Sterling VIRTUOSO vs Besson SOVEREIGN vs Jupiter XO
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- Euphonium comparison between Sterling Virtuoso, Besson Sovereign and Jupiter Xo. Some playing comparisons for educational purposes.
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They all sound and work good, but i like besson the best
The Bessie has the nice intontt
Sterling has a most warm and dark sound.
I do believe that as well!
+Lisa L I think NEO is really good, if I get my hands on one I'll review it as well :) Thanks for suggestion Lisa!
Why is it that the bottom of the smaller tubes has a black coating on them? I'm not sure what that is. And, also, could you explain the hand grip thingy you have? It looks nice.
The black tubes is only a black lacquer. Normally it's supposed to be gold plating but I though black would look pretty cool so they made that for me, no other particular reason for that. As for the strap, it helps me to hold euphonium upright a little longer before my left forearm and shoulder gets tired, since there is a little bit more weight distributed on that hand. Hope that answers the question my friend!
Matonizz I actually like that idea of black lacquer, and you did answer my questions well^^ I play the tuba and I know where I pull my tubes out, I'm usually touching the same area where the black lacquer is...so it could help visually prevent the smudging, finger prints, and/or corrosion vs having it all just gold lacquer. I will look into that! Thanks a lot!
For anyone interested, I tested some Adams E3 with heavy valve caps before Christmas at the factory in Holland. While testing I also had a Sterling Virtuoso and my own Besson Prestige... Results! Adams for me... With the addition of the heavy caps the difference was pretty huge, every note was full and warm, and there was essentially no need for a trigger (even though I would have one anyway for ensemble purposes). They will also build you an instrument to your specs (hand position, lead pipe position, the sound you want to create) which no other company will do to my knowledge. Currently, I play on a Besson so I am not endorsing Adams, and I am going to play some Sterlings tomorrow, so no favoritism for sales purposes! Have a go, it may surprise you!
Interesting! Thanks for sharing your experience Gary! I haven't tried the new E3 so I'm pretty curious to see what adjustments they have made if I have an opportunity to test one. One of the guys at River City I play with is an artist with Adams E3 so I had the chance to test it quite a bit. It had an amazing response time and was really good with piano but I had some issues in a brass band set up though. It wouldn't project all that well when you REALLY needed to bump it up in volume and as soon as I switched to either Sterling or Besson it would not be an issue. However, it is a really good instrument, just a little bit too light for large ensembles in my opinion, at least the older model. Have you ever had a chance to use it in a brass band yourself? That would be interesting to hear from you. Are you planning to come to any ITEA conferences this year by any chance? It would be cool to do a collab video if that's something that would interest you. I'm pretty sure people would like to hear your opinion on various stuff. Thanks a lot for the feedback, people will find it really useful!
Yes, it was a little sensitive to brightness for sure when I gave it a lot of power, but then the heavy valve caps were added it became a very different animal, it could take just as much if not more than the Besson and the Sterling. Everything is customisable, they can add and subtract weight to many different parts of the instrument to help with different tone colours and to suit each different player. Very clever stuff!
Sounds pretty cool! If they are in any of the upcoming ITEA events I'll try to check it out and see what's up. Just out of curiosity, do you have any preference when it comes to Virtuoso vs Prestige? I find them pretty damn similar. If you're planning to stick with E3 it would be really cool to see what you have to say after good few month of playing it.
Explain what a trigger is on a euphonium.
please stop calling the 4th valve a "trigger."
The Sovereign and Sterling sound very centered, though it sounds like the sterling projects a bit better
100% the Sterling sound wise. Which I never expected.
Sterling definitely. I am a young musician and I am training my ears in all sorts of ways and stuff like this really helps! You have wonderful tone and when I hear you play I actually feel better about myself and I feel like being a good person.
Great information. Good to know someone else feels the same way about these horns as I do. Thanks for making this video!
Thanks Alejandro!
I liked the Sterling the best but all sounded great. Thanks for posting this.
Have you tried the Willson euphonium from Switzerland? I used one in the Joliet American legion band before I retired several years ago.before I stopped playing and I was very impressed with it. It had a very rich, powerful, and smooth sound. I used a Shilke 60 mouthpiece since I was primarily a BBflat tuba player who switched to euphonium when we needed one.
The only thing difference I could REALLY hear was the tuning/intonation in the high register :-)
And I had problems with valve guides as well, that's why I love the metal valve guides in my '79 B&H Sovereign, they don't wear or break and I have had next to no problems with them.
the brass valve guides do wear out!
As I am looking into purchasing a sterling, I found this video quite helpful. Thank you for the video!
