The J35XS Is A Pay To Win J35D
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Ammo: Air targets
Weapons: 6x Aim-9J Sidewinder + flares
Convergence: 600 meters
Vertical Targeting: No
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FYI, the J35's flight model has changed since your J35A video. As youve said, it's very prone to flat spinning and no longer able to do the cobra or pull high Aoa in general. This change was never listed in any changelogs, and Gaijin has made no response to bug reports. If you could bring this issue to the public conscious, next time you talk about the J35, that would be an amazing step towards fixing this great plane.
at this point, they seemingly nerf anything non-russian
No.
@@gtifighter f14a f16 adv usa has been shitting on everyone i arb over the past 6 months abd the f4j was good now mediocre
Gaijin doesn't like for planes in the game to be enjoyable to fly. If your plane feels good to fly they'll first nerf the rudder and if that wasn't enough they'll reduce the compression speed then increase the roll rate to a stupid degree so it feels like an arcade game.
Cope
this video is the first time I've ever seen someone actually get kills with this thing. Usually when I see the J35XS in a game it instantly dies.
In uptier or just dummy’s
Could just be new players thinking the draken is the best jet of all time it’s kinda hard to learn especially with no tracers
Because most people who buy it have no idea what they're doing. That's why pay to win is a terrible argument.
Agreed
@@bradentucker4854 i spaded the worse version the j35d and this jet is meant to climb to 4k alt in 10.0 games and rain missiles down on slow jets. In uptier you have to play safe and be a support jet like the viggen
You can 100% go out of flat spin by using full controls, and starting to swing your plane up and down (and actually using other controls to increase the rotation)
Absolutely, you've gotta kill the engine, point the plane towards the ground, and then use your rudder in the opposite direction of the spin. This works mostly every time
No you can't.
@@ToyotaTechnicalI flat spinned 20 min ago so idfk what ur on about
@@2milk867 You can't point the plane towards the ground if it's in a full flat-spin and none of your inputs are doing anything.
@@mxracer3 Either upload a video of you exiting a FULL flat-spin in the J35 or you're completely full of BS
About the flatspin problem: A flatspin is super easy to get out of, even in this a/c. The problem is the mouse aim/instructor. Both are constantly trying to correct the aircraft which leads to it blocking the rudder for your own actions. What you have to do is, switch to relative control or mouse-joystick, reduce throttle to 0, press the rudder against the direction of spinning and when you have regained the ability to control with the elevators, go full nose down and max reheat. Ater tht you got back control over your a/c.
I tested this multiple times and it always worked. When it happens in a dogfight...well bad for you :D
Yeah it's quite easy to pull out of a flat spit when you expect it but they are still a death sentence, especially if you don't gain control if it instantly
The way you play this vehicle has completely changed as of this morning, with the Tornado IDS Marineflieger dropping the matchmaker is heavily skewed towards full up tiers. Its a completely different game for this and other 10.7 Aircraft than it has been for the last few weeks, as until now it had a very generous matchmaker. This morning has been almost entirely up tiers to 11.3 at the least. Also something of note, this aircraft has an IRST that is at the least more useful than just flying with your Radar off, if not by much. You can still use it to slave missiles however, which is useful in a turn fight if you find yourself in one for some reason.
The IRST lock on let’s you lead the missiles like a muthafucka
12:01"Pre-flaring is not really a great idea"
Me with my Jaguar A with 252 Flares:
Hihihiha😂
just so everyone knows who does not know finnish airforces. Their next jet after that MiG-21 will be F/A-18, so if you are into that and have this draken I recommend grinding the finnish tree.
I think gajin should add the ability for drakens to deploy their drouge chutes in flight at lower speeds. I belive draken pilots used to do this to get out of flatspins but i am not sure
People would complain immediately and want that for all planes. That'd be the most OP "I'm gonna hit the brakes and he'll flight right by" ever.
@@willsimpson3783 The drogue chutes rip at loke 400km/h go test flight and activate drogue chute on something with enough power to accelerate with it on like the mig23 an go as fast as possible with the chute on and evenyually it will rip. This would make it basically useless in combat.
