How Finland Has Become Impossible to Invade
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Finland is a massive asset to NATO. And Finland is preparing for war. With Russia right on its border, some think it's only a matter of time before Putin decides to invade Finland. But if he did, what would happen? Could Finland be the next Ukraine?
This video does a deep dive into Finland's geography, military, history, and more, to show how Finland would stand up against a Russian invasion.
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Very well argued and even though in Americanese, the commentary is intelligible for English speakers. Although almost a complete avoidance of the nonsensical Americanese conditional you still made one slip. Whilst much of the preceding commentary was conditional because it had been preceded by "IF, from 4.27, that no longer applies. "Most of these Finnish road systems >>>>>> WOULD
The link directs you to the game, without giving you any rewards:(
There is a UTM attached to the link which I believe is supposed to give you the free items upon signup.
@@icarusproject so this doesn't apply for the people already signed up? Oh well đ
and remember, you cant catch finns on their forest roads... they drive on them when they are like 13, going 500km/h
As a finn, I highly approve you including the real Finnish Air Force to the intro: the mosquitos.
Let's hope you don't have to rely solely on them, if the f35 problems continue (maybe you reconsider and get some gripens as well, who knows). But yeah, from experience the mosquitos are not to be underestimated :)
"General, they are bleeding us dry!"
"We haven't had any contact with any Finns yet!"
"Not the people, no..."
Finnish people have such a great sense of humor! .... And Saunas đ€Ł
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I wonder who has the bigger mosquitoes, Finland or Minnesota. In Minnesota, the mosquitoes are so big that it might as well be the official state bird.
And now I'm picturing a Finnish mosquito with a helmet and NVG kit, and somehow, it feels entirely plausible.
As a Norwegian, I approve of this message. We are four Nordic nations working together is push comes to shove, but the Finns are just... Something else. Glad to have them as a close ally.
Finland knows all about Russian diplomacy, and will always be prepared.
85 years ago, yes
Wtf u talking about..? Its sverige/finland and then the fuggin snakes to our left. Norge fattar fortf inte alls. Ni bröt med oss,sÄ chilla med danmark. We dont want u.
@@soderlund3610 Doesn't seem like Russian diplomacy changed much in that time.
@@TreesTrees i dont think your brain has gotten any nutrients since you were born.
There was a telling quote from US colonel about joint winter exercise in Finland: "They came out of nowhere and were everywhere!".
No. But as as a fact there in Karelia lived numbers of US cizens when war beginned. How many...I do not know...
1:02 More accurately, Saint Petersburg sits 150 kilometers away from the current Finnish eastern border. It's important to distinct that Russia built their city as late as in the 18th century on lands inhabitated by Finnic tribes. If you insist to build on your neighbor's yard, then don't complain that your neighbor's house is close to you.
St. Petersburg or Nevanlinna at the time was commissioned during the Swedish rule in 1600's and built by Finns
Ruzzians have always found ways to make their own truths to support their aggression. Now it is is NATO and the victim is Ukraine
The town was called Nyen before it became St Petersburg.
@@leifiseland1218 built by Finns, named by Finns. Nyen just means the same as Neva which is the rivers name in Finnish. It also means a type of swamp which refers to the swampy delta around the rivers entry to the Gulf of Finland. Nevanlinna means Castle of Neva...
@@lumihanki5631 Before the Swedish rule there had already been a Finnic settlement in the area. The Russians are the ones stepping on our turf, not the other way around.
Everybody gangsta until forest speaks Finnish
but it's 2024, and things called missiles and rockets exist..
@@varavarala313 both are not effective in forests, drones maybe but also more for open field with lots of visibility.
Ask the soviets how effective bombs and artillery are against Finnish trees â@@varavarala313
@@varavarala313 Just like they have for decades. You don't use missiles or rockets on individual soldiers hiding in the bushes. You have to be able to locate hardware worth hitting and Ukraine has shown us Russian lacks such competence.
@@varavarala313 The US had missiles, rockets and overwhelming air superiority in Vietnam. The Vietnamese had jungle, which was so problematic the US tried to get rid of it with things like Agent Orange.
Who won?
Interesting fact. All major bridges in Finland are build with ready made compartments for easy mining and rumor goes that some bridges nearer to our Eastern border are permanently mined ready to be blown at moment's notice.
Unfortunately they removed the explosives after the end of the Cold War but the compartments remain. Always good to have the option l
Cool.
@@Whatshisname346 Not really unfortunate. They literally got stolen. Dont really want the local alcoholics in posession of some kilograms of compound explosive.
Same in Sweden aswell.
All Finnish bridges are built with mining space, to charge them in case of war.
Speaking of snipers, Finland won the latest sniper competition of NATO (2023)
Nothing to do with our defence force. And many other counry has won that too.
â@@RoopeFromFinland Finnish snipers are not part of the Finnish Defence Forces? Interesting, that is new information.
With your logic there's no reason to compete in anything. It's like saying: "No matter who wins the Stanley Cup this year, it means nothing because there are some other teams that have won that too in the past"
â@@RockerFinlandThe point was that we don't have a sniper school and the guys did train in their own time and money so nothing to with our defence forces.
@@RoopeFromFinland From the Finnish Defence Forces: "Some of the conscripts will be trained in specialised roles, including sniper". There are also sniper training in the reserve (MPK). Of course you have to use your free time too if you wanna be the best (it's the same thing with every skill). Chris Kyle trained more at his free time than in actual duty. You have to do it if you wanna be among the best.
@@RoopeFromFinland It seems like you got silent. I guess you were really not a Finn after all. Didn't even know Finland trains snipers, that is very basic information
The Vikings thought the Finnish had magical control over the weather. They very rarely tried to raid them because of it.
The terrain of Finland is basically a fortress. Beast of a country that is difficult to thrive in but rewards anyone who can.
Good luck trying to outmanoeuvre the Finns on snow.
They ski better than they walk.
Yep. Freezing conditions during the winter were left out from this video. Without practicing to work below-zero conditions you are worthless for your team mates. Also another thing to mention, all people learn already during the elementary school how to use maps & compass and are able orienteering without modern systems.
@@kkonka Also past time activities like avantouinti (ice swimming) keeps body adapted to cold conditions. That kind of adaptation can only be accumulated over time for it changes body's fat composition (grey fat turn into brown fat).
Yup, the freezing winter in finland is really bad for anyone not prepared for it. In the winter war thousands of russians ended up freezing to death and their tanks stopped working in the -30C° climate. Some people actually called the war a "JÀÀtynyt helvetti" or literally the frozen hell.
A large group of Russian soldiers in the border area in 1939 are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a small hill: "One Finnish soldier is better than ten Russian".
The Russian commander quickly orders 10 of his best men over the hill where Upon a gun-battle breaks out and continues for a few minutes, then silence. The voice once again calls out: "One Finn is better than one hundred Russian."
Furious, the Russian commander sends his next best 100 troops over the hill and instantly a huge gun fight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again Silence. The calm Finnish voice calls out again: "One Finn is better than one thousand Russians!"
