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- Competition among electric vehicle producers was supposed to push prices down and make 2023 the year of the EV. But that hasn't been the case. Prices are still high and the subsidy picture unclear: While France is still offering government-backed subsidies for buying an EV, its neighbor Germany decided to scrap theirs amid end-of-year budget chaos. Meanwhile, Chinese brands remain much cheaper than their European counterparts, thanks to fierce competition in the country and cheaper production. But even as consumer-side pressures mount, a battery manufacturing concentration is also impacting production.
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Cost, no home charging for renters & not enough stations... and COST.
Who exactly claimed 2023 would be the breakthrough year?
Agree. First i've heard it being said.
They did when fast charging was introduced
No one. It’s a subtle attempt to imply that EV adoption is behind some sort of measure and is moving slowly, when in truth it’s moving faster than anticipated.
@@devonbikefilms just a bit. There is no understanding of exponential growth either.
@devonbikefilms If electricity production is not upgraded there is no way EV is the futures Currently is the issue some cars consume as much as a full house.If everyone is on EV price of electricity will surge.
Isnt Tesla model Y, which are EV is the best selling car in the worl in 2023?
Dont pay subsidies for cars. Pay subsidies for public transport. Thats actually a state business, and environmentally friendly. EVs are not environmentally friendly only marginally better in some circumstances than an internal combusion engine car is.
We already have subsidies for public transportation, next year people under 25 don´t pay buses passes, 65+ already have free bus rides with a ´special´card ect
Nobody can figure out why sales numbers of luxury vehicles with electric motors are not growing…
Especially with the high interest rates and inflation reducing disposable income while increasing peoples credit burden for everyday items. No one is really spending money on high priced items these days, especially something like a BEV that is seen as frivolous unnecessary luxury by 90% of the population who believe in FUD instead of facts.
Are not growing. really? tesla is growining very fast
@@user-kr1ch9es1p do look up at Tesla inventory numbers and post a credible explanation for the numbers
@@user-kr1ch9es1p Tesla have big problems looming - they're slashing prices to stimulate demand. Around 75% of Tesla 'sales' are company cars, which isn't great.
@@tonyb3629 where did you find the numbers you are referencing?
The main thing is it takes 45 minutes to charge. Who wants to wait that long at a petro station? And that's assuming there is no one ahead of you charging their car. It's just not practical for anyone who doesn't live in a house.
when the battery goes, who wants to pay $ 20 k for a new battery? the cons of owning n driving an EV outweigh the pros by a landslide.
@@driver4011 I think that problem is due to stealerships wanting to make a lot of aftersales profit. But the manufacturers should also take a fair share of the blame for letting the dealership to rip off consumers.
So you can spend $6.50 on coffee
ya, EV needs a new battery, might as well, junk/ chunk it, n get a new
and/or almost new ICE car. $ 20 K much better spent, that way.
>It's just not practical for anyone who doesn't live in a house.
This is the most important sentence in your comment. Biggest obstacle to EV adoption is not charge time or even availability of charging infrastructure but it's homeownership.
Here in Australia we now have a couple of good quality Chinese models costing less than 25K euros like the MG4 and BYD Dolphin. The case to go electric is now quite compelling.
Don't get burnt in Chinese EVs.
@@tnamr5652 Why not? There's every indiction that BYD cars, for example, are good quality.
@@budawang77No they're not, they are spontaneously composting all over China. 😅😂
OH! they make great fire starters!
@@deet4895 You know that for.a fact? Or are you just listening to the media's FUD? I have seen the same videos you likely saw, but I don't trust them a second!
I would however trust Chris Chandler, director at Lex Autolease in the UK (OK, I agree, it's not China, but there is also the same FUD in Europe and N.A.!). He recently said that from the165'000 EVs in their fleet of leased cars. - a sizable sample, I am sure you will agree - NONE, ZERO has ever caught fire!
I’ve owned 2 EV’s for quite a while and love them! I do look forward to solid-state batteries with longer range, faster charge and decreased capacity loss over the life of the battery, which will happen.
Wait 20 years Battery revolution is very slow.
Doesn't mean they will be dirt-cheap
How much will your current car be worth when the new batteries come out? They will essentially be worthless.
How are those batteries disposed of? Are they environmentally friendly?
