First Look! UniFi Pro Max 16 PoE Switch
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2024
- Here's my first look at the UniFi Pro Max 16 PoE switch! This compact yet powerful switch offers 16 ports in total with (4) 2.5 gigabit and PoE++ ports, perfect for modernizing any network setup. Available for wall or rack mounting, it combines versatility with cutting-edge technology, including Etherlighting for an added cool factor. Could this be your next switch? Let's find out...
**** CORRECTION: PoE model MSRP has dropped to $399 at launch. Non-PoE version is $279.
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NOTE: UI changed up the MSRP at launch - the USW-Pro-Max-16-PoE is now $399!
I was just coming to say that!
Add in the rack mount kit at you’re looking at $450. I like it, but would have preferred to not have to buy the kit to rack mount it.
future Chris?
Mine showed up yesterday. One thing I found right off the hop is that the barrel jack is proud of the chassis about 1-2mm and there has already been arcing from the DC barrel plug to the chassis when I moved the switch. Does NOT bode well. Opened a case with UI Support this AM. Maybe ElectroBoom will like one of these.
Update: Ubiquiti is absolutely taking charge of the problem and resolving it beyond expectation. I have to say, this is a VERY good intro into their Support and RMA departments and a breath of fresh air. That said, I've never had to exercise Support or RMA in the 10+ years I've been buying Ubiquiti gear for my home and home lab.
Still waiting for an all 2.5 GB switch
I currently use the enterprise 8 poe in my setup for 2.5 GB. Working flawlessly so far, been about 8 months now.
I agree--I don't need POE in my home office, or the second-floor distribution switch. A straight 8-port 2.5 GB switch would be a nice addition to the mix between my office and the NAS in the rack in the basement...
I gave up waiting for Unifi to deliver what we want and not what they can drip out to upsell people bit by bit.
Yes, at least 8 2.5GB ports were much nicer, I agree
Yep totally agree, the same physical format with 8 2.5G would be ideal mounted under my desk
Personally, I prefer internal power supplies. I hate large power bricks. I'm glad to see this as an offering, nonetheless.
With an internal PSU fanless would not have been possible.
External bricks are more reliable, safe to replace, run cooler than internal ones, and don't require massive disruption to replace if they die. When the brick is integrated into the rack mount like this one, it's perfect. For a desktop or wall mount though, the brick sucks big time - there are many negatives - the size, but most of all the difficulty of cable management.
@@einfelder8262 There are pros and cons either way. I just prefer integrated PSUs. I know this device isn't marketed towards someone like me. Its still good to have as an option nonetheless.
i like the internal psu to, but external has some adhantages, like easy to swap, or easy to do a dc mod and feed the switch from a dc source directly.
yeah if they had slapped the power inside you wouldn't have to pay €45+tax for the stupid rack ears... and you would have had a clean looking front too
Customers: We want a Pro line with 16x 2.5 GbE with PoE+
Unifi: Best I can do is neon lights with 4x 2.5 GbE
What about 10gbe ports? Not a single one
@@barygolTechnically, there are also 2 10Gb SFP ports. You can always buy an adapter to ethernet port.
"I don't need that many ports" is a statement that gets regretted very fast.
16+2 is enough for most normal ppl... for the "geeks" with homelabs go for 24+2 or higher...
You had me looking all around for my cat!
It was a nice touch that each yowl was different, lol.
ugh, would be perfect if they'd quit the 2.5/1gbps port mix stupidity. Only 4 2.5gbps ports? Huge miss IMO.
You got two extra SFP 10GB, you can get those RJ45 SFP modules
@@Deraco1 but you can't split them into 4x 2,5 each ;-)
@@Deraco1 while true, I need more than that. If they'd even do HALF of the switch 2.5gbps I might think about it.
4 x 2.5 G with 12 x 1 G is stupid to buy. 8+8 would be ok, 16x 2,5 G with 8 times PoE++ would be awesome. Maybe I have to wait for the new "Enterprise 16 PoE"?
yeah that last one with 16x 2,5g w/8x poe++ would have been the intelligent one to make and wouldn't have costed that much more... and then make it internal psu
If it was an all 2.5gb switch with 2 10gb sfp ports then they'd be able to justify the $400 price tag
They need to commit and make a full 2.5 gbps switch.
a rackmount one yes... the 8+2 enterprise is nice... but not rackmountable
@@LiLBitsDK Anything is rack mountable with some effort and creativity.