The enraged Russian commander musters 1000 fighters and sends them to the other side of the hill. Rifle fire, machine guns, grenades, rockets and cannon fire ring out as a terrible battle is fought...
Then silence.
Eventually one badly wounded Russian fighter crawls back over the hill and with his dying words tells his commander, "Don't send any more men...it's a trap. There's two of them."
Tuo vitsi on vanhempi kuin Trumanin doktriini.
Fake narrative first of all russaian don't use English the communication never existed if it did it was ediitedd probably by a west biased translator
@@ogbighomie9738Still good. When the snow talks đ±
haha funny story. Finns lost the war though.
@@hulking_presence Never occupied. Didnât lose independence.
The bear knows not to bother the hedgehog. The hedgehog is small, but knows how to defend with it's thorns. Sure, the bear could probably mess up the hedgehog if it *really* tried, but not without getting messed up in the process. And to what end? The hedhegog is not much of a meal anyway.
_The bear knows not to bother the hedgehog._
Bear would just squeeze the hedgehog... There is no challenge there at all.
But talk about wolverine or a honey badger... You do not F with those things...
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The hedgehog runs away fast.
@@bushpocket8619 Actually yes. My sister had a doberman, who was very, very eager to hunt hedgehogs after 22 00. Once a hedgehog is found, the dog used to bark as loud as he could. First time he tried to bite it, but never after. If someone holds a dog so that hedgehog can escape, usually it needed 10-15 seconds to run and disappear into darkness.
Fun fact: There technically is a mountain range on the border of Russia and Finland, The Karelides, But it's about 2 billion years old and most of it has eroded away so it's not much of a natural defense lol.
And dont we fucking know it as Karelians we fought for king we fought for fools and still if Guastaf Adolfus would give our lifes and his for ua... That is why we fought for a king.
Höhö đ
So it's not a mountain range? Fun fact, you're a typical Finn
@@Trevor_Gee It is, ever seen Koli? The terrain is noticeably different in that area.
As a Swede i approve of this message, finns are our brothers. Perkele!
perkele!
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Hope it is not something offensive. God bless Finland
@@andrewserdogman5458 đItâs kinda like âGoddamnâ or âDevilâ! Greetings fromđ«đźĐĄĐ»Đ°ĐČĐ° ĐŁĐșŃĐ°ĐžĐœĐ”!đșđŠ
Russians will unite the north one day
As a Finn, I found this video to be somewhat biased towards us. I know Finland has many advantages like superior military strategies and training, high-quality equipment, higher morale, geographical knowledge, etc. but still, Russia has massive amounts of raw military power like soviet era missiles, tanks, artillery and aircraft. Small countries can never match that in war of attrition, at least without external help from a large military alliance like NATO. Eventually, they would roll over us without NATO help, but it would be very costly for them. Finnish military doctrine has never aimed to win a 1vs1 war against Russia, but we have tried to have strong enough deterrence so war would never happen in the first place. Now as a NATO member our deterrence is so high that I can sleep my nights without any worries.
Most of that has already been spent by Russia fighting Ukraine. But yes, NATO membership is very important!
Here in America a lot of the âleave NATOâ narrative is framed as us âhelping the defenseless Finnsâ who âdonât invest enough in their own defense.â This video is to help show that you Finns stand just fine on your own and are an excellent contribution, not a liability, to the alliance.
Our whole country is utilized and prepared for defence. Compared to the rest of the Europe we are lightyears ahead. Business leaders practise with our defense forces regularly and we have massive supplies of security stored all the time. It's a sort of all encompassing total solution. I hope we get the ladies on board with the mandatory draft or ar least with the civil defence programs. Also we have super active reservers programs all around the country. I wonder how much more we could do. I'm pretty sure we are the most prepared country in Europe to defend ourselves. Maybe in the whole world excluding of course USA and so on.. especially now with Sweden and Norway and the rest of the NATO as our allies. Perkele!
@@icarusproject how do you most has been spent?
@@pantseilmari8151 People usually don't know that every one of our larger companies (and depending what they do many smaller ones too) and their leaders have taken part in defense planning and training. So pretty much the whole business sector is ready for wartime service if needed.
â@@icarusprojectThank you for doing that, I feel like that is an important message to send if people are talking about leaving NATO.
Our defence strategy is still to defend ourselves. We joined NATO to take away the mere thought of invading Finland from Russians. We did not join NATO, so that they could rescue us.
If someone would tell me Finland is under attack by Russia I would volunteer to help. They are very civilized and good people.
Its a small dog chest thumping itself into trouble, but feel free to volunteer for trouble.
You will need to walk to Finland! How far do you live from Finland?
@@churblefurbles Haha, go on and try Ruzzian bot. You guys are getting whooped by Ukraine what do you think would happen against Finland.
@@Dirtypandasan You lost to Churblefurbles in the typing speed, so you should think twice as you got whooped.
Its sarcasm i thinkâ@@Dirtypandasan
My family shares ownership of a private road. The government pays for the upkeep because it is between two main highways in the area and shortcuts a major intersection. You can literally drive a tank on it... which is why government pays for the upkeep.
goverment pays for some of the road because they are near training areas and they need to use those roads to access them, or they are important infastructure that would need to be maintained anyways
What, you don't drive tanks on your own road? :D
If worst comes to worst, Russia will supply tanks for your tractors to pull down that road.
You can drive a tank on anything.
Funny fact, a Leopard 2A4 weights 55 tonnes.
With its tracks the weight per square centimeter less than a 80 kg person has.
In simple terms, a 80 kg person feet sunks deeper in the snow, sand and mud than a Leopard 2 A4 tracks does.
Other thing is, every Finnish road is designed and built for 25 tonnes per axel. Only very new ones that are built from the ground up can withstand more than 55 tonnes, and those are very few and rare.
But to that all, a three axel truck with a 55 tons load, has much higher pressure per square centimeter than a Leopard 2A4 has on its tracks.
This is the reason why Finnish roads are in horrible condition and breaks up everywhere, because too much load is transported on them by private corporations, and all the money that is collected from every vehicle, was and is spent on everything else than the purpose they were meant to = maintaining the roads.
Another thing is that the private road construction corporations were given privilege and national road maintenance was eliminated. In the process the asphalt mixture and use was decreased. The asphalt got stones removed that decreased its capability withstand wear and shortened lifespan few times from about 30 years to about 7-10 years. And another was that asphalt thickness was decreased from 15 cm to 4 cm.
That will not withstand the yearly spring-fall freezing process but will crack and break up the pavement.
With all the other different factors included, Finnish road network can't support the existing, and planned heavy load cargo transporting, nor highly corrupted maintenance business practice via privatization, and to eliminate this the government has decided to convert non-important paved roads to be converted back to unpaced dirt roads. The idea behind this is to push people to 15-minute city design that is western plan to take away last independence from the people by limiting their movement and access to outside cities or to live outside cities.
One part of the grand plan was completed few years back when Finland sold out its all independent oil refinery capability, its only oil tanker and all methods to maintain and support national emergency reserves for the crop seeds, oil, petrolium, ammunition etc. Finland is almost completely dependent from the USA for all its civilian and military infrastructure, what now almost all the petroleum products and natural gas it imports is from Russia, because it is purchased from third party country at 3-5x price increase, instead directly from Russia.
