Big Clive got one of those irons and the wire fell out as he was holding it in his hands. Maybe the next big Chinese special will be some combination of the soldering iron and the wet baby detector!
Dave, I work in the semiconductor ind. Those temperature sensing wafers are used in areas of the process that involve heating up the wafers. This is seen a lot in the lithography steps where the wafers are baked and cooled. Fluctuations in the temp across oven plates causes problems further down the line when the wafers get exposed. These sense wafers are typically used to calibrate the oven plates used to heat the wafers, this ensures that all of the wafer gets heated to the same temperature. Great show by the way :)
Dave, The shock pen was mine, lol. Thanks for the teardown! I wish I could afford to send something more interesting. Still the greatest feeling in the world to have my stuff on your vblog. Been following weekly for years.
"Houy, welcome to everyone's favorite segment mailbag!" Who else at home says the intro every time along with Dave? I can't be the only one... Edit: Dave, when you start pronouncing Peltier correctly, maybe I'll change my pronunciation of geocaching. :P
I bought some LED lightbulbs off of China once. They emitted so much interference that it produced a +30 dB noise level on my HF radio. I eventually took one apart and found one of the most scary SMPS circuits ever.
I used to work at Digital Equipment years ago. The LSI 11-23, was known internally as the "Fonz-11" project, and they had the "two thumbs up" icon from "the Fonz" on the TV show "Happy Days" right there on the Silicon! They also had a support chip known as the "MIC" chip (stood for "multiple level interrupt controller"), and it had 'Mickey Mouse' in the corner of the chip (good thing Disney never found out about that one!). Then there was the 11-73 micro processor chip. It was internally called the "Jaws-11", and had a logo of the 'Great White Shark' from the movie on the chip. I got to look at all of these under a microscope, so I saw the artwork.
The temperature sensing wafer (called on-wafer) is used to measure the different temperature zones in a Dry Etch plasma tool of the Electrostatic Chuck (ESC). For zonal temperature tuning. This is used to control the etch rates on across the inner to outer zones. Critical when you are trying to control etch rates within +-10 Angstroms across the surface of a 300 mm wafer. A couple of tenths of a degree makes all the difference.
Those are single photon avalanche photo diode detectors. My MSc. thesis was based around designing these at the device layout level, and characterizing various designs for integration on the same die with other CMOS circuits for medical applications (and I did it in Canada too, even the silicon wafers were made in Canada!!!). It was quite the happy day when I finally actually saw some of those magical pulses coming out of APDs that I had actually designed! The afterpulsing is generally caused by the detector itself emitting a few photons when the avalanche current starts to flow after a photon is absorbed, and before the quench circuit lowers the reverse bias below the avalanche threshold to stop the current flow. The detectors typically have an array of APDs, so the photons emitted by one APD in avalanche will trigger the breakdown of others in the array. Also slight temperature changes of the junction (just from the larger average current that's flowing while the device is exposed to the more intsense light) shift the avalanche breakdown threshold, which will change the amount of excess bias voltage, which greatly changes the sensitivity of the device. The way to mitigate this is to use an active quench circuit with a gating signal. You want to keep the bias voltage across the device a little below the threshold when you know the device will be exposed to a lot of light (the laser pulse), then you crank the bias voltage up above the threshold when the excitation light is shut off to do the measurements. If I had to guess, the detector is made by Hammamatsu, even the quench circuit and everything else might just be re-badged Hammamatsu kit. If the quench circuit is designed properly, the device will not be damaged by exposure to too much light. There will be a saturation threshold where the device can no longer measure more light and give meaningful results, but as long as the quench circuit keeps the average power flowing to a reasonable level to not cause heat induced damage, there should be no long term effects.
The light saturation of the detector after the LIDAR pulse is due to charge trapping inside the detector. In fact, for atmospheric LIDAR it would be better to employ a gated SPAD detector, which can really be turned off during the laser pulse and pretty much no saturation should occur.
The photon counter is made in Québec, where I live. It was made in Vaudreuil, which is west of Montréal. We have a lot of scientific research companies up here.
Don't suppose you would want to donate a photon counter (high dark counts just aren't a big deal) to a university group doing photon correlation spectroscopy with very little funding? :)
oh god, I made the mistake of buying one of those sort of soddering irons when I was trying to get into electronics but didn't know what I was doing (and still don't, which is why I gave up for now). Those things are so dangerous and scary to use, mine started smoking through those grates, I used it once and never again.
