as a Pole who loves history of my country and history of all nations in the region -> thanks for such wonderfull video. Thanks for that I understand more of ukrainian and also jewish perspective :) !
25:20 Latifundia in the Ukraine were owned by local oligarchs who converted to Catholicism and became Polonized. They usually were not conquered by people who came from Poland. For example, the protagonist of Khmelnitsky - Prince Yarema Wisniowicki (Vyshniovitsky) was the second generation Catholic. His son, Michael was eleceted a kind of Poland. The social structure of Ukraine differed from ethnic Poland were petty nobility dominated and huge latifundia were rare.
Bohdan Chmielnicki - Zaporozhye hetman, leader of the Cossack uprising against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the years 1648-1657, national hero of Ukraine. Chmielnicki told people that Poles sold them as slaves "to the damned Jews." In this battle cry, the Cossacks and peasants massacred many Jewish and Polish-Lithuanian burghers, as well as the nobles in the years 1648-1649. Ukrainians also killed Poles in the massacre near Volhynia, it sounds very similar.
A very interesting, colloquial lecture. Thank you! But hearing again and again that the lecture is given in Surfside, I hope very much that no one there has been affected by the collapse of the apartment building!
The word pogrom doesn't have an unknown origin. Opposite is the true. It stems from the Russian verb громить - gromit' that means to destroy,strike etc. And it is a common word known by any Russian speaker.
You said that a woman in the Ukraine took you for a Pole. I have seen several Americans who have learned Russian and they always sounded like Polish trying to speak in Russian due to the lack of palatal consonants in English.
I wonder if what you said of the Russian Orthodox is true, that their priests can marry. I am of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, (pejoratively referred to as "uniate" by the Russian Orthodox chuch) and for our people, though we have married clergy, our priests cannot marry --- it is our married men who can be ordained. A significant difference. It must be done in that order. A widowed priest cannot remarry.
***** I don't know if the term "uniate" originated as derogatory, but it's used by the ROC in a "don't touch them with a 10-foot pole" sort of spirit. Certainly not in a spirit of brotherly dialogue. Re: married clergy, this is the only "ruling" I've ever known. It's not a recent thing, for sure. I'm not a canonist, nor a historian, though, and couldn't speak to 'the last few centuries'. If you know any "uniate" bishops, that's a good place to start asking. If they don't know, themselves, they could direct you to a good historian, I'm sure. (Actually, I could suggest one -- Rev. Athanasius McVay. annalesecclesiaeucrainae.blogspot.ca/ (his blog)
Dear Henry! I love your lectures. But sometimes you make mistakes. 1. The cossacs picture by Ilia Repin, a baptized jew from Ukraine, called cossacs write a letter to the turkish sultun not a tsar. It meant their shift toward russia. It could be a legend that was exploid by the russian propaganda. 2. As a former kievan I state that the Khmelnitsky monument is located on a Bohdan Khmelnitsky Square. Since not all rabbies aware about that person and his deeds jews are allowed to walk the square, no archs attached to it. Independence Square is lower in Kreshtchatic.
The picture of the Cossacks was painted by Ilya Repin in 1891. It is actually about a supposed letter in reply by the Cossack leader Ivan Dmitrovich Sirko in 1675 to the Turkish Sultan Mehmet IV, who was demanding their submission. The letter was full of insults and telling Mehmet what he could do to his mother.
This information lends serious credence to the claims that I am a descendent of a forced conversion to Catholicism from this precise period in Ukrainian history. Unfortunately my grand parents viewed the topic as a family scandal that was not to be discussed. With this information, the clues I was able to glean over the years growing up make much more sense.
Yasher Koach Dr Henry - Blessings from Melbourne Australia. Quick question please: The persecutions and spilling of Jewish blood that occurred during The Chmielnicki Rebellion and its ferocity of hatred was only matched by The Nazis at the time of The Holocaust.
To the etymology of "pogrom"... I'm just guessing, but if "grom" is the root, in Russian, the Ukrainian equivalent might sound like "hrym", which is an onomatopoeic word that is something like a slam. I may be guessing, but I think it could be imagined to be this. The "po-" portion can be a common prefix, which indicates some directional movement or at least intentionality, suggesting -- if my other guess is correct -- a progressive movement towards its goal, (vs. "za-" which might suggest 'away from', or "vid-" which might be more a reflexive intentionality. Just a thought.
It was a very interesting lecture, but it was very surface. I think even in the context of Jewish history as a part of the World History there are more questions than answers can be found. I am sorry but you have a lack of context from Ukrainian and Polish history. On my foolish discretion your lecture have a lack of the structure and political realities of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (which was not a girly polish country) and the political whims of the Gentry of that time.
as a Pole who loves history of my country and history of all nations in the region -> thanks for such wonderfull video. Thanks for that I understand more of ukrainian and also jewish perspective :) !