And at the moment the third party delivery countries are prioritizing their own needs over Finland's, that is the last point and nowhere in middle point in delivery line, that has slaved Finnish government to obey everything that EU dictates because it has no means to choose alternative suppliers.
To drive a Leopard 2A4 on the roads is not a exclusive or special capability, to drive those things at all at the war time will be rarity.
@@paristo Very much this and its the reason why many consider twice is it worth to fight for this country, cause you will be risking your life protecting those that are trying to destroy it from with in and cant be removed from office as all parties are in the same good old boys club serving only interests of the globalists..
Forest roads exist for logging purposes. Forest industry is one of Finlands largest industries. Gripens are not going to take off from gravel roads, they would use the road bases on the highways.
Technically any wide, straight, hard and flat enough surface works. It's just better to not have to risk the equipment on non-prepared/unpaved roads.
Tho your point still stands! That's the reason for all of those weirdly wide and straight sections of road along the bigger and smaller (for some reason) paved routes in the eastern regions!
Exactly. The forest roads look exactly the same in Sweden.
@@Makapaa in finland there is only couple roads that can be used to supply and operate aircraft from in the times of war. there is exactly 21 roads that can be used, all the logging roads are uneven and not straight meaning they cannot be used at all to land any straight-sweptback wing aircrafts
â@@shinyan5844 And that changes what I'm saying in what way..? It doesn't.
"21 roads that can be used" is false statement. "21 roads that are publicly planned to be used as airfields" is the correct one.
Yeah, these are some serious inaccuracies. The forest industry in Finland is very intense, which means permanent roads are required and maintained. One of the most important things Sweden would provide is the possibility to use airbases in Sweden. Further away from the front line and thus safer.
As a Finnish reservist, if every possible means of communication went down in case of a sudden attack, I'd still know where to go. It would take a day to cycle there although it would take another day to cycle back because they probably would tell me go back because of my age.đ But if I were to be accepted and given equipment, it would take maybe an hour to be an effective member of a squad.
KyllĂ€ noin perkele!! Terveiset AustraliastađŠđŠđșđ«đź
Finlands sak Àr vÄr!
Sverige kÀmpar till den sista Finne
Ruotsi on veljemmeâ€
Och Sveriges sak Àr vÄr!
Rysshatande finnar och svenskar kan ju gemensamt fara Ă„t helvete.
VĂ€lkommen till NATO.
OTAN Ruotsin.
Forests,fog, darkness, frost, lakes, rivers, snipers,mines, smoke,orienteering, time consumption..
Ivan who strayed too far into the forest: drew a map.
Ivan who drew a map: went further into the forest.
Ivan who strayed too far: gave it to the Finns.
That sounds like a black metal song
thats utterly cozy
im a dual citizen finnish american grew up in the states living in finland now... before the border closings etc, st petersburg was a 4.5 hour drive away, and i am west of helsinki
also came here and did my conscript service and in the reserves... there is only one enemy that we are all trained to fight.... ill let you guess
we dopnt have the gripen or any pilots trained on it
we have f/a-18s that are being replaced by f-35s
China?
I think you forgot to mention water that exist in Finnish forest as rivers, lakes, springs, ponds, ditches, and swamps. An area that on a map at the first glance looks like open land is often mostly impenetrable by a mechanized army and sometime even by foot soldiers. Been there, experienced it. Getting across a swamp with full gear on foot in a hurry is daunting because you can't know how deep into water the next step will take you. On most swamps you wouldn't even try.
A slight correction about our air force. The FAF currently operates no Gripen jets. The Gripen-E was a candidate as a replacement to our current jet fighter. The F/A 18 Hornet. Not Super Hornet. And the F/A 18 is slated to be replaced by the F-35 in a few years.
Correct; on the Gripen - it may not have been abundantly clear, but the video was talking about the Gripen being supplied by Sweden, who has treaties to help Finland defend its territory - not the Gripen being run directly by Finland.
One of the reasons Finland doesnât run Gripens themselves is pretty smart. It allows them to import parts / supplies / training for other systems from other partner nations than Sweden. Itâs the same reason Finland doesnât focus on the Archer artillery system.
That allows Swedenâs infrastructure to keep churning out weapons for their own use (that would no doubt be used in Finlandâs defense) while Finland is able to continue to receive weapons from abroad as well.
By having Finland and Sweden trained on different systems it makes their whole war effort more sustainable.
@@icarusproject smart maybe????
I also saw a Archer artilly was loaned out. đ
It warms my heart as a Swede that preparations are made for Swedish support long before we both joined NATO. Never again will Sweden fail to give Finland our military support in case of a conflict. The t-shirt displayed at the end is a bit cheeky but unfortunately well deserved. Swedes have much to thank the Finns for and we are grateful to have such a strong and competent ally.
Correction to correction, Finland we will fly F-35s, as well as Norway. But our air defence between our all three countries (including perhaps Denmark, which is fourth), will be under a single command. That will mean, apart from other things, our Hornets will operate from Sweden and Gripens from Finland. Not that we will not able to disperse our air assets in our our own, but whole Nordics will act as a one.
When the snow starts to whisper in Finnish pray you are on their sideâŠ
*Laughs in thermal and modern camouflage*
I think the video is bit wrong about the landscape of Finland. The lakes, swamps and lack of major roads make it much harder to invade not to mention to dense forests. Perhaps the one who made the video didnt remember how vulnerable soviet supply lines were on these roads. Entire divisions wiped away in matter of days
yep Finlands defense actually relies on this fact way more than on anything else. The amount of lakes in east make a great border to defend from since it forces enemy to focus their power on one point in order to cause a break
plus the forests plus lakss are absolut hell to attack if not even impossible. Russian army relies heavily on logistic routess and because of the lanscape one can understand how hellish those would be to maintain and create in lanscape like that.
@@97Jaska Yeah. Motti tactics all over again.
Exactly. Russia cannot launch an mechanized assault as described in the video. Tanks are useless in those forests.
@@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj are we using the artic fleet and the northern fleet as well? or are we invading by land? if by sea, nords already know there are subs there already. and both fleets patrol... so?
Bang for your buck, Finland might have the best military in the world, they get a lot for what they spend compared to anyone it would seem.
Yeah, the whole military is built around one thought; a Russian invasion. So we can optimize our defence force to one task only, to defend against Russians. This makes resource management very easy, because we don't have to think about how to defend against 100 different enemies.
We have a saying: "if the enemy is in the west, it must have circled from the east."
Conscription is cost-effective
I never thought that a video considering the possibility of an invasion towards Finland would only make me feel safer than ever before. I am hella proud of our knowledge on how to defend our land! I can only hope to be a part of that defense one day too.
Suomalaisten kiukuttelijoitten kanssa en lÀhde vittuilemaan, mutta ollaan ihan perkeleen turvassa vaikka ei siltÀ ensin vaikuttaisikaan. Vittu mikÀ tunne tuli ku kuulee olevansa mahdoton maa valloittaa tuosta noin vain. HyvÀ suomi hyvÀ! Nyt ainoa lause mikÀ tÀstÀ puuttuukin on tÀÀ *SUOMI PERKELE*
The winter war always reminds me old old Finnish joke.