That is an apple tv remote. Geo caching was invented a couple miles away from me in Estacada, Oregon by a guy from Beavercreek, Oregon which is where I am from. I love your videos, I always learn something, thank you for the time and effort and I think Sagan is an awesome name. Thanks again mate.
It's crazy I know two of the engineers that have many patents issued when they worked at Dallas Semiconductor! Bradley & Thomas Harrington. I bet Dave would have a blast talking to them.
Is that soldering iron UL approved? How about the wet baby alarm? The latter may have undesirable conditioning effect - a reward for peeing unless the music scares the baby in which case it would deter peeing.
They use those plugs in China, too. And there they have 230v. I was really surprised when I went to China though, to find that most outlets accepted most plugs, even european Shuko :P
I work on several OEM opto-mech modules for KLA, unfortunately i've never heard of their temperature sensing system. Did some research and it seems really interesting
He-he! One might actually suspect Big Clive for "harassing" Dave with all those Prime Chinese products. Love the tune of the Wet Baby Alert by the way, because it's only natural to play a cheerful tune when the baby wet itself.
the remote control looks like my Apple TV remote. I have often stared at that obelisk and wondered how the hell they put it together. Good luck indeed; mine remains unexplored.
Something I discovered, that "American" plug on that soldering iron is actually made for Chinese outlets. Apparently they fit the 220/240 volt outlets there...
My LIFX is working just fine. I like it, because they documented the protocol fully, so I was able to control it from Linux easily from a script, not just by phone. Nice overall.
I never saw the point of geocaching. You just walk until the coordinates on your receiver matches the posted coordinates and then look down. Now, before the advent of the GPS system it would have actually been interesting. Loran wouldn't have been precise enough, especially not in the woods, so you'd have to rely on trigonometric surveying. That would have made it a pretty cool challenge.
I found one of those shocking pens at a small store up north and I was able to get a 4 watt night light bulb to glow red. Wasn't bright to see by though. This pen used a single AAA battery.
+gary d He announced it on Twitter several days early, so I kind of assumed it wasn't an April 1 gag, but at this point, I'm guessing that he had a scheduled tweet that got out early or something
Call me old too, but those internet conected lights? Stupid. Internet connected switch on the wall? Ok, that's acceptable: you can manually override the system easilly. Being forced to use a smart phone is a design fault. And in a few years, when the compagny will bo bankrupt or abandon the product, there will be no more compatible apps for your new phone! People tend to forget that, specially with starters...
Dave, do a collaborative post with Chris, he's worked in a fab so he can probably add something to description of the process with photos of those wafers.
thet german module it is for the fallar car system that are little ho cars that drive around the railroad (H0) they follow a magnet wire and they have a readsensor for stopping
Hi Dave! I work with a type of avalanche photodiodes, namely Silicon Multi Pixel photon counters. I have some ideas regarding the saturation effects that the letter was talking about. It's likely due to an excessive amount of electron captures in the silicon during the initial pulse. These electrons are later released, creating afterpulses. There's not much to do about it! The long "lag time", i.e. the time it takes from electron capture to electron release increases as the APD gets colder. But you also need a cold APD to decrease the dark count.
just a mechanically educated guess here, the apple remote was hollowed out with a t-slot cutter on a milling machine and the boards are stuck in there like the sliding glass doors of a cupboard.
Those pens are crap, if you want to shock your mate, use a megger tester! :) Another trick we used to do was charge up 300v caps and when sneak up behind someone and prod their ear lobes with the lead wires :)
My wife was near the door after you opened the soldering iron. She thought I was watching porn. 27:16 on. "I don't even want to touch it! But I have to." :)
I haven't been in a single meeting, but reading the words makes me immediately think of a Metting. The only one i don't understand is the "Jon Fosses Kumøkbingo", probbably something that is not that known in the area where i live.
I'd love to have a complete wafer someday. I'd frame it nicely and hang it on the wall. Preferably I think I'd want something with a lot of visible details, such as at 5:27 or even later at around 7:44. Naturally if I ever get the opportunity to get one, I'd try for the one that has the most to look at to the naked eye. But they all definitely will have fun things to see if you add magnification.