@@latrinemarine826 Batteries are recyclable, whereas oil is simply consumed. EVs last a long time. For example, there are 1st Gen BYD E6 taxis have covered 700,000 km on their first battery, only about 20% degradation, and still going strong due to broad EV charging infrastructure. That's something like 3x what a typical gas or diesel car gets.
They didn’t include the dealer markups that also pushes people away
I‘m pretty sure that’s a US thing and was not common in Europe.
Cars manufacturers that failed to update with times & trends might end up like Kodak and Nokia.
"like who?"
exactly!😄
VW@@mho...
Electric vehicles in 2023 have the same problem that electric vehicles had back in early 1900s. 45% of US automobiles in 1900-1913 were electric.
@@everypitchcounts4875
Using the ends to justify the means is like going against the waves. Most countries are going for Green Technologies.
They are mainstream in Norway. By 2025 all new cars bought will be Electric.
yeah well, scandinavia has *TINY* populations, easy to work with change there!
Norway is one of the richest countries in the world ... on the strength of their oil reserves. Not a model that easily exports.
@@mho... Not scandinavia, Norway exclusively, but that's only because they found oil and made money trading it.
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 🙄 as german, everything thats north of us, is scandinavia^^
@@mho... Norway is nearly 100% hydro, so they can afford it. But US is 20% and Australia 50% coal in their electricity mix. More EVs means they need to burn more coal.
I agree that battery production is the bottle neck for mass production. In my opinion BEV adoption by consumers is better than anticipated which brings makers to a situation where they hardly can cover demand. The supply chain is running hot and is limiting the maximum allowable output.
I have one question: How do you define mainstream? In Norway there's no question about it but what about globally? I mean Diesel and Gas cars were mainstream for decades but none of these 2 basic types of ICE based cars were ever sold with a much over 50 to 60% share in the new cars market, maybe with a few exceptions. Will you agree that "arriving in mainstream" will be achieved no later than the time more BEV's are sold than Gas cars? It is already sold in higher numbers than Diesel cars but that's just due to the sharp decline in Diesel due to the scandal. Once 1/3 will be BEV's that is probably achieved with ICE dropping below 1/3 and the balance being hybrids.
实际是，今年锂矿和电池价格都下降了。电车推进迟缓得原因只有一个，欧洲的效率低下，环保只是停留在说而已。以及中国取得了技术上的优势，欧美并不希望中国车企占领市场。
When EVs are the common mode of transport in 3rd world (developing) countries that is when you can call them *mainstream*
@@onsokumaru4663 I disagree on that one. I don't see any foundation for that as a criteria.
I started driving an EV 4 years ago (a 2nd hand Tesla)... very happy with how it drives, charging times (I have already done several 600km 1-day trips without any issue), very low cost to charge, etc.
I live in a good country fir charging infrastructure (The Netherlands), so I think it's just a matter of time (2-3 more years) for charging stations to become more abundant in less urban areas.
It either you have a house to charge or you go shopping every time you charge .....of course gas is only pump and go
Your country is just very, very, very small. EV might work in Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, etc, but never will work in US, Canada or Australia. Here people like roadtrips and like the freedom, don't want to wait at least 30 minutes to recharge.
@@Diego-tm3djThe VAST majority of cars where I work (Not Electric cars, but CARS) are Tesla. I live in the US. Charging stations are all over!
@@supadupahilton684890% of cars in US are gasoline or diesel.
@@Diego-tm3dj 89.7% of all facts are made up on the spot.
In the Netherlands for example, I would rather let the EV subsidy go towards making public transport cheaper and getting less people to use cars overall instead of promoting more car usage. For me and my wife together, public transport is more expensive than to drive. It should be the other way around.
If you have horse and carriage what do you do in the winter when grass yellows and dies ? I am sticking to my model T
1:20 This is not like for like - the retail price in Europe includes a large amount of taxes such as import duties, VAT, sales tax etc., the Chinese price excludes all taxes, there are also a large number of very cheap EVs sold in China that do not meet European design and safety standards.
Taxes and regulation make up the majority of the difference in the cost of cars - there would be exactly the same difference in the cost of Petrol and Diesel cars between Europe and China.
import duties, mean Chinese models should cost more not less than European models.... And what safety standards, Taxes or regulation do Chinese models not have to meet that are imported into Europe?
I've heard this protectionist populist BS my whole life....
Yeah, I have to agree.
A VW id3 costs 16k in China. 43k euros in my country.