"A Russian commander was on patrol with hes troops, suddenly he hear someone yell: 1 Finnish equal 10 Russians.
General got mad and send 10 troops to attack. He waited a while bu no one come back. Another yell was heard: 1 Finnish equal 100 Russians"
General send 100 troops to attack and again, no one come back. Another yell was heard: 1 Finnish equal 1000 Russians.
General got really angry and send 1000 troops to attack. This time 1 Russian made it back.
Trooper: Commander, don't send any more, they are lying.
Commander: How so?
Trooper: There is 2 of them."
Putin sat down at the chessboard thinking he was a grand master. đ
Putin thought he was playing draughts...
one of his only recorded games is him attempting a scholars mate and losing so hes definitely not some grandmaster lol
He thought he could easily check mate ukraine in 3 moves.... 600+ moves later:
Turns out he studied the cheeseboard rather than the chessboard.
@@quandangle9397 âYou took my queen, both rooks, one bishop and one knight. Now I take saw and cut board in two.â
Holy smokes this was a solid take on the topic, first video I've seen from you and every second was worth the watch. Keep it up man, great content.
"The Soviet invasion was almost three times larger than the Allied landing at Normandy on D-Day." -Ben Strout
That was the scale when Stalin's huge army tried to annex unprepared Finland. The Finns won almost all of the battles but lost the war (mainly because they were out of ammo). The outcome was a moral victory for the Finns and a Pyrhhic victory for the Soviet Union. The funniest thing is that the Finns didn't even have a proper army back then because they thought there are no need for an army and they could live in peace if they just stay neutral and sign a non-aggression pact (Stalin tricked and broke the deal)
Kohta historia toistaa itseÀÀn.
Yeah, moral victory... Is it when you loose, but don't accept it!
@@voldemarvaglaots6690 If Stalin's huge army tries to conquer whole Finland but only gains small border territories with huge losses against unprepared Finland - That's definitely the best possible outcome for the Finns, The Finns won almost all of the battles. Type on Google: "moral victory, the Winter War" + learn
I mean this is the country that developed the Nokia 3310/3315. Those phones alone would be effective projectiles
To give perspective how "good" we are at guerrilla warfare.
US marines landed their helicopter in plans to start their mission, I guess it was capture and hold an area.
They landed INSIDE area where a maintanance team was set up camp. And they had no clue.
Needless to say they got plasted form almost all directions once the maintanance team had cleared that no blue on blue will happen.
They had surveyed the area in some way but we never got to know if it was via a scout team or drones or etc.
And that was US marines against a maintanance team. Not Finnish jaegers or pioneers, but maintanance xD
And its true story happened during my service in the army to my friends unit's maintanance team.
Two other "tower stories" if someone will.
US Marines were training with laser tags with the Finns. They got constantly killed by the Finnish troops, especially by the snipers out of no where. So the US Marines started to cheat, they covered their laser tag sensors to avoid getting tagged. The Finnish lords of the war noticed this later on when they couldn't control the engagements properly as expected, like calling artillery fire on the troops and as some snipers informed that their targets didn't react being "killed".
On another year US Marines were again in the "end game", the Finnish recon teams infiltrated the marines base, sneak to command tents and photographed interior of it. Someone even managed to photograph the interior of the tank from the hatch, crew being inside and unaware of guy climbing on it.
The debriefing was told to be pretty heated among commanding officers for not accepting the recon teams capability go through marines defense perimeters, but luckily it was the photos that were taken with phones that was undeniable evidence.
1am and I have never been happier for an upload
As a Florida Man I get the mosquitoes issues and I didn't realize all these details. Hopefully y'all will never have to use them but always good to have with that country east of you. In the same spirit. Slava Ukraine..I feel for all of you. Your defense is our defense.
The Winter War isn't a distant memory
You are right. All Finn's are children, grandchildren or grand grandchildren of winter war soldier. And we have not forgotten. It has effect to all of us. And that's why we really are prepared if it's needed.
When you constantly continue feeding propaganda to people from cradle to grave, you will be sure that they will think it isn't something that happened long time ago, but think it was just right there and is reason to act by it.
I'd say it's a distant memory, and I'm surely in the top one percentile when it comes to patriotism, military knowledge and history as well as personal arms and shooting.
It was a very long time ago. There are only a handful of veterans still alive from the Winter War.
Finland: Small in number but high in Quality
Modern Soviet Russia: 40K's Human Wave tactics without a sense of irony.
27:45 Doing what Vaults before Vault-Tec did it.
They donât really use human wave tactics. And unfortunately theyâve been learning from their past mistakesâŠ
@@user-yh1nm1vy3i And even more realistic, numbers have a quality of their own. Original human wave tactics were used by Soviets AND WERE SUCCESSFULL. So, if anyone thinks Russia is using Human Wave Tactics - that in itself does not mean they would not work.
@@ThomasTomiczek the Soviet Union wasnât just throwing men at machine guns tho.
âThe Soviets give only half of their soldiers rifles⊠they give the other half SMGsâ
- German guy
@@user-yh1nm1vy3i At times sovietÂŽs didnÂŽt give their troops anything, forcing them to rely on bare fists..
@@user-yh1nm1vy3i They literally are using human wave tactics.
I was bummed at first cause I was super tired when I got the notification but then happily fell asleep to it when I realized I it'd be like a present to wake up to đ
Project Icarus talking about all the cans of whoopass Finland can open on Russia is caffeine in audio form lol love the Finns đșđžđđ«đź
Artillery is one of the main factors in Finlands defense. Finland's army has trained to focus all types of artillery within range to a single spot in a short notice. This includes shooting with varying elevations to get the shell impacts on a very small time window.
The current Finnish fighter fleet is not Super Hornets but legacy Hornets, now being replaced with F-35s.
The caverns and bunkers deep in the bedrock that can withstand any number of direct nuclear blast are not just in Helsinki but literally everywhere. As a child in the suburbs I didn't fully comprehend their grave purpose, or didn't know that the pillbox-like structures within some 200 meters or so from any residential building each had a passageway to the caverns below. Those caverns were fun places, with gyms and swimming pools and karate dojos and what have you (during peacetime). And mysterious inaccessible tunnels branching off, probably for military purposes.
JÀÀkiekkoa pelatessa mÀÀ aina halusin mennÀ yhteen noista sivutunneleista.
I couldn't get into military due to my medical condition, but I love to listen people talking about their conscription times and where they'll be stationed if war was to break.
I remember when I asked my dad and few relatives whom were drunk at that point of where they'll be stationed and word to word the answers went as following:
"Dad: I'll be guarding the closest radio station, but honestly I'm there just to scout the best bush to take cover in 'cause those are first to go." Then he was silent for a second and slammed his hand to the table and went "How the fuck it's my fault that my spotter pointed on a wrong target? As a sniper I could at least lay down..."