Crap like that soldering iron should be plenty legal because people need to never forget "you get what you pay for." Some people need to be taught lessons in that regard.
That plug is actually not a North American plug -- notice how there's no holes in the contacts? I'm pretty sure that's either South American or African -- those continents have a mix of 120/240V countries.
there's nothing weird about some parts of canada speaking french. Afterall , the french were in north america before the britishs. Makes sense there'd be lots of french speaking folks there
Big Clive got one of those irons and the wire fell out as he was holding it in his hands.
Maybe the next big Chinese special will be some combination of the soldering iron and the wet baby detector!
Dave,
I work in the semiconductor ind. Those temperature sensing wafers are used in areas of the process that involve heating up the wafers. This is seen a lot in the lithography steps where the wafers are baked and cooled. Fluctuations in the temp across oven plates causes problems further down the line when the wafers get exposed. These sense wafers are typically used to calibrate the oven plates used to heat the wafers, this ensures that all of the wafer gets heated to the same temperature.
Great show by the way :)
+Darragh O Meara Figured it was something like that, thanks. So just used once to set up the production rig?
Dave,
The shock pen was mine, lol. Thanks for the teardown! I wish I could afford to send something more interesting. Still the greatest feeling in the world to have my stuff on your vblog. Been following weekly for years.
"Houy, welcome to everyone's favorite segment mailbag!" Who else at home says the intro every time along with Dave? I can't be the only one...
Edit: Dave, when you start pronouncing Peltier correctly, maybe I'll change my pronunciation of geocaching. :P
Those temp-sensing wafers are so bizarre and beautiful, they should be framed and hung up in the lab.
+Eric Wasatonic Yup, works of art.
+Eric Wasatonic lol i was about to give that same suggestion shadow box frame would be awesome
+Eric Wasatonic yes want to buy one to put in my student room
+Eric Wasatonic I agree.That thought came to as well.
He seamed to like the £1 soldering iron.
Yes it was me who ordered it for him.
+the3dvideo
That was some find. A real gem. :-)
+Sean Hawkins www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIY-220V-40W-Electric-Vacuum-Solder-Welding-Soldering-Iron-Tool-Pencil-Tip-/252311675127?
I ordered one! I must see this with my own eyes XD
You can find a tear down by bigclivedotcom, watch?v=OeILL08T08w
+the3dvideo i like the discription
I bought some LED lightbulbs off of China once. They emitted so much interference that it produced a +30 dB noise level on my HF radio. I eventually took one apart and found one of the most scary SMPS circuits ever.
lol they didn't solder together the soldering iron ahahahaahahaahahh
+Mike Sanchez Too many fatalities after trying their own stock ;)
+Mike Sanchez
I guess they figured that the users can solder it themselves with the iron itself... Smart bunch obviously.
firecrow 797 wouldn't help to solder to heat wire anyway , plus nichrome doesnt like solder, they needed to crimp it.
The schematic diagram for the "wet babay" alert is hilarious =) They're using "integ-rated" chips none of this "dis-crete" rubish.
+VoltLog I love how they dont even cut the leads!
27:17 My neighbors are probably wondering what I'm watching
+SoCalFreelance my mother propably does also
Still wating for the Altium-I mean the DaveCADHQ building tour!
Proabbly going negative as scope input unterminated.
+mikeselectricstuff I noticed that too -- pretty sure it was supposed to be driving 50 ohms.
worth a like for the crotch eczema and other chinee wonderness
+ThePobolycwm Yeah, "schematic diagram of wet babay alert" they said LOL
I used to work at Digital Equipment years ago. The LSI 11-23, was known internally as the "Fonz-11" project, and they had the "two thumbs up" icon from "the Fonz" on the TV show "Happy Days" right there on the Silicon! They also had a support chip known as the "MIC" chip (stood for "multiple level interrupt controller"), and it had 'Mickey Mouse' in the corner of the chip (good thing Disney never found out about that one!). Then there was the 11-73 micro processor chip. It was internally called the "Jaws-11", and had a logo of the 'Great White Shark' from the movie on the chip. I got to look at all of these under a microscope, so I saw the artwork.
+Kenneth Scharf God I would kill to have a DEC machine...
Somewhere in my Junque box I still have an LSI-11-23 cpu board.