Something doesn't add up. Not even close.@@nc3826
@@nc3826 I guess the ones that get imported have to meet them ALL. I think the point you are missing is the fact that cars that are NOT imported to Europe to some extent do not have to meet these requirements with this gap being the most important (if not the only) reason they are NOT imported. The effect it has to the imported and the locally manufactured is the lack of competition. !!!
In 2023, Euro NCAP tested 9 Chinese vehicles. ALL 9 Chinese vehicles scored maximum 5 stars, and the Nio scored the highest of ALL vehicles tested in 2023. Chinese vehicles sold in Europe clearly meet and exceed all relevant European design and safety standards.
The Citroen Ami currently sold in Europe does not meet European design and safety standards for automobiles. The Ami has not been tested by Euro NCAP, but would likely score ZERO stars (no airbags, light structure). The Ami is a "quadricycle" comparable to the low end Chinese NEVs. I would LOVE to see the Ami crash tested by Euro NCAP, because people do use it like a car.
@@nc3826 It's not BS. Safety is paramount and cheap chinese trinkets won't match the requirements.
Charging stations not wide spread enough, cost is too high for average consumer, renters can't have charging station at home... Older units need a battery which is often more expensive than replacing an entire engine and transmission in a gas car... I could go on.
Hybrids are the best balance still imo.
Evs, the biggest scam in modern history
You are showing an Indian EV as a clickbait picture and not a word on Indian EVs
Vendors want to sell more cars the invest in the battery plants to bring the cost down. Customers want to see the cost down then buy an EV. 😂
EV:s world wide grew from about 14% of new cars to 18% of new cars. I takes time to transform the entire industry chain.
In Norway it's like 80% of new cars.
It's only that high in Norway because of the massive subsidies on EV's. Like most countries, once those subsidies stop, EV sales stop. Germany's government are stopping all EV subsidies, and the car companies there are so fearful it will kill sales of EV's, they're picking up the subsidy costs themselves!
@@tonyb3629 Norway doesn’t subsidize EVs, they just slap 100% import duty on ICE cars. This way a 30K VW costs the same as Tesla.
Norway total registered cars is 80% ICE.
Battery and plug-in share of the total fleet in Norway is 30%. Cars can be on the road for 20 years or more so it takes some time to replace the entire fleet.
In Sweden and Iceland EV:s are more than 50% of new cars, Denmark and Finland are not far behind.
@@Gregory-Masovutch And shrinking.
We have evs now started production cars in india like Tata nexon and Mahindra Xuv400 which gives 300km real world range on road with 8 year/160000km warrenty for motor and battery.. And thire incoming models will shock the world..
Some warranty or insurance does not cover the battery.
pff cost!
& not everyone has a garage+charging station, living in apartments!
atleast the german state is finally cutting the financial support for e-vehicle buyers, i bet that will help ppl buy more of them, for higher prices!, makes totally sense! 🤦♂
EVs will be a niche only.
Very few people have a garages to plug car in overnight.
Said horse riders as a gas car was in the news, wondering who would want to ride around with an explosive liquid and a furnace up front 😅
ya, for apt. dwellers, forget it. bunches of charging EVs would trip the breakers, n people would trip over the charging cables.
@@kwalelalipimile3894Not comparable. ICEs are more reliable. If you buy a car, reliability is the number 1 concern.
@@aceyage I would have thought cost is always the determining factor. Probably why they used donkeys too in the horse times.
@@aceyage plus the hidden costs, maintenance and emissions taxes are unsuitable for ice cars going forward.
Still little charging for condos and apartments.
In Germany, my fuel consumption cost per 100 km is about 10 Euro. If I would drive an EV, that would be about 8 Euro. After 100.000 km, it makes 2.000 Euro difference in favour of EV. But the thing is that the equivalent EVs do cost almost 10.000 Euro more :(
Yeah, and then you have to wait 20m to charge. That is about 60h of your life that you spend for it for 100K Km :)
Not if you charge at home… you actually save time by not going to gas stations ;)
@@victorfrombcn indeed, I just need a home first :)
When the switch is finalized electricity prices will surge😢
@@tnamr5652 Nope. Thanks the fact more and more people who live in small houses where they can collect a decent portion of their demand on their own by use of PV, the prices will not be able to surge when otherwise the suppliers will lose 1000's of customers as they will drag them into the corner and make them adding home storage to their installation so they won't buy power anymore at all.