I recently started watching your vids, now I die slightly less and can actually get up higher in the tech tree so thanks :). Most important advice I heard was only blame yourself for your death
One could even say that the J35XS has 2 excess missiles over the J35D
Negative!
@@bradentucker4854 Attack the D point!
Xtra Sidewinders
@@MausOfTheHouse Never!!!!
i call that plane a JESUS
To me there are two important things that a premium brings to the table. 1) It generally has a lower repair cost than it's tech tree equivalent. Sometimes *much* lower. 2) It earns more SL to pay for that repair. Content creators don't just down play this. Generally this is completely ignored. I don't understand why.
Because thats a given and not the selling point. CC's will talk about premiums as if it's any other vehicles in the game and you decide based on their gameplay, advice, thoughts etc if that vehicles is worth the $ amount for your budget. If not then look at other premium options if available.
Play the yak 15p
Why when U can play mig 15 pt
There's nothing to review. It's shit. That's all.
@@lilgamer4122 the what
@@lilgamer4122 gotta love the mig 15PT.
thats my favorite mig 15.
No contest.
Best jet at rank 2.
Awesome even in uptiers to 3.3
@@TheLazyKat I ment mig 15 bis I got confused with the mig 19 pt
P51 pilot malding in the chat kills me
I think draken should be 10.3 now, j35XS is beyond pay to win at this point
Gaijin do not put j35a at 10.3 it shouldn’t be 9.7
@@griffinteter1878 what? It’s already 9.7
@@griffinteter1878 he meant the J35D, not the A variant, which makes sense cuz it’s very much on par with the mirage IIIC, which is 10.3 too
j35d is extremely overtiered
This thing has an IRST if you don’t want to use radar.
you're one of the few tings keeping me going
Defyn do you use obs to record your vids also love the vid
9:26 That F-4C is an AI lmao
Well the AI does appear to have the same playstyle as some people lol
@@ollilaine6763 Yeah, no way to tell with F-4 players haha
Not sure if you know it but the J35XS has an IRST and it pretty potent since the radar is quite bad at low and medium altitude
I really want to get this but at the same time I sure as hell ain’t paying 70€ for a single plane. But I’m not sure if I’ll have much use for it as a grinder by the time a sale actually appears.
Have any Swedish planes or nah?
@@bradentucker4854 I am researching the AJ37 currently
@@Amexel once you get the aj37 throw a talisman on that if you don’t wanna don’t wanna spend how ever much the top premium costs the aj37 is pretty good for 10.3 strong engine good radar meh weaponry though
@@Amexel I am using the AJ currently and I'm using 2x rb24J, one flare pod and one gun pod. My go to strat is to B-line the flanks so I get behind the slow A10s from above. Almost garuanteed 2 kills every game and I am shit at playing jets tbh. It is still really hard to compete in uptiers tho
@@mrunitforge using that same loadout. I always go flanks, either fully or only slightly. Depending on what tier I'm facing I either go high to get the drop on unsuspecting base bombers or go low to avoid nasty radar missiles in an uptier. Tho luckily I don't have to worry about the F14 anymore.
If they don't add this to the regular Swedish tech tree I will piss blood please I need more Draken
Another very informative and interesting video. Would love to hear your opinion on something like the 6.7 jets, such as the Yak-15 and the ME-162.
He has a 162 video already
No way you'll ever get him to play the salamander again
@@jblakemore True, but its 2 years old now. The game has changed quite a bit since then. Would be cool to see an updated version.
@@noahg1121 the 162 plays pretty much the same tho its one of the most boring play styles in the game
@@jblakemore I don't play German Aviation all that much, so I'll take your word for it. Still, an updated version would be nice, but whatever. His call at the end of the day.
Sweeden normally : whats a countermeasure? Sweeden when developing the jas39d, just put 700 on there.
I used the J29D to grind the whole tech tree when it came out and absolutely loved it
But damn that thing got powercrept into oblivion
I also have the 29d, it's actually a good buy cuz youre able to skip a lot of expensive tech tree jets by just playing the j29d.