+Kenneth Scharf Very cool! (Huge Fonz fan)
+Kenneth Scharf Send it to the guys to scan!
I wouldn't want to rip those chips open to scan them, that CPU board probably still works!
The blue tape is to hold all the dies together after dicing :D
They would look lovely in a frame in your new office .
05:51 - It's an 8-bit digital mirror!
OMG, the soldering iron reaction had me laughing on the floor....
The temperature sensing wafer (called on-wafer) is used to measure the different temperature zones in a Dry Etch plasma tool of the Electrostatic Chuck (ESC). For zonal temperature tuning. This is used to control the etch rates on across the inner to outer zones. Critical when you are trying to control etch rates within +-10 Angstroms across the surface of a 300 mm wafer. A couple of tenths of a degree makes all the difference.
Those are single photon avalanche photo diode detectors. My MSc. thesis was based around designing these at the device layout level, and characterizing various designs for integration on the same die with other CMOS circuits for medical applications (and I did it in Canada too, even the silicon wafers were made in Canada!!!). It was quite the happy day when I finally actually saw some of those magical pulses coming out of APDs that I had actually designed! The afterpulsing is generally caused by the detector itself emitting a few photons when the avalanche current starts to flow after a photon is absorbed, and before the quench circuit lowers the reverse bias below the avalanche threshold to stop the current flow. The detectors typically have an array of APDs, so the photons emitted by one APD in avalanche will trigger the breakdown of others in the array. Also slight temperature changes of the junction (just from the larger average current that's flowing while the device is exposed to the more intsense light) shift the avalanche breakdown threshold, which will change the amount of excess bias voltage, which greatly changes the sensitivity of the device. The way to mitigate this is to use an active quench circuit with a gating signal. You want to keep the bias voltage across the device a little below the threshold when you know the device will be exposed to a lot of light (the laser pulse), then you crank the bias voltage up above the threshold when the excitation light is shut off to do the measurements. If I had to guess, the detector is made by Hammamatsu, even the quench circuit and everything else might just be re-badged Hammamatsu kit. If the quench circuit is designed properly, the device will not be damaged by exposure to too much light. There will be a saturation threshold where the device can no longer measure more light and give meaningful results, but as long as the quench circuit keeps the average power flowing to a reasonable level to not cause heat induced damage, there should be no long term effects.
Wow right from the get go we get to see so many amazing silicon wafers!
At 23:30 it's not photons going through your thumb, it's your thumb emitting IR light due to heat.
lifx kickstarter was probably the most professional and on time kickstarter I've seen
"I have no idea what that is, but it looks impressive!" There's yer next sciencey t-shirt, Dave.
A crowdfunding campaign that actually kept its promise to its backers and actually shipped. Batteriser take notes!
The light saturation of the detector after the LIDAR pulse is due to charge trapping inside the detector. In fact, for atmospheric LIDAR it would be better to employ a gated SPAD detector, which can really be turned off during the laser pulse and pretty much no saturation should occur.
The photon counter is made in Québec, where I live. It was made in Vaudreuil, which is west of Montréal. We have a lot of scientific research companies up here.
That photon counter was incredibly interesting
Good mailbag. Had a good laugh at the wet baby detector and soldering iron. I'm surprised China isn't on fire right now.
It also played its a small world. Which is weird...
In case you didn't find out, the remote is for a generation 1 AppleTV. My family has one of those.
Don't suppose you would want to donate a photon counter (high dark counts just aren't a big deal) to a university group doing photon correlation spectroscopy with very little funding? :)
Dave this is one of the best mail bags ever
Game plan: Find the biggest box, send the smallest object. Be first to be featured in Mailbag segment.
+Osmosis Would cost alot to send.
I suppose with all the stuff you got in the mailbag and the ENORMOUS new lab, you could set up the official EEVblog museum
+Random Model Making Channel But you can only visit on April 1.
The wet baby alert was the best part. XD
Ah, so 10 seconds after throwing shade on the "fanboys", you are impressed by Sir Jony Ive's design?
30:22 thats the one i send.
i have a few of those and they run fine after half a year of normal use.
oh god, I made the mistake of buying one of those sort of soddering irons when I was trying to get into electronics but didn't know what I was doing (and still don't, which is why I gave up for now). Those things are so dangerous and scary to use, mine started smoking through those grates, I used it once and never again.