@@timmyboy04 yeah but it takes up more room due to plastic "details" than it needs... and no ear mount for it... so it cold have been made better than a "desk mount" especially with the name and price they gave it
Thanks for another great video, Chris! Was a bit put off by the power brick until you showed the rack mount setup, they did a great job building a compartment for it so it is up and out of the way. I'm also thinking one could feed this with alternative power sources.
Once again, UI demonstrates vision outside the box. The benefits of things like an external (but rack-mountable) PSU can take a minute to sink in. Great coverage, Chris!
Looks cool. I like the ether-lighting.
With that price and 4 2.5gbe. The rack mount kit should have been included.
Not the whole kit, but sure should have included the rack mount ears.
@@williamp6800 kit? you mean the stupid psu holder for the psu that should have been built into it to begin with?
That is the switch that I was expecting! The price is little high with rack adapter but definitely I will buy one. Thank you Chris!
It's nice, but not splitting as 8x 2.5g, 8x 1g is a bit of a crime, for "pro max". Perhaps the ultra mega elite version will.
Agreed with other comments about the ridiculous power supply arrangement. They made the chassis smaller then had to invent that contraption to make it the correct width again to hold the power brick. Just make the chassis the proper 1U width to integrate the PSU!
Also the Pro Max series should really have all 2.5 Gbps ports as standard. Finding 1 Gbps ports on a brand new device in 2024 marketed as "Pro Max" doesn't sit right.
Pro Min... No Max when it is still 1g...
Should be all 2.5 gig. Also optional rack kit should be vented for PSU.
I'm definitely going to buy this!
In the UniFi Store, they have the Pro Max 16 PoE listed as $399 (rather than $479) and as you listed the Pro Max 16 Non-PoE for $279. Good to see they lowered the price on the Pro Max 16 PoE switch. That’s a decent price.
Yup - I put a note in the description about that...stuff happens fast!
@@CrosstalkSolutions haha indeed!
it looks like you can by the rack mount separately though now.
@@grantwilcox330it was always going to be $50 accessory kit, no matter what the switch price was.
Not including rack ears but charging $50 to get them. Can you say Rip Off?
This is the best rack mount accessory package I have ever seen.
Anyone happy to have to pay $50 to get rack mount ears has lost perspective on price and value.
Looks like a nice alternative to the Pro 8 Poe, and with rack mounting. May get this once I fill up my dream machine SE.
This is exactly what I have been looking for! Just ordered mine!
will be my first unifi switch purchase, so excited and was waiting for a 16 port with sfp+
Honestly with only 4 2.5 GB thats a miss. I wanna do a full unifi network build but until they recognize that people want 2.5 GB I can't pull the trigger on their prices.
I like the form factor and its flexibility in mounting, I can think of a lot of use cases for this.
It's perfect for my case, the 10G coming from the router, a couple of 2.5 for the newer PCs, POE++ to power some ultras and de-centralize the cable convergence on the current 24p switch
YES ! This is the one I need for a residence with average 4 Unifi 7 AP's and 12 Cameras. Perfect!
I have been waiting for something like this to replace my old USW 16 PoE. More Power and 10G SFP+ ports, which was something I did not get with my original one because I failed to notice that it was only 1Gb. At first I did not like the power brick but the way the rack mount hides it is great and I can appreciate the smaller form factor for those that do not have a rack. Definitely an upgrade that I will be doing soon. It was hard to justify the $799 for the 24 port for my use case, as I did not need that many ports, but this one is perfect.
A better featured 16 port switch was always an interesting product hole in their lineup. It’s good they fixed it.
Definitely going to buy this one
Totally just ordered some Ultra's yesterday for my I-don't-want-a-rack home setup and now have to see if I can switch them out for this.
This looks great!
Looks really cool.
Not a fan of RGB lighting in general, but here I can use it to signal things. That makes it useful IMO.
Looks great, just about perfect for my needs. Power supply will be easy to replace in the 1u configuration if it fails. Now hoping they release 16 and 8 port 10g switches
Looks like you can flip the wall mounting ears the other direction to make them hide behind the switch? Makes the wall footprint a bit smaller, cool switch!
Why do they keep shorting 2.5 interfaces?