Me too, but I take different approach. I usually target 2 light pillboxes, and save the rest for head-on. This usually get me profit (especially in conjunction with premium account).
remember when premiums were a sidegrade, and not a direct upgrade at the same br?
When in superstall, cut throttle, pop airbrakes, switch to full control mode. Turn your rudder TOWARDS the direction that you are spinning, not counter to it. Pull up and down repeatedly until you get close to the tipping point, at which moment you should use your rudder (in moderation) to get your plane from pointing up to pointing down. At that point you should be able to start flying normally again. Try this out in test flights at different altitudes. Every Draken pilot should know how to get in and out of a superstall.
You almost always hit the ground before you go through that entire process anyway
IRL, if you are in super stall, it certain death as Trident, and DC 9 family found out.
@@DEFYN it is a matter of practice, it shouldn't take long to get out of the superstall state. If you die it's either because you got into the superstall at low altitude, or someone shot you down on your way out of the superstall. If you don't intend to fly the Draken again, don't bother with it. But players who want to use the J35XS to grind the whole tech tree should practice this
Absolute travesty that they added this as a premium. They should've placed a J35D alternative as the premium (i.e. Austrian model) and placed this in the Finnish subtree. What a joke.
considering the rb24J is rear aspect, were you only able to get the lock at 6:52 because the f14 is so hot?
Yeah the F14 and other hot twin engine planes (F4, Mig29, etc) can sometimes allow for rear aspect missiles to get a front/side aspect lock on em at close range
@@Northern00 thanks man
i find that the irst on the j-35sx is nice for keeping a lead, before the missile can lock.
the flatspins are an issue of the ingame instructor (your computer guided control surface manipulator that accepts input from hovering your mouse around) freaking out at low speeds and high AOAs, if you used full real controls with no flight instructor you wouldn't have flatspinned, i think, or at least it would be significantly easier to recover.
use the full controls mode and start using w/s to rock ur plane up and down (remember to be at 100% throttle) after a few moments u will be free
There are more premium drakens than tech tree ones
The only thing that I’m tempted to buy from this update but still hesitant because I want to see more reviews
I mean if you want it and you really feel like your gonna use it and if you think it’s worth it: time/money then I suggest buying it. I bought the Japanese f4 and it was definitely worth it for me even though it wasn’t good I still grinded out the Japanese tree.
why spend 70 bucks on it, cant u just grind sw- nvm
Regardless of how good the premium is, an important thing to think about is the tech tree itself.
Just know these doritos have a learning curve, they are powerful but nobody I have ever faced knows how to properly fly this thing. From my perspective, J-35 are the easiest to kill because they are very easy to energy trap.
I got it. Averaged 3 kills a game its pretty dam fun
ooooooo you mentioned the Gripen!!!
A j35 that dont die in a flatspin instantly. Thats new!
I read the thumbnail as “JESUS BEST DRAKEN” 😂
Tbf, one good thing about this patch (and those P2W) is now in my 35d, at least I can face something that I can at least live longer and get some kill there and between as now it seems I rarely get uptired
1:40 if you ever run out of content ideas can you make a video on the J29F? I tried spading it recently and from my experience it's very far from "ok", probably the worst 9.0 that i've ever played at any given time, i had to spam boosters to get it done as painlessly as possible. If a Su-25 manages to get a missile lock onto your plane there is not a single possible scenario where you'll be able to dodge it, the plane isn't fast enough, doesn't accelerate well enough and doesn't turn enough, you're guaranteed to die if you get a higher performing missile launched towards you, like 9Js or the regular R-60s, let alone the Ms.
you got your video now 6 months later
in jets you can actually make use of cloud cover and my favorite thing to do is get into the clouds asap and dive out behind everyone, missile dump & run. make them all panic, lol
My plan to grind Sweden is and get the first jets. Talisman the A21RB and then finally talisman the aj37 (or not). But this plane just seems fun…
the attacker line is bonkers for sweden despite of it having just 1 or 2 planes per rank(except rank 5)
I don't know if it's worth getting the j35 xs because I'm already got the saab 105 but the grind is so painfully slow especially at 8.7
that sonic boom tho 6:55
I have climbed in to the intake of j35 draken
to recover from a spin in the J35 just throttle down and pop the airbrake then go full afterburner once it is falling nose down. you don't even need to touch the controls most of the time.