"My aunts husband: Well, at least you know which bush to dive in. I'll be dropped into bumfuck nowhere behind the enemy lines for sabotage. At least I can finally make that C4 dildo and blow shit up."
"My dad's best fiend: Welp! I'll just do exactly the same shit I do daily anyways." (He's a truck driver)
Then there was my friend who had been silent all the time and the guys asked about him and he just calmly asked "Is any of you in the Jaeger-regiment? Oh, okay... Well, then it's classified. I never get to speak about these things."
i've been i northern finland. the mosquitos are huge and everywhere, lol. i was there for 2 months 2012 and 2019, 2012 was the worst. my whole body was covered in red spots
The Koskenkorva ad (Finnish vodka) that CZcams added was just perfect! :D
Your T-Shirt should read that Finland has been protecting Sweden from Russia for a thousand years - most of that time as a part of Sweden.
@@carlcramer9269 That makes no sense, as Finns were not fighting Russians during that time. If anything, there were a number of smaller uprisings against the Swedes during their rule.
Better to keep it factually true, it's much better and more comical that way, intead of a lie of a false claim.
@@incumbentvinyl9291 Sweden was fighting Russia - to the last Finn.
@@carlcramer9269 I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. The Swedish Empire had a modern, well educated and trained army at the time. Finnish peasants didn't typically serve in the military of the empire, for numerous reasons.
Finland was a part of Sweden from approximately 1200 to 1809. It was a poor part of Sweden, and as is usual for poorer parts of a country, they were overrepresented in the Swedish military. Especially in Sweden's many wars with Russia, Finns would be an important contingent of troops and would suffer many casualties. When Russia invaded Finland, many, many finnish civilians would also suffer.
No worries about the cold plunge either.
The Finnish bunker infrastructure is so large that they are using some of them to house data centres. The reason is not safety, but that it's freakin' cold down there and chilled water is always available. So, I bet they have chilled pools down there too.
BTW, Europe's LUMI large supercomputer is based in Finland.
Finnish artillery, Norwegian Royal Navy, Swedish tech and air power, Danish special forces - with a nuclear shield and great big check from Uncle Sam. Thatâs a FAFO invitation.
Not to mention the bloodthirst Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians and Poles, just foaming at the mouth to get in on the action.
And combined manpower of what 500k? that's before they start dying and most men in their countries leave and refuse to fight. Oh and by the way, the dead mercenaries in Ukraine from those countries would probably not agree with you.
â@@akatoshmorgul9367 71% of men in finland are ready to defend
Not to mention US, Nordic and German NATO would be flooding in to help.
And the French
@@hermaeusmora4874 Ăm still not totally convinced. In winter war we fought alone⊠with sympathy of western countries and some brave men from Sweden. Thanks for that our western brothers đžđȘđ«đźâ€ïž!
â@@tosa305I mean, last time they were busy themselves, this time, they HAVE to come, we're literally in an defence allience with them.
@@pipopoikapelaa5468 - also for the first time in history the liberal West can directly reach and help Eastern Europe without being blocked by an autocratic Germany. Since Germany is now on our side. đ
@@TenOrbitalGermans just upped their military spending with 100 billion euros per year. Also NAMMO Finnish-Norwegian defense company can do stuff đ CZcams Finnish satellite system called ICEYE. (Yes those names are with all caps if someone is wondering.)
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Love your content, informative and funny - plenty of good info while thoroughly entertaining to watch. Kudos.
Loved the vid and especially that ending message! Never heard that before but you're absolutely right that the infrastructure on both sides is extremely telling. Makes me wonder what 'poor old Russia john mearsheimer' would say about it đ I mean they're obviously so bullied that they are too scared to even build defenses on their Nato border. Someone give Vlad a hug, the poor lil lamb
Finland is most certainly a nighmare for ANY mechanized army to attack regardless of how competent the potential enemy would be. The terrain with forests, lakes and swamps create bottlenecks that will negate any enemy advantage in speed and maneuver by the heavier units. The abundance of artillery fires not only in guns but also in mortars comes from the fact that while the finnish infantry was extremely good at encircling soviet formations in Winter and Continuation war, the lack of sufficient and portable firepower prevented the finns from destroying those formations and instead forced them to attack them head on. No such problem exists nowadays as Finland possess anywhere between 800 to 1500 heavy mortars to complement a strong artillery park.
We should take account the effect of drones. Ukraine war had demonstrated how good drones can be.
Even if Finland has more forest than Ukraine and now limits normal drones effectiveness we should take them in account.
@@rikuvakevainen6157 True, though Finland doesn't only have more forest than Ukraine, we pretty much have more forest than most of Europe put together (probably not counting Sweden). And you can bet the military has been taking lots and lots of notes about the drone usage in Ukraine and will be, and has been, implementing it more and more to the training of new recruits.
and yet, Stalin did just that - and if that backward army could do it, the modern Russian armed forces certainly could, what has happened in Ukraine notwithstanding
@@brianhammer5107 "Happened in Ukraine notwithstanding". Yes, if we deny reality there is a point.
To be hoenst Stalin had a much better chance of success in 1939 than Putin would have now. In 1939 Finland barely had an equipped military, many troops were pretty much only given a belt buckle, a cocard and ammo for their rifle (which many brough with them from home), against a Soviet force that was not only much larger but also much better equipped in most ways. Today neither of those things are true.
@@brianhammer5107 nothing suggest the modern Russian army wouldn't get savaged just like Stalin's troops did by guerrilla tactics.
A simple definition of guerilla warfare is that your weaknesses are your strengths. If they're a big, powerful army and you're tiny - they're easy to hit, you're easy to hit. They require millions of dollars a day to fight, you only require thousands.
Russia's command is practically mediaeval: as a grunt, you will be trained and permitted to, pretty much, only shoot and throw grenades and die. Anything more complex than that requires officers. The reason why so many Russian colonels and generals and such - very high-ranking officers - were getting killed in the Ukraine war was simply because, unlike in any modern army, these guys were at the front doing telling vatniks where to put mortar tubes, machine gun nests, and trenches - stuff that lieutenants and sergeants would be doing in a sane army.
most of the world, in fact, contrary to popular belief, doesn't have a sane army. so it's easy to forget that.
More wet fantasies. How many russian generals died on the front of ~1500 km? Even if it was 15 generals, it's 1 general per 100 km. So all other soldiers on that stretch of 100 km actually know what they're doing?
Where are all the officers btw? You have any theories about that? No? Thought so.
Also, there is no modern army that can fill a frontline of 1500 km with professional army. USA doesn't have that amount of officers.
Pull your head out of your ass.
It feels like it's been so long since your last, fascinating video. Thanks for another seriously high quality upload!
One defense factor that is rarely mentioned about Finland is their bridge and overpass system.
Unlike most countries, bridges and overpasses in Finland were specifically placed so that going offroad to go around them would be next to impossible. The structures are also designed to be easy to destroy (either with placed charges or via artillery). Add to this the fact that every single bridge/overpass's location is dialed into the artillery, and it's easy to block a road in an impassable location and start raining shells on the blocked convoy because every gun within range has their exact location.
They can't go forward, they can't go backward, and they can't go off-road.