Sure my friend! Make sure to get the discount on the instrument from my channel ;) will save you some money!
Can you maybe elaborate more on your Adams experience?
Again, great euphoniums. They make lighter euphs so the instruments have different strengths in comparison to heavier euphoniums. Amazing response time, very accurate, very centered, very sensitive, however, not suitable to play in big orchestras or bands in my opinion. Very limited with projection and volume before sound gets distorted our out of tune. Similar to Jupiter XO. If you are purely focused on solo playing with piano or jazz adams is the way to go in my opinion. I played in a band with the guy who played with Adams and it worked poorly though. Just like any other euph, has it's strengths as well as weakness. If a get a hold of one might make a video.
The sterling is the least focused of the three. Not a great deal to choice between the Jupiter and Besson, in terms of sound.
I’ve just ordered an Adams E2, after 14 Bessons / Boosey & Hawkes. Can’t wait to get it.
Where do you get the black valve caps and black tuning slides
I agree about the Jupiter. They are better than what they used to be so they are getting there. I like the bessen
Really as usual, enjoyed the video! What about a mouthpiece "counter argument" video? Personal taste, price, and whatnot?
Thanks for watching buddy! Will do a comparison in near future! Regards!
Sterling euphonium is my favourite
Wow amazing 👌 I love Besson
It depends on the performer!
Every instrument is great
Do you think you could consider playing some high school all state etudes(preferably Texas :D) and giving a video lesson?
What etudes do you exactly have in mind? Do you want me to explain how to learn them or just hear me play them? Thanks for watching buddy!
The all-state audition edits for Texas are out of the Voxman select studies for baritone book on pages 14(Ab major), 12(F major), and 22(A minor) in the treble clef copy of the book, and honestly it would be great if you could do some of both playing through them and explaining what you would do in the process of preparing the pieces.
www.tmea.org/divisions-regions/band/audition-material/etudes this is also a link to where you can find more information on the specific pieces
Also thanks for the great content :)
awesome intro
Hopefully you'll still see this, I now play on a Besson 700 instrument which I got when I was 11. It was a great instrument back then because it plays lighter and tunes okay for a beginner. Now I'm 20 years old and I kind of feel like I've outgrown my instrument. It's not compenstated and whenever I play low notes with my 4th valve it doesn't tune right. I've lately been working on Harlequin by Sparke but the instrument is not helping me at all. I'd like to buy a heavier euphonium that's conpensated and I've been looking at a besson prestige, since I have a thing for besson (I've played on besson instruments for about 13 years now) but I'm willing to look for other options! So you have any advise to give me?
Hello Anouk, send me an email to euphonium.legends@gmail.com and I'll help you figure this one out my friend.
Best,
A
sterling is the best on my feeling.
how about you?
I like it as well, Jupiter was nice as well though :)
2:44 that's a York Eminence euphonium and the next one definitely isn't a Sovereign euphonium, third pic is the XO though, you trying to see if we are paying attention? :D
It's not a York it's a Sterling with custom black slides etc. so it looks like a York.
I have a Yamaha YEP842S. I have owned it since the early 2000’s. At least since they first came out with it. It is a fantastic horn. It plays beautifully with the right mouthpiece. Recently Yamaha has come out with the YEP842TS which does have a trigger. I haven’t had the chance to play one yet. I assume it is identical to my horn except for the addition of the trigger. Perhaps one day, you’ll have the opportunity to demo one and give your review. I have been tempted to buy one as well, but I did want to wait until I could play it. How important is a trigger and will it give me any kind of serious advantage in playing? Having never played with a trigger, I might not miss it.....But playing with one might switch a light bulb on in my mind to all the possibilities. Regardless, I did like the left hand strap on the Sterling Euphonium. I wish I had one on mine.
I like Besson better because it has a much richer, rounder tone in my opinion.
I have been playing the euphonium for a year and a half now. I am 15 years old and I plan to get a new instrument.i don't have a budget rate, just want to get a good instrument. Seniors at my school band tell me to just get a lesson but I need other opinions.And also how do u make your tone warm and dark, Martonizz?
Why do you prefer compensating euphoniums instead of the traditional 4 valve layout?
I was planning on buying a Wessex Euphonium (for its affordable cost) but is it worth the risk? what do you think?
Have never heard about it. What's the price for it?
I tried one here recently, they're not bad. For sure better than anything else in its price range, and I am petty sure it is the only compensating horn under $2000.