Let’s go!
Will you do a vid on the Event Tornado?
I don't think he would do tornado again.
I never flat spinned in it yet after like 20 games did one of the recent patches fix it ?
Yeah they changed the flight model
Great vehicle, but not having tracers makes it a pain in the ass to get kills with the gun. I do have to say only like 5% of the games will be uptier so you'll almost never see F-14's
Yeah it’s funky to get a kill with the one gun on the wing the missiles and IRST carries me along with knowing how to fly the draken
A-5C has 18 countermeasures
The cannons definitely hit hard, I definitely disagree with that. They are slow and without tracers - so pretty difficult to get used to, but you can easily kill people with a 4-5 round burst.
The premium Draken has a very generous matchmaker right now and you’ll rarely see a full uptier with F16s/MIG29s. You can turn off your radar and use IRST to slave your missiles. A very effective strategy is to gain altitude quickly and catch people 3-4 off guard with your missiles. You can dodge a lot of IRs and some SARHs based off your ability to pull high-g maneuvers and break lock. I wish the flares could be dispersed in smaller amounts, but it’s better than having none.
Planes that give it the most difficulty are MiG23s and F14s. Everything else you can dominate in a one circle and use your altitude/speed to your advantage. The Swedish tree’s future is very exciting to think about with the addition of AMRAAMS on the JA37D variant, as well as early versions of the Gripen.
What is the best "Gun Convergence" for the "J35XS" and have you "Vertical Targeting" ON or OFF?
Check the description
why don't you use the irst?
I feel bad for the Ariete in that furball... poor guy cant do anything pretty much
Well at least it wasn't missiled from miles away and kinda got the chance to dogfight...
Should i buy it when its 50%off?
Can you show what to do with the su 22m3 at 11.0
Yeah just bomb and stay low don’t enter the fur ball pick off stragglers it can dog fight decent but you only have 3 uses of flares if you bring mixed
The cockpit is also useable.
P51 guy knows what's up. I bring the H into top tier. And always get at least 1-2 kills. There's always a couple of idiots that try to head on or dogfight me.
been playing for 8 years two people on one account and we've maxed the German tanks and gotten to 10 planes for usa and Germany. if it took us that long I can imagine others just buy premiums but its a problem when half the lobby is premium planes/ tanks/ ships
i have 3500 hours of game time and have spaded almost every japanese german and american aircraft with about half spaded for every other country and have over half the german ground tree spaded and close to half of america spaded never had a day of premium and only bought the american 109 after getting a 95% off ticket and even then it was paid for with ge wager almost all premium players i have played against lately are absolute trash they bee line for the nearest person and hyper focus on them if they some how dont die in the head on and dont manage to ram the other person they then try turn fighting no matter what they are in or what they are fighting the game is fucking infested with casual retards who have never played the game before yet bought there way into any tier they could afford and can only spawn and die i cant wait till boredom of repeating this cycle causes them to quit so i can have some games where its not a bunch of retarded casual players
Btw it should also get Falcons, both IR and Radar versions but the snail is too lazy
It feels like they are going to be absolutely useless and just worse than the aim 9J’s
They will never model AIM-4s because the missiles were garbage. They probably don't give a damn that the Swedish versions were improved either. It should get R-13Ms though, since the Finnish Drakens were modified to carry them. But I guess no fun allowed, as usual.
I fly the J35XS low and as an opportunistic fighter.
Turn off the radar, and turn on the IRST acq mode.
It’s very effective in taking out enemies who are tunnel visioned onto your friendlies.
I really love 9Js, honestly. I've been short on time to play WT recently so I've used the F-4E to grind out the event, and the 9Js have treated me really nicely. They feel almost like how PL-5s look to use, although I haven't used PL-5s so I couldn't say how accurate that feeling is. This plane gets six 9Js with good MM... *I want it*
9J's are nothing like PL-5's at all.