Here in the UK, we are sitting ducks. We have become a disparate, rag-bag population of differing cultures, religions, languages, aspirations, idealogies and minority interests. We are divided by inequalities: material and spiritual wealth, education and generation etc. If we had a civil defence force, or conscription, similar to Finland's, it might help to foster a more cohesive society.
That true. The conscription system has also non military advandace: cohesion.
1:30 It is extremely likely that Leningrad's security was merely an excuse to exercise Russian, in this case Soviet Russian, imperialism on Finland. The whole premise behind Stalin's "fear", a naval invasion of Finland by England or Germany, followed by a push through the country, through the narrow Karelain Isthmus and finally into Leningrad itself, made no military sense at all (particularly with the Russian air and naval bases in the Baltic States) and such an attempt would never have succeeded. What is far more likely, and this is backed up by a myriad of events before, during and after the Winter War, is that Stalin's demands against the Finns were only the tip of the iceberg, designed to weaken the country for upcoming annexation, exactly as happened in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, who did accept Stalin's demands.
4:00 I think this is getting a little imaginative. While it is true that there are plenty of roads designed with a potential military use in mind, the bulk of these roads have real peacetime civilian use and they've been constructed for that use. The population density on the Russian side of the border is definitely not the same as it is on the Finnish side of the border: especially after WW2 the Russians collectivised the native East Karelians, which depopulated the smaller villages of the entire region. Sometimes these villages may have been physically razed to the ground, as happened on the Karelian Isthmus. This meant the death of the elaborate road network and most of it was left to the forces of nature for decades, even more so after the collapse of the USSR. Compare that to the Finnish side of the border where the bulk of the country is dotted by inhabited villages and farms.
c. 10:00 Regarding FDF doctrine, service rates (how many men of their respective birthyears serve) and women in the army, due to budget cuts c. 2010 the FDF had to reinvent itself with a guerrilla doctrine. Now with better funding and joining NATO, the doctrine is likely already in the process of being radically revamped. That is not to say the FDF won't still be capable of guerrilla-style operations; it absolutely will be.
The bulk of Finnish men may have served in the military, but yearly service rates are down to 60% or less; 2022 saw the training of only 19,600 conscripts, and likely only about 14,600 of those actually finished service. The service rate's been going down for decades. In the 1950s it was over 90%.
There are scarcely any women in frontline roles, "women training to be marksmen" is certainly a cherrypicked point when it's probably like 5 women out of 10,000 guys (not a real statistic, just making a point).
11:00 You're quoting the current wartime strength of 280,000 as the standing army. That is not the standing army. First let's make a couple of things clear, since earlier you also called the FDF a professional military. A professional military consists of the people employed by the military: the people who do that for a living, for a career, not the people conscripted to serve in it for X amount of months. The FDF is a conscription-based military, meaning it has a small professional core of soldiers employed by the FDF; mostly the brass and then the people who train the conscripts and the people who manage everything required for that. The exact opposite of a professional military. The US has a professional military, as does Germany, the UK, France, and so on. Finland does not. The standing military (army, navy, air force) is about 8,400 professionals. Wikipedia claims the standing military is 24,000 strong, based on a 2023 figure, but that's including all conscripts who entered service. Each year about 5,000 of those drop out before finishing service and realistically only those nearing the end of their service in June or December can be considered as combat-ready almost off the bat (without requiring extensive extra training). So realistically the standing military is around 8,400-19,000 strong, depending on the time of year.
As for the reserve, first we have to understand what that is in the context of a conscription-based military: The reserve is simply the amount of men who have completed conscription who are under a certain age (in the Finnish case, 50 for rank and file, 60 for NCOs and COs, and there is no age limit for generals). Currently that is about 870,000 men. Of that 870,000, there are wartime roles prepared for 280,000 men, along with the materiel and munitions stored required to kit those 280,000 men. That is the wartime reserve. Now, in reality it's actually closer to 260,000, because they did some "cooking of the books" c. 2015 by including the border guards and some other organisations into the wartime strength, that would have been mobilised during war anyway, just not as a part of what is understood to be the FDF's wartime reserve. Currently there's probably enough materiel to equip about 500,000 men if so desired. Incidentally, in the early 1980s the total reserve was some 1,200,000 men while the wartime reserve was some 750,000 men. It's only gone down since, with the exception of the c. 2015 raise from 230,000 to 280,000. Note also that in the event of mobilisation some refreshner training is to be expected even if belonging to the current wartime reserve.
29:20 There's also the Murmansk Railway (Kirov Railway). Granted, I don't know what your definition of "viable link" is. The railway was certainly viable in WW2.
I hope I didn't come off as too harsh. I think accurate information is paramount, otherwise a well-intended message can sound like nothing but propaganda to a well-informed listener.
I happen to live 20km from the border and the environment here is beautiful.
Just to be clear, Finland has hornets, not super hornets. Also Finland opted for the F-35 in the future, so Finnish pilots won't be trained to use the Gripen
But very well educated swedish pilots would be in Finland, defending their border.
This war you are talking about, which is known in Finland as Talvisota(The winter war) had actually a really good effect on finnish people. It united the nation divided by the previous Finnish civil war. It's really good that they survived those wars and now they are fighting with nato if something happen's. In another case I could be dead (or Russian).
The real question, should Russia invade Finland, is how much land would Finland end up gaining?
The same amount as Ukraine gained đ
Why would we want any? maybe the parts that we lost during WW2 but even that is questionable. You guys have any idea how much it would cost to bring Vyborg up to speed with rest of the country? Granted having a port in the arctic sea would be nice with Petsamo, but still. Nevcer min it would either have the current Russian population or we'd have to migrate a lot of population to those places.
No one here who thinks actually wants that land back... unless Russia also pays for the fixing and clean up.
This time though I winder if there's a Russian general cursing that unlike last time they didn't even get enough land to bury their dead this time.
Sometimes an tsar of russia really may have been thought what to do wit that eastern part Sweden. Alexander the one. He had no idea...that after 1809.
19:15 correction, finland isn't in Scandinavia, Scandinavia is just Sweden, Norway, Denmark
better word for this would be the Nordics, which includes scandinavia along with Finland and iceland
Maantieteellisesti osa Suomesta sijoittuu Skandien vuoristoon, joten voi sanoa, ettÀ Suomi on myös osa Skandinaviaa.
@@nami-3 pökÀle
Finns don't get agry if they're called Scandinavians. It's not like saying Scots are English. And actually it's only Sweden and Norway who are located in Scandinavian peninsula. Denmark lost it's Scandinavian parts when they lost SkÄne to Sweden (and Finland because Finland then was part of Sweden)
That depends. Most commonly it refers only sweden, norway and denmark but it could also be Finland too because of economical and cultural similarities. One could argue that Denmark isn't part of scandinavia (scandinavian peninsula) but northwestern area of Finland is. Overlall most people in these countries doesn't matter if finland is included. But nordics would overall be best term to use in these situations.
â@@laxyyorma7016 At least me and the people I know get angry when we are called scandinavians!