AKCEuph The best compensating euph under 2000 I've tried was JP274 so far. I used it in my last video. You should check it out. I've got one from the company to test and give them feedback on, if you want, shot me your email and I'll send you a vid where I tested it with piano. Anyways, just my opinion, don't know Wessex enough to give a worthy feedback unfortunately
For sure! I have students constantly asking me for affordable options so the more I know about the better. If you get the chance to check out those Wessex though, I would be interested to know your opinion. Thanks for the suggestion though!
Shoot me and email at euphonium.legends@gmail.com and I'll dropbox you the vid so you can hear what's up. If I get a hold of Wessex will definitely let you know what I think :)
I use sovering. The test is make me my lover for BESSON sovering
era pra ter uma legenda pra pessoas como eu que não falam e nem entendem o inglês 🙄
Isso se chama preguiça! Vc estuda inglês na escola não?? Eu sou brasileiro e estou entendendo! Vc vai passar a vida toda sendo “monolíngue”??
Are you familiar with stile instruments?
Yeah, I have a Besson 2052 and I love the tone but I have had some valve issues.
I used 2052 for a long time as well. Good instruments! Agree on valves big time :D
I keep valve guides handy during concerts and performances ;D
***** Used to do same thing :D Hilarious :D Check this video:
czcams.com/video/_fkZv7dsjJE/video.html
I had to take Jupiter XO euph from one of the band members when my Besson valve jammed in a big theatre concert :D you can see my euph placed on floor by the conductor :D By the way, Jupiter sounded really awesome
Matonizz Haha that's great! It sounded amazing. I like the pedals and the tone of the Besson at higher dynamic levels. I play in a high school band and I find it hard to blend in with the other euphoniums (Yamaha YEP321) because the huge tone difference between the Besson and Yamahas. I do wish I would have tried a few euphoniums before buying one but no stores near me have euphoniums on show. I have adapted to the very different playing style the Besson requires and I'm really starting to love it! I love your channel BTW, I watch a lot while I'm practicing. I may put up some videos of me playing soon :)
Awesome bro! Definitely do that! That's the thing with both Besson and Sterling. No other euph matches the sound of those two, at least from what I've tried so far. However heavier euphs are much harder to play than let's say Jupiter, Adams or Yamaha. The question is which qualities do you prefer. Thanks for watching and support dude! Let me know if you need any help with anything!
hey what happened to the Yamaha neo
What about Thomann EP 906 GP Superior?
Do you do track and field?
Hi Matonizz...first of all...a I love your youtube Chanel...I'm playing with a Yamaha Yep621, and I'm thinking to change this for a Sterling 347 ST...What's your opinion? Is it a good idea?. I need your Master opinion. Thanks a lot.
Hey buddy, send me the reasons you want to change your yamaha for and I'll be able to give you a better comparison and answer for that. My email is euphonium.legends@gmail.com
@@Matonizz The first reason it's the noise of the machinery, when i play. And the second reason is win some money in the change.;).... The quality of sound, very important question, but it depends of my execution...thanks a lot. And is it a good idea compare this two euphoniums?.
@@MrCesarsolidable The sound of JP364 is rich and warm but it will not be as centered and easy playing as your horn. It's give and take, depending on what you are looking for. Good sound and projection - go with 374, nice centering and accuracy - go with yamaha. Hope that helps my friend :)
@@Matonizz thanks a lot, have a good day.
Do you play any other instruments?
I like the besson and jupiter more. I don’t really like the sterling’s sound, it sounded very closed.
Out of curiosity, could you possibly play the TMEA euphonium etudes?
I possibly could, I don't have the music for it though, I'll try to get it or if you want to feel free to send me what you want me to play and do vid on ;) Thanks for watching my friend!
I currently play on a Yamaha 642s and I wanted to know your opinion on it compared with others
Hey buddy, only had a very few chances to try in my life, my opinion would not be very useful I guess, I know it's a popular instrument and a lot of people say it's pretty good. Also, it's a well know bread which usually means a certain level of quality. If I get my hands on one I will review it though! Thanks for watching buddy and sorry If I can't be more helpful on this one!
what model is your virtuoso? i couldn't find one with what appears to be black slides and valves anywhere online
It's custom made buddy, they normally only do black ornaments upon request. Hope that helps brother
can you do a comparison video between the John packer 374 sterling with trigger and a sterling
I will do a video on JP274 soon but that's an interesting idea :)
Thanks
What you think about euph by Jupiter?
I think Jupiter XO is really good! Very easy to play, very technically sound. The only downside I could think of from my experience with it is that it is harder to maintain quality tone at a SUPER loud dynamics. Type of dynamics you would only probably use in brass band or symphony orchestra. Apart from that, I like it :)
If I want to play solo.You think about Jupiter?