I think economics will win in the end. My ongoing running costs are very low with my Telsa Model 3. Charging stations are not an issue for me since 90%+ of my driving is less then 200km a day. It's the upfront costs that need to come down. I also live in a city that reaches -20C in winter. I'm old enough to remember when having a PC in the home was the luxury of the few. Things will get cheaper over time...
EVs are heavy and wear tires quickly. The added weight is hard on our roads and is a safety concern if they run into a ICE vehicle weighing half the amount. And EVs don't pay gas taxes to pay for the roads. Most mechanics don't know how to repair them and repair costs are very high...esp the battery.
@@MonteVanNortwick bullcrap, they are only 20% heavier than similar performing car, not double
pcs are becoming a luxury actually...decent gpus starting at 1000usd...
@@ZETA14.88 3800 lbs vs 7600 lbs. Look at the specs.
I just looked at Model X weight and you are right. Not double. But others are heavy thus this article by AXios...Vehicles are adding poundage as the auto industry goes electric - and that's problematic for traffic safety, parking garages and roads. EVs are much heavier than gas vehicles, and that's posing safety problems
Speaking as an American, there isn't enough support for EV. You have a lot of younger people (under 35) that still live in rentals. They lack the hook ups for EV.
Most places, outside of large cities, don't have charging stations and whatnot.
Also, there is a great distance between charging stations.
I mean, Texas shuts down with an inch of snow and freezing temps, let alone do they have what it takes to maintain EV.
The main thing is it takes 45 minutes to charge. Who wants to wait that long at a petro station? And that's assuming there is no one ahead of you charging their car. It's just not practical for anyone who doesn't live in a house.
The average driver in the U.S. drives 37 miles per day, according to Department of Transportation statistics. The average EV has a range of 224 miles. This means charging once a week. Some higher priced EV models have twice the average range.
Some recharging times for EVs in 2023:
1 Lucid Air - 350 kW, 15 minutes. ...
2 Kia EV6/ Hyundai Ioniq 5 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
3 Hyundai Ioniq 6 - 350 kW, 18 minutes. ...
4 Genesis Electrified GV70, Genesis GV60 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
5 Audi E-Tron GT - 270kW, 21 minutes. ...
6 Genesis Electrified G80 - 350kW, 22 minutes.
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Let's not forget Americans have more kilograms.....
And in California power goes out on a regular basis
@@kaseyc5078
Yes. That creates a real issue for gasoline vehicles that need power to pump gas into their tanks. Solar panels that many EV owners use just keep on working.
Not one word about interest rates....
I was thinking the same thing and they also didn’t include the dealer mark ups that push even more people away
Here in USA:
1. All EVs are expensive with the exception of Chevrolet Bolt Ev and EUV and Tesla Model 3. These ones qualify for a tax incentive that gives $7500 when bought new by US residents.
2. Charging infrastructure are almost solid in most cities, but the energy infrastructure is not ready for an expansion of EV recharge stations. It will take decades and a unified logic in what source of energy is sustainable and realistic.
Not everyone qualifies for tax credits and it depends on your tax liability. Only high income earners without excessive deductions qualify and again depending on the part composition of the EV
What drives me crazy is the $7500 rebate in 2024 are only going to really expensive cars. It’s not helping the average american
Maybe they’d sell more if there’s more charging stations that weren’t broken
Two big events in 2023. US EV sales breaks 1 million and Tesla Model Y the best selling car in the world of any kind including gas powered cars.
They still cost too much. You're paying premium prices for limited range. There are still grid concerns. There's not been a wider adoption of power walls or solar roof tops because even with subsidies, these industries are also still charging premiums. Charging networks are still not as fully developed as gas stations. So, to sum it all up, it still doesn't make a lot of economic sense to a lot of people. Furthermore, this is also a free trade problem. With tariffs still persistent buying cheaper Chinese panels is not an option for many Americans. However, the tides are turning. With the advent of new EMR machines by ASML & chip manufacturing quadrupling in the United States. Plus, new solar panel factories in India specifically targeting US markets. Plus, demographic changes. All US automakers making pledges to go electric. Plus, a whole bunch of new lithium sources being developed globally. Plus, AI. Plus, advances in robotics. Plus, the building of new natural gas pipelines. Plus, new battery plants coming online literally this year. We're converging to a period where the economics of going green are going to be so compelling that everyone will make the switch because you'll go broke just trying to maintain outdated systems.
You are also paying too much for ICE cars because of the EV transition. Those $60,000 pickups are funding all the billions in development costs for EVs.