Actually Finnish Air Force *does not have* Super Hornets, but currently C and D types of regular F-18's, which are pretty well updated, even
with latest ground attack missiles.
F-35's in the future (Eurofighter Typhoon would have been my favourite)
Greets from a Finn that lives 25km away from Russian border. âđ«đź
Hornets are fine, but they need replacing due to the service life of the airframes coming to an end in the near future due to heavy use.
F-35A will be a technical leap ahead, however. Finland will have more 5th generation fighters than Russia has. Our air force can fly in our own airspace without a need to fear the enemy air defence.
Its pretty simple math why Finland chose F35 over any other plane. That plane also comes with an extra feature: Made in the U.S.A.
@@daimonien It is better option than the 4.5 gen fighters it competed against if we want to have an advantage over the Russian Air force and their air defenses. For Finland it is a matter of survival and we can't afford to put that at risk due to some fake intra-european favouritism.
Russia should be forced to return the land they stole from Finland after the Winter War, including eastern Karelia and what had been Finland's second city of Viipuri.
20:03 That's my ship. The ship I served on. 9 months. Good times. It was the flagship of the Finnish Navy 12 years ago when I lived there.
Couple of my friends also served on the ship Pohjanmaa like 13-14 years ago.
Those forest roads are gravel and have nothing to do with airplanes, they are for logging trucks
The forest roads are for mobile artillery. You need to clean your ears.
@@NateWhitehorse Theyre neither for those. Theyre literally just for logging trucks. They dont have any strategical thinking in their development
source: i build em
@@kanggoo57 That's even more brilliant. It has a civilian purpose and a military purpose. We do the same thing here in America. Most people think our infrastructure is only for civilians. Little do Americans know, it has a military purpose as well.
Destroyers "capable of instantly transforming into submarines" đI guess this very pointed remark got way too little attention!
Funland has 24 airports including 6 military ones and about the same number of paved spare air strips. No Gripens wouldn't be operating from gravel roads.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Why would you use airfields where Russia could attack these obvious places (and where Finlands american airplanes would be), when you can use roads once, and move to another spot? It's insane that Finland don't use Gripen instead, since they would suit them a lot better. But that's because of politics.
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Firstly paved spare air strips ARE roads. Just broader, thicker and without obstacles for planes.
Secondly getting a stone into a turbine is kind of a issue.
Thirdly most gravel roads are not even broad enough for Gripen.
Fourthly aerial refuelling is a thing.
The Finnish air force does operates neither Super Hornets nor Gripens. It flies F/A 18 C Hornets but has agreed on a deal to replace them with F--35s.
Correct, but swedish Gripen would be there defending Finland.
not only is finland now part of NATO we are also part of the EU and the eu defence clause has a stronger wording than the Nato one. Nato article 5 states "individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary" and the EU one is "Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power" (EU article 42)
All hail Simo HÀyhÀ, the White Death!
Even if guerrilla tactics had some role in winter war, most of the action in Karelia isthmus was trench warfare.
And almost everyone who Finns fought against, were Ukrainians. Very small percentage were Russian's that Finns fought against.
The Ukrainians didn't know the weather, nor terrain. And they lacked the equipment as they left them to Ukraine.
As well Finns were well prepared for the trench warfare, as they had prepared the positions in plan to invade Soviet Union, and capture territory from Russia. This was one of the demands from Soviets peace treaty with Finland, to stop hostilities and deconstruct the military bases and trenches from the border, so that Finland could not use it to support invasion to Russia.
It is sad that all the lives were lost for nothing, the land was lost that Soviet Union tried to negotiate in peace, and some more, thanks to USA dictating the new border and loss of territory to Russia as penalty from alliance with Nazi Germany and fighting against Allies.
The guerilla tactics has no purpose, it is today the artillery and the drones. At the time there were no thermal cameras, no ground radars, satellite imagery, ground sensors etc. Even when it is today claimed to be a shovels vs best of the best NATO has, the guerilla tactics can be forgotten as it is pretty much trench warfare via demilitarization.
Southern Finland is full of bridges and hard to pass terrain, invading force would be met by blown up bridges and those narrow routes that cant be demolitioned are covered by one of the largest artillery forces in the world đ
and the mentioned finnish road system is heavily designed towards north - south connections instead of east - west, allowing defenders to flank, reinforce, strike and flee with far greater efficiency than an invading force can invade
Russia does NOT have three million soldiers. That number includes ALL service personnel and ALL reserves. The actual army is only around 500k men.
Great video!
Excellent content and no muzak! Thanks
Love the sense of humor guys. Gives all this stuff a bit of light-heartedness
Overstated the range of Finnish artillery. Majority of fixed artillery pieces are 122mm Soviet artillery with 15.4km range. Second largest number is Finnish made 155mm artillery with 23km of range and 30km with base bleed shells. Finland has 56 pieces of 155mm artillery which has 28km normal range and 40km with base bleed shells. Finland has some K9 self propelled artillery with long range, and has ordered more for its mechanized brigades. We have some M270 launchers whose range is what you have quoted as a range for our fixed artillery.
Also, you can actually nuke a place with minimal fallout, just make sure the explosion height is high enough to fireball not hitting ground. And bunkers don't really help if people are not there when explosion happens. Also, the health risks of small amounts of radiation have been exaggerated by the media.
The radiation effects of slowly accumulating 1 Sv is about cancer risk of average alcohol consumption. And units in fall out charts are 1:100th of that per hour and it gets reduced by factor of 10 every 7 hours until short lived isotopes have spent their radiation. So if wind would blow directly to Saint Petersburg and detonation would be on the ground in Helsinki the cancer risk increase would be less than 1% even without taking any precautions, for their typical warhead of 800kt. And that's assuming above average wind speed directed towards St. Petersburg. If we assume full storm winds towards St. Petersburg for entire trip then situation changes and it would be a real health risk but not the kind people typically assume from fallout.
This is where nuclear panic of Green movement have caused people to miss the forest from the trees. Being inside Fukushima exclusion zone has about same cancer risks as being average alcohol user for equivalent amount of time. The unit used in Fukushima radiation map after accident was 1 millionth of cancer risk of average lifetime alcohol consumption for each hour so even when it was acute most of the evacuation area wasn't too dangerous.
And I'm not dunking on alcohol for this. Smoking causes a lot more cancer deaths, and fewer people smoke.
So nope, Russia would be willing to nuke the neighboring countries. Also even their tactical nuclear weapons could cause a serious devastation with even smaller fallout from ground burst.
Yes. Russia has in its arsenal Nuclear weapons that would cause real problems for St. Petersburg , if they choose surface detonation when wind direction is towards them. But they don't need to use their largest nuclear weapons for that. Medium or "small" would definitely be enough, and they can choose the detonation height and time it based on wind directions.
On the other hand, we have already ordered David's sling from Israel, and once it gets delivered nuking Helsinki would need a lot of Nukes to make sure at least one gets through thus variability of potential consequences would be greater.