25:20 Latifundia in the Ukraine were owned by local oligarchs who converted to Catholicism and became Polonized. They usually were not conquered by people who came from Poland. For example, the protagonist of Khmelnitsky - Prince Yarema Wisniowicki (Vyshniovitsky) was the second generation Catholic. His son, Michael was eleceted a kind of Poland. The social structure of Ukraine differed from ethnic Poland were petty nobility dominated and huge latifundia were rare.
Bohdan Chmielnicki - Zaporozhye hetman, leader of the Cossack uprising against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the years 1648-1657, national hero of Ukraine. Chmielnicki told people that Poles sold them as slaves "to the damned Jews." In this battle cry, the Cossacks and peasants massacred many Jewish and Polish-Lithuanian burghers, as well as the nobles in the years 1648-1649.
Ukrainians also killed Poles in the massacre near Volhynia, it sounds very similar.
A very interesting, colloquial lecture. Thank you! But hearing again and again that the lecture is given in Surfside, I hope very much that no one there has been affected by the collapse of the apartment building!
Another great lecture. Many thanks, Dr. Abramson.
The word pogrom doesn't have an unknown origin. Opposite is the true. It stems from the Russian verb громить - gromit' that means to destroy,strike etc. And it is a common word known by any Russian speaker.
Herring you sold me for 10$ I can buy for one dollar. "You see it's working already"
You said that a woman in the Ukraine took you for a Pole. I have seen several Americans who have learned Russian and they always sounded like Polish trying to speak in Russian due to the lack of palatal consonants in English.
I wonder if what you said of the Russian Orthodox is true, that their priests can marry. I am of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, (pejoratively referred to as "uniate" by the Russian Orthodox chuch) and for our people, though we have married clergy, our priests cannot marry --- it is our married men who can be ordained. A significant difference. It must be done in that order. A widowed priest cannot remarry.
*****
I don't know if the term "uniate" originated as derogatory, but it's used by the ROC in a "don't touch them with a 10-foot pole" sort of spirit. Certainly not in a spirit of brotherly dialogue. Re: married clergy, this is the only "ruling" I've ever known. It's not a recent thing, for sure. I'm not a canonist, nor a historian, though, and couldn't speak to 'the last few centuries'. If you know any "uniate" bishops, that's a good place to start asking. If they don't know, themselves, they could direct you to a good historian, I'm sure. (Actually, I could suggest one -- Rev. Athanasius McVay. annalesecclesiaeucrainae.blogspot.ca/ (his blog)
SestraC in the Orthodox Church you cannot be a priest unless you're married.
Dear Henry!
I love your lectures. But sometimes you make mistakes.
1. The cossacs picture by Ilia Repin, a baptized jew from Ukraine, called cossacs write a letter to the turkish sultun not a tsar. It meant their shift toward russia. It could be a legend that was exploid by the russian propaganda.
2. As a former kievan I state that the Khmelnitsky monument is located on a Bohdan Khmelnitsky Square. Since not all rabbies aware about that person and his deeds jews are allowed to walk the square, no archs attached to it.
Independence Square is lower in Kreshtchatic.
Interesting to hear about the West-East tension in Ukraine a year before the crisis of 2014 broke out
The picture of the Cossacks was painted by Ilya Repin in 1891. It is actually about a supposed letter in reply by the Cossack leader Ivan Dmitrovich Sirko in 1675 to the Turkish Sultan Mehmet IV, who was demanding their submission. The letter was full of insults and telling Mehmet what he could do to his mother.
This information lends serious credence to the claims that I am a descendent of a forced conversion to Catholicism from this precise period in Ukrainian history. Unfortunately my grand parents viewed the topic as a family scandal that was not to be discussed. With this information, the clues I was able to glean over the years growing up make much more sense.
Yasher Koach Dr Henry - Blessings from Melbourne Australia.
Quick question please:
The persecutions and spilling of Jewish blood that occurred during The Chmielnicki Rebellion and its ferocity of hatred was only matched
by The Nazis at the time of The Holocaust.
To the etymology of "pogrom"... I'm just guessing, but if "grom" is the root, in Russian, the Ukrainian equivalent might sound like "hrym", which is an onomatopoeic word that is something like a slam. I may be guessing, but I think it could be imagined to be this. The "po-" portion can be a common prefix, which indicates some directional movement or at least intentionality, suggesting -- if my other guess is correct -- a progressive movement towards its goal, (vs. "za-" which might suggest 'away from', or "vid-" which might be more a reflexive intentionality. Just a thought.
***** Remember, I am just guessing... :)
I see from Daniel Nuriyev's comment, above, that I guessed correctly.
It was a very interesting lecture, but it was very surface. I think even in the context of Jewish history as a part of the World History there are more questions than answers can be found. I am sorry but you have a lack of context from Ukrainian and Polish history. On my foolish discretion your lecture have a lack of the structure and political realities of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (which was not a girly polish country) and the political whims of the Gentry of that time.