What is emr machine by asml?
Solar roof should be much more supported. Home solar replaces utility capital expense, which utilities should be cheering. Nobody is installing utility scale solar on their rooftops, so any outbound power flow is very small, and essentially provides power transfer within the neighborhood, from one house to the house next door. Homeowners should be guaranteed the same minimum return on capital that utilities receive.
we are still 2 years away from commodified, cheap batteries in the US.
What 'grid concerns' are you talking about? You need to Google 'Six Myths Busted About EVs'. It takes you to the people who run the grid, see what they say about EVs. Charging networks here in France and many other EU countries are now at the point where a long trip in an EV is no problem whatsoever.
If sodium (Na) based bateries would come to life, that mean cheaper, progress would be bigger.
sodium is low energy dense and too heavy making it unsuitable for EVs.
30% higher price than IC for less capability. Duh.
More capability!
Did he say Chinese private battery companies?
Part of good journalism is knowing the right questions to ask. Most of the cars at work are Teslas, but very few other brands. So, are EV's in demand or not??
The issue obviously has less to do with the drive train method, and MORE to do with reliability. Tesla's are reliable so people buy them. The other brands are (I believe the term is "total scheiß") so people avoid them. ..so much for the rock solid German (and American) engineering of the 60's and 70's.
The reason Toyota (non-electric) sells then, is the same reason Tesla sells. plain and simple - RELIABILITY!!
2023? who tf set that goal? lmao. 2027-2028 is about time when ev's are gonna be the market leader. plenty of time
i going to buy car in thumbnail... because tata nexon is best product.. for ev and it also affordable
Way too expensive for a battery on wheels and unreliability of loading
Thats a Tata Nexon Ev in the thumbnail
Thanks ❤ What The Recycle Percentage ♻️ Cost And Material Recovery Percentage 🤔
They take too long to fill up , and there’s not enough filling stations. Simple. Lower costs would help sell them.
Elon is worried about the possibility that another price cut is a possibility 😅😂
80% of sales for 2023 are Trucks & SUV, EVs only make up only 6% of sales in 2023
Need to make a cheap one.
DW just ignoring that all vehicle sales dropped. Electric vehicles sales still increases YoY. Just less than previous years. But perspective is not a DW thing.
Lobby, Lobby, and Lobby + FDP in Germany (which is actually more Lobby than party).
"In Europe it's a different picture" (Race to the bottom in China)
Yeah looks like we're expected to pick up the tab. Not only have ICE prices been extortionate for a while now, but electric? Please.
VW id3 costs 16k in China. Base model in my country? A cool 43k euros. Thanx but no thanx.
While battery improvements are happening, it's still not the best time for most people to buy an electric car. If you can afford to buy top shelf change cars and change every, chase the latest technology, then go for it. Electric car technology is advancing rapidly, similar to the early years of the iPhone, where each new model made the previous one seem outdated. However, for most people an iPhone 12 or 15 makes no difference. electric cars are competitive since the launch of the Tesla model s in 2013. but that is a 100 000 dollar plus car, made to compete with the bmw 7, and Merceds s class. or Audi a8
However, for the average buyer in the $35-$40,000 price range, electric cars are starting to become attractive. Waiting just 3 years could yield much better options. Looking further into the future, autonomous vehicles could make buying a car irrelevant. Ride-hailing services with self-driving cars that don't have driver or fuel costs could be very competitive. This could free up a significant amount of urban space currently used for parking, and with autonomous vehicles operating much more than privately owned cars (estimated at 90% vs. 10%), commute times could potentially decrease significantly. that would be a revolution for people living in large cities, the average comute time in São Paulo, Brazil is 4h30 minutos.
meanwhile the car in thumbnail is an Indian EV costs only Euro 14000
COST COST COST!
Battery production is not great but the biggest issue is infrastructure to charge. I have a garage and solar panels so charging at home is an option. But at work there are not enough charging stations and how about people living in apartments? They have no option to charge at home.
Ev's are not the answer at this time Non Plugin Hybrids are what is needed in the interim. With a few exceptions such as inter city corporate and government, deliveries, garbage and recycling ete etc. Going EV at this time is not the answer - think of where the electricity is generated.