Those M270 we have use ATACMS missiles so the range is ~300km. Which are to be replaced with the new PrSM missiles (range up to 500km)
@@Kuutti_original We didn't buy those missiles. We decided they were too expensive. This year we get deliveries for longer range version of GMLRS. Before those missiles the range of what we have is limited. The launchers had to be upgraded to become capable of using those long range missiles, but as a side benefit they could also launch PrSM missiles IF we would got them. The 150km from long range GMLRS should be enough for our use.
@@jouniosmala9921 If that is the case i stand corrected. But thats interesting as ive heard from the people who served with these that we have them (ATACMS). But when i swept the internet about your claim, it really seems true as the order was indeed cancelled. Maybe because we have other long range weaponry. Anyways thank you i learned something new today :)
@@jouniosmala9921 However i forgot to say that but 150km range isnt really enough, we need and want to have our own capability to strike far behind enemy lines. On top of those we already have, those are vital in all out war.
@@Kuutti_originalYes. Stalin kept his factories behind the Ural. He got airplane engines and supplies from the USA and resembled them there and flew those to the battle. They also made tanks and hell of a lot of them. When Hitler met Mannerheim he told that Stalin has a factory as big as something like 200000 workers that makes tanks. Lots of tanks. Ukraine needs to level every single Ruzzian refinery and factory. Troops go nowhere when you donât have fuel and best is that the tanks never leave the factory.
The information about the Finnish airforce is incorrect, 16:55 describes us having Superhornets and Gripens, which is not the case, Finland has only the older F/A-18 Hornets and that are to be replaced by F-35's soon.
(superhornets and Gripens were offered as the next generation, but F-35 was chosen)
It's called shoot and Scoot it's where self-propelled artillery fires off a volley and then move on to the next location.
so, the trees haven't really ever stopped speaking Finnish. And on top of that, they now have the added mobility of modern armor? I pity the fool trying to invade that stretch of forestland :D
Consider that this boarder has remained stable for 80 years, with not one single hint of hostility from the Finish side, Russia has nothing to fear, even if Finland did Ally with a stronger country.
So the real question is, why motivate Finland to formalize such an alliance with a stronger country by making threats and attacking other countries that border Russia?
It's spelled B O R D E R.
70% of Finns support conscription. Amazing.
After the Russian invasion of the Ukraine it has risen to 82% in favor. Will to defend has also risen from 68% to 83%
Personally, I can't imagine anyone unwilling to commit to the actual defense of their own nation. Maybe Finns are more willing to be conscripted in the event of an existential crisis because they have a higher degree of confidence that they won't be shipped to a foreign land to serve in some politician's folly.
The quality of training is not so high as described here...
which is crazy considering what the current government is doing to students and poor people in Finland
First and foremost we defend our homes, families and our way of life not the government that gets voted out by every four years.
Nice! Welcome back. This is a very fitting video since you recently talked about Sweden as well and the new factors that the Nordic nations bring to NATO and stopping Russia.
Finland is not Scandinavian.
@@RabbitShirak My bad, I corrected it :)
As a finn and having been through the army highways goin east- west are made to be hell for invaders. Roads not making corners for 10's of kilometres and bends being behind hills make it so you can bottleneck your enemies with no problems.
Yep, just 150km to St Petersburg. But 80yrs ago is was all much closer to the border.
If we're fair, Finland made peace on unfavourable terms twice with the USSR between 1939 - 45.
_(In fact, I've noticed quite a few unusual errors in this video. I do expect better at Icarus tbh.)_
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This video forgot one very important thing. Civilians in Finland have a lot of weapons. The number of legal guns in relation to the population is one of the largest in the world.
Powerful hunting weapons and semi-automatic rifles. No Russian occupier would live anywhere in Finland for more than a few minutes...
Bulletproof vests do not protect when the hunter has a rifle with good optics. If you are within 300 meters then you die. The cartridges needed to bring down big game are freely available for purchase with a gun license.
Your proposal is biased the narrative you trying to put is Russia is doing this to conquer Moreland which is false.. What is happening is a result of nato aggression towards Russia the same thing facing russia will face China and China will forced to act and you and other will call it conquering instead of analyzing why we are here
That won't work cause drone can detect using thermal image troops hiding in the forest
We Finns say "Don't F'ck with us!"
They have done this before with the help of the other n4zies
â@@kristjanga22study history. Finn's were never nazis. After winter war, we only attached same time with nazis. To get our stolen lands back. That's it We never did those Nazi things. We just wanted our lands back. We never even wanted to get Russians lands. We only wanted to took back our own lands. And after we made a peace with the soviets, we kicked the Germans out of our country and had a war with them.
I never knew that about Finnish road systems even though I am fin very nicely done!
There is a small mistake in the video. Finish Airforce do not operate the F-18 SuperHoirnet just the regular one from the 90's. And those are to be replaced with the F-35A's
This is all possibly true, but we have crossed into the era of drone warfare, and it is unclear how ready is the Finnish army for that kind of engagement.
Finland has invested heavily in artillery and that is still very much relevant. See the only European country with a longer land border with Russia: Ukraine.
But sure, Finland has drones and is getting more.
Well, modern nuclear warheads do not make radiation spread like those old ones. It's pretty minimal radiation todays.
Yea, modern nukes are efficient and very clean because they use all the radioactive elements to power the explosion. The example of Chernobyl was really stupid.
Better example would have been Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which even for an "old" nuke had very little effect to it's surrounding (regarding radiation).
If this video is correct, it sounds like Finland's military should be a gold standards for the other European militaries.
Pretty much. Unlike most European nations that gave up on conscript based military, we have kept that in Finland ever since WW2 ended and did not run it down after Cold War ended. Plus lets not forget we are replacing our F18s with F35s, we are doubling our number of K9 tracked howitzers to almost 100x of them, we are building 4 brand new corvette class ships (the most advanced and largest ships ever in our navy) and we also ordered David's Sling anti ballistic missile system to counter the threat of Russian missiles.
Next we are planning to get brand new assault rifles to finally replace our RK 62s (although I suspect we will simply put them on storage, just in case) and most likely will put order for 100x new main battle tanks to replace the older Leo 2A4s...and ofc get proper amount of drones as well, but for the latter the reseach is going on on what kind of drones we actually need and not just buy things randomly.
For its size, yes
Small correction. The Finnish air force doesn't the Super Hornet, but the regular F/A-18C Hornet. Super Hornet would be the twin-seater E or F model.
No it's not. Super Hornet is an entirely different aircraft, not a model of the legacy Hornet.
@@jaakkomaaniemi2136 Ok. Kinda weird they named it the same like it was a continuation.
30:45 I have such "fortified border wall" fencing a nearby airport, ROFL!
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Modern nukes dont actually throw that much radiation, atleast compared to nuclear meltdowns like Chernobyl. The blast radius is far far larger.
The main strength of the Finns is having massive support from allied countries. Norway, Denmark and Sweden would provide great air forces and extra troops. France, Poland and the UK would probably provide support also.
Well now that Finland is part of NATO, the whole alliance would have to come to aid, otherwise NATO would cease to exist if its members wouldn't do their duty.
But ye even without any aid, its very hard for Russia to do any such attack against Finland as they did against Ukraine to begin with: geography is completely different (much harder for invading army) and Finland is much more prepared and better equipped
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