I think it's good for a solo:
czcams.com/video/pVE2aaCuTE0/video.html
This concert I used Jupiter XO, you can check it yourself. It's a bit quiet so use headphones ;)
Thank you very much.
Sure buddy!
Could you please link the website where you purchased the Sterling euphonium, and what model it is? Or what model is the best in your opinion?
I recommend dfmusicinc.com. If you ever have any questions, feel free to shoot me an email and I help you out as well as maybe get a nice discount buddy. Hope that helps!
Thank you and yes it does.
I am playing a 2052 clone marketed by the TubaExchange. I was wondering if you have ever tested one of these? Rob in NY
Hey Rob, unfortunately I've never tried it. How are you liking it?
What is the best way to buy a compensating euphonium for college, I need to own one!
Hey buddy, send me and email to euphonium.legends@gmail.com and I'll throw you some options if you'd like
what song is it ? the song you played in this vid?
czcams.com/video/r8V-20_MK3E/video.html
Hi its that besson the 967
Yep
Hey man. Love your videos. Have you played a Willson euphonium? If so, how do you find these horns compare? Thanks!
Thanks for support buddy! I haven't in like probably 10years or so :D so I don't think I qualify to give my opinion apart from what I've heard from other players. Vast majority claim that it is a very good instrument, brighter sound than Sterling or Besson and that it works well in military bands where you have to play in wind/reed based environment. It is a middle ground euph in terms of weight and thickness so if that's what you are looking, Wilson is probably the choice. I haven't heard anyone ever complain that it is crap, even Steve Mead who is like a Besson dictator (just kidding) :D If I ever get a chance to do some more playing on it I will make sure to review it ;) Thanks for watching my friend!
"VALVE GUIDE WORE OFF" 3/4+ hours a day practice (not performance) and maybe 1-2 days off a week?
3 is best
Have you ever played the Yamaha Neo? If so, how do you feel about it?
Yes I have, it was in 2013 so it's hard to tell where are they at now with this model. But back then, I was really impressed. Probably the best euph I tested in ITEC in Bloomington Indiana
+Matonizz I want to purchase a euphonium. I am currently in highschool and I have been playing euphonium for almost a year now. (I played trombone from 6th grade-10th grade first semester) I have been playing the Besson Sovereign BE967 which is a school owned instrument. I've played the Yamaha Neo a few times. I can't decide which instrument I want to invest in. Either the Besson Prestige, the Yamaha Neo, or the Adams Custom. Could you give any recommendations?
Are you planning to pursue music as a career? What are your goals as a player? Play brassband? Solo? Military Band?
+Matonizz +Matonizz I plan on being a soloist or even play in a symphony band.
If you plan to do most of your playing as a soloist I wouldn't mind either Adams or Yamaha, however they do not work well in big ensembles in my opinion. They play extremely easy but as soon as you need to pump some serious air through, that's when you realize the difference in terms of sound potential. Euphs like Besson and Sterling can be hard to play but if you have a skillset, I believe you can get a bit more out of them. One thing I can tell you, either one you buy, you will not be disappointed.
should i get a jupiter xo euphonium?
Depends on what you are looking for, but it is definitely a great instrument!
Sterling
Jupiter xo
You play one yourself buddy?
Same :D
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I'm gunna be uploading a video very soon on my mr Euphonium channel ok buddy
I think ill stick with my broken down euphonium from india
Jupiter for life
i have jupiter one 😀
First blind example: #1 was out of tune and thin sounding. #2 was fat and in tune. # 3 was fat, but had pitch problems. SECOND BLIND: #1, #2, and #3 all sounded good, but #3 had some pitch problems. My pick was the XO every time. I have heard some folks talk about the projection issue on all XO instruments, but I found they are more live sounding to you when you play, and your ear can be fooled. I have no issues playing at any volume with XO instruments. I felt the Stirling was the least of all in all categories.
Such little difference in sound it is more the player than anything else
Agree on that, feels different when you play, outcome often similar though :D
Besson prestige is better Besson.
Its a 4th valve....Please don't call it a "trigger." its not a French horn. It insults me to hear it called a "trigger." I have 20 years on euphonium and I've never heard the word trigger and euphoniums together. just stop please. if this is some new thing lets just stop it now, ok? 4 valves....not three valves and a trigger. I'm sorry to be... however you may take this...but a euphonium has no "trigger." Just lets not do that...ok? We're better than that.
So if I call trigger a 4th valve what do I call the fourth valve then buddy? :D
brian rhoads Looks like you're triggered... over triggers.
Lmao
Made me laugh :D
LOL, he's talking about the trigger that adjusts the main tuning slide, not the 4th valve. It's a common accessory for the more pro-line euphoniums for helping with intonation.