Because this is probably the backbone for 12 cameras and a 2.5 for dvr and 2.5 for uplink, and two spare 2.5’s
Nice ! I want the same form factor Switch with 16 10Gbe ports ! :-)
It is definitely a better design. I am glad it has some 2.5Gbps on it and the fact that every port is at least POE+ is really good and it should make for a good home setup where you can have APs on the 2.5Gbps ports with cameras running on the rest. The only thing I question on the switch is the external power brick. I kinda wish they had just made the case itself bigger and then stuck it where they did in the rack mount accessory. The accessory is very well thought out with how it routes the cables though. I wonder if it would make more sense alongside the non POE version. I bet that thing doesn't have nearly as big of a power brick and might just be more like a little wall wart.
Especially like the silent operation. Wish the Enterprise 8 PoE included that as well!
kinda wish they made a Enterprise 8 non-poe (cheaper) the 8port enterprise is more expensive than the 16port in this review
Waiting for a docsis 4 modem
Thanks for sharing the info on the switch!
Is the BOM cost of a 2.5 GBe ports really so high they have to keep skimping on 2.5GBe ports?
I would be far more interested in the switch if it was a full 2.5GBe switch (or better yet, lets all just get to 10Gbe instead of these middle jumps xD)
Finally they put all the ports next to each other. I have the 24 PoE switch and it’s frustrating that all the ports are on the right side. Think of buying this model, but only if I can sell my current switch for the right price.
finally something with 2.5gbps, poe++ and sfp+ in "ok ish" pricerange! really wish psu would be included and normal 1U form factor, but still very nice!
I love it!!
I will buy this for my small home cabinet, I just need a smaller getaway like the ultra with all the features of the dream machine pro max, this can be done with external power supply and pcie ssd drives.
This fits exactly what i need, only have two things 2.5g and can use others for u7 APs
2 things... for now ;-)
I currently use all Netgear Insight switches .. I was considering make the switch to Ubiquiti and specifically this switch, as I am having some issues with my fiber uplinks .. because of the complexity of my install and the lack of resources with the ability to assist .. will these switches reach out to me with issues (internet down, connected neighbor down ... etc ...) .. Thank you for the video, I am planning to order a pair of these if the Ubiquiti management is equal or better than insight.
This will likely replace my combination of 16-lite + Flex XG I am using today, which will save on room inside our leviton structured cabinet upstairs.
The 16 lite has so _little_ total amperage that I had to add an additional inline poe adapter because I kept going over the max Amps (which functionally I found lower than they advertise).
Agree with the comments on the extra large power brick, but it will be ok. I will have to design some 3d printed Leviton mounts for both (I design and print custom leviton adapters for all my unifi gear).
As for your question about the lighting? Meh. It's just not that useful for equipment in a closed / locked cabinet. But this product does solve a missing size / form factor for 16port 10G that they were missing.
For your 10gig setup, what are you using for your SFP+ 10g backbone? I was thinking of getting a Unifi Aggregation but wasn't sure if that would do what I needed to connect my TrueNAS Server and my minisforum MS-01 devices. What do you recommend for a homelabber? I already have ubiquiti hardware, so I was thinking of using the USW-Aggregation device. Is this the route you would go?
Sounds like a perfect application for the Aggregation switch. Although, if only expect to ever have two 10Gb devices, you could just skip the switch and directly attach them.
@@williamp6800 the plan is to eventually have more sfp+ devices (ms01 or something similar) and give it fast access to the truenas server)
Finally they hit the Jackpot with this one!! Its Perfect in every aspect even the Price!!
This is far from perfect lol
external psu = no go
not full with = no go
only 4x 2,5g = no go
heck the 8port enterprise is better then with 8x 2,5g ports... 1g ports are a dime a dozen and can be added for like 20 bucks...
Not sure how i feel about it having an external PSU.
Did you not watch the part where the power brick fits into the rack attachment?
For rack mount you can buy the overly elaborate Isambard Kingdom Brunel construction to hold the PSU, but I worry the DC input into the main unit won't be secure. And what do you do when it's in a desk etc. Just build the PSU in!
@@CrosstalkSolutions admittedly I didn’t catch that part lol
@@CrosstalkSolutions I like that they provide a place to put the brick
The implementation of this PSU rack-mount is a bit ridiculous to be honest. The required space to include the psu into the actual switch is smaller then having the silly extenstion thingy
This is the one I want for my own home network ... $399US (current price on UI Store) is AUD$602 ... but I bet the bloody thing is closer to $1000 by the time I get my hands on it ...
Seems to have some layer 3 features though it doesn’t appear to have any real routing present. But for $399, it’ll work, was just looking for a new 16 port last night and want some layer 3 on it.