@@jaek__ I said "feel" and I meant only "feel". PL-5s are way better, obviously.
@@ghostofthecommentsection yeah they feel nothing like them either
Are you sure about the AKANs not hitting hard? Every time I see you land a shot with them they seem to shred what you hit.
I’d say they slap when they hit I have a fuck of a time hitting shots with the XS though
Is it weird to anyone else that missiles are restricted from some planes? What we've seen over the course of modern wars is that Air Forces find ways to fit new missiles onto their older air frames. For example, the Ukrainian Air Force has figured out ways to jerry-rig the targeting systems for newer NATO missiles on their older air frames. Meanwhile, in Gaijin's alternate reality, we can't use some missiles that we know planes have actually carried because...well...reasons.
I would get this if it had the Falcon missiles. Don't care people don't understand the use of those missiles, I just like them historically.
To get out of flat spin you need to lean into the way the plane is spinning with the joy stick or keyboard and rudder the opposite direction. Try it next time >.
why do you squadmark when you shoot a missile?
About time for a J35 with flares. 😂
But p2w
@@j100j Yh I guess but not as bad tho.
fico impressionado como os parceiros da gaijin quando vão jogar os inimigos se parecem com bots, não esquivam bem, não usam flare direito, apenas voam reto e morrem.
Hay defyn..I'm using your decal
had a lot of fun with this delta wing beast. j35xs usually get throw in a 9.7/10.0 match rather than a full up tier, and that 6 aim9p just brutal. guns? no one need guns when u got 6 missiles. also the 12 CM will 100% save ur life.
6:19 that guy got rinsed 😂😂
My friend is the one in the p51
Hey Defyn, can you please help me man. Yes you could call this a skill issue but I really need help beating 109G’s and Yak3’s . I’m a decent pilot and have big success rates with all other planes except Russian props. I mainly fly US aircraft, but no matter what I do, I can’t beat Yak 3’s. Any suggestions would be great man.
You can't beat Yak-3s while flying the 109G or vice versa???
@@TeeBaggerhe needs help killing 109s and yaks. I would offer advice but I’m no expert. I hated those things to brother
@@TeeBagger I need help beating them both
Do not turn fight them. It’s hard but you have to boom and zoom them. So stay fast.
Depending what plane you're flying as you didn't tell us what plane you are using.
How do I deal with mig 21s
lost my daily login when i got sick and havent done more than a handful of matches since, because that was at the same time they were testing rank 8/ the new prems in the dev, ive got plenty of premiums in this game and i bought the year of premium time but i dont support 99 bucks CAD to still lose most my games XD
Can you play the La-11? I really need that please
Is there anything you need to know about it or simply wanna watch his (suffering) gameplay?
Cus if u want to know about it,
La11 spaded is worse than a La-9 Stock
And la-9 already is quite mid
Let that sink in.
@@TheLazyKat oh god, but I used it and got 2 kills by boom n zooming
@@tavolo2969 Almost every aircraft is a decent boom and zoom aircraft, even A6M Zeroes can do it decently well. The fact that an aircraft can boom and zoom doesn't make it a great aircraft.
@@martijn9568 good point
the tornado at 10.7 is actually really good. new best plane of the patch for me. since grinding the event was alot easier than grinding to top tier.
In sim whenever I see a j35 it automatically spins out and it’s an easy gun kill. This one guy got into a dogfight with me 3 times and spun each time before we could do any maneuvers.
Why hasn't gaijin added a squad system that prevents up tiering props in ARB? Having 2+ props (especially Tu-4 or BV 238) is one of the most annoying things to see when you're suffering in the 9.7-11.3 bracket.
Because Gaijin doesn't care, they rather promote this kind of stuff
A lot of people made it to thundershow and got 5k GE cus they killed a jet amidst a furball using a prop, there's also the God Mode achievement so yeah Gaijin wouldn't really do anything to solve this problem lol.