The wafers are mounted on the mylar before being singulated so the die don't go flying everywhere and can be picked
That is an apple tv remote. Geo caching was invented a couple miles away from me in Estacada, Oregon by a guy from Beavercreek, Oregon which is where I am from. I love your videos, I always learn something, thank you for the time and effort and I think Sagan is an awesome name. Thanks again mate.
You should make a tabletop with the wafers sealed under clear resin
It's crazy I know two of the engineers that have many patents issued when they worked at Dallas Semiconductor! Bradley & Thomas Harrington. I bet Dave would have a blast talking to them.
Is that soldering iron UL approved? How about the wet baby alarm? The latter may have undesirable conditioning effect - a reward for peeing unless the music scares the baby in which case it would deter peeing.
They use those plugs in China, too. And there they have 230v.
I was really surprised when I went to China though, to find that most outlets accepted most plugs, even european Shuko :P
I work on several OEM opto-mech modules for KLA, unfortunately i've never heard of their temperature sensing system. Did some research and it seems really interesting
A quick Google tells me that the model car module is still being sold for 36€ delivered (at least in Germany).
He-he! One might actually suspect Big Clive for "harassing" Dave with all those Prime Chinese products.
Love the tune of the Wet Baby Alert by the way, because it's only natural to play a cheerful tune when the baby wet itself.
the remote control looks like my Apple TV remote. I have often stared at that obelisk and wondered how the hell they put it together. Good luck indeed; mine remains unexplored.
Hiii Lewys here,
the photo is my best friend from high school Christian, not me ;)
Those APDs are not cooled to cold temperatures but they are kept at 20°C or so.
Something I discovered, that "American" plug on that soldering iron is actually made for Chinese outlets. Apparently they fit the 220/240 volt outlets there...
+10100rsn Oh yeah, that's right! I think the only difference is that it has no holes in the end of the prongs and the're a bit smaller.
What will Dave do if everyone's favorite segment is no longer mailbag?
8:00 you can hand that up wall as picture painting. nice
The pronunciation is Antwan (like swan) :D
The equivalent of sending EEV blog a bag of poo would be a dodgy soldering iron, crappy DMM or a wireless ESD band..
+kakureru Or all 3, so he can use the soldering iron to fix the broken meter while wearing the static band! Would make a great repair video. :P
Red Squirrel
Tempting... ;)
My LIFX is working just fine. I like it, because they documented the protocol fully, so I was able to control it from Linux easily from a script, not just by phone. Nice overall.
I never saw the point of geocaching. You just walk until the coordinates on your receiver matches the posted coordinates and then look down. Now, before the advent of the GPS system it would have actually been interesting. Loran wouldn't have been precise enough, especially not in the woods, so you'd have to rely on trigonometric surveying. That would have made it a pretty cool challenge.
I found one of those shocking pens at a small store up north and I was able to get a 4 watt night light bulb to glow red. Wasn't bright to see by though. This pen used a single AAA battery.
Try getting a new APD from ebay and repair your photon counter. Then you could do some photon correlations with your detectors.
Any updates on the new lab?
+Antivorg I just sold Sagan to a rich Chinese buyer to pay for the first years rent. I move in next week.
+EEVblog haha, and Huxley will pay your utility bill
+EEVblog Protip: March 26 != April 1
+Sudos Oct 31 == Dec 25!
+gary d He announced it on Twitter several days early, so I kind of assumed it wasn't an April 1 gag, but at this point, I'm guessing that he had a scheduled tweet that got out early or something
Call me old too, but those internet conected lights? Stupid. Internet connected switch on the wall? Ok, that's acceptable: you can manually override the system easilly. Being forced to use a smart phone is a design fault. And in a few years, when the compagny will bo bankrupt or abandon the product, there will be no more compatible apps for your new phone! People tend to forget that, specially with starters...
The potting compound on the light might be thermally conductive. I did something similar in a flashlight design.
Dave, do a collaborative post with Chris, he's worked in a fab so he can probably add something to description of the process with photos of those wafers.
Dave, you need to organize a museum.