This is only saved by that rack kit having a spot for the brick however the extra cost id rather get more ports that are unused
Have been using 10gbe on most of my network for almost 8 months now, with 2.5gb on all my smaller devices, I don’t think I could go back to gigabit or even 2.5g link between my storage server and other devices. Can’t wait for the price to come down enough for 10gbe to be affordable for more people
I would have thought the cat would have left the room what with you bombing it with packing material. Anyway, cool effect. I feel for you having to have only 1Gb in your house. I'm stuck with starlink at whatever the satellite is giving me at any given moment. Yeah, I do not expect to have any need for a gigabit switch anytime soon. I do have their ethernet add-on connected so at least I can be wired in my house. I am looking forward to getting the new Onn streaming gizmo from walmart, hopefully any day now.
I wish there is a desktop version of UDM Pro/ SE ( maybe called it UDM Air / Air SE ) just like this size to fit -in apartment space.
Would much rather the PSU on chassis, whether rack or wall mount. I was very close to pulling the trigger on this - I could probably get over the brick but the lack of 2.5 ports is very disappointing.
Nice, but I don't get the purpose of an external PSU. I would rather prefer full width oder a bit deeper. Anyways: what I really need is a medium sized 10Gbit Switch (RJ45+SFP)
When are you going to take a look at the UXG Max?
This just changed the landscape of under-the-desk switches for everyone, especially if you have a Unifi ecosystem!
It might have made more sense to split the PoE++ ports between the 2.5Gb and 1Gb ports as PoE++ devices like the Access controllers wouldn’t need 2.5Gb and therefore would be wasting one of the few 2.5Gb ports on the switch. Other than that it seems like a great product!
I like the line, I wish the Pro Max 16 could be powered by POE. That is the feature I see is missing.
I would love to see a video about the XMG1915-10EP from Zyxel as it's a bit cheaper and has more 2.5 gig ports.
How hot does it get without a fan? Does it have a temperature sensor? Can you stack it? The enterprise 8 has got an active fan and also gets very hot. How is the temperate here without fan?
I'd love to see a Dream Machine in this form factor tbh. No HDD and external PSU, something that would sit between UDM Pro and UCG Ultra.
Glad is has 10G SFP+
Wonder what's the idle power usage.
External PSU and no support for their own RPS/battery backup (alternative power supply) power methods they were trying to push so hard earlier. Outside of that, at least it seems fairly sane. It would be nice if the DC terminal was able to be secured. And it is nice that it is a 54v device.
DC power backup should be a must on a pro line
@@alexandreanoutchine1885 But what if it is a pro max ultra extreeme elite version? ... ffs this naming scheme is beyond convoluted and meaningless at a glance.
@@SeijinSA I'm not arguing about their naming scheme but up until now pro/enterprise rack mountable switches had DC power backup
@@alexandreanoutchine1885Enterprise switches still do. Nothing about Ubiquiti is Enterprise. Doesn’t make it bad. But it’s not the right choice if you can’t have any downtime, and thus need redundancy.
yeah that own powersupply method seems half arsed... was trying to pick the things I wanted for a full system rebuild, but half the items didn't support it anyways... so would need an UPS anyways so no need to buy into their power solution
I really like this switch with 4 2.5GB ports. Also the option with and without POE is great. This Nightrider Effect costs money and I think in 95% isn’t used.
The 50 bugs for the Rackmount is much to high in my opinion.
I think, I will buy one because of the in my opinion good home usability with the port combination. But I would like to not pay for this light games and to high priced rack mount.
… and I like your videos 👍🏻
I agree because you would may consider then just to buy the 24 pro max as I never have enough ports and it comes with 8 x 2.5gb
might as well just buy the 24 port not much difference in price when adding the rack ears...
Just bought 20 of them... ... I wonder when they turn up..
arrgh.. just ordered yesterday the new PoE Smart Chime and would have ordered this as well and saved the £10 delivery...
Interesting power supply “pot”. Do you reckon that standard rack ears on both sides will fit the switch into a 10 inch telco rack?
In the installation guide it does look like it has standard ear mounting points as well as the proprietary mounts for the accessory kit. But it won’t fit a 10” rack as it’s 13” wide.
To me this would only start to make sense if there is a POE powererd 2.5 switch down stream nd i dont think that exists, yet anyhow. Why else would you need POE++ and 2.5 on the same port. To me it would make more sense to have the POE++ on the one gigabit side. To have power distribution through a 5 port POE or cameras and the like and keep the 2.5 open for faster devices like a few pcs not needing POE. Am i missing some application for having it this way?