Exactly. EVs are still very much a product for the home-owning middle class. If you don't own a home then forget about EVs.
and I live in a condo and the association does not allow it either
@altan4726
In Germany most of the electric/energy for these cars comes from coal generated electricity Hardly green. Because these carbon fuels are not produced in Germany doesn’t excuse the use of it
Reporting is not investigative
1:38 What's "unfair production practice"? 🤔
The very foundation onto which Chinese success is based on?
The funniest thing is that they need to put more and more taxes on gas and driving ice cars and electric cars are still a waste of money.
I'm never going electric... no matter how hard they try I will continue to use my internal combustion vehicle
From your cold, dead hands, huh? Human extinction be dammed, right?
Never say never. The ice vehicle will go the way of the horse and carriage eventually.
Make EVs cheap to buy and cheap to repair. They would be naturally cheaper to repair, had the automakers stop using proprietary parts that can't be bought from any competitors, or even from them directly. This is a problem of newer cars, not specifically EVs.
That's what China has at the bottom of their market. Chinese NEVs are under $10k USD and use inexpensive off-the-shelf components that can easily be replaced or repaired. The cheapest ones rent the battery to get the cost down further. Really nice upgrade from the motor scooter or e-bikes that they might have been using before.
That's never going to happen. All car manufacturers are making their wearing parts out of cheapest materials so that people have to change them frequently to keep the cash flow going.
U sound really jealous
@@zacksmith5644 what do you mean?
Most people buy second hand cars. There is not a comparable mature second hand market yet for EV's. Also most people don't like change or taking a risk on an expensive purchase.
Government subsidies are still key to driving wider adoption, and those are scaling back when they should be ramping up.
So you're saying that EV's need subsidies to sell and those need to be increased? If EV's can't stand on their own against ICE without government intervention, then EV's have a big problem (actually many big problems, buy who's counting?)
I would not buy a secondhand ev with a battery at half its charge capacity for the life of me
Chinese brands are notorious for exploding batteries. I'm shocked Europe allows them.
Blatant lie. Tesla uses Chinese batteries for a reason. Unless you know more than them about battery tech.
Lol… a ten minute news broadcast about EVs and not one mention of Tesla…. Ok DW.
Electric vehicles: Can 'lightweighting' combat range anxiety?
Go with hybrid cars much better no headache compare to EV cars I already owned toyota hybrid I'm very happy with it save me a lot money on gas
Yeah. That sounds like a great balance before EV can be fully convenient
Autogas+Plug Hybrid = best option!
Except they are the ones responsible for most of the headlines about ev burning😅
Ignorance and a lack of supporting infrastructure (reinforced by ignorance at a policy creation level)
It's the buying cost. I am waiting for that very simple and cheap utilitarian car. I don't need a selfdriving dragster that massages my bam😊
As prices continue coming down and charging infrastructure improves, people will eventually ditch the "pay phone" of cars ICE. Even I'm rural areas, if you have power to your home you can charge... how many people have gas stations at home?
Lets hope they will never go mainsteam
0:01 2023? Why? Maybe 2026 when the battery factories will be in production.
We've seen this before during industrialisation, and now China has a very firm grip on battery making that it has such a great position for market dominance that a competing country should not go versus them, but find a way to support an even greater product... such as the major vehicle manufacturers from Germany finding a strategic partner in China to share resources and knowledge with, to bring that brand up rather than both going into tough economic times.
Can you the a “software update” making all these vehicles fail? I can. This is the Communist Chinese government we are talking about
Answer is NIO
It was the breakthrough year for EVs in China and Europe... that's half of the World's market. Tesla was also the fastest growing automaker in the US, and produced the world's best sold vehicle -- an Electric vehicle which is at price parity with comparable combustion vehicles throughout the world. Do your homework guys.
Own it 10 yrs it work out like buying a gas car and paying 17 dollars a gal
It is expensive, only can drive in City and no people know how to fix it if break down.
govt picking winners and losers. takes too long to go cross country. People might buy EVs cause they are green but if plugged into our grid, they are not green. Too expensive.
I cant fix gas fireplaces in a tesla
As long as fuel remains inexpensive there would be no incentive - price of fuel is less vulnerable than electricity prices in Germany. Road tax should be increased instead of doing a subsidy, if people don’t want to buy an EV then they should pay for the transformation. The Euro 7 has not yet been implemented and big car companies continue to sell bigger SUVs. The EVs being sold at the moment incentivize only business because they can be write down fully. But since companies are currently less profitable they will continue buying diesel vehicles
Electric cars will always be a niche market
Tata Nexon ev has been in thumbnail
You'd have to be mad to trust your family's safety to a Chinese EV!