I thought us poms were the moany wingers -- Cheers Dave
thet german module
it is for the fallar car system
that are little ho cars that drive around the railroad (H0)
they follow a magnet wire and they have a readsensor for stopping
Hi Dave! I work with a type of avalanche photodiodes, namely Silicon Multi Pixel photon counters. I have some ideas regarding the saturation effects that the letter was talking about. It's likely due to an excessive amount of electron captures in the silicon during the initial pulse. These electrons are later released, creating afterpulses. There's not much to do about it! The long "lag time", i.e. the time it takes from electron capture to electron release increases as the APD gets colder. But you also need a cold APD to decrease the dark count.
My guess is that the air is floressing (sp?) after being excited by the laser and the detector is picking up those photons.
+EEVblog
Dave, you forgot to include the link to the CZcams video with the silicon wafers!
+Pete Allum Updated.
+EEVblog
Cheers!
just a mechanically educated guess here, the apple remote was hollowed out with a t-slot cutter on a milling machine and the boards are stuck in there like the sliding glass doors of a cupboard.
+PULL MY Finger thanks for sending it in. interesting. got some info on that welding?
Those pens are crap, if you want to shock your mate, use a megger tester! :) Another trick we used to do was charge up 300v caps and when sneak up behind someone and prod their ear lobes with the lead wires :)
My wife was near the door after you opened the soldering iron. She thought I was watching porn. 27:16 on. "I don't even want to touch it! But I have to." :)
+Pete Brown worse, it might have sounded like gayporn
I love the looks of these discs. If you are ever going to get rid of them, I'd love to have some. I'll pay for shipping no problem!
At 23:10, could the IR from your thumb (body heat) be saturating the camera?
It says detection ranges to 1060nm, and its being cooled with that TEC.
only half way in and this is the best mailbag I can remember.
30:20 hahaha. Are you SURE, it's not for enclosed light fixtures ?
My first soldering iron was just like that. I was freaked out to plug in...
I haven't been in a single meeting, but reading the words makes me immediately think of a Metting.
The only one i don't understand is the "Jon Fosses Kumøkbingo", probbably something that is not that known in the area where i live.
I'd love to have a complete wafer someday. I'd frame it nicely and hang it on the wall. Preferably I think I'd want something with a lot of visible details, such as at 5:27 or even later at around 7:44. Naturally if I ever get the opportunity to get one, I'd try for the one that has the most to look at to the naked eye. But they all definitely will have fun things to see if you add magnification.
Logged the GeoCoin. TFT Vlog
Surprising quality of solder joints on that chinesium LED bulb board...... well.... at least the smt...
220V with american plug is actually commonly used in China
Come on dave, smart lightbulbs are quite useful as status lights, you cant deny that...
Re those led light bulbs at around 28:00 , i bought one and every time i turn it on, my pc emits the sound like when it's looking for new hardware :D
Thought that pen would be a grill ignitor or something.
Amazing, I bought a load from aberco last month! Make great wall art :D
3:05, I think it is pronounced "Antwan".
+Justin Updyke Yeap
Many baby has electrolysis crotch!
Man, ive bought a lot of cheap ebay shit but that really goes above and beyond!
Antoine is pronounced Antwon with a French accent! Think of Marie Antoinette.
Those wafers are amazing!
Crap like that soldering iron should be plenty legal because people need to never forget "you get what you pay for." Some people need to be taught lessons in that regard.
+Tim Ramich Not with their life though...
+Heath Wells Yes, with their life.
+Tim Ramich What the hell o.O
Wow, the logo on the christmas shirt is a Peanuts reference. Doubleplus Minnesota.
Could the weird pulses from the photon detector be due to wrong termination on the scope? Dunno if it wants 50 ohms...
That plug is actually not a North American plug -- notice how there's no holes in the contacts? I'm pretty sure that's either South American or African -- those continents have a mix of 120/240V countries.
I bought a whole bunch of those LED bulbs. Work great to be fair. I'm limited in what size I can use due to design. Feel bad now though lol.
there's nothing weird about some parts of canada speaking french. Afterall , the french were in north america before the britishs. Makes sense there'd be lots of french speaking folks there
And the moans kept on coming
The diced wafer is how disco balls were made, right...?
It's remote for Apple TV old style, or for Mac computers.
Jon Fosses Cowdungbingo, what the fack!? haha
Go to 27:15 and close your eyes for a while :D
+Kaeltis LMAO hilarius