio had done something like that, ALL US FANS would be united back on the same level and absolutely loving this whole direction for the franchise.
Cancelling Futurama was a crime against humanity....
I am old enough to remember that there were rumors about Alen 5, and I have seen those draft pictures, and Sigourney with that mask...And I hoped that I will watch that film...Alas...
Yeah, better smother those dreams under a pillow. It's toast.
@@workingmemories2213 I know, but I can't shake the feeling that it could have been a good movie.
@@workingmemories2213 Then again, if the idea and the draft are there, Cailee Spaeny, that new excellent actress can take that role, Sigourney is way too old, but why not use some new actress... I already heard that she might be in that new Alien movie.
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Dammit. What a shame. Alien Isolation is the closest I've got to erasing Resurrection from my mind. Let's hope the TV series is a good one
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When people wanted to see Ripley and marines with Pulse rifles and Smartguns, we ended up getting two androids fing3ring on a flute 😂
Still one of the best parts of that movie.
I want a Star Wars Alien crossover
Jedi -vs- Xenomorph
I don’t think the Star Wars fandom needs anymore frills added to it at the moment… That might push it off a cliff even further 😂
Scott should have dropped after Prometheus...He saw the Blomkampt script and thought 'shit, that better than what I could do...'
Even if he thought that, he'd never admit it 🤣
Damn That Mouse!
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I actually really liked both Prometheus & Covenant. I’m on board for anything Alien & Predator. A V P is a bonus.
How much is Ridley paying you? 😂
Disney+ is paying me , get it right. No I’m just really ready for some new Alien or Predator content, that’s all.
@@dwaynelepley1103 Excited about that finished animated series they recently shelved? 🙄
Actually not in to the cartoons. I’m not naive enough to think Disney can do anything but mess up this franchise. I think you do a great job on the content and appreciate you putting it out there .
@@dwaynelepley1103 I guess it was anime and done prior to the acquisition; probably doesn’t “align with their brand” at the moment. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it!
I blame Ridley Scott he's the one that wanted to have his own Alien movies And no one else could have touch alien if that movie got off the ground it would have stolen every hype that Ridley Scott's prequel movies Was doing Ridley Scott wanted to do prequels and sequels to his own alien movie and honestly I really really am thank God that Disney bought 20th Century Fox because honestly I would have never accepted a single movie Under the hands of 20th Century Fox or Ridley Scott
Ridley killed it