They have the best built evs in the industry. Just check and find out the number of Chinese evs that achieved 5 star safety rating from Euro NCAP. They are safer than some European brands. Even Tesla used Chinese batteries from Catl and BYD.
@@kamsunleong6648 Hahaha
jealous?
@@mingkobe1149 Of small manhoods? Not really.
Hyundai ioniq 5 battery costs $45k.
Not if you buy it from hyundai. It's $10k.
Check out the Electric Viking. He's got some good stats on this.
He's just a tesla fanboy.
There are not enough charging stations in the US.
Wrong question. You should be asking, why are they not yet mainstream. I never want to drive an ICE car again.
As an American, I can say an EV would have to meet ALL my requirements before I will even begin to consider buying. I live in a rural Midwest state. I also live in an apartment, so there is no "charging it at home" option. My requirements are as follows, must seat 8 people, must have the storage space of my current gas-powered van, must have a range of over 500 miles on a single charge, must fully charge in 10 minutes or less (the same amount of time it takes to fill my current gas tank), must cost $5000 or less, and must not lose much charge in the cold winter months. It can get to -50 Fahrenheit, and I still need to get to work or take the kids to school. The infrastructure for EV is just not up to my standards. Btw, I have never paid more than $5000 for any vehicle I have ever owned. I refuse to take out a loan to buy a vehicle.
You are 100% right about... not taking up any loan to buy a vehicle! I never did, always paid cash! In my country, 80% of the people never do; they save first and then only buy. It helps sleeping better... MUCH better when the interest rates are rising!
For the rest, I am afraid you'll have to wait 4-5 years until the vehicle you want is manufactured, and a few more years until you can buy it for $5'000!
Because Germany has the ICE car industry 。
In China EVs are almost the mainstream.
batteries must become 10x better/quicer to charge, THEN meaby.
targeting high-price mostly, politics sleeping on many good solutions for infrastructure, energy-providers inconsistent with and raising the prices on chargers so you barely can beat low-consumption fuel cars... some reasons in Germany
unless 10min to get half charge, otherwise gasoline all the way
EV's aren't for everyone, and dependant on where you live and electricity cost are a couple of very important variables (among others) that a buyer should consider before making their purchase. For me, the retail cost of electricity at a fast charger is 60c/kWh - twice the residential cost per same unit and designed to compete with cost of fossil fuel at $1.80 per litre when you need 3 kWh to propel the car the same distance as 1 litre of fuel - the cost is very, very similar; so something needs to change with the break-even point in order to attract customers to EV's.
In my area, Chargepoint bills $0.45+tx per kWh vs $1.62 for gas. Once you include range loss on EVs due to battery conditioning and cabin heating in winter, EV is more expensive. To make matters worse, most EV chargers along my most common trip are only 50kW and 125A max, which means 1h-long charging stops to put 40-45kW back into the battery no matter what non-Tesla EV you have. Tesla superchargers are ~50km in-between, which isn't great when driving conditions change drastically (ex.: dry to torrential rain) and you lose 30+% of your range estimation because of it. When I borrowed my mother's Bolt EV, I almost got stranded by the pessimistic estimate sill being 30km too optimistic: started the return trip with 135km minimum range estimate, got to my intended charger 105km out with no range remaining, ~15min after the car quit giving range estimates. I don't have a data plan on my phone, so getting off the highway one exit early to find an alternate charger that may or may not exist wasn't an option.
There needs to be 150+kW chargers near every highway exit, especially rural ones, and EVs need to be able to take 100+kW at least up to 75% SoC before I consider EVs viable beyond local commute. Otherwise, charging is frustratingly slow and the risk of getting stranded is too high for my liking. With ICEV/(P)HEV, you at least know that there will be a gas station next to just about any exit and that you can fill up to 100% in 2-3 minutes at just about any one of them.
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I'm surprised that during your whole issue discussed above that your reasoning was "there needs to be more chargers, spaced more evenly along the highway" rather than "I drive too many miles to use EV, fossil fuel works better for my usage scenario".
@@joebloggs6131 If I was confident that every highway exit had clearly indicated and working 50+kW charger, I would have taken an earlier exit instead of betting on still getting to my intended charger, just like I would have taken any random exit to find a nearby gas station when low on gas with my 2011 Focus... or just filled up before getting on the highway since it takes only 3min to "charge" 0-95% with gasoline, unlike the Bolt that drops to a pathetically low 20kW by 70%, a particularly sore point in my test-drive. Had the bolt been able to hold 45kW charging to 75%, I wouldn't have had that close call.