I would buy it
And what on earth is that external PSU all about!??? Madness!
The external brick appears to be much smaller for the non-POE version. Unfortunate that I can’t find the 16 Pro Max non-POE version on Amazon.
Love the smaller switch. Definitely would suit my needs - other than the lack of faster ports. Why do they insist on having so many 1 gigabit ports?? At minimum it should be 8x 2.5 gigabit ports. Bit lets be real, they should be all 2.5 and start offering faster port selections.
The 1st of April was long gone when this was recorded, guess Ubiquiti missed the memo. Would have preferred to see PoE++ in conjunction with port speeds that can actually support WiFi 7's real world bandwidth. Time for Ubiquiti to start getting ahead of the curve for a change. This is almost a step backwards. Just as the U7 Pro is nowhere near the caliber of a "Pro" AP. Just called it the "Pro" to charge more money. Wasting time and resources currently on this switch is comical.
And ... in few weeks - the 8 port version (4 x 2.5 + 4 x 1Gb) ... I'll wait for that one :)
Yup, me too!
I hope that's the case! That's exactly what I would want, however, I'd be willing to bet it would still be pricey.
Needs at least 8 2.5gbe ports and should have the rack mount bracket included
Is it silent (under load), or is it like their 24 port hovercraft effect switches?
Would be handy to know about sound levels / cooling fans
Fanless
@@sitte24 That makes it more interesting as I run the network at a film studio complex.....silence is needed :-)
@@diceman199That’s why they went with a huge external power brick, I presume.
@@williamp6800 That was probably mainly about the box size. I can see a lab use for it where I am to test VLAN's as they are set up.
Good possibility of me ending up with one of these at some point.
They should have kept the USW white aesthetic. It's a bit too non-discrete especially given the massive power brick and the short cable.
I would have preferred, at the cost of extra depth, to have the RJ45s sockets in two rows to enable better use of rack space.
How would that enable better use of rack space?
People have been clamouring for companies to stop putting the ports in two rows and use a single line instead. That way ports line up better with patch panels.
as soon as you said over 400+, done, this is out of most consumers price range
So many people? Amazeballz.
I just wish that they would finally release a UniFi desktop/rack switch with 4x SFP+ and 8-12 10G RJ45 (half of those being PoE+ or ++).
Indeed, I have to use a Mikrotik with the 4xSFP+ ports for my home network to interconnect with my unifi network.
@@shmayazuggot8558you don’t “have to.” I think aggregation switch is actually one of their better products. No mixing and patching different types of ports. Just eight SFP+ ports. That’s it.
I’m sure more expensive than the Microtik switch you bought, but everything Unifi is.
For as clever as the wall mount adapter is, that power plug solution seems a big clunky.
I’m waiting for a switch that is part sfp+ and part RJ45 10g. Part of my network is sfp+ and the other is RJ45 10gb and I want way to put them together without having to use an adapter that gets so hot that I can could dinner on. How about a 10gb flex switch with an sfp+ connection on it instead a a 1gb connection?
well would only need 1 adapter to hook the sfp+ up with their 10g rj45 one... just don't lick the adapter but 1 isn't an issue at all
Etherlighting is such a cool and useful feature
Meoww. I like it ! Regarding the rackmount where you put the power block, can you just have the face plate ? The depth of the box is huge !
Decent specs but I'm not a fan of that form factor. It's like a hybrid trying to be out on the desk/wall and also the rack. A typical hybrid where it doesn't do either job very well. I guess for $399 one can't complain too much.
Also strange to have a PRO machine without DC Power Backup possibility, especially when POE++ devices usually are important. Rack mounting is definitely secondary on this guy.
The fact that it is an optionally rack mountable and within a PRO line but without a DC power backup doesn't make any sense for me
I cringed when I saw the size of that brick, but that rack kit is pretty genius. Thoughtful design.
I just don't know which market UI is targeting with all these new products.
But can it be managed within a IPv6-ony network?
IMHO very reasonable price if you need PoE++ and more than 8 ports.
I wish all 16 ports were 2.5 Gbe. I understand power constraints they can’t all be PoE++, that’s ok, but 2.5 should be every port. If it was I would really like to get this switch. I don’t have enough ports for 24 at home but 16 is perfect with SFP’s to my vm box that runs other stuff.