@@TheLazyKat I just find it funny how pissed they get when the get TKed or called out for the auto loss.
It got tracers now
This has a IRST bro
i really do enjoy the j29d, but thats purely because its not the best and makes it a rewarding plane to fly for me anyway. and its not so bad that u cant do something against almost any enemy, the only times i feel a little hopeless is a good pilot in a mig15bis when you are alone.
Considering buying this just to get the Swedish tree done, so when the Gripen comes out in a couple years (probably) it'll be less of a dick pain to get. Buuut the $70 prems aren't on sale yet so get bent Gaijin¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The jas 39 might come out this year btw
@@theverminator8048 they confirmed it's coming sometime this year amd its rumored that the version they'll add is the c variant
Nice fan
Based and only content creator posting consistently at all anymore pilled.
Guess that's the new trend. Don't give vehicles their flares, release a premium with them instead
Now that there is a MILLION premium phantoms with radar missiles this plane has a VERY bad time at it's BR. :/
Bad asymmetric gun without enough ammo, (and no tracers) the new flight model means you can't turn while fast really and and of course next to no counter measures while most enemies have enough to negate those 6 missiles you have.
Yak-38 when?
1. A5C has 18 Countermeasures not 12
2. I had J35XS couple of times on my ass in my F104S and he could keep up with me easily even in full turns (F104 Turn) and not loosing more energy than me. Just spamed all his Aim9Js at me until finally the last hit because i had other enemies around as well and couldnt focus 100% on him xD
It actually has good energy retention its just that it can pull harder than most other jet and forcibly dump all its speed and energy. ^^
Yeah it does have surprisingly good energy retention just gotta learn how to play the drakens and the j35xs should be able to hold up in uptiers even
Why would it lose energy in such a gentle turn? You forget the 104 turns like a bus
Ofc it doesnt lose energy. Idiots who play delta always turn hard when you can just turn gently
its like they re making fun of the regular planes, I really really loved the j35d but without flares its unplayable in dont even mind non tracer ammo. J35d needs an upgrade maybe in armament department give it 9Ls for compensating for lack of flares
Only some nation has a premium vehicle that is better than TT and it's vice versa with other vehicles. A10 is the example of the latter.
its not too bad in this matchmaker but flares have definitely gotten to the point if it being a requirement
@@NCSiebertdesign they should not be better thats why title of this video is PAY2WIN this usually happens when company is either greedy or they are not making KPI goals :))
I would say that core of the players are those that never spent money in this game if you watch rough numbers once those players start leaving the game starts to die. sry for bad english hope you get my point
@@mit4c There are loads of premium planes that's either on par or slightly worse than techtree, one example is P-61 black widow. Very few are "paytowin" like the xp-50 and su-11. Gaijin doesn't really care about their customers, do they? Very typical Russian mindset I tell you.
Already have spent alot of money in this game. But my own finnish J35 and its has IRST????? (i fucking love IRST)
I quit the game a while ago and it feels like every time I watch a Defyn video I remember why.. they really just do not care
You do know when your radar locked
Play the Bv-238
playing the draken you want to be careful to not full stamp the elevator below 350kmph especially going vertical
if you do start to flat spin the best way to save yourself is to go into full controls immediately and try and correct yourself via that way however that will only work if the flat spin just begun if the spin has been going on for a good amount of time then its completly impossible to correct
use irst
Finally
Someone who agrees with me
Wait, how does flying low make you less vulnerable to the radar of the F-14. Doesn't it have a pulse-doppler radar specifically to see air targets flying close to the ground?
It just makes you more likely to evade aim7 because aim7 likes to go to the front of the jet. So when you stay low, aim7 ends up hitting the ground infront of you when you "dive" to the ground. You also easliy notch radar when you position 90* because f14 normal search radar also cant lock you for that long either especially using chaff after 90* positions.
My f14 radar looses lock at low altitudes, more so if coming down on top of someone at which point you just use IR missiles. Just means you can head on an f14 at low alts due to no all aspect
wow its a plain and a choper
A gun more smh my head