Notice that every flashlight manufacturer does not use custom battery packs? If electric vehicle manufacturers used standard battery packs that could easily be swapped out at power stations the charging time would not be a factor.
Notice, every vehicle has a different shape, so capacity is lost by standardizing the shape of the battery pack.
There are always trade-offs between standardization and customization.
Notice there is a very quickly growing number of BEV's in the offering that show charging performance that wash away the wish to swap batteries.
'Charging performance' will always suck versus battery swapping..... Not to mention the plethora of other advantages that battery swapping brings, not just to the user but also to the grid....
China has proved the viability of battery swapping in numerous manners and its numerous advantages.... While the west just keeps falling further and further behind....
@@nc3826 If battery swapping won't suck more than charging, it would be soaring through the market as solutions for that are already there. The customers decide.
The current practice is to use a structural battery pack that increases vehicle rigidity and strength, reduces weight, and lowers center of mass for better handling and lower profile. These packs are made from dense-packed modular elements, with fast charging chemistries. The BYD blade battery pack won't thermal runaway even when punctured by a nail, charges fast, and has good capacity rated for 300+, 400+ km range. BYD's 1st gen E6 taxis have racked up 717,000 km on the original pack for only 20% battery degradation, which is more than 3x what a typical consumer will drive.
The range even with the largest available batteries is mediocre at best. And they cost at least 2x the price of an equivalent ICE car. I can buy for 25k€ a diesel ICE car that can do 900km. Meanwhile a Tesla Model 3 LR can barely do 400km and costs 50k€.
In my country there are very very few chargers along the main highways, most of them being only 50kW ones. In the cities you can some 7kw AC ones. But the cost of electricity in those public chargers is close to 1€/kWh. That makes an EV as expensive to run as a gasoline ICE car. A diesel/LPG/CNG is cheaper. The only way an EV is cheaper to run is if you charge at home. But most people live in apartment buildings without exclusive parking and park in the street (im in the same category).
In short, its too expensive to buy, too difficult to charge if you dont have a personal parking space with a way to put a charger, to expensive to run if you rely on public chargers and too low range to depend on it.
Also consider that it's extremely hard to register an ICE car in major Chinese cities and the cost of fuel so EV is popular due to the benefits on offer of no road tax, registration, cheaper fuel costs and in general a lower km travelled per year compared to EU or US.
Sinopec has already projected China to reached Peak Oil within the next several months, due to mass EV adoption.
Because China wants to be fuel independent from the crazies like Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Tesla model Y will be the most sold carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023 🎉😊
they are so expensive
A lot of place dont have chrging stations. EV is just not practical
All Walmarts will have 30+ charging spots in 5 years. An hour long grocery trip will give most EVs 50% charge.
This is faster than gas stations to any daily driver who shops once a week.
@jakeroper1096 not here in new zealand, simply waste of money if you go out the city
@@heli398Yeah, I must of imagined driving Wellington to Auckland return last week in my ev. You talking BS.
@theunknownunknowns5168 maybe if you stay on the main highway. What about greymouth to queenstown on west coast. Can you drive that on EV?
@@heli398 Sure you don't even need to charge in between? what's the issue? 250km even up and down the spine is a doddle in a Tesla.
But if you really want to - there are chargers ay Otira, Arthur's Pass, Springfield and Darfield (with a small detour) along the way, all in all between Greymouth and Christchurch and surrounds there are 60 charging options.
Not that I would do it myself but there are around 6-7 cars per day crossing the Nullabor in each direction - that's over 4,000 trips across one of the most desolate places on the planet so where there's a will there's a way.
You want cheaper cars? It's a culture problem. The west thinks it should get 5,000lb super car EVs for cheap while the China market is happy enough with the BYD Dolphin. Show me a Dolphin type EV readily available for sale in the USA and I'd buy it in a heartbeat. We can't seem to get out of our own way I'm afraid.
One can buy a top of the line EV in India (Tata Nexon) for 20k USD, pre subsidy.
There's no reason why your EVs should cost 60k+, unless you're building luxury cars. I'm which case it's not just EVs.
The math doesn't check out
Why would it be? Its expensive and no chargers when you are taking a trip. Utterly useless tbh